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(DIR) Post #AFjeJtIzS90qVvLfHs by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T14:58:04.052358Z
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Reminder almost all human methods of power production revolve around boiling water. Higher elevations make boiling water much easier. It might be a good idea to slap nuclear power plants on top of mountains so that you don’t need as much heat to make them function and thus they’re less likely to melt down. This may also be a terrible idea, idk i’m not a geologist.
(DIR) Post #AFjeVeNol727i0DJWS by Nazz@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:00:12.881577Z
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@SpaceElf wHaT iF tHeReS aN aVaLaNChE aNd tHe nUkEs ALL fALL oUt :win98question: :win98question:
(DIR) Post #AFjeZBO4VUMWwD16p6 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:00:51.333090Z
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@SpaceElf Human power comes from boiling water or spinning a turbine. So mountain top water boiling to spin a turbine then use cooling water in a gravity fed water wheel to double output. Nuclear AND hydroelectric.
(DIR) Post #AFjefxmNV1MUlDcS1I by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:02:04.721842Z
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@Crankenstein You’d only be able to get most of the power you spent pumping water up out of the process which might not be worthwhile depending on how much it cost. however, people on the down flow of the reactor’s primary outlet might be able to get a lot of use out of this via water wheels. …Which could go really badly, hypothetically so idk.
(DIR) Post #AFjejs8kPL30QfwjU8 by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:02:42.580622Z
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@Nazz I was more thinking about earthquakes causing the mountain tops to fracture or something, upsetting the foundations and possibly resulting in a leakIt’s not like mudslides or something would be a significant issue, because you just don’t deforest and then they don’t happen..
(DIR) Post #AFjf1LRIj8O8DpxLGK by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:05:56.417535Z
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@SpaceElf Obviously it would be a closed loop. Heavywater is a terrible thing to put into an ecosystem, especially contaminated heavywater. One could make a focused solar array to boiled the contaminated water to fill a high tower of sorts to gravity feed a wheel system.
(DIR) Post #AFjf8exuWodao9hHU0 by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:07:13.246868Z
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@Crankenstein Given the ease of boiling water at high elevations I’m not sure you’d need the heavy water so much.
(DIR) Post #AFjfDQTfowKRK5pJRo by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:08:07.534262Z
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@SpaceElf This but add a runoff to water wheel system before/after the reservoir
(DIR) Post #AFjfFtCxyKsH0aBd9E by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:08:34.366777Z
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@SpaceElf I think heavywater is more for stability of temperatures.
(DIR) Post #AFjfK11SrNmiP2m3lI by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:09:19.158639Z
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@Crankenstein IDK. TBH I much prefer power methods that use mirror arrays to boil water, generally. You need very small amounts of silver and some glass. EZPZ.
(DIR) Post #AFjfMztjUwWXmdZztY by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:09:51.460902Z
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@SpaceElf I say why not have a mishmash of all?
(DIR) Post #AFjfQx7hkwH6Kv07Bg by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:10:34.416938Z
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@Crankenstein Economies of scale are nice and I think a world running on sunlight and mirrors sounds romantic.
(DIR) Post #AFjfVR5AJLQUPXx0pE by Umlauts@poa.st
2022-01-23T15:11:22.730298Z
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>This may also be a terrible idea, idk i’m not a geologist.Just consider the problems hauling building materials up a mountain for something as large as a nuclear power plant and the logistical issues that causes and then you have to get the power generated from the power plant to the rest of the power grid from a place that's probably fairly isolated.Not gonna be worth it.
(DIR) Post #AFjfeU2kffpeCW8VRw by SpaceElf@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:13:01.095496Z
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@Umlauts Railways my dude. England was full of little railways made in the industrial revolution whose purpose was to just get stuff to dinky little country towns. Just seems like you’d save so much on mining, refining, and storage if you’re saving like, 10 degrees off how much you need to heat the water. But many people know better than me so don’t take my position too seriously. I like mirrored arrays more, anyway.
(DIR) Post #AFjgSxh0i4ESdU2L7A by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T15:22:08.108092Z
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@Crankenstein @SpaceElf I hope you guys are joking
(DIR) Post #AFjgWAsE9yRmNtobj6 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:22:43.356909Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf If you know better please explain. I would legitimately like to know more.
(DIR) Post #AFjheLXmTKNbkSiDQW by Umlauts@poa.st
2022-01-23T15:35:24.271141Z
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>But many people know better than me so don’t take my position too seriously. I know fam, I just have logistics autism because I'm surrounded by too many people who take modern comforts for granted.>I like mirrored arrays more, anyway.Only really seems practical for sunny areas with a lot of flat ground tbh.
(DIR) Post #AFjiP2qfnYeNNOogIi by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T15:43:50.204478Z
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Well. Firstly, the efficiency of a steam cycle would be determined by the difference between the inlet and outlet temperature of the turbine. Plants actually produce slightly more power in the winter when the heat sink (river, ocean, lake) is cooler. Atmospheric pressure doesn't have anything to do with that because those loops are sealed. The condensing action of the steam actually causes a vacuum and is very important to running a plant efficiently.The vast majority of reactors are also light water reactors, rather than heavy water reactors. The function of water--other than acting as a coolant--is that it is a moderator, meaning that (because of its high hydrogen content) it slows neutrons from "fast" energies to "thermal" energies where they are much more likely to cause fission. Heavy water can be used, and its major advantage is that it has much lower absorption of neutrons (because the hydrogen atoms already have an extra neutron). These types of reactors usually use natural uranium instead of enriched uranium.
(DIR) Post #AFjiwEFGRlYQHL8riK by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:49:50.413477Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Very informative. So from that I gather having a secondary cooling system for a gravity fed water wheel is not practical? A closed loop to a closed reservoir I mean.
(DIR) Post #AFjizvGawzgcZmWf56 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:50:30.511203Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Assuming the power plant to be on a mountain, that is.
(DIR) Post #AFjj7U5Tt0T4b7vuN6 by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T15:51:51.999872Z
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@Crankenstein @SpaceElf Are you talking about having the cooling reservoir lower than the turbine?
(DIR) Post #AFjjAe7j1oisaqUT56 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:52:26.639378Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Nossir. Give me a sec to make a shitty diagram.
(DIR) Post #AFjjYwndF95DSvgCUC by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:56:50.071205Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf MARVEL AT MY ARTISTIC MASTERY!
(DIR) Post #AFjjgu53EiwtLicZaC by Homegriffon@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:58:16.567321Z
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@Crankenstein @FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf dude just use the lava if youre cutting the top off anywayez
(DIR) Post #AFjjiDuazPJB92MNfc by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T15:58:25.360947Z
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I think I get your point here, but what's being used to cool the condenser? You'd have to pump water uphill through the shell side of the heat exchanger
(DIR) Post #AFjjig8252h4eorVVA by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:58:35.807291Z
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@Homegriffon @FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Not everywhere as lava.
(DIR) Post #AFjjm4HsiNLmSB5L0a by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:59:12.585743Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf I figure internal coils like in an alcohol still or something. Cool that way.
(DIR) Post #AFjjoERlueskXek81o by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T15:59:35.744375Z
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@BlinkRape @FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Those only work when the sun is out then have to re-heat at dawn.
(DIR) Post #AFjjzRqyPMzvJ4sZIe by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:01:37.722931Z
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Well considering you get about 33% efficency at about 3500 MWt, you would need to remove about 2345 MWt using this condenser. Not gonna work with air cooling.
(DIR) Post #AFjk9KndUNYuKF23hg by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T16:03:24.734630Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf What if it were in a "smoke stack" structure like on conventional reactors? Don't they work on air cooling?
(DIR) Post #AFjkYToF7zNVVaJ3aq by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:07:57.026060Z
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You are having a misconception. The condensate itself is not directly cooled. It's physically separate from the ultimate heats sink water. See the diagram for a PWR. The steam from the cooling tower (if present) is coming from that rightmost loop.
(DIR) Post #AFjkfDWI5fO10x7ce0 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T16:09:10.542626Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @SpaceElf Ah! I see now. Thank you sir!
(DIR) Post #AFjm14qx5s4ISZm29Q by OF29@baraag.net
2022-01-23T16:24:15Z
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@SpaceElf >When you go into a thread about energy production and expect a hellthread but instead get educated on the inner workings of the fission process
(DIR) Post #AFjoKTQS9okS54kujA by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:50:14.865349Z
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What if a plane hits it?
(DIR) Post #AFjoOBhQ0OysGISi6S by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-01-23T16:50:54.702541Z
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@SpaceElf logistics.It's easier to build things on flat ground regardless for a number of reasons.
(DIR) Post #AFjoRMdJoHkt2d3iYy by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-01-23T16:51:29.344719Z
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@SpaceElf @Nazz How about things just taking longer to get there, it not having as wide a base, higher construction cost, etc. Whole lot of problems building on a mountain.
(DIR) Post #AFjoZOBttzj6Bo3qy0 by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:52:56.127121Z
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Even if it wasn't, the thermodynamics doesn't work
(DIR) Post #AFjod5UFNxTBL1PErA by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:53:36.750264Z
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What if the piss escapes the piss drawer?
(DIR) Post #AFjoe3TyK6ttPXjrl2 by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T16:53:47.272596Z
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What if mom finds the piss drawer?
(DIR) Post #AFjp34VhderVq3TeHw by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-01-23T16:58:18.200001Z
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@Crankenstein @SpaceElf You know, it doesn't *have* to come from boiling water. Photovoltaics do exist, generators do exist. There are lots of ways to transfer energy, you guys just aren't that read up on them. In the future, the idea unironically is to get most of everything you need energy-wise from the sun, because that's the biggest source of energy in the solar system. From there it'll mostly be about distributing that energy. On land solar panels don't make sense necessarily, but in space they make perfect sense because they never turn off and you can just have a constant source of energy forever or as long as the sun burns. It's a much more efficient way of getting energy, especially because things like silicon aren't rare in the solar system, and a few asteroid could probably provide all you need for electricity at that scale.Ways of converting power would probably be microwaves if you're curious. Nuclear power still has it's uses in this scenario, but the bulk of it would ideally come from the sun.
(DIR) Post #AFjpEU9Af9WIXCNeSm by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:00:22.115505Z
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@Bunny @SpaceElf I agree but solar is limited. How will I use solar to power my underground harem bunker after the megavolcano blocks the sun for 10 years?
(DIR) Post #AFjpOBqBa020ee7zRw by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-01-23T17:02:06.972326Z
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@SpaceElf @Nazz If something happens and a road gets blocked, its much harder to reach. You don't want a few points of failure, because that's been the cause of pretty much every nuclear disaster in history. Even the Japanese, who are safe and very conscious about their construction, got knocked out by an earthquake/tsunami combination. Sometimes two bad things happen at once, and you don't want to have to climb a mountain for if something goes wrong. Even something like the containment building they put on Chernobyl would be much, much more difficult on a mountain.
(DIR) Post #AFjpPQsJAUTtZWiGwq by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:02:20.414511Z
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Crank, I know you're trolling, but could you please stop. It is triggering my autism.
(DIR) Post #AFjpWADfUWLDwWuidU by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:03:33.898575Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Bunny @SpaceElf The premise is a joke but the issue it raises is valid. To have an ironclad energy grid you would need something that is contained, sustainable, and nearly bulletproof.
(DIR) Post #AFjprcSBiEDbahw5uy by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:07:26.174989Z
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Well, if we're going to be serious for a second, I'm trying to figure out what @Bunny means about microwaves.But basically, you have two ways of making electricity: turning a generator or direct energy conversion, like nuclear direct energy conversion or PV. Basically, the second way has terrible energy density.
(DIR) Post #AFjq1DXPCgvlDBxA9o by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:09:10.648448Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Bunny @SpaceElf I think there is no "one way" and all energy grids should have multiple sources. Solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal, nuclear, even coal and fossil but to lesser extents.
(DIR) Post #AFjrvmsV62dkzLMJ72 by shitpisscum@shitpisscum.mooo.com
2022-01-23T17:30:33.042041Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Nazz @SpaceElf :willthiswork:
(DIR) Post #AFjsrWf9Xh8XUeeCKu by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:41:01.959100Z
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I wish we could have an actual serious conversation
(DIR) Post #AFjtEwvg3B6jcNXtgG by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:45:16.447648Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Bunny @SpaceElf You can have one and still make jokes. I do it all the time!
(DIR) Post #AFjtYXTgO7e8TOnCEK by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:48:48.412899Z
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I noticed that
(DIR) Post #AFjtvgecR82varwh0K by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:52:59.815924Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Bunny @SpaceElf You shouldn't be so up tight. Humor done right isn't a lack of intelligence. It's a waste there of.
(DIR) Post #AFju3FEcGUuys2O35U by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:54:21.398993Z
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I agreeSometimes it becomes too hard to tell what is humor and what is legitimate insanity though
(DIR) Post #AFju6Sw5mSwAEVG4yu by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:54:51.550194Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES Fair point.
(DIR) Post #AFju76Y2VJSr5UJR2m by FUCKINGWHOCARES@5dollah.click
2022-01-23T17:55:03.783483Z
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I mean posting here is a waste anyways
(DIR) Post #AFju9rnXngTKD5sjS4 by Crankenstein@kiwifarms.cc
2022-01-23T17:55:33.619261Z
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@FUCKINGWHOCARES @Bunny @SpaceElf True but we all need an off valve.