Post AFExpFHraUkBM1tebI by aujawindar@snabelen.no
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(DIR) Post #AF8ns6Rzk8qmQGNXpQ by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:20:43Z
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We need to remove inches* from measuring tapes, and have metric only. 50% of the time the metric scale is on the wrong side of the tape.* For viewers in the UK only.#UK #DIY
(DIR) Post #AF8nywv3Zw1wtBEjzc by rebello@tilde.zone
2022-01-05T20:21:59Z
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@fitheach this.
(DIR) Post #AF8oByK7fWaP0cAebQ by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:24:17Z
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@dmoonfire Well, indeed. However, not my place to say so. 😃
(DIR) Post #AF8oD6FxeyqltylJpo by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2022-01-05T20:24:33Z
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@fitheach I am surprised that metric only tapes aren't widely sold - irrespective of Brexit, building materials have been sold in metric for the bulk of my lifetime and every modern building plan and DIY guides I have seen use metric...
(DIR) Post #AF8oba5qNYj5OBhfoe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:28:59Z
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@vfrmedia I know, I know. I've never used imperial measurementts. I was schooled using metric, and that is the system I've always used.I've been doing a lot of DIY recently, and this issue has really hit home. It isn't always possible to turn the tape around to get the metric side closest to the thing being measured. Grrr!
(DIR) Post #AF8ouc2nLlQGwRLttA by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2022-01-05T20:32:24Z
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@fitheach metric only tape measures are at least sold by mail order (unfortunately I've never seen one in a DIY store..)https://www.thetapestore.co.uk/tapes-rules/tape-measures/measurement/metric-only-tape-measures
(DIR) Post #AF8oygv5AGa7DmgoUa by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:33:08Z
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@dmoonfire What are your goals for age 128?Didn't NASA once have an issue due to one team using imperial and another using metric?@rebello
(DIR) Post #AF8pC2122djIPipk5A by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:35:34Z
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@vfrmedia Thanks!I'm going to get one of those Stanley tape measures.
(DIR) Post #AF8qOpSg824JCGQnS4 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-05T20:49:04Z
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@dmoonfire Scrapping DST is a good one, everyone should do that.Just reaching 128 years would bemy goal. 😉 @rebello
(DIR) Post #AF8ru73Urgg2h78MDo by Bobo_PK@chaos.social
2022-01-05T21:05:55Z
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@fitheach i can send you one from Germany. cm only ;-)
(DIR) Post #AF8rvvc6NOuFmsBZi4 by daniel_bohrer@chaos.social
2022-01-05T21:06:17Z
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@fitheach no, please for viewers all around the world too!
(DIR) Post #AF8sOhuCQDP7fcNDbE by gairsty@fosstodon.org
2022-01-05T21:11:26Z
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@fitheach I picked up a tape measure on the continent, and it's great! The metric is always on the right side.
(DIR) Post #AF8tZ7on28xMt4NIXI by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-01-05T21:24:32Z
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@fitheach we have inches on those things in Sweden too, ca 130 years after the introduction of the metric system, so don't hold your breath.
(DIR) Post #AF8vVKnP2bHzt22vbs by aujawindar@snabelen.no
2022-01-05T21:46:16Z
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@fitheach Tastes differ. I only buy measures with inches in addition to metric. Norway has had metric since forever, but plumbers and builders still colloquially measure dimensions in inches.
(DIR) Post #AF988TB3rsd4UwFzfs by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-06T00:07:48Z
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@fitheach Canada too :-(
(DIR) Post #AF98eGBDjAtFSCUS48 by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-06T00:13:33Z
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@fitheach But you need to careful there too.Does the tape with side by side metric (what you want) also read imperial in a stupid way?The tape may say 123 inches - is that what you want? Or 10 foot x inches?@vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #AFA7jY3ytRdJbKWfAG by tkenben@mstdn.io
2022-01-06T11:38:01Z
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@fitheach I thought it was the UK that held on to the english units the longest, like lb-force, 32 ft/s/s and whatnot. Or was my thermo prof really that old school? He went to Oxford, but he was Swiss. Loved his steam engines.
(DIR) Post #AFEsBDY884o6bwbCxk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:36:44Z
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@Bobo_PK Thanks for the offer. 😃 I've already ordered a "metric only" tape from an online seller. I also have a metric "Zollstock", although that isn't always useful in every situation.
(DIR) Post #AFEsIX5nrnuJFYpzqC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:38:37Z
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@daniel_bohrer Indeed. Although I feel we should get things sorted at "home" first before criticising others.
(DIR) Post #AFEsQrWZmlvAw1KfD6 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:40:08Z
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@gairsty I've never seen a metric only tape in the shops. However, I have now ordered one from an online source.
(DIR) Post #AFEsUD3MCO8eZdGGXo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:40:44Z
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@bkhl How did that come about?
(DIR) Post #AFEsZOZimtl9kxs93Y by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:41:40Z
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@aujawindar Why? It doesn't seem easier to me.
(DIR) Post #AFEsenyRmbaZyf17bc by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:42:38Z
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@edavies Thanks. I vaguely remembered the story, not the details.@dmoonfire @rebello
(DIR) Post #AFEsmvP62imPKyM0Tg by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:44:07Z
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@edavies have you got a cheap source for corrugated? It no longer seems to be the cheap option it used to be.@vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #AFEssQaZWbZjVJLUCu by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:45:06Z
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@gemlog Do people use imperial in Canada?
(DIR) Post #AFEszlz6NIY9t9K06y by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:46:26Z
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@gemlog I wanted (have now ordered) a tape with cm/mm only.@vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #AFEt8P2T3W87KW0k8O by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-01-06T08:26:50Z
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@fitheach to be fair normally they have English inches, not the Swedish equivalent that was actually the norm here before the metric system. So if you deal with old buildings, you may need to also need to make sure not to mix up English and Swedish inches (or "tum").
(DIR) Post #AFEt8PT3SfOgeyRyZk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:47:59Z
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@bkhl It's great wen everyone has their own "standards". 🙄
(DIR) Post #AFEtMIRONqesv9IJ1M by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T18:50:30Z
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@tkenben I think your prof was really old school. I'm sure there will be others using imperial, but, they are likely in a small minority.
(DIR) Post #AFEtmFUtwwVNJyJKNM by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-01-08T18:55:10Z
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@fitheach it's getting more standardized here though. Timber was measured in inches until a couple of decades ago but is now mostly metric too, and that was the main big holdover.
(DIR) Post #AFEuX4up6v9U71lWJk by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-01-08T18:57:46Z
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@fitheach and here is what my measuring tape at home looks like now.
(DIR) Post #AFEuX5IvfIQzJn2ltI by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T19:03:37Z
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@bkhl ... and 3M will be the distance, not the manufacturer. 😃
(DIR) Post #AFEvKwFFcb6thU5ynQ by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2022-01-08T19:12:38Z
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@fitheach yeah, actually I was going to check if it said "London", which is what measuring sticks with English inch units used to say, but instead found it doesn't have inches at all.
(DIR) Post #AFEwTVI1JHsEf02T0y by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-08T19:25:25Z
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@fitheach We live next door to a country whose population dwarfs our own and they use imperial.All our highway signs are in metric, but our food stuffs are marked in odd sizes like 454g, because the machinery for packaging is from the usa - the only difference is that it has the french language on the label. The weather is always given in metric for e.g. temperature and wind speed, but our personal heights and weight are in feet/inches and pounds.It's a bloody mess.All our building materials are in imperial. Plywood and drywall come in 4'x8' sheets. Studs for wall construction is planed down 2"x4". Electrical wiring is measured in AWG.You need a tape with dual measures here, but you could be a tradesman just fine with only imperial. Oh, but soda, vodka and milk come in even litres. Beer is in cans of 355ml or 473, which I imagine corresponds to some weird imperial thing. Go figure :-( And then there is Sarah down there measuring things in chains for some reason :-) @Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFEx0OyjnMa8dwhsBM by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T19:31:22Z
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@gemlog A similar kind of mess we have. However, isn't it even more complicated because the US uses USCM:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_measurement_systems@Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFExF4zEPJgOyzw7I8 by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-08T19:34:00Z
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@fitheach Yes, you are correct, it's even worse than the litany I typed out there. I have numbers like (but not limited to) 3.78, 2.2046 and 454 baked into my small, pea-sized brain in order to make comparison to make comparisons.@Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFExFap42eZ1ijQRt2 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T19:34:07Z
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@gemlog I can think of a few people that should be in chains. 😃 @Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFExKnMWqYew3lYiki by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-08T19:35:03Z
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@fitheach Me too! For some reason we have them as PMs and MEPs...@Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFExifigufmFJ5JJlw by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T19:39:22Z
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@gemlog How do you know a politician is lying?Their lips move.@Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFExpFHraUkBM1tebI by aujawindar@snabelen.no
2022-01-08T19:40:33Z
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@fitheach Consider construction wood: "Two four" is easier on the mouth than "forty-eight by ninety-six", even though that is the actual and official dimension and has been in living memory. In all building supply stores in Norway, you will get what you want by using either. I grew up in a metric country, and still prefer imperial measures. They are less logical and ergo feel more human.
(DIR) Post #AFEy8vY0gkYvvOpm9A by gemlog@tilde.zone
2022-01-08T19:44:05Z
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@fitheach Look at all the weird sizes - except for import http://www.bcliquorstores.com/product-catalogue?category=beer&sort=name.raw:asc&page=1In other news, our government sells liquor. In fact, until fairly recently (few decades) you couldn't legally buy liquor except from the government.We all speak a common language on fedi, mostly english, and we think we also live in similar countries... Nope.@Fritillaria2
(DIR) Post #AFEybLWVhkJQazgSR6 by aujawindar@snabelen.no
2022-01-08T19:49:14Z
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@fitheach Consider construction wood: "Two four" is easier on the mouth than "forty-eight by ninety-six", even though that is the actual and official dimension and has been in living memory. In all building supply stores in Norway, you will get what you want by using either. I grew up in a metric country but often prefer imperial measures. They are less logical and ergo feel more human. And in the case of construction wood, they are more convenient. I measure length in meters, though.
(DIR) Post #AFEznn1FOy3FIkYfZI by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T20:02:41Z
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@edavies Those prices are even worse than I remembered. Does that include delivery?@vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #AFF1bAJPggPdgfAB2O by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T20:22:49Z
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@edavies At least, you won't need to order many sheets to reach a £250 order. 🙄 @vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #AFFGi1REZql7VMY5wm by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-08T23:12:09Z
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@aujawindar That is true. Many of the old measurements were derived from a human scale. Perhaps we just need to have systems to describe, for example, wood sizes, similar to the ISO 216 used for paper.I only measure things in metric units. The one exception is road distances, as signage here exclusively uses miles. Consequently, I also use "miles per hour" and "miles per gallon".
(DIR) Post #AFG4VYGkCHwRGstCpE by aujawindar@snabelen.no
2022-01-09T08:30:07Z
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@fitheach Yes. I'm all for universal standards as long as we can freely deviate from them ;-)But jokes aside: metric is far easier to use, but is effortless. You can't feel anything for it. It's just measures. Imperial measures are like humans: slightly counterintuitive and makeshift yet strangely coherent once you accept the quirks. It requires some involvement of the brain, and makes you warm and fuzzy. I'd like that that as much as possible in my life.
(DIR) Post #AFGAtxyor7Q9gfWwAS by jamie@remarkably.social
2022-01-09T09:25:14.980357Z
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@fitheach My favourite is pipe connectors, which often use BOTH metric and imperial on the same product. Example: https://www.screwfix.com/p/jg-speedfit-brass-push-fit-adapting-male-cylinder-coupler-15mm-x/23662
(DIR) Post #AFGAtyOLKDpyxpTJx2 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-09T09:41:47Z
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@jamie Is that not an adapter from ½ inch to 15mm?The two common water pipe sizes are 15mm and 22mm. Prior to their introduction (decades ago) there were imperial sizes which were similar, but, slightly different.
(DIR) Post #AFGCM4atxQzEGOJE3c by jamie@remarkably.social
2022-01-09T09:50:15.508195Z
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@fitheach It is. Taps and toilets still come with connectors described in inches, probably for the reason you state - but why not use millimetres? Can’t be that many bathrooms still using imperial pipe, surely?
(DIR) Post #AFGCM54KC2WRje4iv2 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-09T09:57:18Z
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@jamie I've got an old house. There used to be a lot of imperial plumbing in the house, which I replaced with metric. I had to replace much of it as it was lead piping.Perhaps, there is still a lot of imperial plumbing around, as basins, baths and toilets are long-lasting products. I don't know for sure.
(DIR) Post #AFGFkJX2N443P7khFI by alm10965@mastodon.social
2022-01-09T10:36:03Z
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@fitheachHmmm on that, example picture it only depends on, if You're right- or left-handed 🤔Doesn't matter, for me, I prefere that Foldable Mesure, often called "Zollstock" in German, but only have a metric scale 😝
(DIR) Post #AFGG5OKphxtmNl5uBE by alm10965@mastodon.social
2022-01-09T10:31:28Z
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@dmoonfireOokayyy, maybe at 12PM, or AM or… don't, know, first drink a pint* of beer, or I'm drive away with bike, rolling on 28 inch wheels. *) but imperial, or American pint? @fitheach
(DIR) Post #AFGG5OqjnLQ3yi1NuS by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-09T10:39:50Z
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@alm10965 An imperial pint (568ml) is a nice quantity when having a round of drinks. However, a half-litre (500ml) isn't far away, and is bigger than a US liquid pint (473ml).I wouldn't be upset at losing the pint. @dmoonfire
(DIR) Post #AFGGRZWOnV9RRo53bc by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-01-09T10:43:50Z
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@alm10965 It also depends on the positioning of the thing you are measuring. https://mstdn.io/@fitheach/107588288797030484
(DIR) Post #AFGGnLfGzuOcqGcCrg by alm10965@mastodon.social
2022-01-09T10:47:12Z
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@fitheachYeah for sure, that is most important 😁