Post AEiJVOLN0BJSWQZmsa by VPG@social.tchncs.de
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(DIR) Post #AEai1ILDS2ziqXWfDc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-20T09:34:42Z
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"What Every Vegan Should Know About Vitamin B12Below is an Open Letter containing detailed information on vitamin B12 from the health professionals and organisations listed at the end."https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12#vegan #nutrition #B12
(DIR) Post #AEaiYbLHpJ2PKkRNWS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-20T09:40:49Z
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Reading this detailed info about B12 from the Vegan Society has thrown me into a bit of a crisis of conscience. My choice to be vegan is based on the proposition that plants can supply all the nutrients a human body needs to stay healthy. Now I see the Vegan Society saying that's not true in the case of B12. I don't think I could ever go back to eating meat and I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to dairy, but now I'm thinking about going back to eating eggs regularly.
(DIR) Post #AEajPqDHGf1mnp55pg by posrev@gleasonator.com
2021-12-20T09:50:40.801456Z
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@strypey Can you take B12 injections or B12 vitamins?
(DIR) Post #AEbs5i4aurCuViSHNg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-20T23:02:12Z
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@posrevI guess. But I don't really like the idea of depending on supplements that can't be produced on a permaculture property. Also, where does the B12 in supplements come from? If it's from animal sources, then obviously they're not vegan either. If it's from plant sources, why can't I eat them? If it's synthetic, what's it made from and how sustainable is that?
(DIR) Post #AEbsXNaSfyil5BYRea by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-20T23:07:17Z
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@posrev> Can you take B12 injections or B12 vitamins?I guess. But I don't really like the idea of depending on supplements that can't be produced on a permaculture property. Even if they are animal-free.@steko
(DIR) Post #AEc35MbTq2qzQ4sI4m by TMakarios@theres.life
2021-12-21T01:05:07Z
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@strypeyLower Hutt's rules about urban chickens are looser than they used to be, so now we have our own chickens, and the neighbours seem to appreciate the occasional boxes of eggs that come their way.
(DIR) Post #AEdrMip9fLKu7mhY2q by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-21T22:03:40Z
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Hmm, looks like eggs alone are not a solution."One hard-boiled egg has about 0.6 micrograms of B12. That’s 25% of your daily value."https://www.webmd.com/diet/b12-rich-foods"Vitamin B(12) in eggs seems to be poorly absorbed (< 9%)..."https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17959839/
(DIR) Post #AEdrtg5mqLYTCzCB6m by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-21T22:09:34Z
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@steko> I say this as someone who stopped eating animals recentlyI've been vegetarian for more than 20 years and vegan for most of that time. I wish the people who encouraged me to adopt a plant-based diet had given me the same sort of detailed info about the B12 issue as the VS society gives in that article. I encourage you to read it thoroughly and act on it.
(DIR) Post #AEds7jPlHw49ZAEvfU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-21T22:10:09Z
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@steko> I say this as someone who stopped eating animals recentlyI've been vegetarian for more than 20 years and vegan for most of that time. I wish the people who encouraged me to adopt a plant-based diet had given me the same sort of detailed info about the B12 issue as the VS society gives in that article. I encourage you to read it thoroughly and act on it.#vegan
(DIR) Post #AEdyU292vfftklRHCy by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-21T23:23:38Z
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@strypey is how life is reared. wild fowls are very nutritious.
(DIR) Post #AEehMT13sh4sftVyPg by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-22T07:46:26Z
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@nergal @strypey see this, https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf803755sAlso, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/Seaweed (try Korean stores such as Cosco) may store them.
(DIR) Post #AEehrqQUtO6oG1NFaq by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-22T07:52:10Z
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@arin_basu @strypey thanks. will try. no korean stores around yet though. only japanese and chinese products dominate asian aisles, until joseon arrives.irish moss would qualify too, i suspect.going to disappear for a few hours. reading this later.
(DIR) Post #AEfi1ibR1spC2y9rpQ by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-22T19:28:36Z
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@nergal @strypey The other source is marmite, https://marmite.co.nz/dig-deep/nutrition/
(DIR) Post #AEh38uKm6TcQeZawIi by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-23T10:59:57Z
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@arin_basu @strypey my side of the world, that seems to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink) it has been sugared and carbonated in the past decade. quite detrimental in my opinion. i am going into fermented foods instead of processed crap corporate keeps cheapening to make a profit.
(DIR) Post #AEiJVOLN0BJSWQZmsa by VPG@social.tchncs.de
2021-12-24T01:37:39Z
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@strypey @steko animal feed contains B12 supplement as well, so you can take it orally by yourself instead :)
(DIR) Post #AEiwMk9eR6v9m1xhku by TMakarios@theres.life
2021-12-24T08:53:07Z
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@strypeyDoes the "daily value" take into account that you won't absorb everything that goes through your digestive system? Four eggs a day is more than most people eat, but probably doable, unless you really don't like eggs.
(DIR) Post #AEnKBi54yt3Hglw1tA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T11:38:59Z
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@TMakarios See the second quote in the post. Even if the absortion of B12 from eggs was reliably 10%, I'd have to eat about 40 eggs a day to get enough B12 from those alone. Nobody likes eggs that much ;P
(DIR) Post #AEnKR4pQgjn0aCwUIy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T11:41:45Z
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@arin_basu @nergal The Vegan Society article maintains that no whole plant source has been found to supply sufficient B12 to maintain good health.
(DIR) Post #AEnKZo40OBtxC4vGdM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T11:43:19Z
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@arin_basu @nergal Marmite counts as a fortified food. Kiwi Marmite has too much sugar to work for my diet (I'm sugar-free these days). I do get English Marmite, sold in Aotearoa as "OurMate", but I'd have to eat boatloads of it to get enough B12 for that source alone.
(DIR) Post #AEnKgfOwzeBQM6zUmm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T11:44:19Z
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@nergal There's a lot of protein in human flesh, but I'm not inclined to eat that either :P
(DIR) Post #AEnUxKm9vnuiqoQtge by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-26T13:39:53Z
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@strypey @TMakarios seems i missed much of the discussion. am fine with being tagged. we have mute button.what about foods fermented in salted herbivore milk cultures? if we only not using our appendix because of lifestyle, how do animals keep theirs going despite constant tampering by humen?
(DIR) Post #AEnV6eZjgbPirf48ZM by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-26T13:41:35Z
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@strypey the eggs of common fowl have an observably different constitution.
(DIR) Post #AEoF5GhnXoUQR279WK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T22:16:44Z
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@nergalAh ok, I thought you were suggesting eating the fowl themselves.
(DIR) Post #AEoFH0WzVQPTkKenkO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T22:18:51Z
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@nergalLarge-scale harvesting of herbivore milk requires keeping said herbivores in concentration camps, forcibly impregnating the females every year, and killing most of the males for meat when they're a year or two old.@TMakarios
(DIR) Post #AEoHeBhoKDyoyKtmym by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2021-12-26T22:45:28Z
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@strypey @TMakarios free range more?
(DIR) Post #AEoIZlxAEJUbtlXSYC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-12-26T22:55:51Z
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@nergalIt's not as cruel, but it doesn’t solve any of the aforementioned problems. Fenced paddocks are still concentration camps for plains animals (compare to the lifestyle of wild herbivores like gnu or bison) and free range production still involves forced pregnancy and mass killing of males.@TMakarios
(DIR) Post #AGNiVxK4ar3R6s4kIi by unicornfarts@fosstodon.org
2022-02-11T22:53:14Z
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@strypey Many breakfast cereals are fortified with b-12. You can eat it with Oat milk (also fortified). 👍
(DIR) Post #AGQWkXMt5iZcQqBhmC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-02-13T07:25:27Z
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@unicornfartsMost of these products are also fortified with sugar in various forms, which I'm also trying to avoid 😩