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(DIR) Post #AEfEXHqL3jR3hAGYpU by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T13:58:13.014442Z
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leftism leftism everywhere
(DIR) Post #AEfEmFOmQinCSQVeiG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T14:00:55Z
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@thor (hearty chuckle)
(DIR) Post #AEfFcVpkZPW8UK2wZk by bonifartius@qoto.org
2021-12-22T14:10:22Z
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@amerika @thor the worst thing is that it isn't even "left", it's really only an l"-ism". a facade of an ideology which can be put in front of nearly everything to make it look "good" and "progressive". meanwhile business as usual behind said facade.
(DIR) Post #AEfG6nmUPGmeq2xrE0 by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T14:15:50.592885Z
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@thor I'm not even sure what "leftism" and "rightism" mean exactly
(DIR) Post #AEfGRA8R0MCDxYwCdk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:19:31.421762Z
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@Hyolobrika i place people in the “leftist” group if they’re vocal about socialism and social justice, and “rightist” if they’re very much opposed to all of that and are values conservative.
(DIR) Post #AEfGXtYP3Fk6YrIKVk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:20:44.015414Z
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@Hyolobrika these things tend to cluster together in one person. you rarely find anyone who’s a total SJW but also thinks taxation is theft… not saying it never happens, but it’s rare.
(DIR) Post #AEfGbt70dVBgLiNxFA by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:21:28.436470Z
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@Hyolobrika on that note: i thought everyone knew this and it was self evident and needed no elaboration
(DIR) Post #AEfGmP5SbnM6PifvLk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:23:21.619328Z
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@Hyolobrika more broadly, if you are left wing, you tend to think that people are victims. if you are right wing, you tend to hold them accountable. “whose fault are my problems?”
(DIR) Post #AEfGwidEnR3ZvWOQDI by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:25:13.212214Z
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@Hyolobrika which is why you so often, on the left wing, see people talk of “systemic issues” such as institutional racism, whereas on the right wing, this might be dismissed as being made up, because we’re all just individuals and nobody is conspiring to suppress the weak.
(DIR) Post #AEfGzTto1qun6QSZHM by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:25:44.228105Z
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@Hyolobrika and you can argue about this forever of course.
(DIR) Post #AEfH4yYJUJL5cW1ica by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:26:43.496906Z
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@Hyolobrika some people aren’t (too) committed to either of these viewpoints and we call them centrists or moderates
(DIR) Post #AEfHDdF45a1C8K9Qfo by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:28:17.607974Z
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@Hyolobrika the drawback of not committing is that you’re left without a good recipe for action. it’s easier to act if you’re cock sure, but also easier to make a mistake. kind of true of life in general. the more self doubt you have, the less you will do.
(DIR) Post #AEfHIlJfUqeOcgkazw by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T14:29:12.299417Z
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@thor but if you actually do want to conspire to oppress the weak (i.e. @amerika) then you are still considered right-wing. What relation does denying something has happened / is happening / will happen have to do with wanting to do it / doing it / etc?
(DIR) Post #AEfHThddVlTkOxJ7Fg by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:30:30.742457Z
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@Hyolobrika i’m not aware that @amerika is conspiring to oppress the weak
(DIR) Post #AEfHWxE60n4dcEuZUG by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T14:31:46.606304Z
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@thor It's not that I can't identify who is "right-wing" and who is "left-wing" most of the time. It's just that those categories don't make much sense to me. They seem to me to be packages of unrelated beliefs held together by tribal affiliation.
(DIR) Post #AEfHf0n6dsZkzK84ps by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T14:33:14.276818Z
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@thor why do you see reverse bigotry on the left? what's leftist about that by your definition?
(DIR) Post #AEfHkXXiId4G0uZ7xo by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:34:13.690592Z
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@Hyolobrika i’m not following
(DIR) Post #AEfHuQNzlMWmiHjWQC by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:36:00.610432Z
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@Hyolobrika it’s always the same tribes that form in all the countries around the same beliefs. for whatever reason, they tend to occur together, even in countries that don’t have a very long history of democracy
(DIR) Post #AEfI2NuIraIrLFdmj2 by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T14:37:27.195916Z
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@thor if the left is about care for victims then why do they victimise the 'privileged' by pretending that, say, you can't be racist against white people, or sexist against men?
(DIR) Post #AEfI6tKrxGKXyRDRMu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-12-22T14:38:16.560689Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika no because classical left hates the fact anyone calls socjus communists leftist
(DIR) Post #AEfIIZ0LN46GORBGtM by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:39:43.218434Z
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@Hyolobrika as far as i can tell, they vilify the privileged and they don’t belong to the victim category.
(DIR) Post #AEfISEd1z1xg5st7r6 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:42:07.681951Z
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@icedquinn @Hyolobrika i don’t know what the left would be if not people who want worker’s rights and more gender politics. apart from those people, there is no other left. not in my country anyway.
(DIR) Post #AEfIXFwGXV8dbbHNVw by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:43:02.767001Z
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@icedquinn @Hyolobrika also they want a big government welfare state
(DIR) Post #AEfIkusfd4XELj6y0G by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-12-22T14:45:29.684805Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika i have no idea. i'm a quinnsian and anything i say about something else is just going to be but quinned to hell.
(DIR) Post #AEfIltIH10fLiVYGEy by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:44:52.479369Z
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@Hyolobrika @icedquinn the latter is closer to what their official ideology is, but it’s not easy to separate from the rest
(DIR) Post #AEfIrfzZNq14CSYtQe by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-12-22T14:46:43.284633Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika burgerland traditional politics is basically workers vs corporations.
(DIR) Post #AEfItDXC9wMQWG1aWu by chjara@mk.absturztau.be
2021-12-22T14:46:59.639Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @thor@pl.thj.no @Hyolobrika@fedi.club that's all politics evertake the redpill
(DIR) Post #AEfIzba3fXwmpoPSyG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-12-22T14:48:09.290438Z
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@chjara modern burger politics is basically us vs. white.they don't really care if the working conditions are garbage as long as the wage slaves don't have unapproved opinions about how racist white people are by existing.@thor @Hyolobrika
(DIR) Post #AEfJ4Zx59TN9EPYCcS by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-12-22T14:49:02.973552Z
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@icedquinn @chjara @Hyolobrika i’ll be muting this thread
(DIR) Post #AEfJ8tM8wv48ZSKUFc by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-12-22T14:49:50.022791Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika @chjara > asks what the labels mean> try to explain> no badok
(DIR) Post #AEfJGuKDENpVtOFSk4 by eris@rats-at.work
2021-12-22T14:51:02.678244Z
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@chjara @icedquinn @thor premarin? but thats terrible for you! modern e is in teal pills, like estradiol
(DIR) Post #AEfJKjIeAGOmrAL3ho by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-12-22T14:51:58.792653Z
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@icedquinn @thor @Hyolobrika @chjara ain't no reasoning with some folks :sadcowboy:
(DIR) Post #AEfLsEZH8AtNIWDiqW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:19:55Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor * Leftism = equality* Right = orderThe latter is far more complex because it's not an ISM, or a simple idea extended to cover everything.Generally, it involves radical realism and naturalism, or a belief that there is an external natural order with which we must find unity, and a transcendental goal (excellence: arete) because realism is not a direction just a method.The Left on the other hand involves no hierarchy + social subsidies.
(DIR) Post #AEfLvrAw2u75uBYxe4 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:20:59Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor And then it gets complex.@wjmaggos and I had a great conversation about this in the past.Where I agree with the Left is that there needs to be some plan for both civilizational and human individual thriving. I don't think it can come from tax-subsidy-entitlements, but from lowering costs and improving safety, reliability, security, competence, function, infrastructure, etc.
(DIR) Post #AEfM2661U38Hv1F0DY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:22:12Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor Too many on the Right fall into the individualism trap.We can see Leftism as subsidized individualism and Rightism as independence individualism in this way.The slow-thinking Right-winger wants to just keep his money and let everyone die.The smart one wants to reinvest into structure, not individuals, and let the inept die.That includes controversial stuff like decriminalized drugs and legal abortion.
(DIR) Post #AEfM9Kd9qLpb1WBn3w by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:23:29Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor It's not oppressing the weak to deny them handouts. They never had them in the first place!In a Right-wing society, daily life would be cheaper and more reliable. Food would be more expensive. You would be less likely to get assaulted, ripped off, etc. and bad people would get run out of town.In a Left-wing society, you have subsidies which raise costs and create an inflation death spiral.
(DIR) Post #AEfMD3fyp0LRbAHo24 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:24:11Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor I don't believe in oppression, generally; it's a weak mode of power.I believe in suppressing the ability of people to act above their station since their competence is limited here.Mostly, I'm looking at the middle class, who are not bad folks but are not ready for decisions of hard power, long term future, etc.
(DIR) Post #AEfMKhEO9huuIr1Spk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:25:32Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika I think this part is rarely understood: Right wingers believe just about everything is a case-by-case basis, highly particularized and localized.That also means localizing failure.If everyone needs to contribute something, and those who do not die, we see that as natural selection.However, we tend to like inducing charity and thinks like grants for artists, coders, etc., although these come from private sources instead of the State.
(DIR) Post #AEfMM13Dx1i23yQhoe by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:24:28Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika This is a good handy definition.
(DIR) Post #AEfMMi4S0LExUEKnCK by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2021-12-22T15:25:53Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @thor MFT is the best explanation I've found. I do think a good society needs both, within a liberal framework. but then conservatism does generally think some people are better at making these decisions than others. and I fear dumb mob rule. trying to get everyone a decent education and information and using representatives balances things a bit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory
(DIR) Post #AEfMSAxQ242kWaeSno by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:26:52Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor It's only fair to mention as well that conservatives secretly hate the State in all forms.We want war-leaders, police, fire, and roads from government, maybe cool stuff like NASA, NOAA, and government-funded research.Why: for some products, you require an IMMENSE concentration of wealth to achieve them (spaceflight the case in point).However, with that wealth, the parasites gather under the guise of "benefits" and entitlements.
(DIR) Post #AEfMWXctgveRzQ8OwK by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:27:39Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor In this city, average rent is something like $2500 a month.I want it to be a tenth of that, and could achieve it simply by abolishing the public school system and diversity/anti-poverty programs.
(DIR) Post #AEfMbL47osu4Ts9q76 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:28:34Z
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@bonifartius @thor In my view, we have to take language seriously, which means that an ISM (ideological singular mandate) or "ism" means:this thing above all elseSo individualism means "me first before anything else," which means that the anything else is a means to the me-first.
(DIR) Post #AEfMexyvaRRA2uSMka by sickburnbro@poa.st
2021-12-22T15:29:15.895249Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @thor Abolishing the public school system wouldn't fix housing prices, but diversity programs would -- however there is no way forward to even discuss that in polite society.
(DIR) Post #AEfMjC03PS0ugGzxse by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2021-12-22T15:30:01.745807Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @thor let the section 8 slumlords get what their shitholes would actually fetch on the open market and watch rents plummet.
(DIR) Post #AEfN0Yw3OBkSjkPTfc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:33:08Z
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@wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @thor I like the moral foundations theory, which finds six points; liberals have three, conservatives add another three.However, you'll find these map to the equality/order dichotomy.Leftists are concerned with the individual, conservatives with social order, because in our view, social order provides a great benefit to the individual.What is the value of an un-neurotic, law and order, competent, and stable society?
(DIR) Post #AEfN7ja8CjcjmcZkmW by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:34:26Z
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@dew_the_dew @Hyolobrika @thor I agree. Rent control is a great failure and always has been.I didn't understand ghettos until I went to an older Texas city. They are places with very, very cheap rent and home ownership.The ghetto is a good thing, not a bad one.Decriminalizing drugs and removing alcohol/tobacco taxes would make them less violent.
(DIR) Post #AEfNJEoIRDbfp1gdLk by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:36:28Z
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@dew_the_dew @Hyolobrika @thor It's also worth mentioning that Section 8 has produced some real deathholes of housing:https://www.britannica.com/topic/Cabrini-Green
(DIR) Post #AEfNa6APpJDjwF4YPQ by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2021-12-22T15:39:35.447908Z
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@amerika @Hyolobrika @thor >be a landlord have a property you inherited that you don't want and it sucks so you're not going to get a lot of money selling itdo you: take the 1400$ a month guaranteed by section 8 for shaniqua and keedsor: try to get 650$ a month from some wagie because it's all he can affordin both cases there is a decent chance they will rekt your house.and all of a sudden the inventory of affordable rentals for working people disappears.
(DIR) Post #AEfP7yBK7dleyLDD3g by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:56:54Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor Egalitarianism means equality. They want to enforce that.This means that, since you can't raise up the weak, you subsidize them by taking from the strong.This means that you blame the strong for all of your problems, since their handouts are never enough.
(DIR) Post #AEfPB6eR5aKI6oKCMy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:57:27Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika Even more: in an egalitarian society, everyone tries to be a victim.It's the only way to keep others from taking your stuff, and you get stuff taken from others.
(DIR) Post #AEfPIXIOQLc0lwYbVw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T15:58:48Z
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@icedquinn @Hyolobrika @thor Classical liberalism came after the French Revolution.It was the idea that by preserving freedom/liberty, we could allow people to live traditionally within the new regime.The problem: traditional living succeeds, so conservatives become tax cash cows for the Left until the civilization is bankrupt.
(DIR) Post #AEfPPiyHPeWr0iZq5I by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:00:06Z
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@icedquinn @Hyolobrika @thor The difficulty: the workers are incompetent for purposes of making decisions.The corporations in America have been created by Leftist attempts at reform.When you raise costs, only the truly huge survive, and they gobble up everyone else through mergers and acquisitions.
(DIR) Post #AEfPXshn6bznW6kodM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:01:33Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor If you identify with humans, you see human weakness and therefore see everyone as a victim of the world.If you identify with structure, you see a way to make a situation where everyone can win if they do a few simple, naturalistic life processes (creation, production, avoiding self-destructive behaviors)
(DIR) Post #AEfPdjPwYCPKRsCBiC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:02:36Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika I think this is the nature of permanent civilization.Some want opportunity and order, others want someone to take care of them.It varies with level of confidence, which varies with the degree of function of the society.As societies decay, you get more Leftists.
(DIR) Post #AEfPzcxtDmroo7VxWS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:06:35Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika Values conservatives see life this way...If you set up a system where the good win and the bad are exiled, you have a good system where everyone has a chance to succeed.That's "good to the good, bad to the bad" which clashes with egalitarian "be equally good to both good and bad."Leftism ultimately is individualism, or wanting society to provide for the individual so that the individual is not subject to the laws of nature.
(DIR) Post #AEfQ5Qt32Ytr5M1AxM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:07:38Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika Values conservatives are less in love with jobs and the economy than most think.They mostly want to avoid socialism, since it creates a death spiral of wealth transfer from where it can create more wealth to where it loses value.
(DIR) Post #AEfQC3cxutFCyUedRw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:08:50Z
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@dew_the_dew @Hyolobrika @thor I agree, and we have to ask what is the greater social good here, fighting poverty or providing low-cost housing for normal people?I like the idea of a society where we work to live instead of living to work.
(DIR) Post #AEfQJYraBIEPsU4NI8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:10:05Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor Also here we get into psychology:Some are haves and some are have-nots.How do we explain this?* Right: some are more talented and dedicated than others, but even the untalented if reasonably dedicated should be fine* Left: everyone is equal, therefore if you are a have-not, you are a victim of the privileged.
(DIR) Post #AEfRbb60ic6dy8yxg8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T16:24:38Z
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@wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @thor One other way to view this:It's a question of good money chasing bad.Problems arise; we either fund those who avoid them (natural selection) or those who do not (inversion).Conservatives say make it easy for people to succeed, and that's good money.Leftists say we must focus on the failing and throw money at them, which is good money chasing bad.
(DIR) Post #AEfWg1Jrf6BKEFOHia by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T17:21:29.138129Z
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@amerika @thor that's not individualism
(DIR) Post #AEfWt5oMGxrTvNt4hk by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T17:23:51.323542Z
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@amerika @bonifartius @thor no. "individualism" means "the individual above all else", by your definition. I.e. that individual rights are important.you are thinking of "egoism" ("ego" is Latin for "I", I.e. "me")
(DIR) Post #AEfX7yAuwhk8aLX6sC by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T17:26:32.746030Z
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@amerika @thor but that just creates new victims
(DIR) Post #AEfYYC6nrad9Hbg3t2 by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-22T17:42:29.281602Z
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@amerika @thor I think you are confusing the good/bad dichotomy with the weak/strong dichotomy. Egalitarianism (my concept of it) is equality of opportunity (not outcome) and affirming the dignity (not identicalness) of all races, sexes and nationalities. Basically, "treat people as individuals". This means that our social and legal structures should treat the strong and the weak equally (equality before the law) but not the good and bad equally (criminals should be dealt with).
(DIR) Post #AEffSNURKoIgWTuHsO by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T18:59:50Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor > Egalitarianism (my concept of it) is equality of opportunity (not outcome)It's a spectrum, and it never stops there. If you say people have equality of opportunity, but outcomes are different, there are only two possible reasons why:1. People are not in fact equal, or2. Something stopped them from being equalTherefore you always end up with subsidies.
(DIR) Post #AEffVfZSZBWrT7pB1U by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T19:00:27Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor > affirming the dignity (not identicalness) of all races, sexes and nationalitiesMakes sense but doesn't require equality.Why load on an extra expense and failure?> Basically, "treat people as individuals".Equality is the opposite of that, since it only considers whether they are equal, not who they are.
(DIR) Post #AEffqu9nWyXYmuwmMy by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T19:04:17Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor An ISM means that the thing described comes first before all else; all else is a means to that end.They are not bothered by creating victims in pursuit of equality.100m dead Communist citizens, four guys at Benghazi, and innumerable victims of rioting can testify to this.
(DIR) Post #AEffz7Q26ixwEfSQqG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T19:05:46Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor In a philosophical context, it is.Individualism: the philosophy that the individual has highest value.
(DIR) Post #AEfg37X1d7urkAdWAi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-22T19:06:30Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @bonifartius I see egoism as a variety of individualism. Only that makes sense.Intelligent people are not individualists. They act in self-interest like anything else, but temper it with a concern for bigger things because those also provide meaning.
(DIR) Post #AEg6dRQVjhmQgDZLNY by lain@lain.com
2021-12-23T00:04:22.980628Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika I wish I could find conservatives who think taxation is theft
(DIR) Post #AEg6lKOdl3q5C1SFqy by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-12-23T00:05:50.748584Z
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@lain @thor @Hyolobrika move to texas maybe
(DIR) Post #AEg6p1LiW6ZJHGqeae by lain@lain.com
2021-12-23T00:06:28.572737Z
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@orekix @Hyolobrika @thor hey I just met you and this is crazy
(DIR) Post #AEgHqeVpUg5CWcYiMi by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-12-23T01:24:07Z
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to me, the right is about depriving people of rights to facilitate exploitation by the privileged, while the left is about rights (oh the irony) to defend from abuse and to promote collective well-being
(DIR) Post #AEgIN1FEVkKcILEIdc by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-23T02:15:53.995569Z
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@lxo Then how do you explain the "misandry is okay but misogyny isn't" left?
(DIR) Post #AEh7azEvrCZDnFVT84 by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-12-23T03:58:05Z
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some people can't get left and right right ;-)now, in a society where one group has privilege and another doesn't, efforts to even things out may be perceived by the privileged group as an attack
(DIR) Post #AEh7aze6LchT3JHZMO by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-23T11:49:51.264502Z
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@lxo No. That just creates more victims. No one deserves to be punished simply because people of the same race or gender as them 100 years ago did something wrong.
(DIR) Post #AEhhIN70TPtMgBDr4i by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-23T18:29:51Z
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@wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @thor I think the question comes down to this:Do we want a society where the powerful (not just "the rich") can bully and steal?If not, how do we make that come about?The Leftist solution seems worse, since it creates power through government and ideology which is then abused.
(DIR) Post #AEhoOBG29zHVKXA5tQ by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-23T19:49:21Z
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@amerika @wjmaggos @Hyolobrika @thor Provide the populous an avenue for redress that is not dependent upon those in power to approve or block. For example, if it becomes a general consensus that-too much power is consolidated in the legislature, and they are unwilling to step aside, then the populous would be able to put forth a referendum that instituted term limits. I know that we have an amendment process, but it can be too restrictive and limited to Constitutional issues.
(DIR) Post #AEmFnLmfdQdMbyUebw by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-12-24T06:43:38Z
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why do you seem to be equating "leveling privilege" with "punishing"?!?
(DIR) Post #AEmFnMHrlRaUAj5ZEe by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-25T23:15:15.735608Z
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@lxo Because it is. It is not "leveling" anything. It's biasing the seesaw in the opposite direction. Leveling would be if no one was allowed to be bigoted, including minorities and women. The whole "power + privilege" bs just feels like collective punishment.
(DIR) Post #AEmMW2ltljimOxpKhk by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-12-25T23:31:18Z
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it seems like we're miscommunicating. I understand your words, but they seem to mean something different for your and me. when I say level, I mean striving to make it uniform, but you seem to reject the notion of leveling taking it as meaning something else. that's a sort of (presumably unintended) strawman fallacy, in which the other party's argument is misrepresented, and then the misrepresentation is refuted, as if that refuted the original argument
(DIR) Post #AEmMW3CUAszLjQGZ96 by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-26T00:30:36.074743Z
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@lxo My original comment was a reference to the idea that misandry is okay but misogyny isn't, which you seemed to defend as an "effort to level the playing field". Did I misunderstand you? Sorry if so.
(DIR) Post #AEoLpA03PIlcgSv4Xw by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-12-26T04:47:52Z
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aah, yeah, I see how we came to the misunderstanding now.I wrote jokingly about the IMHO fake left that pushes misandry, and then elaborated more seriously the thought that leveling is sometimes mistaken as an attack by the privileged. the latter doesn't amount to condoning misandry, but rather to set apart the leveling, that may remove privileges and feel like an attack, from the actual attacks that misandry and misogyny amount to