fsebugoutzone.org:9999

Post AEa0PKExe7fhhfFTN2 by TBStewart@social.quodverum.com
(DIR) More posts by TBStewart@social.quodverum.com
(DIR) Post #AEZRLfiKMvy8kTVUIK by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:53:31Z

0 likes, 4 repeats

1) The Hitchhiker’s Guide To What Manchin’s Formal Decision to Oppose BBB Means2) Here are some key points about the formal announcement Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) made today on Fox News Sunday with Bret Baier regarding his formal opposition to the social spending bill.3) As I have noted, the Democrats’ legislative eyes were bigger than their parliamentary stomach. They were trying to pass this massive bill with the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate.1/2

(DIR) Post #AEZRScjHrbpTWGGq80 by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:54:46Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

4) Democrats, despite what the polling says about individual programs in the bill, lacked the legislative mandate to approve a bill of this magnitude. They needed EVERYTHING to line up. And finally something didn’t in the person of Joe Manchin.5) This came down to the math, the math, the math. The parliamentary math didn’t align on this one.6) Frankly, Democrats already threaded the needle on their other big bills this year: the partisan, $1.9 trillion COVID bill in March2/3

(DIR) Post #AEZRZqCq9k4JLMXFke by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:56:05Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

and passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the summer and fall. The social spending bill may have been a bridge too far.7) There will now be an internecine fight in the Democratic party with progressives not only torching Manchin - but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). Both gave progressives in their caucuses a lot of leeway.8) But that move inordinately raised expectations. The two leaders truly didn’t temper this very well.3/4

(DIR) Post #AEZReUhHYNXm5AzdBY by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:56:55Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

This could amplify talk about a need for new leadership.9) Don’t forget that Progressive Caucus Chair Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) rolled Pelosi earlier this fall. Jayapal threatened to withhold progressive votes for the infrastructure bill.10) It turns out that Jayapal held the cards that time and Pelosi didn’t - even though there was an accord later to pass the bill in the House. 4/5

(DIR) Post #AEZRjKaaYuRcBIAWP2 by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:57:47Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

The progressive base will be apoplectic. They argued they may not turn out in the midterms if Democrats didn’t deliver on this bill.11) That said, you cannot alter Congressional physics. It was always a struggle to pass this bill in the first place - no matter what the base wanted.12) Is it possible Democrats could now break the bill up into smaller, more palatable portions. Of course. But who knows what would pass there.5/6

(DIR) Post #AEZRm6aB5wJbbpIcds by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:58:18Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

13) Legislation is like wine. Only ever so often does the legislative weather cooperate in such harmony that lawmakers can make a big, muscular legislative Bordeaux. That’s what happened with Obamacare in 2010 and tax reform in 2017. But good legislative weather is often elusive.14) That’s why lawmakers are left to make table wine most years - if they have a vintage at all. As to the issue about just putting the bill on the floor and letting it fail:That is a political hornet’s nest.6/7

(DIR) Post #AEZRqE33HNvbvDlmYC by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T18:59:02Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

15) Putting this bill on the floor via budget reconciliation (which sidesteps a filibuster…remember Democrats chose this option because they lacked 60 votes to clear a filibuster).16) ...would subject vulnerable Democratic senators facing competitive races in 2022 to take tough votes on weaponized-GOP amendments during a budget vote-a-rama. Liberal Democrats may relish the opportunity for Manchin to vote on the record against the bill.7/8

(DIR) Post #AEZS06Fd7jd4dSMT7g by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:00:49Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

17) But such a tactic would ignite a firestorm among different factions of Democrats. The only side that would prevail in this battle are Republicans.18) They would achieve their goal of getting Democrats to vote - on the record - on a bunch of controversial items they don’t want to touch. This is only amplified by the fact that the bill is going nowhere as is.19) Then, there is the problem of moderate House Democrats who walked the plank &amp; voted yes on a bill which died in the Senate.8/9

(DIR) Post #AEZSA1f52gPRITzyfw by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:02:37Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

These moderate Democrats are on the record now &amp; the NRCC will boomerang this vote against vulnerable, moderate Democrats.20) This could also escalate the rate of retirements by House Democrats. A similar scenario unfolded in 2009. Pelosi pushed a vote on the controversial “cap and trade” climate bill.21) The House passed the bill (even with some GOP votes). But the measure never saw the light of day in the Senate. These moderate Democrats are likely to be beside themselves.9/10

(DIR) Post #AEZSHYJy0u0IcEiD6O by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:03:58Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

22) There could even be some activists who will push for Democrats to throw Manchin out of the party or strip him of his committee chairmanship. Such an approach may have had legs in 2008 when some Democrats wanted to bounce Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) from the party23) Any move to make Manchin too uncomfortable could mean that the Senate flips in mid-stream to GOP control. 10/11

(DIR) Post #AEZSNGH21fzqNe3rfs by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:05:00Z

0 likes, 2 repeats

That’s what happened in the 50/50 Senate of 2001. Republicans leaned too much on Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-VT). Jeffords abandoned the GOP &amp; flipped control to the Dems24) Democrats will need to handle Manchin with kid gloves. What frustrates the left is the fact that the party is more progressive than moderate - and they can’t approve this ambitious agenda.25) Liberals control the politics in the party. But as long as Manchin is around, moderates can dictate the policy.11/12

(DIR) Post #AEZSVMz0xrSTVQV4vQ by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:06:28Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

And, with basically a split Congress, perhaps it isn’t a surprise that the big bill which passed was something in the middle: a bipartisan infrastructure plan.~ Chad Pergram 🐦@timr 🍻🥂

(DIR) Post #AEZSYtETWDMCOVPVI0 by BigEd@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:07:07Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA Or, just post the threadhttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1472630436874661894.html

(DIR) Post #AEZUIs54EUsq65V1cm by KittyDugre@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:26:38Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA Very interesting and informative thread as ever there was. Thank you for the oh-so-complicated world of deceptive politics.

(DIR) Post #AEZX7PGZK8jTPL6VNo by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T19:58:10Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@BigEd Ed,Once again, I have to explain that many here do not have a Twitter account and do not want to even go there. I copied the thread and gave credit to Chad. Sometimes with articles or statements, I will post just the link, highlights, or entire article or thread depending upon importance and interest to myself. Thank you for your understanding.Susan

(DIR) Post #AEZXVFTnMVVw0MewCG by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T20:02:29Z

0 likes, 2 repeats

@BigEd Ed,Once again, I have to explain that many here on SQV do not have a Twitter account and do not want to even go there (or CNN or others websites or paywalled sites). I copied the thread and gave credit to Chad. Sometimes with articles or statements, I will post just the link, highlights, or entire article or thread depending upon importance and interest to myself. Thank you for your understanding.Susan

(DIR) Post #AEZcUdGDxUGdF3pxAm by BigEd@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T20:58:24Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA ACTUALLY, posting the thread reader link takes them neither to Twitter or CNN, but to www.threadreader.com

(DIR) Post #AEZcyCE926jy5Pxfuq by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:03:44Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@BigEd @SusanInVA that doesn&#39;t mean you should not post the source link. It is up to the reader to decider what to click

(DIR) Post #AEZdKmJtWPCAOfQ2FM by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:07:49Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@EarlThePearls @BigEd Yes.Rarely do I see thread reader.

(DIR) Post #AEZdNwM8fDRyONyaxM by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:08:19Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@EarlThePearls @BigEd Yes Earl.Rarely do I see thread reader.

(DIR) Post #AEZdpiatQMQzoo7h1k by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:13:24Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@EarlThePearls @BigEd FYI,MOST of the time I do post the actual links, unless I post the entire thread, even then I post links or pictures of the link.

(DIR) Post #AEZeRAdK8c4RUl7QBs by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:20:10Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA Not complaining. As a drive by reader easier to dig is betterYour contributions are much appreciated@BigEd

(DIR) Post #AEZefncdyTRyTImBYO by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:22:49Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA IT&#39;s like when I post a utubby videoI try to follow a format:Artist - TitleHashTagLinkSometimes I just don&#39;t feel like it thoughBut the message still gets through.Engineer types CAN be quite particular at times 😎 @BigEd

(DIR) Post #AEZezMpLJ9Lr9x2xFo by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:26:21Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@EarlThePearls @BigEd I appreciate the comments. I am used to the criticism.I&#39;ll just say I personally do not correct others on SQV and how they post. To each his own. I will remain to be courteous and careful to the best of my ability. There is always the option to not see my posts. I will be slowing down over the holidays anyway.XOXOSusan

(DIR) Post #AEZf44p5fqeQljAsOu by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:27:12Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

(DIR) Post #AEZf92magfextANEGW by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:28:06Z

0 likes, 3 repeats

(DIR) Post #AEZhBNQn5VSAPrPvHM by BennettVarsho@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:50:56Z

0 likes, 3 repeats

@SusanInVA @EarlThePearls @BigEd Keep on doing what you&#39;re doing. I think it&#39;s fantastic. You&#39;re like a big mama bird chewing up articles and spitting them into our mouths.I just read them without having to do anything. It&#39;s great. I&#39;m so lazy it works for me. Thanks, Susan.

(DIR) Post #AEZhKzIDgijKRrzUfI by BennettVarsho@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T21:52:41Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@EarlThePearls @SusanInVA @BigEd Earl, I love you for being an engineer. The fact that you make a little fun of it is just icing on the cake. Thanks for everything!

(DIR) Post #AEZlp3Uj1wRJz4QufY by DonnaLea@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T22:42:56Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@BigEd And many of us prefer to stay right here &amp; don’t want a link elsewhere. Keep up the good work @SusanInVA

(DIR) Post #AEZlzRQktLux7FWptI by DonnaLea@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T22:44:48Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA I appreciate your toots, please continue as you were. @EarlThePearls @BigEd

(DIR) Post #AEZmZtq4kP1XeEky7k by AliceInWonderland@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T22:51:23Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA @EarlThePearls @BigEd Learn a great deal from your threads &amp; toots. Keep ‘em coming!And if you’re slowing down a bit over the holidays, I wish you a festive season and will look forward to more toots in the new year.

(DIR) Post #AEZnExargze5ALDltA by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T22:58:48Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA The analogy with Jeffords and the GOP is apt here. The assumption is that Manchin would never switch parties. I still assume it is extremely unlikely. But the Dems are doing all they can to make it clear he is an obstacle, an opponent and in every way unwelcome.We have seen things that are more unlikely in the last seven years. Assuming that he does remain a Democrat, the Dems&#39; obnoxious hostility is not helpful to future negotiations of any kind

(DIR) Post #AEZokJYAD0c4C4TLFo by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T23:15:41Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@SusanInVA &quot;They were trying to pass this massive bill with the narrowest of margins in the House and Senate.&quot;Eye of a needle comes to mind.The &quot;eye of a needle&quot; is a nickname for any small (non-main) gate leading into a city (making it more easily defended).Camela is my metaphor for any overloaded fat ass that can&#39;t make through one of them.

(DIR) Post #AEZpZFSLBoNqGW2HcO by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-19T23:24:53Z

0 likes, 1 repeats

@StevenDouglas You really are clever and hilarious!

(DIR) Post #AEa0PKExe7fhhfFTN2 by TBStewart@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T01:26:13Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA @timr good

(DIR) Post #AEaBEQBOJLYsRZa8Rc by mubby@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T03:27:38Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA @timr Makes me wonder:1) How badly the likes of Manchin will get attacked by the progs, and 2) how bad the backlash will be from that

(DIR) Post #AEaELns8vqPfnyn44W by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T04:02:35Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@mubby @timr They are already out of control in attacks for Manchin.It&#39;s going to get uglier.

(DIR) Post #AEaOyGSA7G8CzdcH0S by leslied_g@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T06:01:35Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA I, for one, really appreciate your efforts Susan.. thanks and best Christmas Wishes! 🙏✨🎄✨@EarlThePearls @BigEd

(DIR) Post #AEai0ybqoUPveL9fN2 by seeker@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T09:34:58Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA @EarlThePearls @BigEd The posts of the 3 of you help my experience of SQV. Wishing you all the best.

(DIR) Post #AEbWMCV9M0sUWYKngG by mubby@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T18:59:03Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@SusanInVA @timr A LOT uglier once the prog whipping gains more speed. I really hope Manchin stays safe.

(DIR) Post #AEbbAB6TE3esU3sSga by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-12-20T19:52:54Z

0 likes, 0 repeats

@BackInBlack @SusanInVA @timr Million-dollar memegirl.