Post AEH5ChfIFGdwi9yvOS by lain@lain.com
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(DIR) Post #AEEXZYgXOz4nGnRTXM by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T16:54:16.208480Z
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(DIR) Post #AEEYFgGza2eAxxZxM8 by zonk@poa.st
2021-12-09T17:01:56.667948Z
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@lain i really can't stand soatok. if you're going to write an in-depth article about an obscure technology, please at least have the courtesy not to plaster your fucking fursona on every spare inch of space. it ruins the reading experience and turns your focus away from cryptography and onto wanting to strangle this fucking retard for breaking every single writing convention taught in high school
(DIR) Post #AEEYGxY4psFmppBDSC by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:02:10.063500Z
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@lain famed furry economist
(DIR) Post #AEEYOs76vVQWINL75c by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:03:33.765610Z
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@zonk this. at least he should have the courtesy to post inflation porn of his fursona instead of this
(DIR) Post #AEEYQEXx0Uo89wXjaS by zonk@poa.st
2021-12-09T17:03:51.096232Z
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@lain so true king
(DIR) Post #AEEYRGIvxOp5tu0e48 by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:03:59.896668Z
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@ademan the article is wild, he tries to design a non-capitalist digital currency: https://soatok.blog/2021/10/19/against-web3-and-faux-decentralization/
(DIR) Post #AEEYSiNJ4pnVFWkPNQ by mu@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:04:07.412501Z
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@ademan @lain how long before that phrase is in a real textbook?
(DIR) Post #AEEYXLASmv3Qinwhhg by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:05:06.942143Z
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@mu @lain
(DIR) Post #AEEYZsDkrtyRoTh38C by parker@leafposter.club
2021-12-09T17:05:35.233010Z
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@lain @ademan What kind of weird-ass furry is this? He's not even wearing a diaper.
(DIR) Post #AEEYacqJWs9MPO5UcS by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2021-12-09T17:05:43.244335Z
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@lain @zonk
(DIR) Post #AEEYjjZVsdQLstZYNE by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:07:20.533787Z
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@lain technology you could build without cryptocurrency.I’m sure the author doesn’t mean anything like I do, but people trying to shove things in blockchains that don’t need actually need strong global consensus does bother me.
(DIR) Post #AEEYrVEb4P5ZjbUegq by parker@leafposter.club
2021-12-09T17:08:46.329317Z
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@lain @ademan Don't they already have that with proof of humanity and UBI? Though a dead coin anyways.
(DIR) Post #AEEZBza7wuvHe9KmZM by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:12:24.704347Z
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@ademan there's lots of buzzword driven development in the crypto sphere, but I also don't agree with many of these surface level "but you can do it without crypto" articles. you can also make butter by hand, but it's better if you have a machine to help you.
(DIR) Post #AEEZE1yG2N5ldTapfs by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:12:48.803812Z
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@parker @ademan turns out "non-capitalist" systems don't work too well.
(DIR) Post #AEEZKgETG6reF4Lb96 by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:14:00.277977Z
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@lain In the United States, we’re often taught the widely-debunked “Trickle Down” theory of economics.my eyes nearly rolled out of my headthere’s no such thing as “trickle down” economics, that’s a term coined by politicians to smear bad policies proposed by other politiciansif you think market friendly economics is taught in the US (outside of economics departments) you’re from outside the US“trickle down” is also a bait and switch, because they also apply it to any vaguely market friendly policy, many of which are undeniably correct policies, yet the author claims it’s all “debunked”
(DIR) Post #AEEZTUpZ1GxVUDtvlY by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:15:37.835877Z
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@lain reading this, I’m realizing they spent more time on their furry art than on their arguments.
(DIR) Post #AEEZb2zgOr89T8EcVs by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:16:58.042230Z
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@ademan it's just the pretense of knowledge all over again. other quote by him: "In A Furry’s Guide to Cryptocurrency, I briefly mentioned that NFTs are a dumb idea and not a valid reason for anyone–but especially furries–to get involved with cryptocurrency." that is, he figured out that everyone who disagrees with him is doing something BAD and there are no excuses.
(DIR) Post #AEEZbcXwDUKNjVWyGW by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-12-09T17:17:06.972896Z
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@lain the two best ways to make sure I don't read your shit
(DIR) Post #AEEaMBuR4QjEjJGCeG by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-09T17:25:31.381153Z
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@lain Decentralized Identity Doesn’t Require Cryptocurrencyproceeds to skip over describing a decentralized identity schemeConsidering identity is literally global (universal in fact), and consensus is extremely desirable, identity is probably one of the small handful of other things I consider a valid application of blockchain…
(DIR) Post #AEEaRe3JrUfVSk14QC by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-12-09T17:26:29.993812Z
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@lain @ademan >cryptocurrency is secretly centralized and as real anarchists we can’t support centralized tech.Check out this YoUtUbE video🙃
(DIR) Post #AEEaTlv3aIUWRLAKrw by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-12-09T17:26:53.400178Z
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@lain @ademan >cryptocurrency is secretly centralized and as *real* anarchists we can't support centralized tech.>Check out this YoUtUbE video🙃
(DIR) Post #AEEaZphwPbPdvXvAcy by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-12-09T17:27:42.902724Z
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@lain @ademan I agree with the thesis (cryptocurrency is not decentralised enough) but his explanations and solutions are awful. The problem isn't just capitalism, it's any kind of centralisation. You need to live in a highly decentralist society for it to be reflected in the currency.
(DIR) Post #AEEaaUPb4i6IAWebE8 by lain@lain.com
2021-12-09T17:28:02.379973Z
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@anonymoose @ademan turns out real anarchy involves some guy planning the whole monetary system, including forced distribution.
(DIR) Post #AEEb7Lt7mr4NHz8RYe by hector@explosion.party
2021-12-09T17:33:59.989062Z
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@lain @anonymoose @ademan this blog is so stupid. Author must have brain damage from watching too much furry porn.
(DIR) Post #AEEcqXSfhiqYAVsA1Q by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-12-09T17:34:17Z
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@lainHas this furry economist heard of I2P yet, tho?@anonymoose @ademan
(DIR) Post #AEFHiMg2EJcyzPJ4hk by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T01:31:19.974418Z
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@lain @anonymoose @ademan there are forms of communism that don't involve that, apparently, but I haven't got around to reading about them. participatory economics is one
(DIR) Post #AEFIu2IDwWo5CNIYmu by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T01:44:39.766243Z
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@lainAdditionally, each commune would define its own local currency independently of the global state of the network. Exchange would be facilitated between communes, not individuals. However, within a community, they would be able to define their own rules for individuals to participate in inter-community trade. This would likely be enforced through a sort of smart contract.This sounds uncomfortably like forced collectivism, but maybe you could make a commune of one if you want to go it alone. Similar to having a single-user instance on the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AEFJ59GyKgCI210mzg by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T01:46:39.985361Z
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@lain @ademan everyone is entitled to have an opinion
(DIR) Post #AEFJIXfSwYxfSKr4PA by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-12-10T01:49:04.390863Z
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@Hyolobrika @lain @ademan >everyone is entitled to have an opinionUnless you live under communism....
(DIR) Post #AEFJjVlqV0K6Q6fI5g by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T01:53:57.099405Z
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@anonymoose @lain @ademan he also forces you to use centralised services (WordPress.com, GAAF) to sign in in order to leave a comment
(DIR) Post #AEFK84iIEbQBk7iSUy by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T01:58:21.691789Z
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@Hyolobrika it's a planned monetary system based on force from the start.
(DIR) Post #AEFKDPn1IisQYdTPJw by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T01:59:20.136016Z
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@Hyolobrika @ademan absolutely
(DIR) Post #AEFMTG6HIFqN33AD2G by Laconicif@fedi.club
2021-12-10T02:24:38.057097Z
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@anonymooseStill entitled to an opinion, but only the state approved one. @Hyolobrika @ademan @lain
(DIR) Post #AEGJh9N7087BWuviUK by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T13:28:14.261435Z
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@Laconicif @anonymoose @ademan @lain where does he argue for that form of communism?
(DIR) Post #AEGJuZ58is6B26v6zA by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T13:30:40.441503Z
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@lain force exerted by whom? remember that communism is a classless, moneyless, stateless society or a theory advocating for such, so it can’t be exerted by a government
(DIR) Post #AEGJzSQus0YTrORHUm by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T13:31:33.580037Z
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@Laconicif @anonymoose @ademan @lain where does he argue for that concept of 'communism'?
(DIR) Post #AEGKATuzglRPeSlRhY by Laconicif@fedi.club
2021-12-10T13:33:32.276019Z
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@Hyolobrika @ademan @anonymoose @lain History and reality demonstrate that form of communism.I know nothing about the furry discussed by op and I don't want to know anything about them.
(DIR) Post #AEGPhGKfilY0qKE2F6 by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T14:35:24.145592Z
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@Laconicif @ademan @anonymoose @lain If you don't want to know anything about them then you'll never find out if you are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AEGUbHMrSU2q5TDR3I by RoyalJohnny242@poa.st
2021-12-10T15:30:27.187211Z
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@MischievousTomato @pomstan @lain @zonk Why am I not surprised
(DIR) Post #AEGXJxvWmljejRrn1M by Laconicif@fedi.club
2021-12-10T16:00:55.387358Z
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@Hyolobrika I'm not obligated to consume the opinions of everyone.If you want to explain what I'm wrong about I'll listen.
(DIR) Post #AEGezNEoHfgkmiZsjQ by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-12-10T17:26:50.273683Z
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@Hyolobrika @Laconicif @ademan @lain These classless, stateless communists are not ancaps though. They insist on things like banning private property and hierarchy, and forcing workers to associate in worker co-ops. So they believe in some system that allows them to impose their policy preferences on society by force despite their claim of abolishing the state. It is not necessary to entertain each and every argument advanced by flat-earthers to conclude they are wrong.
(DIR) Post #AEGfbtuXFryN7eSvJ2 by aspie4K@aspiechattr.me
2021-12-10T17:28:49Z
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@anonymoose @Hyolobrika @Laconicif @lain @ademan Ah the old "fuck the state... unless we get to be the state."
(DIR) Post #AEGfcaXIm7wDK2vTYu by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T17:33:52.906389Z
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@Hyolobrika If these communes with this weird monetary system are formed and held up voluntarily, that would indeed be non-violent and i'd have nothing to complain. I just don't believe that really is the idea here, not least because this system would be much worse economically than a sound money system and a true free market.
(DIR) Post #AEGfdd8ObHdZfcm0GW by aspie4K@aspiechattr.me
2021-12-10T17:32:12Z
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@lain @ademan I've had the displeasure of reading that, utter cringe. Tbf tho the article just before it criticising poor encryption in Threema was a very interesting and enlightening read. Should stick to that type of content and out of poor attempts at politics and failed economics lol.
(DIR) Post #AEGhatz9gyu6yLHIGG by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T17:49:00.698960Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika What exactly does "worse economically" mean in this context?
(DIR) Post #AEGitQuW7EwmFqVajY by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T18:10:32.493124Z
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@Hyolobrika addendum:> A commune-specific percentage (which MUST BE at least 50%, up to 100%) of all incoming assets expire and disburse immediately, ensuring that the community always benefits from trade, and a wealthy nobility class doesn’t emerge via tax-evasion.The whole scheme is supposed to btfo the wealthy, so why should they voluntarily agree with it?
(DIR) Post #AEGjA2xePdSgtptdcO by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T18:13:31.439533Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika that everybody would be a lot poorer in practically any way you can imagine. The whole system is designed to make free trade and capital buildup harder (probably because the author has not read ricardo's arguments about comparative advantage), but these things make us wealthier. People understand that the economic blockades against Cuba, Iran, Korea or Russia are there to hurt them (and DO hurt them), but when you do the same against yourself and call it 'tariff', it's supposed to be very good for the community.
(DIR) Post #AEGlreUCyEefds2rUu by benis@cawfee.club
2021-12-10T18:43:53.325482Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika @loonycyborg comparative advantages are why everything was made in China and thus why we're having shortages and inflation right now
(DIR) Post #AEGpzW84KF3Zr9hBSq by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T19:30:05.502933Z
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@benis @Hyolobrika @loonycyborg economic analysis of the decade
(DIR) Post #AEGqnZV44CCQn3Jrc0 by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T18:32:46.003550Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika I don't see how it follows. Mostly because word "capital" is pretty content-free on macro-economic scale and comparisons between individuals and countries don't really work. Only stuff that is objective is movement of tangible goods and services requiring effort. Thus whether things are "planned" or "free" is secondary, not to mention that due to complexity of the system it's impossible to establish this planned/free dichotomy in general. So main indicator of "economic health" would be prevalence of waste and shortages. No particular economic system is a silver bullet solving the above, things would be way too boring otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AEGqnZveTLT07Vl63M by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T19:39:03.699324Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika "capital" is not content free at all. productive assets are 'capital'. If you have a shovel, you can dig faster than with your hands. similarly, if you have a factory that can produce computers, you can do calculations faster than on paper. But how would someone build a factory with the system described in the article? You can't save up enough money to pay people to build one because your money is being redistributed after every xth block. You can't get a loan because nobody else has the money either. You could just decide with everybody that you want to build a factory, but how would you know that that's a good use of everybody's time? What if you all build a factory for Furbies, but nobody wants a furby? You and the other people who built the factory will suffer for a while, but not long, because the money of everyone else will be distributed to you by the monetary mechanism. So there'd be a lot 'waste and shortages' in comparison with a sound money system with actual free trade, because nobody would now how to efficiently use the resources available in the economy.
(DIR) Post #AEGraPVS0nh1z6mvbc by naruciakk@kawen.space
2021-12-10T19:48:00.442833Z
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@lain Soatok is really interesting when he writes about the cryptography and a complete ignorant in almost everything else (maybe not in furry stuff, but I'm not an expert).
(DIR) Post #AEGrgbpF7dgtvh09lg by naruciakk@kawen.space
2021-12-10T19:49:07.166056Z
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@zonk @lain tbh, his fursona is pretty funny
(DIR) Post #AEGtx78afk5haG36oa by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T19:56:46.542150Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika You just described how subjective capital is. People will never agree what is worth doing and what isn't. Consequently value of particular things is also dependent on what allowed and what isn't. Even apparent free market system is coercive in nature because not everyone's ideas about what is worth doing are equal. So I feel there is no inherent difference between two coercive systems. While in practice things will work
(DIR) Post #AEGtx7mII7qlZOcohU by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T20:14:23.979973Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika > Even apparent free market system is coercive in nature because not everyone's ideas about what is worth doing are equal.if you can't see the difference between voluntary exchange between individuals and a planned economy because you think that they are both coercive than i don't think we'll find much common ground to talk about.
(DIR) Post #AEGuNnZNX8ISiJIrCa by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T20:19:17.266654Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika and to be clear, if the people in these communes with this furry-designed monetary system really value the supposed decentralization and equality that it gives so much that they are preferring it over things that people usually want (like more free time, an abundance of goods, a higher standard of living), then there's no issue. It's not irrational to join the Amish or a kibbutz, if that's what you really want. But I don't think the author of the article thinks that his monetary system would be 'less efficient' in the everyday sense of the word.
(DIR) Post #AEGxo930bLPWiZPue8 by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T20:30:02.058525Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika For vast majority of the people nowadays monetary system is purely coercive, wage slavery etc. It's not about "common ground". That's how most people live.
(DIR) Post #AEGxo9YCjMMeHK0pGq by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T20:57:36.891317Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika well yeah, the current monetary system is a centrally planned money like the article wants, just with different distribution characteristics.
(DIR) Post #AEH05MJiibqWhhZNh2 by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T21:21:50.604600Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika Because true free market is as unattainable as true communism.
(DIR) Post #AEH05MkJ7l762A0c8O by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T21:23:07.247609Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika why? we used to have sound money before, when all the world was on the gold standard. Then states started forcing people to use their fiat money, mainly so that they could finance wars.
(DIR) Post #AEH093wcy82IsgXBdA by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-12-10T21:23:55.073248Z
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@lain @loonycyborg @Hyolobrika based and rothbard pilled
(DIR) Post #AEH0Woj5CbQsdEWfWS by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T21:27:32.838079Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika In times of gold standard most people were serfs or slaves. So that's true for very small value of "we".
(DIR) Post #AEH0WpAjXnYC0zSkca by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T21:28:04.597501Z
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@loonycyborg @Hyolobrika the gold standard in the US was abolished under nixon
(DIR) Post #AEH1G7nT9102oHBKqW by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2021-12-10T21:36:22.953893Z
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@lain @Hyolobrika @loonycyborg Wow, are you debating a 13yr old? The likely think Nixon is a fictional character BTW.
(DIR) Post #AEH2uwBzIJvoe7fuzo by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2021-12-10T21:37:24.673297Z
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@thendrix @Hyolobrika @lain Yes, he's one of talking heads from Futurama.
(DIR) Post #AEH3b8wuFtqMNBkKJs by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T22:02:35.588289Z
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@anonymoose @Laconicif @ademan @lain Interesting. Can you link to where one of them says that?
(DIR) Post #AEH40SSMreHY77X6gq by Hyolobrika@fedi.club
2021-12-10T22:07:10.059055Z
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@lain Maybe he's using "must" in the way that technical specs use must, to mean "if it is not, it is not compliant and probably will not interoperate" not in the sense of "it will be mandated using force"?
(DIR) Post #AEH45Qbv9evppwN5LE by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T22:08:00.590940Z
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@Hyolobrika again, if all is voluntary, i have no complaints. I still think the result would not be what the author thinks it would be.
(DIR) Post #AEH4of881CmZtp0Ops by mu@thebag.social
2021-12-10T22:15:58.403851Z
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@ademan @lain
(DIR) Post #AEH4rAD7QtsAsBX4dM by ademan@thebag.social
2021-12-10T22:16:41.507190Z
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@mu @lain I can’t wait to have a furry governor in Texas
(DIR) Post #AEH5ChfIFGdwi9yvOS by lain@lain.com
2021-12-10T22:20:32.245405Z
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@ademan @mu > My second paleofur “find”, while less certain, was a huge shock. It was Winston Churchill—you may’ve heard of him. While I’ve covered the subject in some depth elsewhere, I’ll point out quickly that he owned and loved to play with children in a fursuit (gorilla), exchanged what looks very much like modern furry RP letters with his wife all the way down to her playing a cat and he a dog
(DIR) Post #AEHG1QI5bKA58Vx5Ae by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-12-11T00:21:48.019537Z
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@Hyolobrika @Laconicif @ademan @lain https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/