Post ADk632xHi58A0EXfvs by mithrandir@raru.re
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(DIR) Post #ADk52KC22D9RDmX2US by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:13:14.429686Z
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Which book is the communist pill book to read? I thought it was the communist manifesto before since that comes with the name.
(DIR) Post #ADk5DBh9yCw43DGtwe by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:15:10Z
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@sim the commiepill is looking at for the world is right now and realizing what we're doing isn't working
(DIR) Post #ADk5KtTtZaLPsUk3dI by tai@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:16:36.507352Z
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@vriska @sim that's just the anything other than this please-pill
(DIR) Post #ADk5Nraf3l5OslK3iy by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:17:08.671936Z
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@sim you get converted by the messianic promise not by any text, most communists don't read marx
(DIR) Post #ADk5c6mDOTzW2IWFpA by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:19:41.972228Z
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@vriska I'm not sure that is converting me right now. I can see that what we are doing isn't working.
(DIR) Post #ADk5foXz73Goeld8Zk by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:20:23.267159Z
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@vriska @sim and then you think a bit harder and also realize the commie solution doesn't work and we need to think of something else
(DIR) Post #ADk5hj3cUigmD3L4Ge by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:20:44.000300Z
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@tai @vriska Haha... yeah. Things are so shit and people gravitate to the big movements of the day it seems.
(DIR) Post #ADk5o7xeocoHBWbPai by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:21:53.441534Z
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@orekix Oh... I guess I'll have to study the messianic promise instead. That is somehow disappointing.
(DIR) Post #ADk5sheK4O5l1njysq by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:22:40Z
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@sim it's time for a Communism flavored change
(DIR) Post #ADk5vrLIUHKhxYLYRM by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:23:16Z
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@orekix @sim Cuba is the best country on earth but yeah you are right too
(DIR) Post #ADk60fpOj2TdhCinjM by tai@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:24:08.851512Z
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@sim @vriska If you need to join something, I'm starting a highly politically charged movement where the sole goal is to popularize posh tea or other plant infusion related gatherings again
(DIR) Post #ADk632xHi58A0EXfvs by mithrandir@raru.re
2021-11-25T00:17:48Z
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@sim honestly the communist manifesto isn't very well written IMO.Conquest of Bread (specifically the first few chapters) was what really convinced me that communism is both necessary, and the only sensible way to run society.
(DIR) Post #ADk633Ow3HFTNzTl20 by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:24:33.848807Z
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@mithrandir With a name like Conquest of Bread, I actually can't tell if this is serious or not. Oh no.
(DIR) Post #ADk6A57e3ETukck6c4 by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:25:51.507643Z
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@sim @mithrandir it's terrible, all the practical aspects of the society is to be ran are never answered in it, Kropotkin just sets a goal of establishing why communism is necessary and says anything and everything to prove it
(DIR) Post #ADk6CT3A3kplXZmcAi by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:26:17.413535Z
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@vriska @sim Cuba sucks ass, can't even travel freely within it
(DIR) Post #ADk6Nu0WAmzkKh00zA by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:28:21.350654Z
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@vriska @sim idk why you're so enthralled on atheistic communist societies since you consider yourself a catholic, the problem with radical left-wing ideas not working runs deeper than just not being able to run the economy
(DIR) Post #ADk6UMZmrqscfuZpUe by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:29:28Z
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@orekix @sim what about Cuba isn't working that can't be explained by trade embargo?
(DIR) Post #ADk6wZHrCclMCmdhrs by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:34:37.248433Z
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@orekix @vriska Now that I think about it, I think that I went through a communist-like utopia in my youth briefly. Didn't have that name for it then. It just sounded really nice to have my own island with others who agreed with this way of life that meant we could do our own things to support the community. I was disillusioned with society and capitalism at the time. Ahhh, that sweet Leftist indoctrination. Almost had me in the arms of communism. Except that I would have told the leaders of communism to GTFO my island commune.
(DIR) Post #ADk6yYBOHNftMLYmMi by xue@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:34:58.792514Z
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@orekix @sim @vriska everyone has a story, vriska has one also. In that sense she isnt much different from poast users
(DIR) Post #ADk7BWUJtKXTrsbFUe by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:37:18.882894Z
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@vriska Hasn't that been tried not long ago? Seemed to have the same issues as globalism.
(DIR) Post #ADk7SG2uHBN9nRl0sK by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:40:18Z
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@sim tried and faced with sanctions from the "United" """"nations""""Globalism killed communism
(DIR) Post #ADk7YjqOOsDvx2zhBI by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:41:31.198507Z
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@vriska @sim low wages where highly skilled jobs are paid poorer than a taxi driver or prostitute, you'll survive but you won't eat like you can even in developing countries with more economic freedomthat's just for the material stuff, consider that it is an awfully low trust society too
(DIR) Post #ADk7kD7fsnVlwXY2KW by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:43:35.516825Z
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@tai @vriska Are you bringing back the tea party? I don't drink tea but I'd drink to that.
(DIR) Post #ADk7w1IHgiwKjQ8qUi by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:45:43.603925Z
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@orekix @mithrandir Aww... why are they always so elusive with the sweet details we actually want to know?
(DIR) Post #ADk84w2oZi9H3a9neq by tai@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:47:20.359189Z
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@sim @vriska Just bringing back the tea party, not The Tea Party
(DIR) Post #ADk89zHVy0t0XoRSWe by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:48:15.107153Z
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@sim @mithrandir because they only know that communism is "supposed" to fulfill human needs, they just have no idea of how it's going to run, it's why the societies turn despotic, all they know is that it has to fulfill human needs so it matters little whether people accept it or not
(DIR) Post #ADk8Yuhq7CxJardnYe by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T00:52:43Z
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@orekix @sim yet everyone survives...
(DIR) Post #ADk8rRjK4VrFECAhtI by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T00:56:04.794010Z
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@sim @mithrandir I conquered some bread and made a sandwich earlier today
(DIR) Post #ADk8s1JLmYTNa4ITPE by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:56:12.017666Z
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@vriska That wouldn't surprise me. I was more thinking about how it wasn't content to remain within its own borders and had to spread out. In that sense, it became globalist.
(DIR) Post #ADk99DeT9YlSmGNOK0 by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:59:19.090162Z
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@vriska @sim ask the people that leave it for the US why they do it :cirnothinking:
(DIR) Post #ADk9AxDbDtRWOCdSQy by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T00:59:37.862836Z
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@tai @vriska Don't worry, I know you meant lower case tea party! I've wanted to bring those back too. Maybe one day.
(DIR) Post #ADk9EJVsmteqP8mzoG by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T01:00:11Z
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@orekix @sim because Castro killed their slave owning grandparents
(DIR) Post #ADk9MfhUBEj3X8CZoO by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T01:01:44.933599Z
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@vriska @sim right, not the desire to strive, acquire things that Cuba can't deliver and have more freedom
(DIR) Post #ADk9TeEO2djL0Gux4S by vriska@lizards.live
2021-11-25T01:02:58Z
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@orekix @sim the Cuban people strive for the freedom of 500 dollar insulin
(DIR) Post #ADk9bLbbAuirYORiyW by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T01:04:24.062332Z
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@orekix @mithrandir I suppose that would make sense. Would actually be great to find a text that writes about the details though, as futile as that might be.
(DIR) Post #ADk9foHeUYM7ekFCqG by genmaicha@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T01:05:11.640160Z
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@vriska @orekix @sim that's a reddit-tier talking point honestly; there are plenty of cuban emigres who had nothing to do with slavery
(DIR) Post #ADkANNhEhihvwFzHDE by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T01:13:04.880771Z
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@newt @mithrandir What a coincidence, I conquered some bread earlier too!
(DIR) Post #ADkAYb1TUsqySHnkkS by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T01:15:02.728782Z
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@sim @mithrandir what was yours? I made a salmon sandwich with some cream cheese, dried tomatoes, and arugula :blobfoxnomshoe:
(DIR) Post #ADkAo8mEHZRzUA5Bp2 by clacke@libranet.de
2021-11-25T01:01:10Z
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@sim @vriska The theme song is "The International" after all.
(DIR) Post #ADkAo9H4Qu7X1oVotU by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T01:17:53.034709Z
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@clacke @vriska Oof. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm interested in international communism.
(DIR) Post #ADkBLjZqTsE7AxJDDE by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T01:23:59.337401Z
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@newt @mithrandir Quite boring so I won't go into it.
(DIR) Post #ADkLMT6oC6hvvniS9I by mithrandir@raru.re
2021-11-25T03:04:04Z
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@orekix @sim>all they know is that it has to fulfill human needs so it matters little whether people accept it or notExcept that typically communist revolutions happen only with massive popular support. If you mean to criticize how those revolutions frequently turn into power grabs, you would be firmly in league with many communists. Kropotkin himself refused to participate in the Bolshevik government and was highly critical of it almost from the very start.
(DIR) Post #ADkLMTTqoR8h5GUr44 by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T03:16:09.699237Z
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@mithrandir @sim > Except that typically communist revolutions happen only with massive popular support.not exactly, like the bolsheviks had a lot of pushback from peasants and committed some really brutal stuff on the people they were supposed to have support from(kronstandt and tambov rebellion most notably), also the revolutions usually don't gain massive support for communist slogans, they do so for the desire for peace as in russia and china(bread, peace and land for the peasants was the slogan from the bolsheviks)> If you mean to criticize how those revolutions frequently turn into power grabs, you would be firmly in league with many communistsI thought that too once, that the whole anarcho-commie stuff was different from the marxist/bolshevik type but it really isn't, the discourse is no less bloody and ruthlessand that's the thing, Kropotkin criticized the bolsheviks for that, and they just called him a lib, but Kropotkin doesn't realize that the seed of "stalinism" are in his own writings too, what Kropotkin simply represented was one of the recurring "not real communism" cliches of trying to disassociate once things get bloody and messy, note that Lenin didn't walk away from terror until it was clear that the country couldn't run just on thatI've come to the conclusion that the issue with these movements lies deeper than just trying to change ownership of the means of production, specially on those that claim things to be "inevitable"(which many bolsheviks thought)
(DIR) Post #ADl16S2SbLma3Oj8bo by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T11:03:53.074028Z
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@mithrandir @orekix How does it not turn into a power grab? Revolutions create a vacuum and somebody will fill that.
(DIR) Post #ADl2UQyCKIxZdwjVaq by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T11:19:21.984161Z
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@sim @mithrandir @orekix the problem isn't exactly the vacuum. It's the destruction of existing public institutions and trust put into them.Many people believe that democracy, free market, and all those things are a natural state of human society, but they are not. All these institutions require massive trust in that everyone plays by the rules and they are hard to create and ever harder to maintain in the long run. This is why corruption is still so prevalent in western societies.If you destroy "capitalists" with their free markets, these institutions go away too because that trust is broken. What's left is the soil for tyranny, which every communist country becomes. It's a lot easier to maintain order through sheer force and trying to find consensus between multiple parties that don't agree with each other.
(DIR) Post #ADl2pf7auGQ7cBFawi by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T11:23:12.943136Z
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@sim @mithrandir @orekix another problem is that many, if not most people don't want communism. I.e. they don't want their property taken away, they don't want to give away the most of their income, and they don't want to be told what to do.This is why every communist country turns into a tyranny. Things just can't work otherwise. And as we all have learned the hard way during the past two years, power corrupts people.
(DIR) Post #ADl3o2ubaCeKm5y5Uu by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T11:34:10.455164Z
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@newt @mithrandir @orekix Those are some compelling arguments. As we can see, those same institutions have been eroded even now. Probably why we are in a low trust society. I wonder why communists in recent times really think that communism hasn't worked. Have they noticed these arguments?
(DIR) Post #ADl3xxFlTcP47Waeiu by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T11:35:54.814854Z
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@sim @orekix @mithrandir most communists aren’t very smart, sim. They just want the paradise they were promised by commissars :comfyeyes:
(DIR) Post #ADl4JcIi3fkJVZITGi by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T11:39:52.786537Z
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@newt @mithrandir @orekix Is it too much to hope for some smart communists? I mean, somehow they attracted the intelligent class...
(DIR) Post #ADl4U7jq1rG7uDzpR2 by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T11:41:46.749214Z
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@sim @newt @mithrandir > attracted the intelligent classthey're all intellectuals yet idiots
(DIR) Post #ADl4jjZhdUJvb6hP1s by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T11:44:31.982260Z
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@sim @mithrandir @orekix oh this is a curious phenomenon. Does the term clockwork society ring a bell? Anyway, lots of intelligent people think they can solve society problems through technical means and clever lawmaking. You know, the kind of people who while being smart, also think if they were in charge, they would definitely make things right this time.Tough luck..By the way you can see this not just among communists. Bitcoin is the prime example of trying to solve money purely through tech and how this failed miserably. Granted, nobody ended up in gulags.
(DIR) Post #ADl4lXR3jzxGWjW56e by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T11:44:55.491298Z
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@orekix @mithrandir @newt A fair number of them are degenerates too. The standards of the intellectuals is sus.
(DIR) Post #ADl6WIVTAD3Tn4RJdw by OscillatingAgama@gleasonator.com
2021-11-25T12:04:33.627487Z
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@newt >failed miserablyWhat makes you thinking that bitcoin is worse than gold?@mithrandir @orekix @sim
(DIR) Post #ADl9Y1WdZOgBZ9V5rU by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T12:38:30.678680Z
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@newt @mithrandir @orekix I'm not familiar with the term, no. But it is interesting that people seem to think that technology is the answer... but then, when you don't have community, what else is there?
(DIR) Post #ADl9j4Bk0dyn0hzZtQ by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T12:40:30.413977Z
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@OscillatingAgama @newt @mithrandir @orekix Considering we moved off the gold standard some time ago, probably almost anything is better than what we have now.
(DIR) Post #ADl9yTG15NqN6WKye0 by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T12:43:13.857225Z
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@sim @mithrandir @orekix violence, of course. If you can't convince people that your way is superiour, how else would you make them work along it?
(DIR) Post #ADlA44G0wr1VJ00NJg by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T12:44:13.617371Z
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@OscillatingAgama @mithrandir @orekix @sim worse for what? As an exchange medium? Gold failed at that too, just a lot earlier.
(DIR) Post #ADlBbCuhsw3tfAP9ai by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-25T13:01:29.718935Z
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@newt @mithrandir @orekix True. It seems they often used violence and tried to send dissenters elsewhere.
(DIR) Post #ADlGx6oriuTcu5w3Qe by OscillatingAgama@gleasonator.com
2021-11-25T14:01:27.953536Z
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@newt As a liquid property. At least more liquid than land :-). The medium of exchange is simply a function of liquid property. And property is always a hassle.@mithrandir @orekix @sim
(DIR) Post #ADlH54AXSfkH04rp9k by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-25T14:02:48.088474Z
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@OscillatingAgama @mithrandir @sim @orekix if you want liquid property, buy a bottle of water :comfywater: