Post ADfGduf4n0WeKUtr6G by richard@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #ADdCBoPLeu4gh1y6ZU by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T16:30:22Z
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Deleted all my tweets related to #spanking. Not worth the risk that Twitter might actually be leftist enough to ban someone over it (and searching online found what appears to be them doing just that).If you want to continue the discussion here, please keep in mind the topic isn't "when or if you should spank" but "whether a parent who does spank should be put in jail and/or have their children kidnapped".
(DIR) Post #ADdLfBU7pxEwFbHdSq by prayank@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T18:16:33Z
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@lukedashjrShort: NoLong: I have experienced this in my childhood since my dad was in air force and most of the people who are in defence here generally believe there is nothing wrong with it.This affected me on lot of occasions. Not because I am leftist. I don't care about left or right. But few things could be avoided if you care about mental health of your kids.I know everyone is different but most did not change anything because of spanking infact they learnt new ways to do it.
(DIR) Post #ADdLtJyv2kNMemQb56 by blackcoffee@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T18:19:06Z
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@lukedashjr imo it teaches children that violence is an appropriate response to frustration. It taught me this and took years to unlearn. I'd never hit my children.
(DIR) Post #ADdO5WnZPqAXn74HLs by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T18:43:43Z
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@blackcoffee Spanking is not a response to frustration, and "violence" is absolutely an appropriate response to someone doing something actually wrong.
(DIR) Post #ADdPa4tJKCBEAXssvw by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T19:00:27Z
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@prayank Not sure what you're saying.Do you want to imprison or kidnap children from any parent who spanks?
(DIR) Post #ADdPeykHbLaeYZzy4G by prayank@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-21T19:01:19Z
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@lukedashjr No. Thats why short answer was no. Long answer was to give some context and my opinion on this topic.
(DIR) Post #ADe6fianRIwqmH9zwu by SiFi@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-22T03:03:17Z
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@lukedashjr Just ask yourself: what would happen to a parent who 'spanked' another adult? Violence against children is wrong. If an adult can't negotiate with a child they're not capable of parenting.
(DIR) Post #ADe6pos8wimZ9M5gtk by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-22T03:05:06Z
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@SiFi It's not comparable. A better analogy would be if the State spanked a criminal. Which is fine, and used to be common.Also, young children haven't developed the use of reason yet, and, like animals, can only understand simple, direct cause->effect relationships.
(DIR) Post #ADe7B1Xj22neWpeS8m by SiFi@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-22T03:08:57Z
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@lukedashjr It's perfectly comparable. I know a lot of adults who haven't developed the use of reason yet. It's a parent's job to teach such values, not to inflict pain and suffering.
(DIR) Post #ADedlZfgokmzKmqhwe by cddze77in@mastodon.online
2021-11-22T09:14:05Z
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@lukedashjr Depends on if someone's property rights has been violated and if victim want to persuade the punishment. Also punishment should be proportional to the crime.If the child voices that their property right to their scare resource (body) was violated, the child may demand the compensation and/or punishment for the perpetrator (both proportional to the crime). There clearly shouldn't be any jail or kidnappings of the child imposed by external authority.
(DIR) Post #ADf8hnp3MMP6dxuVA8 by richard@fosstodon.org
2021-11-22T15:00:46Z
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@lukedashjr Spanking is cowardly, however should not be punished by jail or removal of children. The cowards should be spanked. How can violence against someone who is defenceless ever be justified? I am an anarchist, not leftist.
(DIR) Post #ADfEi69hnTqPEB5uwC by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-22T16:08:04Z
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@richard Anarchy is leftist.
(DIR) Post #ADfGduf4n0WeKUtr6G by richard@fosstodon.org
2021-11-22T16:29:42Z
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@lukedashjr Not the msm version of anarchy. Left is all about bullying via the force of rulers. Anarchy is about no rulers. No one legitimately has authority over another.
(DIR) Post #ADfrlm8065PyU52cUa by cddze77in@mastodon.online
2021-11-22T23:25:43Z
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@lukedashjr @richard Wrong.Anarchy is not left nor right. Anarchy is the state (of individual or society) where no one is ruled by some other human. Anarchy is from greek /anarchos/ meaning literally "without ruler".And that is anarchy. Nothing more. There is no politics in that term. No left or right (and btw, "left/right" is pretty shitty way how to do taxonomy on political views).
(DIR) Post #ADfs2Fz8rBaPiYkyZc by lukedashjr@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-11-22T23:28:42Z
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@cddze77in @richard "Without ruler" is indeed a leftist ideal.The correct order of human civilization is hierarchical. Every man subject to another.
(DIR) Post #ADfszIwvTm7FzqsOtU by ademan@thebag.social
2021-11-22T23:39:22.910658Z
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@lukedashjr There are plenty of hierarchies that don’t involve “ruler”s.@cddze77in @richard
(DIR) Post #ADgVdzLB5NTBJP2wiG by cddze77in@mastodon.online
2021-11-23T06:52:26Z
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@lukedashjr @richard Hierarchy is not limited just to the coercive relationships (aka rule). Hierarchy is just some topology of relationships an may (and often is) voluntary. Hierarchy in corporation is an example of such topology.
(DIR) Post #ADgW1s3JpmAVet55zU by cddze77in@mastodon.online
2021-11-23T06:56:44Z
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@lukedashjr @richard Whats is leftist or rightist is such diluted, emptied and fuzzy term, that for me has no meaning.Often, when ppl say "leftist" means socialist, but sometime also progressive. But both are values on a different scale of things. This leads to total mess and confusion. I suggest to completely avoid the left/right labels. They are misleading.
(DIR) Post #ADh6YMkepOs0UD99fc by stevenroose@x0f.org
2021-11-23T13:45:45Z
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@cddze77in @lukedashjr @richard FWIW, I think anarchism is generally considered a leftist, meaning progressive.Luke's comment on hierarchy is obviously bullshit.But anarchism is not so much explicitly against hierarchy, it's more about illegitimate authority. The thing is that illegitimate authority usually manifests itself in the form of (illegitimate) hierarchies.Hierarchies in today's corporations are almost always illegitimate as well, so they need to be enforced by the judiciary.
(DIR) Post #ADh7JUlkptwsxm8I3U by stevenroose@x0f.org
2021-11-23T13:54:32Z
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@cddze77in @lukedashjr @richard FWIW, I think anarchism is generally considered a leftist, meaning progressive.Luke's comment on hierarchy is obviously bullshit.But anarchism is not so much explicitly against hierarchy, it's more about illegitimate authority. The thing is that illegitimate authority usually manifests itself in the form of (illegitimate) hierarchies.Hierarchies in today's corporations are almost always illegitimate as well, so they need to be enforced by the judiciary.