Post ADT8hmzfLCAVEJh14i by edwardloveall@mastodon.technology
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(DIR) Post #ADSt4YJOUkjx5ZkkKG by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T17:01:27Z
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It's been exactly one year since FediTips began! :blobcatbirthday: 🎂 Do you have any particular Fediverse-related topics you want more info about? Any requests?Let me know by replying below...In the meantime, let's enjoy this avant garde synth birthday song (and no, this isn't me and it wasn't made for FediTips, but it's on the Fediverse so that's a good enough reason to share it!):https://v.basspistol.org/w/101df8d6-80ed-4134-b12a-12e3c0792947#FediTips #Birthday #HappyBirthday
(DIR) Post #ADSt6H2Pgpjc5tdCDI by stux@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T17:09:15Z
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@feditips Congratz! 🥳 🎉 And hopefully a lot more years! ♥️
(DIR) Post #ADT8hmzfLCAVEJh14i by edwardloveall@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T17:32:20Z
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@feditips Is there a federated alternative to Craigslist?
(DIR) Post #ADT8hnbb4AVf7xRJCK by r000t@ligma.pro
2021-11-16T20:04:13Z
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@edwardloveallBBS systems @feditips
(DIR) Post #ADT8hoT7r9KNnyU3dI by edwardloveall@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T17:33:45Z
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@feditips I should be more clear. I'm looking for a place to sell my used stuff. So Craigslist is a good option for local selling, ebay would be a good option for global selling.
(DIR) Post #ADTB1mQFNGhL9rmnNw by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T20:13:16Z
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@edwardloveall @feditips There are alternatives to organize events, like #mobilizon and OpenKi https://openki.net/ , but apart from blockchain based stuff I don't know any.Could be legally challenging to self-host a craigslist-like platform involving real money and also it requires high levels of admin fu to manage and moderate.
(DIR) Post #ADTB1n4IyKjzA6Wmp6 by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T20:17:43Z
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@edwardloveall @feditips There is a French grassroots community working on their free software crypto, it's the closest I can think of https://monnaie-libre.fr/ #Äź1 There is also a similar project in the US, trying to remember the name.
(DIR) Post #ADTB1nav14pQnFmpeq by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T20:30:53.356264Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall @feditips you are thinking of #CirclesUBI https://joincircles.net/also crypto is real money. or at any rate it's no less real than bank account moneyidk what you mean by "free software crypto". aren't pretty much all cryptocurrency projects licensed that way?
(DIR) Post #ADTBGwMWhSFmKXH65g by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T20:33:39.073367Z
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@edwardloveall @feditips #Epicyon has a gift economy / barter feature built in that I haven't used. probably not what you want although maybe in a pinch it can be used as Craigslist or eBay. idk
(DIR) Post #ADTEcKktVBkBvZZ7D6 by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T20:44:40Z
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@Hyolobrika @edwardloveall @feditips Yes, Circles, that was it. In many countries bank money is still more heavily regulated than crypto, and unless you're selling drugs, weapons, illegal services, I believe transactions will fly under the radar regarding taxes and other regulations.You're right about them being free software, but not community controlled afaik. Idk about circles, but duniter people have democratic decision processes regarding the currency.
(DIR) Post #ADTEcLM7GnWBn0yqEC by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T20:47:51Z
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@jcast @Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live @edwardloveall I would advise not replying to Hyolobrika, they have been blocked by this instance.
(DIR) Post #ADTEcLqxQ8BjKfPTIe by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T20:54:23Z
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@feditips @edwardloveall Why? Which instance? Do I get Covid if I reply?
(DIR) Post #ADTEcMNZSsHAxofW8O by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T21:03:53Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall The counter.fedi.live instance.I don't think you will get covid, but be warned that it is a so-called "free speech" instance (i.e. hate speech is allowed).
(DIR) Post #ADTEcMvFRfDMeGQPcu by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T21:10:04Z
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@feditips @edwardloveall Hmm... ok. But why should I not reply? Something bad will happen to me?
(DIR) Post #ADTEcNPNddJk9iWTaq by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:11:06.451380Z
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@jcast @feditips @edwardloveall nothing bad will happen to you. they are just being hysterical
(DIR) Post #ADTEsrR9lBzbvBDKFc by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:14:07.173299Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall @feditips the 'side' of the fediverse that you are on tends to block and ban people and instences for stupid and/or spurious reasons. your instance blocks another one for 'misinformation' for example, and I was banned from mastodon.org.uk for disagreeing with someone (politely!) that a YouTuber was a fascist
(DIR) Post #ADTFG5kmhJJez3TKlc by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:18:19.247703Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall @feditips I'm not sure what you mean. transactions in what will fly under the radar regarding taxes and other regulations unless you're selling drugs, weapons and/or illegal services? crypto or bank money?also, it's cool that Duniter is democratic that way. I didn't know that!
(DIR) Post #ADTFYpKNzadjXg3ewi by edwardloveall@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T21:11:40Z
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@jcast @feditips I think the idea is that many users on that instance are bad actors. Since many people (myself included) would like to keep the Fediverse a nice place, we try not to encourage those bad actors. The "bad thing that will happen" is encouraging those bad actors to be a part of the community.
(DIR) Post #ADTFYppw6HsR7Wor7g by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T21:13:02Z
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@edwardloveall @feditips Yes but if you're excluding someone who gave a meaningful contribution to a conversation based on not encouraging them to be bad actors what does that make of you?
(DIR) Post #ADTFbJHtZc9T2Y4qRc by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:22:09.130635Z
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@edwardloveall @jcast @feditips who are the bad actors on counter.fedi.live? am I a bad actor?
(DIR) Post #ADTFzMCSOgjB1S03TE by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T21:20:19Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall They have been blocked but their software ignores the block. This is disrespectful to people's choices.But it's also just not a good idea to engage with people who are acting in bad faith.I know it sounds noble in theory, but in practice all that happens is bad stuff. Bad faith actors have no interest in other people's needs or opinions, so talking with them goes nowhere except to really bad places.
(DIR) Post #ADTFzMkUM9wwizvEW0 by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:26:29.757178Z
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@feditips @jcast @edwardloveall what do you mean by "our software ignores the block"? what should it do? how am I acting in bad faith? do I get to say a word in my/our defense or am I blocked from doing that too?
(DIR) Post #ADTGBzcle01ClnKcgi by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:28:47.143186Z
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@edwardloveall @feditips @jcast have you blocked or muted me already?
(DIR) Post #ADTGQkBRKoptE0aDcu by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T21:28:44Z
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@Hyolobrika @edwardloveall @feditips I think if you set up a marketplace site using bank money in most places you'll have to respond to tax authorities and legal requirements quicker than if you're using crypto.
(DIR) Post #ADTGRQNyQbok72lozg by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2021-11-16T21:30:55.073304Z
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@feditips @jcast @edwardloveall Better ban my instance too since I'm not going to act like anyone's dad.We can have two fediverses: The free fediverse where you might see ideas you don't like but you're safe from thought police deciding your specific thoughts are verboten today, and the fediverse for people who only oppose big tech because they aren't the ones silencing all dissent.@fediblock I'm still waiting for you to add me to your list too!
(DIR) Post #ADTGWmNm4WvVmZELmC by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T21:32:32.543748Z
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@jcast @edwardloveall @feditips that makes more sense. the syntax seemed to imply that you were saying that about fiat
(DIR) Post #ADTGZWBElfuQOufjpw by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T21:31:59Z
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@feditips @edwardloveall I've interacted with @Hyolobrika before and never had any trouble,, or felt offended in any way.Maybe you don't agree with each other ideologically but why would @feditips have to derail a sound conversation based on that?
(DIR) Post #ADTS8az3zzvmvjuHom by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-16T23:41:57.601077Z
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@jcast @feditips @Hyolobrika @edwardloveall it’s all guilt by association. For example, our instance (stereophonic.space) is blocked by some because we don’t not block those whom they block. If this makes sense to you. Some people just try to wall themselves off and control with whom their users may or may not engage in conversations.Because of all this, it makes sense to have several accounts on various instances to be able to interact with people you find interesting, even if the admin of your favorite instance thinks you shouldn’t.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRHaKLdnmGeFOfg by KolokokoBird@social.chinwag.org
2021-11-16T22:26:32Z
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@feditips @jcast @edwardloveall People who have the energy and patience to engage with those who are “acting in bad faith” may as well do that if they are so inclined. Because who knows? Respectful conversation may change an opinion. I am grateful for so many people over the years who took the time to converse with me and change my opinions.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRI9mDq9s2aphvU by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T22:31:59Z
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@KolokokoBird @feditips @edwardloveall I subscribe even if unfortunately that sounds like a 2019 idea. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_n_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc
(DIR) Post #ADTSRIfKKXOZcRau6S by KolokokoBird@social.chinwag.org
2021-11-16T22:51:32Z
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@jcast @feditips @edwardloveall Thank you for this link! I was thinking about that story, and planned to go search for it.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRJ9SWVUx7tgy4O by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:23:19Z
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@KolokokoBird @jcast @edwardloveall That's not quite the same thing.Befriending someone in real life, face to face, is totally different to responding to an anonymous online troll. The rules are different, the social pressures, the consequences of abusive behaviour etc.The dynamics online are totally different, and far less likely to work."Respectful conversation may change an opinion"...only if both people are acting in good faith. Defying a block to post on someone's thread is not a sign of good faith.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRJakt1KgUYSlcG by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T23:29:22Z
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@feditips @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall @Hyolobrika What do you call excluding someone from a conversation that had been respectful up to that point?
(DIR) Post #ADTSRK3TAGIjvbthNA by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:31:28Z
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@jcast @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall @Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live It's not about what they say in that particular conversation, it's about how they got into the conversation.If you break into someone's house it doesn't matter how respectfully you behave once you are there.As we are all free to change instances, we have to respect each others' right to block.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRKXbMEP7R3zlL6 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:32:45Z
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@jcast @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall I wouldn't be saying any of this if they were replying to someone else's thread.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRL0JdTNAs7Qh60 by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T23:34:02Z
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@feditips @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall Ok so you blocked @Hyolobrika on your account?
(DIR) Post #ADTSRLU5qlByMTMTVg by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:36:10Z
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@jcast @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall @Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live They were suspended from this instance, presumably because they are on an instance that allows hate speech.I fully agree with that stance, that's why I have an account on mstdn.social.Whether you agree with that or not, the choice to do so should be respected. Otherwise we come up against issues of consent etc.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRM0LuozpyWSEnA by jcast@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T23:40:12Z
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@feditips @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall Well it seems they aren't blocked from all instances so you still interact. I'm not sure if that's a bug or a feature. It's the internet I guess.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRMSiDNgJOTiszo by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:42:03Z
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@jcast @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall I am guessing the platform they use simply ignores blocks.The platforms I use don't.It is technically possible to respect blocks.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRMvmTIvwqdK6Iy by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-16T23:45:16.707395Z
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@feditips @KolokokoBird @jcast @edwardloveall last I remember, Mastodon didn’t federate blocks, so there is no way for counter.fedi to respect instance blocks in any way. But I may be wrong in this regard.
(DIR) Post #ADTSRN6loRixOiSsQy by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:39:49Z
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@jcast @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall Just to give an example, I have accounts on large instances.There are some people I wanted to message, but I was unable due to them refusing to federate with large instances.I did not try to circumvent these blocks in any way, I just respected their choice to not communicate with large instances.
(DIR) Post #ADTSTtmJJje3Ij6FqC by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-11-16T22:40:03Z
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@jcast @feditips @edwardloveall I've interacted with @Hyolobrika and have, actually, found some of the stuff they've said quite upsetting.An important distinction from pretty much every other person on the internet who's upset me: they actually listened when I complained, asked questions until they (apparently) understood, and I haven't heard anything like it from them since (at least 6 months).I have no knowledge about the other users on that instance, though.
(DIR) Post #ADTSTuDbgFTmfNs3O4 by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T23:46:28.781163Z
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@wizzwizz4 @jcast @feditips @edwardloveall what have i said that has upset you? maybe we can work it out. it is late where I am though so it may have to wait until tomorrow(someone please relay this message as he(?) may have blocked me)
(DIR) Post #ADTSXYPogZX0ChJznM by silverpill@poa.st
2021-11-16T21:41:44.804315Z
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@Hyolobrika @edwardloveall @feditips I'd like to implement payment processing in my fedi project at some point. It shouldn't be tied to centralized services and fiat money, so naturally I have to pick some cryptocurrency, but the problem is there are too many of them.
(DIR) Post #ADTSmCUUU0muY8UY8u by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T23:49:47.580781Z
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@wizzwizz4 @jcast @feditips @edwardloveall what have i said that has upset you? maybe we can work it out. it is late where I am though so it may have to wait until tomorrow. I also don't remember not listening but maybe that's just me(someone please relay this message as they may have blocked me)
(DIR) Post #ADTTAADWaWAiRpyz0S by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-16T23:54:07.460517Z
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@newt @jcast @edwardloveall @feditips I doubt it's all guilt by association, just some. Some people are reasonable.
(DIR) Post #ADTTnF6CN512smBqU4 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-16T23:53:30Z
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@newt @jcast @edwardloveall @KolokokoBird I am not a developer, but when I've tried to post on mastodon.online there are some people I cannot @ due to blocks at their end, so I assume there is some way for blocks to be at least seen?
(DIR) Post #ADTTnFg0DxeifowRI8 by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-17T00:00:30.067208Z
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@feditips @KolokokoBird @jcast @edwardloveall you mistake user blocks and instance blocks. User blocks may be federated, so this is why you can’t do that. Instance level blocks are just your instance dropping all data (with minor exceptions) received from a blocked instance. This is what is happening here.
(DIR) Post #ADTULNhatKDdPVxaXw by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-11-17T00:06:41.346233Z
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@newt @feditips @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall @jcast maybe an account named "feditips" should learn how the Fediverse works.
(DIR) Post #ADTUnDTQVwRfnObe5o by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-17T00:11:41.845682Z
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@Hyolobrika care to explain then why stux has counter fedi blocked? I only found this excerpt:“cout**.***Admin stole and rebranded Mastodon source code, he's a thief”Whatever that means. @feditips you presumed wrong, counter fedi was blocked because of see above. @jcast @edwardloveall
(DIR) Post #ADTUoiHFTMxlcYcjWS by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-17T00:07:06Z
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@newt @jcast @edwardloveall @KolokokoBird There is no way for me to do a user level block if there's an instance level block, it just shows as "suspended" when I bring up the account page.Kind of annoying if that's the case... :/
(DIR) Post #ADTVfIwmNdDcPP7vrE by dielan@shitposter.club
2021-11-17T00:21:31.792413Z
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@Moon >be an instance in a federated system>block another instance>they don't block you back"Their software ignores blocks!!!! They can see me but I can't see them because they didn't block us back and probably weren't aware we blocked them in the first place! Bad actors!!!!!!!1"It's all so tiresome.@newt @KolokokoBird @edwardloveall @feditips @jcast
(DIR) Post #ADTVk9bEYrpirkMTZ2 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-17T00:16:23Z
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@newt @Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live @jcast @edwardloveall Well, there's that and their terms of service which are "free speech" ones.
(DIR) Post #ADTVkA5ijWDgOIcp5E by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-17T00:22:21.745476Z
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@feditips @edwardloveall @jcast the “that” is pretty dumb because CounterFedi seems to run Pleroma, not Mastodon. So I’ve no idea what that must even mean. Either your admin had a brain meltdown or this line doesn’t refer to counter.fedi.live at all. But then no other does. The free speech may refer to freedom to discuss any ideas in a civil way. You seem to assume bad faith coming from people advocating for it, even though quite a lot of them are actually the nicest people around. Also, counter.fedi.live has the rule “Be Nice” right there (https://counter.fedi.live/about). I haven’t seen anything that may even remotely resemble what you might call “hatespeech” coming from their instance.
(DIR) Post #ADTVkENan0tNgt19Um by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2021-11-17T00:22:25.410512Z
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@feditips the first porn posted on feddy
(DIR) Post #ADUTH40KHQFeMe3j4i by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-17T11:30:06.531148Z
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@newt @jcast @edwardloveall @feditips the full domain is "cout**.***ial" so it's obviously counter.social not us
(DIR) Post #ADUTR1yafu4GyE04Aa by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-11-17T11:31:12.053992Z
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@Hyolobrika @jcast @edwardloveall @feditips ah crap! Apologies to stux then :comfyjoy: But then, counter.fedi.live isn't even listed among blocked instances on that page. Typical mastodon :comfyuee:
(DIR) Post #ADUTYN3GiPAAMUgj8C by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-11-17T11:32:33.543651Z
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@Hyolobrika no :blobcatadorable:
(DIR) Post #ADUclCOuWeBggG0Ero by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-17T13:16:24.779656Z
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@icedquinn which post are you responding to?
(DIR) Post #AJ5l2hAbfr957cnvMG by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-11-17T00:00:36Z
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@sj_zero @fediblock @jcast @edwardloveall Would you go to a bar where the owner allows random people to scream and shout terrible abuse at the customers in the name of "free speech"?Maybe you would, but I certainly wouldn't.There is NO chance of running a social network without some kind of moderation.Do you want spammers all over the place? No? Then you'd better start banning them.This isn't an "all or nothing" situation, the point of moderation is being moderate.