Post ADSWkfuBOtSxNDF1yy by rysiek@mastodon.technology
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(DIR) Post #ADSWkfuBOtSxNDF1yy by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T12:55:38Z
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Hey #hackers of the #fediverse, anyone working at @Tutanota ?How do you feel about being branded as those who "steal personal data"?https://mastodon.social/@Tutanota/107286804663652739
(DIR) Post #ADSWmBUDT4Y3btocYi by hyde@lazybear.social
2021-11-16T12:59:15Z
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@rysiek @Tutanota Really good point ... but many people dont get it I guess 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #ADSX4bMZzszp4v1eCm by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:02:34Z
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@hyde so again, either @Tutanota doesn't get it, should not get anywhere near anyone's personal data, or they do and are cynically using the term to get clicks."Cybercriminals" would have worked just as well there. And yet they decided to go with branding a creative community of techies as thieves.
(DIR) Post #ADSX7ZhAeenSm44gqW by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:03:07Z
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@hyde sure, but that means that either @Tutanota doesn't get it, should not get anywhere near anyone's personal data, or they do and are cynically using the term to get clicks."Cybercriminals" would have worked just as well there. And yet they decided to go with branding a creative community of techies as thieves.
(DIR) Post #ADSXBWd3zs5OQH2MxU by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:03:50Z
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@hyde sure, but that means that either @Tutanota also doesn't get it, and so should not get anywhere near anyone's personal data; or they do get it and are just cynically using the term to get clicks."Cybercriminals" would have worked just as well there. And yet they decided to go with branding a creative community of techies as thieves.
(DIR) Post #ADSXBhuU3RYZPUGw8e by Fellmoon@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T13:03:52Z
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@hydeAnd won't get better if "we" don't correct BS marketing and media when addressing criminals wrong.@rysiek @Tutanota
(DIR) Post #ADSXdG5X5ZG5EMZsUS by hyde@lazybear.social
2021-11-16T13:08:50Z
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@FellmoonAgree on that too ! 👌🏽@rysiek @Tutanota
(DIR) Post #ADSYJdPYlTCBjD9SvQ by Argus@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:10:20Z
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@rysiek @Tutanota I think is just one of those cases when language is drifting. Despite the benign (tech) origins, the "gifted people who do bad things with tech" definition of hacker is pretty mainstream at this point.Kind of how "literally" now means "figuratively," for some reason. 🙂🤷🏼♂️
(DIR) Post #ADSYJdz0dfYHV9jmBE by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:12:15Z
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@Argus @Tutanota sure. But in that case, I am trying to push it to drift in the other direction.Because we *do* need a term for creative techie people. And we *have* a term for cybercriminals. Using "hackers" in this sense is simply either ignorant or disingenuous.There is *no reason* to use the word "hacker" to mean "cybercriminal" other than clickbait.
(DIR) Post #ADSYJeVcgPdj8Izp0y by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2021-11-16T13:16:29.633845Z
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@rysiek @Argus @Tutanota the best part in all of this is that the term for creative techie people is usually "nerd"
(DIR) Post #ADSZAQyTjct2VJf4G8 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
2021-11-16T13:26:03Z
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@rysiek @Tutanota "Hackers penetrate and ravage…" 😒
(DIR) Post #ADSaRHgpquBw1vPdVw by randynose@fosstodon.org
2021-11-16T13:00:48Z
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@rysiek @Tutanota Hacker 🚫 Thieve!@Tutanota Please don't brand Hackers as thieves, You guys are hackers. This is real life and not a Hollywood movie.
(DIR) Post #ADSaRIFvkQGRmlpfDU by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:39:14Z
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@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota The correct term for someone who steals others' data and uses it to make money is "Silicon Valley startup founder."
(DIR) Post #ADSai7RLDM7lACC0J6 by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T13:21:12Z
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@xerz @Tutanota @Argus which is used in a derogatory manner more often than not, in my experience. Which is also a damn shame.
(DIR) Post #ADTFNdTbiNeZbJ2Dy4 by randynose@fosstodon.org
2021-11-16T13:44:41Z
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@suetanvil @rysiek @Tutanota @Tutanota We need to use the correct term. CON ARTIST. - Of course there might be some artists that take offense.. ?
(DIR) Post #ADTFNeFop8Da0paj7A by randynose@fosstodon.org
2021-11-16T13:46:56Z
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@suetanvil @rysiek @Tutanota But perhaps we need to nudge Catalin Cimpanuinto using better terms, as he seems to be a hacker too... https://therecord.media/author/catalin-cimpanu/
(DIR) Post #ADTFNf8PY9t2k98KCu by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T14:00:55Z
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@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota In all seriousness, I generally use the term "criminal" or (*sigh*) "cyber-criminal".The term "hacker" has been (mis)used for decades to the point where I always qualify it (e.g. "she's a hacker in the original non-criminal sense") and I've kind of written it off now. (Although I've been pleasantly surprised to see it coming back as something other than a negative term.)
(DIR) Post #ADTFNgsB5U5e8NYOBM by suetanvil@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T14:07:30Z
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@randynose @rysiek @Tutanota Also, from a marketing POV, 'hacker' is a bad term because most people envision mischievous kids playing (mostly) harmless pranks.The actual bad actors are sophisticated, organised criminals who will steal a company's data, and use it to commit massive fraud, often doing irreparable harm to hundreds of thousands of people and destroying the company in the process.
(DIR) Post #ADTdlcY9D4jeZn81Kq by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-11-16T14:37:37Z
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@suetanvil @randynose @Tutanota it's up to us to bring the positive meaning to the term "hacker". This has been done with other terms. We can do this with "hacker" too.
(DIR) Post #ADTdld7x3xNKMpsc8u by Tutanota@mastodon.social
2021-11-16T18:15:39Z
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@rysiek Thanks for pointing this out, much appreciated! You are absolutely right, next time we'll use malicious attackers!@suetanvil @randynose