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(DIR) Post #AD6fsgcViQ7LyTyc52 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-05T23:57:36.942581Z
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sometimes, i want to talk more about my Sámi indigenous origins, but i have this intuition that most people aren’t all that curious about the Sámi.
(DIR) Post #AD6fwSkPEfTK6jTDsG by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-05T23:58:17Z
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@thor most people don't know what they are
(DIR) Post #AD6fyMM1ya5UrIyQGO by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-05T23:58:39.858292Z
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the Sámi never accomplished much. they didn’t invent anything. they’re more integrated with Norwegian society these days, so what i’d be writing about is how they traditionally lived, and remember living once.
(DIR) Post #AD6g0A8QNXkhXXT8bY by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-05T23:58:59.386732Z
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@amerika what do you mean?
(DIR) Post #AD6gC4faWWmq46f2ky by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:01:08.518193Z
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i grew up with Sámi culture around me. seeing as the Sámi are one of very few white indigenous peoples, the boundary between being Norwegian and Sámi was always a bit blurry as i grew up, but it became a bit clearer to me when i moved away from their home territory and moved to the home territories of the Norwegians.
(DIR) Post #AD6gFPYfJlFFia0wCm by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:01:44.753741Z
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i both reject and embrace my origins. it’s hard to explain.
(DIR) Post #AD6gLEVdJIJrBiN768 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:02:47.884609Z
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i feel i am largely culturally Norwegian, of a Germanic culture sort of mindset……but it’s a “don’t forget” kind of thing.i sometimes think about it.
(DIR) Post #AD6gUIs4SiCLK3By64 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:04:25.158341Z
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and you’ll say something like “the Sámi used every part of the animal and didn’t waste anything” and you sound like an eco-hippie with a hard-on for dreamcatchers.
(DIR) Post #AD6gURnnFz7l1OGBBA by SyrupSlushie@kawen.space
2021-11-06T00:04:26.940290Z
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@thor I'd be pretty interested tbh, if you ever wanted to take the time to talk about it!I'm pretty sure no one wants to hear about cree stuff, but I'll still vent about it cause ehhhh I dont have any social skills ig
(DIR) Post #AD6gacHnBu69H3EWyO by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:05:34.729562Z
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another thing that makes me hesitant about talking too much about it is how many similarities i see to the Native Americans. that’s a story that’s been told many times.
(DIR) Post #AD6gmE0JIRvRRKajgW by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:07:40.538154Z
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@SyrupSlushie seeing as the best things you can write about are the things only you can write about, and being of Sámi origin and wishing to address an English speaking audience is very rare, i’ll keep it in mind.
(DIR) Post #AD6h4iDNiDJYLjWMAC by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:11:00.070440Z
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@SyrupSlushie even being from the Arctic Circle and posting in English on the Internet is fairly rare. i don’t have anyone i follow who is also from the Arctic Circle. people from the Arctic Circle don’t get published, generally. they write books. i know this from dad, who was a journalist, so he spoke to a lot of creatives. but they tend to focus on the languages of the countries they were born in.there are works from my home parts that people spent years on, also northern Finland and Sweden, that have never been published in English.
(DIR) Post #AD6h9Wg42FKA0zETFA by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T00:11:53.216878Z
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@SyrupSlushie “ambition” is a bit of an alien concept to the cultures up there, and if there is ambition, it’s limited to getting heard/seen domestically.
(DIR) Post #AD6q14FuipOP8Z2grY by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-06T01:51:12.455075Z
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@thor @amerika I think he means that most people have never heard of the Sámi. Hard to be curious about something you don't even know exists. Personally I do find it interesting to learn about cultures like this... just don't know what the sources are to do so. Especially given that not much is in English as you mention later on.
(DIR) Post #AD7PZ2PrZ40rfod6ae by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T08:28:23.213005Z
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@thor "one of very few white indigenous peoples" wdym? white people are indigenous to most of Europe. unless you go back far enough to the times when the Proto-Indo-Europeans had not yet conquered it, by which logic no-one is indigenous. I highly doubt any group surviving today are the first human inhabitants of the place they live
(DIR) Post #AD7RUUDsx4woNJz78C by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T08:51:04.886597Z
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@Hyolobrika oh, you’ll have to argue with the Sámi people collectively about that, because they call themselves that.
(DIR) Post #AD7Rbb6hksEpkl16fI by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T08:52:22.387684Z
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@Hyolobrika as in: they call themselves indigenous, the general consensus is that they are, and Norwegians aren’t considered indigenous. but let me just use a word that causes less arguing: people with a tribal lifestyle.
(DIR) Post #AD7RfHec1UpoZwdPAe by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T08:53:03.477880Z
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@Hyolobrika this was an accidental essay so i shouldn’t be replying really
(DIR) Post #AD7U4BdlibeX4lF5Zw by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-06T09:19:55.726580Z
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@Hyolobrika Just... you are talking to @thor .......(I found this funny)
(DIR) Post #AD7Ue0nTVm61s1rhYm by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:26:25.120514Z
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@snow @Hyolobrika are they for real?
(DIR) Post #AD7Uk6iaPSmpyKU8Q4 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:27:31.988578Z
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@snow @Hyolobrika you’d think i was a rapist or something, but i just write about things that come to mind.
(DIR) Post #AD7UmOVjECsLjZYs5o by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:27:57.221592Z
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@Hyolobrika @snow putting me on a block list is a bit like saying “we don’t like Thor’s brain”
(DIR) Post #AD7UpGvlrnTJ5t7BOi by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:28:28.614074Z
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@Hyolobrika @snow “i find your personal diary highly offensive”
(DIR) Post #AD7VgnVdTHepTxPfxA by caranmegil@friendface.fail
2021-11-06T09:38:08.694Z
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@thor@pl.thj.no @Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live @snow@wintermute.fr.to your personal diary hurts my sensitive brain. "i cry on the inside and outside each time you post."
(DIR) Post #AD7W4oGYJFKWmMo9fU by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T07:10:37Z
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@thor do you feel there is a difference between person living up north with sami heritage and without? Are there somewhat different tribes? So you mind if I keep asking things like these?
(DIR) Post #AD7W7EJwPTAUAJXym8 by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-06T09:42:52.347811Z
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@thor @Hyolobrika
(DIR) Post #AD7WC9V9kqMgfQ8k6K by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:43:48.095838Z
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@JonossaSeuraava there are different tribes, though we don’t really use the word “tribe”. there are the mountain/reindeer sami and the sea sami. there are some other sami dialects spoken further south in the country as well. and you might call the Norwegians a tribe too.
(DIR) Post #AD7WWnttGIhfknYZMW by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:47:31.762635Z
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@JonossaSeuraava the sea Sami lifestyle largely got replaced with Norwegian style fishing and farming. their lifestyle was, historically, similar to that of other Norwegians living by the sea, but they didn’t have access to banking and modern boats to the same degree as the Norwegians did. so, my family on the mother’s side is sea Sami and they, like most other sea Sami families, went “if we can’t beat them, join them”
(DIR) Post #AD7WeJQaRU9VYrQkNs by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:48:53.388187Z
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@JonossaSeuraava but the language and some traditions were kept alive. the situation is different for the mountain Sami. there was never any competition for reindeer herding, and they could trade their meat, fur, horns, etc, with the Norwegians.
(DIR) Post #AD7WlD2caNIBmTVeS0 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:50:08.112261Z
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@JonossaSeuraava modern reindeer Sami live a relatively modern lifestyle, but every year, they temporarily go nomadic.
(DIR) Post #AD7WxjCMqsAqzQ2ONU by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:52:24.559189Z
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@JonossaSeuraava the reindeer don’t live in enclosures, and they have seasonal migrations, so they have to be tracked. but there is a system of ownership. there is labour involved. while the reindeer are wild, i think they do stuff to care for them, and protect them from dangers and such. i didn’t grow up in a reindeer herding family so i don’t really know the details.
(DIR) Post #AD7X1D0SU0zWJ27vns by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:53:02.631762Z
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@JonossaSeuraava but you might think of them as free-range cattle, except the range is the entire region the Sami live in.
(DIR) Post #AD7X2ouD3nPY8byLwm by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:53:19.645911Z
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@JonossaSeuraava “managed wildlife”
(DIR) Post #AD7XJggCtfj1Y5SwLI by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T09:56:22.971965Z
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@JonossaSeuraava because of their unique lifestyle, they get more attention in the media.
(DIR) Post #AD7aDyjv8aT3gZAk1g by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:28:30Z
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@thor uh uh. And reindeers wandering around with maybe even horns spray painted to be reflective is way more media sexy than rough seas and drying fish.Tribe was probably completely wrong word. People might be more fitting. I meant that in the vein of people of the east coast have diffrenet tradiotons and dialect from easternI had the understanding that the dialects are so diffent that they are pretty much their own language. Maybe things are bit different in the finnish part of lappland.
(DIR) Post #AD7aNUuGuXJc3WYL4a by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:30:02.223659Z
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@JonossaSeuraava in the northern parts of the nordic countries, Northern Sami is spoken. and reindeer don’t care about borders
(DIR) Post #AD7aoqQT0jCwcDeU52 by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:35:08Z
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@thor of course they don't. I have just this vague memory of some sami youths talking about their relation to their heritage and language on YLE (the national broadcasting comppany over here). But that is just a hazy memory of some interview of few people.In general it's weird that we werent taught fuck all about sami people in any level of school. Or any of the traditions of any part of finland for that matter. I even took a course of finnish history but it was just broad strokes
(DIR) Post #AD7b9ESdMJzIwyO3we by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:36:30Z
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@thor I wasn't completely dreaming. Wikipedia says the following:Sámi in Finland have had access to Sámi language instruction in some schools since the 1970s, and language rights were established in 1992. There are three Sámi languages spoken in Finland: North Sámi, Skolt Sámi and Inari Sámi. Of these languages, Inari Sámi, which is spoken by about 350 speakers, is the only one that is used entirely within the borders of Finland, mainly in the municipality of Inari.
(DIR) Post #AD7b9F1jFq3ohoo5eC by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:39:17.484549Z
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@JonossaSeuraava you can get lessons in it in K12 if you live in areas where they are many, such as Finnmark.
(DIR) Post #AD7bEWzxrdXbtKVJR2 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:40:16.247161Z
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@JonossaSeuraava i always found it interesting that we called the Sami “finns”, so my home county’s name could essentially be translated to Finland in English. and Sami is very similar to Finnish.
(DIR) Post #AD7bI6k1QghHcAkiPI by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:40:55.043157Z
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@JonossaSeuraava “lapp” is another name for Sami, so Lapland too, could be translated as Finland.
(DIR) Post #AD7bMY7Fapg5fqjeIC by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:41:42.579859Z
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@JonossaSeuraava more broadly, if you look at why they were called “finns”, it’s because they were “finders”. hunters and gatherers.
(DIR) Post #AD7bxPkbeprkRbiqNE by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:48:22.173903Z
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@JonossaSeuraava and in common talk, in my home parts, the reindeer sami are known as “fjellfinn” and Finnish people are just another kind of “finn” but they are… “European finns”
(DIR) Post #AD7c1PUYYuNune7Wmu by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:49:06.287809Z
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@JonossaSeuraava it’s Baltic culture, i guess, but we wouldn’t call an Estonian a Finn.
(DIR) Post #AD7cDHtUdVeMi7Rpq4 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:51:08.855812Z
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@JonossaSeuraava it is believed that the Sami were a people from further east, possibly Sibiric/Mongol origin, that spoke some unrelated language, and then went through Finland and picked up heavy Finno-Ugric language elements, and then settled in Norway and Sweden.
(DIR) Post #AD7cHDAw7czPEaThGS by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:51:56.905702Z
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@JonossaSeuraava across the border in Russia there are the Samoyed people (after which the dog breed is named) and they have a lifestyle that looks very similar to that of the Sami.
(DIR) Post #AD7cIHTJdKuIqhaJ4i by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:51:56Z
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@thor Huh, never thought about it that way.In finnish welappi ( I guess lit. translation would be lapland. In my mind it's the northern part of the coutry)saami (the sami language or the area where sami people live)saamelaiset (the sami people)Ah, I guess that explains why Suomi is called Finland in english.
(DIR) Post #AD7cRPB8LifdMDQmJc by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:53:46.853070Z
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@JonossaSeuraava yes, Sami, Suomi. so i feel Finland and the Sami people are quite connected in a way. we have a population of Finnish speakers in my home district. they are called the Kven. my dad is a Kven. both of my parents have mixed heritage, but the cultures they grew up in were Sami and Kven. the Finnish spoken there is old fashioned and diluted since it was brought to Norway hundreds of years ago.
(DIR) Post #AD7ca76AwJYxtDGRYe by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T10:55:21.817587Z
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@JonossaSeuraava so i have three cultures. i only speak Norwegian and English, but i think if someone spoke Sami or Finnish with an accent, i’d be able to tell, because i know how these languages are supposed to sound.
(DIR) Post #AD7d05IaFo7dpvS5QG by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:59:16Z
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@thor skimming trough wikipedia reignited my bitterness towards swedes. Motherfuckers get to have their language as second official language (which everybody is forced to leard and most often this is the spark for that bitterness). And on top of that their own goddamn autonomous island (group[?]).Meanwhile ...
(DIR) Post #AD7d05vZupJXmrhECe by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:00:03.978997Z
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@JonossaSeuraava ah, the Finno-Swedes you mean?
(DIR) Post #AD7d0ArVZO1t5gpY3M by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T10:59:28Z
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@thor >In Finland, where Sámi children, like all Finnish children, are entitled to day care and language instruction in their own language, the Finnish government has denied funding for these rights in most of the country, including in Rovaniemi, the largest municipality in Finnish Lapland. Sámi activists have pushed for nationwide application of these basic rights.[82]
(DIR) Post #AD7d3xi4PZ73STDpT6 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:00:46.278189Z
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@JonossaSeuraava i don’t understand why you don’t ditch Swedish completely, but i understand it has to do with elites
(DIR) Post #AD7d9aQlsJe2zsoRSS by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:01:47.300488Z
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@JonossaSeuraava and i guess also with the fact that once you’ve got a language group settled, you can’t just throw it out. there are people living real lives etc.
(DIR) Post #AD7dCNARe0NYjLVLWq by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:00:06Z
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@thor As in the other countries claiming sovereignty over Sámi lands, Sámi activists' efforts in Finland in the 20th century achieved limited government recognition of the Sámis' rights as a recognized minority, but the Finnish government has maintained its legally enforced premise that the Sámi must prove their land ownership, an idea incompatible with and antithetical to the traditional reindeer-herding Sámi way of life.
(DIR) Post #AD7dCNjBYqAUT5l5g8 by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:00:09Z
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@thor This has effectively allowed the Finnish government to take without compensation, motivated by economic gain, land occupied by the Sámi for centuries.[83]
(DIR) Post #AD7dIpw7awBlh2t4NM by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:03:27.544441Z
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@JonossaSeuraava it’s rather paradoxical that a country i feel has something in common with the Samis treats them that way, but maybe that’s the reason. “oh, you’re not that different from us. why should you have special rights?”
(DIR) Post #AD7dNTHJGUfSrs0XkO by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:04:17.532280Z
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@JonossaSeuraava whereas in Sweden and Norway, the Baltic-Finno-Ugric elements really set them apart from the rest.
(DIR) Post #AD7dOyYuRD0MBNxPai by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:04:11Z
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@thor More like the historical swedes from like 1600's or somethig.It's milder towards people that are alive now. Sure finno-swedes or finlands swedes (or what ever they are called in english) do not have the rosiest of image in my mind but it's not their fault and I understard that you wanna keep on living like you always have.
(DIR) Post #AD7dUELNBnseZo8Cki by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:05:22Z
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@thor maybe it has something to do with relativile tiny and sparse population.and probalby money as well of course
(DIR) Post #AD7dbVEYn5PIzHPdFQ by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:06:48.268208Z
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@JonossaSeuraava i probably come from the part of the Sápmi area where the sense of identity is at its weakest because my home district is such a melting pot of peoples.
(DIR) Post #AD7dhK5r7hwcAp7HIe by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:07:53.127205Z
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@JonossaSeuraava you get the coastal Norwegians, the mountain Sámi, the Kven of the rivers and the lakes, the Russians who marry in, the occasional eccentric migrant from somewhere in Europe, and now, on top of that, the odd person from Somalia or such.
(DIR) Post #AD7dnYpbF1tDcTUGBs by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:08:59.912609Z
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@JonossaSeuraava in terms of having a unified identity, it’s chaos. go one municipality south and there is clear Sámi identity. go one east and it’s Kven with Russian cultural interchange. go west and it’s Norwegian.
(DIR) Post #AD7dqe3iGHfShYYjCq by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:09:16Z
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@thor on top of that it seems that people that do not live in a city are getting shafted at a increasing rate in general.Municipalities are forced to merge and then services are shutdown from many places and moved to new "city" center. And the more sparse your municipality was before merger, the mo fucked you are.
(DIR) Post #AD7dvyZLQt3BlDteKG by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:10:32.081944Z
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@JonossaSeuraava oh, so that’s happening in Finland too?i hear that rural Sweden is basically dead.in Norway, there’s more shouting if they try to take that too far. we just had a new administration elected that has promised to allow a reversal of the merging of municipalities that was forced over their heads by the prior administration.
(DIR) Post #AD7e6GcbAWk2e4KFyS by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:12:22.577962Z
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@JonossaSeuraava if i am to summarise Norwegians: they’re anti-authoritarian but they also want to force their morals on others and they keep up appearances. the whole Law of Jante thing.
(DIR) Post #AD7e6URllaOjWXMo2S by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:11:50Z
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@thor I try to stay pretty ignorant about politics or current world events but that is my understanding yeah.
(DIR) Post #AD7eAP1brorJrlzqV6 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:13:08.496302Z
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@JonossaSeuraava it’s not “don’t deny me my freedom” but “don’t deny our community our freedom”
(DIR) Post #AD7eJPW3PWlVzmX2QK by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:14:45.199110Z
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@JonossaSeuraava individualism as a cultural value exists but within certain boundaries you might say.
(DIR) Post #AD7eO8vMWg6Zz7ct3A by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:15:31Z
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@thor Gotta go for a walk and then run a bundh of errands.So don't take my silcence as a sign of me losing interest :blobcoffee: I'll most likely be back
(DIR) Post #AD7ePGoifMNskn3ZPk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T11:15:49.743406Z
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@JonossaSeuraava no problem. it’s good that you’re taking walks.
(DIR) Post #AD7hBCzyMlN4ieJ4vw by JonossaSeuraava@layer8.space
2021-11-06T11:29:09Z
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@thor one more thing about swedes. Before leaving I put on a podcast on called daughters of sami. And of course it starts by "basically we are getting fucked because of mineral deposits under our feet" and then cuts to a news report talking about some business man with swedish name planning a expanded rail road network up north for mining industry
(DIR) Post #AD84oDNx9y9M9s5lg0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:11:35Z
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@thor @sim has it correct: most people have never heard of the Sámimost narrative about minority groups has been swallowed up by the murkan civil rights narrative
(DIR) Post #AD84xj9UQB9FHrrY2q by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T16:13:22.062426Z
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@amerika yet there is no civil rights narrative in the UK but they are no more aware of the Sami.a lot of what you think seems biased by the fact that you come from America, and are suffering from insular mentality, in which the world centres around your country. that’s my impression, i just keep getting hit by that when you state your saucier opinions.
(DIR) Post #AD850s9DQrnK3UEaBs by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T16:13:57.253217Z
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@amerika “oh, that’s what all the Americans say”
(DIR) Post #AD856dXgeCUaUlQfOi by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T16:14:59.653540Z
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@amerika https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_mentality
(DIR) Post #AD858lDj4UxQt56abw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:15:20Z
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@thor i disagree heartilytheir civil rights narrative mirrors the murkan onejust say "windrush"
(DIR) Post #AD85EmCYKweJfSQQ4G by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:16:25Z
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@thor not reallymurka is the new romeit's the biggest market participanttherefore, has undue influencesyou may misunderstand my loyalties herei sign most of my correspondence with the location "occupied south"
(DIR) Post #AD85Lkla4RM5FC8Uds by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:17:43Z
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@thor you may also want to consider the other option:that i am simplyannoying
(DIR) Post #AD85MolWggWlw8cNii by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T16:17:54.494043Z
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@amerika without looking at the numbers, China seems to have already overtaken you.butamong people who discuss these things, such as journalists, intellectuals, i think many of them would react as do to what you’ve been saying.
(DIR) Post #AD87DBBueeO8V7UZBg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:38:35Z
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@thor it's hard to telleurope is dependent on chinese trade, that's for surea negative surprise coming therelike with that russian pipelinewill murka regain the lead? don't know; our leaders are slowly (slowly) figuring out that replacing the population with third worlders has not had the expected results.
(DIR) Post #AD87MmUxJi9woTyfya by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:40:15Z
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@thor "Island mentality refers to the notion of isolated communities perceiving themselves as exceptional or superior to the rest of the world."or the "city on the hill" of Christian loremaybei think egalitarianism provides a way for people to compete without competing directlythat also creates this mentalityA->B!B->Amany things create a sense of superioritya sense of superiority therefore does not directly indicate any one of them
(DIR) Post #AD87O6jfYoeTrrUaIK by dew_the_dew@poa.st
2021-11-06T16:40:34.024684Z
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@amerika @thor what the 🦆 did they expect??
(DIR) Post #AD87Z5uWy2yiUkoNGq by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-11-06T16:42:32.845179Z
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@amerika the “sense of superiority” is the secondary thing here. i’m mainly speaking of perspective. how i think it might be useful to try to shift ones perspective.as a citizen of a small country i am forced to confront that it’s insignificant, so i have to look out.if you’re in a large country like Germany or the USA, you can afford to be a bit navel-gazing if you will. it won’t inconvenience you.
(DIR) Post #AD87yoE9KxnZBCFY9Y by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T16:47:09Z
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@thor not only that, you're forced into it, because you're getting criticism from everywhere else, in part because you are largeit's one of the reasons i'm a nationalist. it's best NOT to have overdominant imperial powers, even if indirect (financial, media)
(DIR) Post #AD8TXWLntLOEuRDt9k by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T20:47:41.262614Z
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@thor @amerika I've heard of the Sami. Then again I read a lot.
(DIR) Post #AD8UhMyRi0myg5Ydl2 by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:00:40.230100Z
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@thor @amerika @dew_the_dew @mcduquesne @not_br549 @sim that's kind of sad in my eyes. that you have to buy food from big stores instead of getting it locally from people you know and trust
(DIR) Post #AD8V3A985B4jGRwkTY by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:04:36.741990Z
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@sim @amerika @thor @mcduquesne @not_br549 what is 'the good' though? good according to whom?
(DIR) Post #AD8VSuIBeKdTciSWAq by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:09:15.840017Z
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@thor @snow I'm not agreeing with them, but it's not really a personal diary if you post it online where anyone can see it.
(DIR) Post #AD8VldVoGKNX5AlI5w by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:12:39.057347Z
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@thor @snow what are their disagreements with you? did they try to talk about them before blocking you?
(DIR) Post #AD8VzzaB0Ah5aReLSq by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-06T21:16:19.095350Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow I'm pretty sure Thor blocked me at one point, so I find this a little hypocritical if that's true.
(DIR) Post #AD8WHflPQUu3KfKn8S by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:18:26.391686Z
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@inference @thor is this true? @snow
(DIR) Post #AD8WQNnXajT0DeU7Qe by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-06T21:21:05.593911Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow Me and Thor were having a debate about whether or not the OP of a blog should have to accept adversarial response (comments etc), or not.I was either blocked or muted and had to work around it by posting to my own profile and creating new accounts on other instances.
(DIR) Post #AD8Wgo8JRixaWs258i by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T21:24:02Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @dew_the_dew @mcduquesne @not_br549 @sim It's a consequence of economies of scale, but can be counter-acted by reducing costs.
(DIR) Post #AD8WjM3UIMyuJezSYS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T21:24:31Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @mcduquesne @not_br549 @sim Consequences in reality as valued by each culture.
(DIR) Post #AD8Zshp526CAIPOyfI by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T21:58:44.587669Z
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@amerika @thor @mcduquesne @not_br549 @sim I'm not really sure what that means. Consequences of what?
(DIR) Post #AD8am9Sbyj1PwJKZxQ by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T22:08:46.047880Z
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@inference @thor @snow you block-evaded? that’s not cool, dude. if someone doesn’t want to talk to you you should accept that and move on, not try to force your opinions down their throatsalso (minor nitpick) “the OP of a blog” is an oddly Reddit/*chan way of talking. I would normally say “the author of a blog”
(DIR) Post #AD8bIShPz60ssGfBce by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-06T22:15:41.043577Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow 1. Adversarial response is either accepted, or you're forced to accept it; only dictators block and run.2. I wasn't the one who called it "OP".
(DIR) Post #AD8dv7vHMeQndhi9sO by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T22:44:00.658768Z
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@inference @thor @snow People who find you annoying (or, yes, have lost the argument) block you based off their own personal preferences. Dictators try to make their personal preferences mandatory for everyone around them. They ban, rather than block.To me, you see. I don’t believe in freedom of speech as an absolute value. It must be tempered by consent. If someone does not want to hear your words, then you do not have the right to speak them to them.I used to solve this problem by appealing to an absolute right to listen that would beget a relative right to speak rather than an absolute right to speak. This right to listen (or freedom of listening by analogy with freedom of speech) would mean that anyone can listen to whomever they please and thus that the people they listen to can’t be censored (freedom of speech).1/2
(DIR) Post #AD8eFOcczFOpDreVou by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-06T22:47:40.316352Z
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@inference @snow @thor I scrapped this idea though while I was writing the previous post. I realised that freedom of listening as an absolute opens the doors to morally (and potentially legally) justified spying.2/2
(DIR) Post #AD8ej5ofTFv7aKRcgK by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-06T22:54:06.723534Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow Not sure what post 2/2 means, but here's my take on the matter.If someone wants to speak, that's freedom and they can do so.If someone wants to listen, that's freedom and they can do so.In neither of these situations should someone be stopped from doing so.However, blocking someone is not different to banning, since it's effectively the same thing, but only a ban to the person who is doing the blocking. The problem with allowing this approach in the name of "free speech" is akin to a dictator telling the world their opinion but not listening to what the world thinks of it. Whoever writes a blog or posts anything, especially including facts, should *always* be held accountable for their statements and should not be allowed to run from what they have said. The reason dictators succeed is because they use the block/mute tactic, otherwise known as silencing.Just as people were being silenced during the pandemic for stating their adversarial responses to it, such as the German doctor I mentioned in another thread which, IIRC, you favourited.If you aren't prepared to face the consequences of your speech and/or actions, don't light the fire.
(DIR) Post #AD8fPY6Oh7zTTUywjI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-06T23:01:46Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @mcduquesne @not_br549 @sim ...of our actions. Things that produce good results (ends) are good.
(DIR) Post #AD8oDDoRCk0UeymJnM by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-07T00:39:20.267298Z
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@inference @thor @snow Banning is different to blocking. With a blocking, the only people affected are the blocker deciding they don't want to listen to someone because i.e. the other person is being an asshole, and the blockee, who does not have the right to force his or her opinions on others.Not everyone has the energy for debate with literally everyone. Sometimes you have to pick and choose. For example, consider someone who uses fallacies and manipulative constructs constantly while debating and you can't stop them from arguing in bad faith. Is it worth engaging such a person in a debate?
(DIR) Post #AD8p8kPcfibeGxbMq8 by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-11-07T00:49:43.929807Z
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@inference @snow @thor Forgot to continue the first paragraph: on the other hand, with banning, people other than those two are affected (the users of the instance the banning mod is on in the case of a ban of a remote user or instance, the whole network in the case of a local ban (untill the banee moves to greener pastures) This is just when all the people affected voted for the banning mod though an election or with their feet, unjust otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AD8pkJbWn8yq8K5GF6 by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-07T00:57:35.334036Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow My point isn't only online or on Fediverse, my point is when people makes statements, people will come across them, so they should have to come across other people's.If you drive on the road, people will drive in ways you don't like, but you can't just block them from the road you're on. If you go to a store, you can't just block the people around you from talking.I will never disable commenting systems on any of my services which allow me to make statements; if I state something, other people should be able to give an adversarial response.
(DIR) Post #AD8pldB7V8Zz8AMKSu by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-11-07T00:57:50.418512Z
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@Hyolobrika @thor @snow My point isn't only online or on Fediverse, my point is when people make statements, people will come across them, so they should have to come across other people's.If you drive on the road, people will drive in ways you don't like, but you can't just block them from the road you're on. If you go to a store, you can't just block the people around you from talking.I will never disable commenting systems on any of my services which allow me to make statements; if I state something, other people should be able to give an adversarial response.
(DIR) Post #ADA3WT3iR4yfv0WHAm by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-07T15:06:39.296525Z
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@sim I dislike that guy often pick boring women as partner. So I gave up to watch it.@WaughheadRex @amerika @thor @mcduquesne
(DIR) Post #ADA4N21xen0zRJlOOu by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-07T15:16:09.969801Z
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@snow @WaughheadRex @amerika @mcduquesne @thor Unfortunately, the companions that follow him are supposed to stand in for the audience in a way. Introducing us to the Doctor and his world and keeping him grounded. They aren't there to be really interesting. On saying that, Donna was great and comedic. She had a good relationship with the Doctor. Sad what happened to her though. All that progress for nothing. Amy was fun at times, I liked Clara too but the script was going downhill further for her. I really lost interest after her. I liked Capaldi as the Doctor, didn't like the rest of it. I probably just watched for the Doctor after a while so when they character assassinated his character I stopped watching.
(DIR) Post #ADA4wbWhfymJfC6Zwu by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-07T15:22:33.659044Z
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@simPick Snow! :ablobdundundun: I just watched few seasons and didn't watch again.@WaughheadRex @amerika @thor @mcduquesne
(DIR) Post #ADA583XdrBOlji0Lz6 by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-07T15:24:40.767979Z
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@snow @WaughheadRex @amerika @mcduquesne @thor Don't recall a Snow... haha. Fair enough. I think that happens to us all. The script was lacking.
(DIR) Post #ADALtmkYiRPHcS1dmC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-07T18:32:33Z
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@sim @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow I agree: the Companion is humanity taken along for a ride, having normal modern person responses, so the Doctor can make flippant comments about a saner world that we all want to live in instead.
(DIR) Post #ADALyd0CNwAippeMnw by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-07T18:33:25Z
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@snow @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @sim Wasn't Karen Gillan one of the Companions?
(DIR) Post #ADB0HLIibLSkrZz2qu by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-08T02:05:02.552498Z
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@amerika @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow Agreed. In the newer Who, this is shown to be humanising for the Doctor or else he gets really dark without a companion. They really make it out like he needs someone there.
(DIR) Post #ADB0YgWMxU81bDdcsS by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-08T02:08:10.698238Z
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@amerika @snow @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne Yes, she plays Amy Pond and she is the companion to Smith's Doctor. She is the redhead and quite a few people liked her.
(DIR) Post #ADB8iWaN2PlDX6cysi by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-08T03:39:32Z
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@sim @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow It's lonely to be the Doctor.Imagine living for thousands of years.That's what makes this such a great show.Reminds me a lot of Heinlein, but less libertarian.
(DIR) Post #ADB95EjxYK2WqZwWJ6 by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-08T03:43:41.164454Z
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@amerikaHe got his buddy: Master.@sim @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne
(DIR) Post #ADB9IlsTeyN9NxNfZA by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-08T03:46:08.860238Z
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@amerika @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow In the story, he's almost 1000. But even living for hundreds of years is rough. Especially when so many people come and go in your life. He's very relatable for an alien.
(DIR) Post #ADBP5EtmYuUubZYoVs by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-08T06:42:56.918613Z
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@sim @WaughheadRex @amerika @thor @mcduquesne Because it's fictional.
(DIR) Post #ADByKsotumGP9rTLPM by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-08T13:17:58Z
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@snow @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @sim Like most stories, it's metaphorical.For example, who are hobbits? To me it's Tolkien talking up how humans see themselves when we feel weak and small.
(DIR) Post #ADByZzSdVSCe69GIIC by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-11-08T13:20:39Z
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@sim @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow I could see living for uncountable years, but that's probably a quirk of my personality.Imagine taking ten million showers on ten million mornings and brushing your teeth thirty million times.At some point, the repetition would kill most of us.
(DIR) Post #ADBzQifQfvopMTOAaG by sim@shitposter.club
2021-11-08T13:30:14.696588Z
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@amerika @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne @snow Yeah, seems like a lot. Really makes me feel content with the years that I do have. Although I know some people would prefer to live forever.
(DIR) Post #ADBztfO7whXJac6CK8 by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-11-08T13:35:24.509064Z
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@amerika @sim @WaughheadRex @thor @mcduquesne He can choose to not taking showers and brushing teeth.