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(DIR) Post #AChO7go7YiqyqEA6K0 by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:02:51.889597Z
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Please mummy , I will have my jab. Don't stop me from going to the hairdresser.What fresh hell is this? https://twitter.com/i/status/1451818329723781123
(DIR) Post #AChO7hHXnKOCJTvbBQ by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:10:51.711164Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma tomorrow, any staff in my health region who haven't been vaccinated will be placed on two week's unpaid leave. If they don't get their first shot in that time, they will be suspended indefinitely. Because they are suspended, they are not eligible for government benefits. As far as I can see, management's plan to address the resulting staff shortages is to ask the rest of us to work more overtime. Because that's been working so very well up to now...
(DIR) Post #AChOFXhZIVykuvqFDk by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:12:11.991062Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma The fuckers!!!
(DIR) Post #AChOL8apZ1lqmWMGOW by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:13:17.922585Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma you know what I wish, Hebs? I wish that if people were symptomatic, they'd stay home until they recovered.But, what do I know?
(DIR) Post #AChONk0xP3KhQAotyC by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:12:19.087109Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse Madness. Complete madness. I have no words for what the UK has become.
(DIR) Post #AChONkZLLCq38ouMZE by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:13:45.489690Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma I'm in Canada, we've been batshit for a while, but, yeah...
(DIR) Post #AChOT3U4RX6hFjyIWe by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:13:41.942695Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse The contempt our government has for us is breathtaking. I want the people responsible to see the inside of a jail cell.
(DIR) Post #AChOTdzsgjwWUp8D6e by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:14:02.669510Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse For the rest of their miserable lives.
(DIR) Post #AChOgCn39dXzsc7Sl6 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:16:38.135435Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma One of the big probs here is the level of bullying of staffwho are sick, from anything, frightened to be off and endup coming in when unwell, talking before current issues,so got a cold/bug/flu/anthrax/galloping dog rot and darenot be off or the fling the ARE YOU SICK AGAIN at themand off to management and etc etc. It is a HUGE problem.
(DIR) Post #AChOm0U1p8EnRrzM5g by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:18:08.282244Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma yep, yep, and yep. I've been threatened with an attendance meeting, and I get doctor's notes for every second of sick time!!
(DIR) Post #AChPBYKv608XgJuRo8 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:22:08.617402Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma It is outrageous, nurse friend of mine put through the millover this, hates the profession now.Also badly injured at work, now needs hip and knee replacementand they refuse responsibility, and she can’t get the ops becauseall cancelled for the foreseeable. Tried taking them to tribunal,pissing in the wind, was lied to by the tribunal lawyers, whoare fucking useless and also one of the ones involved is alsostill hand in glove with other side, so running with the hares andhunting with the hounds, so nobody would stand a chance over it.
(DIR) Post #AChPGyrTu3pPObjCD2 by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:23:45.361597Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma same story I've heard a dozen times. They'll happily work us to death, but try to deny us compensation.
(DIR) Post #AChPJS7k4skGjLVqIS by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:22:20.991694Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate The ridiculous thing is that until we became obsessed with c*vid to the exclusion of all else we were all under pressure to go into work regardless. I remember not even three years ago getting an email from my agency telling us that during busy times (ie November to March) we were to haul ourselves out of bed unless we had died and get to work. Now we are at the point where we have to take a useless test to prove we are healthy. The authorities must be beside themselves with glee at how people are busy blaming each other rather than blaming the government who got us into this mess. This could end tomorrow, but I suspect it has become a sunk cost fallacy. So we will keep on consulting the graphs of doom from SAGE,who will never find a reason to end this madness. 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #AChPKvgHfdRigpNDGq by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:24:08.516791Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse Exactly that.
(DIR) Post #AChPTl8uDmMIbzyIKG by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:26:03.088503Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @HebrideanHecate my union president and lots of the executive resigned recently, and now I can't find any mention of it on the website, nor any mention that, up until three weeks ago, they were against mandatory vaccination programs. Hmmm...
(DIR) Post #AChPewUUMyOKzcOogC by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:26:36.446741Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma 🙄
(DIR) Post #AChPex02Tfd2ZTA0rA by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:28:03.657054Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma right? I haven't been arsed to peruse other Canadian nurses' unions, but I know for a fact that the Alberta and Saskatchewan unions were also against mandatory vaccination programs last month.
(DIR) Post #AChQ62waU75upGSyie by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:27:50.662255Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse OK I'm setting myself up to be shot down here, to ask a question:if you work in a hospital or other clinical or care setting, are working in direct contact with patients and handling their bodies, sometimes intimately, why would you not choose be vaccinated? Does not being vaccinated increase the risk of passing infection to patients and colleagues?
(DIR) Post #AChQ63NsqcveBvEmGW by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:32:58.607195Z
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@DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma I have chosen to be vaccinated, and I would encourage other nurses to get vaccinated, too. What I'm objecting too is the mandatory part.We worked all through the pandemic thus far with PPE. We have worked with other infections that there were no vaccines for. Nurses have, traditionally, been able to choose PPE over annual flu vaccines. They way it used to work, if you refused vaccination, you wore PPE, and if an outbreak was declared in your work site, or you tested positive, you went on leave without pay. For what it's worth, anyone who has upper respiratory symptoms should be staying home and isolating. I'd be in favor of more testing, as an extra precaution, but we're not doing that.
(DIR) Post #AChQ6XvFJ9ROu54qQq by Spring@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:27:51.890134Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma But that's coercion pure and simple.
(DIR) Post #AChQ7Apae75dZpjNWy by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:31:59.610094Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate Sorry - didn't realise you were in Tranada. I'm in the UK and we're not far behind you, restrictions-wise.
(DIR) Post #AChQ8rOFtic7rSkX0C by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:30:30.911673Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse Exactly. It is a form of constructive dismissal and workplace bullying. Funnily enough I don't think it will be the subject of a Grauniad op-ed piece any time soon. But there will be plenty of articles about which mug to use during a zoom meeting. 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #AChQ9jknm6jcT1iIds by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:29:15.451026Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma It’s completely unethical and a very slippery slope.
(DIR) Post #AChQDcgC1FFJgWPWPw by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:27:39.373691Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate That's awful. Our unions are toothless and the benefit system is not fit for purpose. What makes me really angry is the class of people who think that they are being virtuous because their (usually) public-sector job had enabled them to work from home on full pay. They have no thought at all for anyone else.I often think that the supporters of lockdown and all this madness can be described as middle-class people feeling virtuous while working-class people brought them things.
(DIR) Post #AChQWr4si9GBqH84OG by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:36:44.972546Z
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@DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse It's my understanding from the data from the UK government says that having the jab does not prevent either passing on the virus or catching it. It is meant to reduce the symptoms for the individual so that the risk of serious illness and hospitalisation is reduced. However, there seems to be a widespread belief that the individual protection doesn't work unless everyone has it and those who decline it are putting others at risk.
(DIR) Post #AChQWraQoqUtQ7tGZE by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:37:49.553080Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate it's turned into a purity spiral, but with blacklisting.
(DIR) Post #AChRAapUXb1124sZUW by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:39:03.257879Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse Thanks for that. It sounds, from what you say, as if hospital management may be trying to avoid the extra cost of funding PPE when a vaccine IS available. In our NHS, which is funded by tax payers, I can understand their position, to some extent, but in other health systems that are financed by private insurance contributions I don't see why PPE cannot be funded. Could it perhaps be a public liability insurance issue to avoid being sued by a patient who becomes infected? [Our NHS is self-insured, which means tax payers have to fund any damages payments.]@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma
(DIR) Post #AChRAbNWV4EmjcnkXI by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:44:59.883623Z
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@DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma I can't make sense of their rationale, myself. I've chased it around and around and I don't understand what's exceptional here.(preemptive, yes, covid19 is horrible. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not saying covid don't real. What I am saying is that there are other, equally horrible things, just, thankfully, not at pandemic levels right now. If granny gets a secondary pneumonia and dies gasping, it's equally horrible if the original infection was influenza or coronavirus. So, if a nurse used to be able to work unvaccinated but with PPE, unadvisable as that is, why can we now not work unvaccinated but with PPE for covid?)
(DIR) Post #AChRBo2stDIAJKipHM by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:39:53.070187Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu very much this and it is sinister and wrong
(DIR) Post #AChRDS2NgbUodJGrei by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:42:06.806438Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate Absolutely. It is a disgrace that people are being forced on pain of losing their job to undertake medical treatments. This behaviour is reprehensible. Adults are capable of making their own judgements based on access to reliable information and coercion has no place in a civilised society. History has shown us what happens to societies which treat their citizens as cattle with no agency. It's not pretty. Wishing you well. We live in dangerous times. 💞
(DIR) Post #AChRKu3Pv2pxYJJDPc by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:46:37.936387Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @KeepTakingTheSoma And the attitude of you can die from anything else, fuck you, no treatments, raging MH probs & etc, just that you musn’t catch this.
(DIR) Post #AChRbPwP8Ffd55u4eG by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:46:48.963088Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma Yes, that is my understanding too. But, we are talking about people who are already in hospital for other reasons, some of whom may have treatment that reduces the potency of any vaccination they may have had. Would they not be more vulnerable if treated by unvaccinated staff? Are there rules in place that unvaccinated staff must avoid contact with such patients? @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #AChRbQOPS84WTx0RIe by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:49:51.197065Z
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@DejaVu @KeepTakingTheSoma @HebrideanHecate I can only speak to my own jurisdiction, but previously, staff could work anywhere with PPE, regardless of their vaccination status, unless an outbreak was declared in their worksite or the individual staff member tested positive. Then, it was unpaid leave.
(DIR) Post #AChRdh1wZ6sgf6ZzMG by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:48:47.552777Z
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@DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate There is money in the NHS being spent on middle managers, diversity and inclusion officers etc etc. Plenty of money for rainbow lanyards, pronoun badges and copies of White Fragility. No wonder there's none left over for health care workers, equipment etc. Perhaps getting rid of some staff was the plan all along. Cleaners? Nurses? Not as important. Madness.
(DIR) Post #AChRgQzKfLnrmEfItE by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:50:45.179322Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate here, too. Lots and lots of managers, fewer and fewer cleaners and carers.
(DIR) Post #AChS6MYJmRdjY6OR1s by Ice@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:45:27.096790Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma I feel differently. If you’re in a job, any job, where you’re physically handling vulnerable people, then you need to be vaccinated for the relevant diseases unless you have a disability that prevents you from doing so.The flu is generally less deadly and less contagious than Covid, and the vaccines are also generally less effective than the ones broadly in use for Covid, so some (definitely not all) hospitals and clinics letting their staff choose to wear PPE during flu season rather than get the vaccine makes some sense. It doesn’t make sense for Covid. If you’re able to take the vaccine but won’t, then don’t work with patients in a hospital.
(DIR) Post #AChSwYvwzbJn0UL08O by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:04:52.807335Z
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@Ice @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma well, I won't try to dissuade you, but I wonder if you have any suggestions for dealing with the resulting staff shortages? Because we were short staffed and over census before the pandemic, and it's only gotten worse.
(DIR) Post #AChTEy1OSIdO1mexWq by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:01:56.973100Z
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@Ice @GrumpyOldNurse I recall seeing somewhere that it was mandatory to be vaccinated against one of the Hepatitis variants [variant C, I think] if you worked in a hospital / care setting. @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma
(DIR) Post #AChTEyWwYzs5bdQ9ho by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:08:12.595751Z
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@DejaVu @Ice @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma hepatitis B was mandatory for where I work, because there's lots of blood and body fluid exposures. But, they didn't implement that after people were hired.
(DIR) Post #AChTPt792aUpzfYbz6 by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:05:39.198081Z
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@Ice @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate I see where you are coming from, but there is a dangerous precedent here. Good personal hygiene and the appropriate equipment keeps people safe when they are particularly vulnerable eg intensive care. Vaccinations protect the individual only. The most commonly used eg TB have been around a long time having undergone long-term testing. So if I came into contact with someone who had TB, I would be protected from it because I have had that jab. My immunity cannot be passed on to others, nor can it be diluted by coming into contact with someone who hasn't had that jab. The best way to protect vulnerable patients would be to suggest that they have the necessary vaccinations to keep themselves safe and to ensure that they are supported by happy, healthy staff who work in an environment which values them by providing good pay and conditions.
(DIR) Post #AChTPtaDIVkTRp9pIG by Moonbuggy@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:10:10.683641Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Ice @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate I read just in the last couple of weeks they have found TB also spreads with aerosols (liquefied particals or droplets in the air) like COVID.
(DIR) Post #AChTV2tO75d9lfa8y8 by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:11:07.172867Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Ice @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate see, now, here's a different approach. I have not had TB vaccination, but get annual Mantoux test. TB is not routinely vaccinated for in Canada.
(DIR) Post #AChTayKhygY7MgBe0O by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:12:11.067646Z
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@Moonbuggy @KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice it absolutely does, and it is a right bugger to treat. 18 months of meds, on average. Endemic in certain places.
(DIR) Post #AChTc9aVcNZ0Yp8nGi by Flick@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:52:14.724508Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate I often think that the supporters of lockdown and all this madness can be described as middle-class people feeling virtuous while working-class people brought them things.100%.
(DIR) Post #AChTcA2ruwFTymPRTM by Froggo@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:08:17.531962Z
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@Flick @KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate Can confirm. I’m surrounded by woke government workers who are GLEEFUL about stripping people of EI, having them fired - it’s their entertainment from their posh home offices. The public sector is going to have a swath of lawsuits, too, from the few dissenters. It is not a requirement to be vaccinated in the original T&Cs and if they are teleworking they don’t need it. Saw is is showing how quick we are willing to throw other humans under the bus.
(DIR) Post #AChTdZga4Whzn8eswy by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:53:58.628234Z
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@Flick @KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse Bingo, all the oh how jolly it is, let’s build another fancygarden office, clap hands. And GPs sitting with their thumbsup their arse while al other workers carry on regardless.
(DIR) Post #AChTgWojC4xdlOsTYW by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:59:37.408354Z
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@Flick @KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate apart from everyone working with public transport, who are very much on the "FUCKING STAY AT HOME YOU FUCKERS" because their exposure has been massive. See also; retail staff, especially supermarkets. if you don't have to be out breathing all over people, don't be. Educational support staff, health care providers.I've said this so many times; the first lockdown is buying time to put all the other systems in place - masks, TT&I, etc. We didn't use it for that. Every other lockdown since is the admission of failure. We didn't need to be here.There's no 'herd immunity' like there's no herd immunity for HIV or Ebola. I'm not a 'supporter' of lockdown. What i am a supporter of is a solid public health response and we haven't had that. In the absence of that, wear a mask, stay at home, stop exposing other people to you and argue the living daylights out of a decent PH response. Lockdowns, like refugee camps, are an admission of failure.
(DIR) Post #AChTi6Ua2Z4ghICll2 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:13:22.995328Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Moonbuggy @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma It’s been coming back as well, over the last few years.
(DIR) Post #AChTk3k1EuJukDMJ7Z by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:13:49.790036Z
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@HebrideanHecate @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy antibiotic resistant strains, too.
(DIR) Post #AChTnDuls5NfAJtf5k by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:55:54.858615Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu There is only c*vid now. They can put it as the cause of death, the reason for illness etc etc. I have a friend who works in my local hospital doing tests. She says that the stage 3 and 4 cancer diagnoses are off the charts because of lack of GP services to catch them early. But the cynic in me suspects that these will be categorised as c*vid deaths too. Just terrible.
(DIR) Post #AChTnESRqsJqqleYaG by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:59:43.847225Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse Well, a surgeon friend of mine who had changed careersfrom burn out went back at the start of this to help outif needed, he was enraged at being basically made to lieon death certs by Scot Govt, he told them no, he would notdo it and withdrew his offer.
(DIR) Post #AChTpZyioHI8AqrsWG by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:56:26.508033Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse It sounds like two things are possible here. We don't yet know all there is to know about this coronavirus, whereas we know pretty much all there is to know about the influenza virus, so are able to manage treatment of 'flu better. Beyond that, it could be an insurance issue; that insurance companies are not prepared to insure the risk of legal liability for hospitals during this pandemic now that we have the vaccines. [This is not applicable to UK NHS, which insures itself.]UK elderly care / nursing home sector is private business and this insurance issue is likely to be why it is mandatory for staff to be vaccinated in those settings.@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma
(DIR) Post #AChTsUECe6czCzUmdk by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T19:51:46.799782Z
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@DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate I have no idea. I wonder what happened in all the years when we had common or garden colds and flu. Flu is another illness which affects people differently according to age, co-morbidities etc. I should imagine that similar precautions would need to be taken.
(DIR) Post #AChU0y2LhXgZyXzkBs by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:16:53.160419Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate we've had a couple of close calls lately with flus that could have gone pandemic, but fortunately didn't. We're actually quite lucky that from 1918 to 2019 we didn't have another major pandemic.
(DIR) Post #AChUDh447Crv6LrkuG by macha@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:15:31.842011Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma Good in theory but difficult when care services are so stretched. Also lots of vulnerable people are not aware of their risks and would have no idea that they could say no. Also if they say no they are unlikely to get another carer that day and would have to make do putting themselves at risk.My sister and I have learnt that we need to meet and train all care givers for our parents. Some are brilliant but others not. I cannot imagine how stressful this is for people who have parent reliant on state care and how have no choice or control.
(DIR) Post #AChUDhViSOzEU6nq0O by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:19:10.686460Z
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@macha @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma see? This, to me, reveals the existing gaps. And, whoo boy, are they big gaps.In Canada, we have been over census and under staffed for years.
(DIR) Post #AChUDzCAho33KhnU2a by Moonbuggy@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:19:14.129309Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma I am no expert but in the US at least it is spreading among people homeless and on the street, I guess particularly because they don't have access to healthcare. I was watching an interesting YouTube video where a doctor (and I believe his med students) were taking care to people on the st in LA. They were giving them health checks and making sure they were taking their medication. They had backpacks so they could treat people immediately. I know many people struggling with homelessness also find their health goes down hill (no surprise). At least they can try and keep patients stable while homeless so their problems don't become even more acute. Very sad.
(DIR) Post #AChUEirAwCaMwuKMhU by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:15:26.862888Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy I didn’t have the BCG in school, was born immune, apparently.
(DIR) Post #AChUIg6v5bkpagZtku by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:18:03.357960Z
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@Moonbuggy @KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @Ice we've known that about TB for a really long time. In western countries we're vaccinated effectively early. for people who have TB, there are effective treatments, and often this involves DOTS (Direct Observation Treatment Systems) - like methadone, turn up at the chemist and take it in front of a pharmacist bec if you don't, you're laying the foundations for very powerful mutations.I remember in Ebola in 2014-16, a whole lot of stuff going on in the US about how aid workers should isolate forever. And pointing out to them that they're on the subway every day with people who have TB, HIV, Hep B & Hep C, etc. That treating people like they have leprosy is never going to work. Horses for course. You know if you have TB. There's treatment. HIV is not airborne. Ebola is hugely infectious but only when you're sick (and while it can look a lot like typhus, malaria, and diptheria, you know you're sick). Covid is very transmissable, airborne & you can share it without being symptomatic. So put a mask on, keep a distance. That's it. That's the rules.
(DIR) Post #AChULnriiIrqVixUzw by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:14:12.542376Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice My ex had to ask for the hep b jab because he was working with the needle exchange programme back in the day. Most people want the relevant jabs; ones which have been tried and tested. What's going on here is something much more sinister. Look after yourself. I'm lucky in that, even though I'm now unemployed, I have enough reserves, no debts and some family as a safety net. Not everyone is in that position, I understand why so many people have no choice but to comply.
(DIR) Post #AChUMZvG2SDZYaz0Ay by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:20:02.624297Z
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@Moonbuggy @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma TB is a biggie in the homeless community when it is around.
(DIR) Post #AChUOkcTEqP9JQEP8S by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:21:02.777319Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Moonbuggy @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @Ice Very nasty.
(DIR) Post #AChUTC03NffXOCNcZc by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:21:59.159202Z
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@Moonbuggy @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma in Canada, it's homeless, prisons, and (surprise!) reservations. But, we aren't racist!!
(DIR) Post #AChUVeKB2e57ocxq2i by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:20:42.581486Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice TB jabs were phased out for a while. I had one, but neither of my children did. I think they may make a comeback because instances of TB increased, possibly through immigration. We're still talking about small numbers though. In the UK we had a resurgence of measles about 10 years ago in a few towns. That was a jab my children had but I didn't because I caught measles before I was old enough to get the jab.
(DIR) Post #AChUYaMGFFtENnL4Yi by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:22:00.869632Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy lucky you! so much of the anti-biotic resistance is people not taking the full course of antibiotics and being the absolutely fertile field of "oooh here's a petri dish for a new variant".People take the meds til they feel better unless you make them take the whole lot. The last week of them aren't about making you feel better, they're about making sure it's wholly done and not mutating.
(DIR) Post #AChUjpXM9NuUe2tH7Y by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:23:57.035805Z
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@grace_hawthorn @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy Tell me about it…”You WILL swallow every last one of thosepills or I will come and force feed you them myself” had beenon my lips a few times, so many don’t understand this.
(DIR) Post #AChUksGFVXqdNoO1yq by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:25:09.813501Z
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@grace_hawthorn @HebrideanHecate @DejaVu @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy TB's causitive organism is, frankly, fascinating. And terrifying. If I were a research scientist type, I'd love to study that stubborn bugger! Spores, baby...
(DIR) Post #AChUlzhbKLj2kciLh2 by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:25:06.191186Z
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@Moonbuggy Our homeless people were taken off the street and placed in hotels during the shutdown periods. By all accounts they were very well cared for by hotel staff. It meant that they had a safe place to be, could get medical care and other services, and some hotels had full occupancy and income from the state until lockdown ended and they could open to regular guests again. A good plan that worked all round for many, I think.@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma
(DIR) Post #AChUmdv7nUJJU9LiKG by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:23:35.520061Z
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@Moonbuggy @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice That we still tolerate homelessness in the west should be a source of shame to us all. I know that a very small percentage is inevitable, but most of it could be prevented with proper support. Ex-military personnel are vastly over-represented among the homeless. It's a disgrace.
(DIR) Post #AChUmeR1srpb56HC3U by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:24:59.021871Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @Ice Tell me about it, it gives me the RAGE. Saw a lot of ex army whenworked for Shelter. Outrageous, and about to get even worse.
(DIR) Post #AChUvBk7vgQihWHPlY by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:26:41.453370Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @Ice @Moonbuggy The daisy stamp. I remember it well. The thing I remember was a girl in my class called Debbie who complained that is she had the shot then she wouldn't be able to wear an off-the-shoulder blouse because of the mark!
(DIR) Post #AChV0hVPGRrieu1UIq by Moonbuggy@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:28:02.089702Z
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@DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma Yes especially as they would've had a private bathroom so easier to maintain personal hygiene and not endangering themselves by being physically vulnerable in a shared bathroom space (if available).
(DIR) Post #AChV2zuToAIOJmqW6C by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:27:38.993389Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy ALL THE SPORES .....
(DIR) Post #AChV53DgTQ7PA7o9AG by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:28:49.700020Z
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@grace_hawthorn @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @Ice @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy C. diff, baby!! Nasty. 😂🤣😂
(DIR) Post #AChVJGXJl8IYW8lla4 by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:30:32.727815Z
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@HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @Ice @Moonbuggy i won't even say it's 'inevitable' for a small number. It doesn't have to happen at all, if we don't want it to. And women are invisible in this bec women are less on-street because it's so dangerous in ways additional to the danger for men. Women are sofa-surfing so much and also being sexually exploited to be indoors. all of it is an absolute outrage. None of it is inevitable. No-one needs to be homeless in the UK. All of it is a political decision.
(DIR) Post #AChVNgyPPQm5fVYGqe by Piss_Ant@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T20:32:12.129614Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma ugh when will people learn that employees need sick days? That's awful. It doesn't benefit anyone when sick employees come in.
(DIR) Post #AChbeeCNZtf1i8YR7o by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T21:08:26.334269Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma As far as I am aware, hospital staff are required tt have the 'flu vaccination each year.The purpose of these vaccinations is to try to stop hospitals / health services, where they work, from being overwhelmed with patients. It is working. Most Covid patients in hospital now are the unvaccinated.@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #AChbh0maa9NMKicPpo by Spring@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T21:10:23.618097Z
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@DejaVu Flu strongly encouraged here (England) but not mandatory @KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #AChf9SjSYl7gzJPeu8 by DejaVu@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T21:15:17.627050Z
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@Spring Thanks. I'm in England too. Do most health staff have the 'flu jab do you know?I have mine like a religious rite, every year 🙂 Will do the same with Covid.@GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma
(DIR) Post #AChf9TIYSHCCk9pgbg by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:21:04.632914Z
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@DejaVu @Spring @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate I was considering having a flu one and I was offered it for the first time this year, but I am going to wait until this madness is over. One of the unfortunate consequences of this is that I have lost trust in the health service. We shall see how things work out.
(DIR) Post #AChfSCQrO2gXw7eDEu by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:22:40.985632Z
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@DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate That's interesting. Mind you, it depends on how unvaccinated is defined. https://off-guardian.org/2021/10/23/cdc-director-we-may-need-to-update-our-definition-of-fully-vaccinated/
(DIR) Post #AChfSCxTQmlzZGuG4e by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:25:03.671951Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate I, personally, would like to see some titre testing. Last time my vaccination status on a preexisting disease was questioned, I had my tires checked. Just sayin'.
(DIR) Post #AChg18oUpiaiqfMfnU by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:31:22.387386Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate not tires, damnit, autocarrot you bastard. Titres. Titres.Anyway, I've got lots of hepB antibodies.
(DIR) Post #AChi5vlOynfBjOKS4O by xzy45@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:42:53.154376Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma I don't understand this either, because it has been made clear that having the vaccine won't stop the spread of it, purely reduce the chance of serious illness, so I'm not getting all the 'selfish bastards' type approach for those who choose not to take it, because surely they are only risking themselves and not others?Whats bonkers is that everyone is not fully aware of this by this stage. We've had so much coverage of this for so long now.
(DIR) Post #AChi5wDlHMLf9Lb6H2 by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T22:54:39.127714Z
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@xzy45 @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma there's all kinds of conflicting information, though, and that doesn't help at all.
(DIR) Post #AChkPclRWoGgVPrmVs by Fullycaffeinated@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T23:20:37.188698Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma It was supposed to be Oct 15th here (I think) but they've pushed it back a month because they realized they can't make up the shortfalls if they send everyone home. The professional orders have said that they will suspend the licences of anyone who doesn't get the vaccine. The unions are threatening grievances if it happens.
(DIR) Post #AChmxMXmXcRfxAgy1Y by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T23:49:07.409924Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma meanwhile, Alberta has called in the army. Because smrt.My manager sent out an email asking for volunteers for redeployment, but there are staff in my home unit who aren't vaccinated. So...
(DIR) Post #AChnSutireDVTe06me by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-24T23:54:49.695182Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma bit of an ethical dilemma: my mister says I'd be a scab if I picked up shifts for the suspended staff, but a coworker pointed out we'd be paid overtime (thus punishing the employer), but I don't think they actually care about budget overages. Also, I feel bad for the patients and staff who suffer when we're short staffed, but I know the employer has traditionally used nurses' sense of duty against us in contract disputes.Any bioethicists in the house?
(DIR) Post #ACiNdNrpbkgCZPPGxE by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T06:11:54.475113Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma I hope the unions blast their arse to hell.
(DIR) Post #ACijGAyrYH6Kvz2Bc0 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T06:13:57.489803Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma “but I know the employer has traditionally used nurses’ sense of duty against us in contract disputes.” time and time again, as friend alwayssays we should have struck good and proper decades ago, but…duty.
(DIR) Post #ACijfhjKvWGxkEwdge by Fullycaffeinated@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T10:47:01.292287Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma So do I. Government spent over a year calling them 'guardian angels' and hoping to hell they didn't quit or burn out while they worked their asses off without a vaccine and now says they can't do their jobs without one? Nurses know about safety protocols and PPE. If they didn't we would have lost far more than we did.
(DIR) Post #ACinCaxlPMSoAv4Hnk by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T10:56:44.122235Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma Absolutely, at the start of this one of my friends was havinga turn about the whole wash your hands thing, like this wasa new and novel concept, she kept saying I don’t get this, dopeople not wash their hands, it’s like a new thing! She was utterly bemused by it. But then she did catering and I alwaysdo a surgical scrub anyway when going out and coming in,force of habit etc.
(DIR) Post #ACivUBQns7eTptY5qK by Moonbuggy@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T12:59:24.736824Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma It's despicable how the government are treating those who kept the rest of us alive and had to work exposed to covid with no meaningful PPE and no vaccine. The hypocrisy is disgusting. So many must be exhausted and burnt out.
(DIR) Post #ACj0ynMjteLZwi42QC by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T13:15:15.124786Z
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@HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse @Fullycaffeinated Governments and managers exploiting people's good will and kindness and using them as a negotiating weapon?Surely not!
(DIR) Post #ACj1BE1oakiy75CiLg by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T14:03:12.729193Z
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@Moonbuggy @HebrideanHecate @Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma quitting in droves, especially the younger ones. I'm too old to retrain for a different career.
(DIR) Post #ACj1C4t83mGg3UY1fU by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T13:10:16.458325Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse Indeed. Some of us were washing our hands before 2019! 🤦♀️ But some of us just wanted everyone to know how virtuous they were.
(DIR) Post #ACj1CWZb7zHXv1cp72 by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T13:11:35.593265Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse We were genuinely astonished! As was my uncle, but thenhe is actually a bit OCD re hand washing 😁 you’d thinkpeople had never washed a hand ever.
(DIR) Post #ACj1DB5YUac1ZisuTg by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T13:11:19.922036Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @HebrideanHecate @GrumpyOldNurse We have all been treated as if we cannot do anything right unless nanny state is checking up on us all the time. Rude and infantilising behaviour from our governments.
(DIR) Post #ACj1K7lFGLSVHXhH9s by xzy45@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T10:28:42.532767Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma yes, and for many, maybe never studied science or had any interest in it, it may be difficult to grasp, plus there are various vax in use with differing results, but in the UK the PM has said this, so have the scientists on the COBRA, the head of the Health Minister, and the head of the NHS. I've not heard any of those say it reduces the rate of contagion, only the severity and hospital admissions.
(DIR) Post #ACj1K8FNSJYsmznL7o by xzy45@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T10:44:15.154181Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @DejaVu @HebrideanHecate @KeepTakingTheSoma not 'head of' the Health Minister! ha!Also, of course the rate of deaths is affected.
(DIR) Post #ACj1bGn6wTZED9kH9E by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T14:07:55.567159Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma the thing is, if we walk away, people suffer right now. It's hard to think long term when you see the faces of those who will suffer for it right now but not benefit later.But, yes, I wish previous nurses had been stronger than I am!! 😂😭🤣
(DIR) Post #ACj1gWCB63jBR0yNqC by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T06:02:42.634088Z
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@grace_hawthorn @DejaVu @GrumpyOldNurse @KeepTakingTheSoma @Moonbuggy It absolutely is a political decision and has been for years, all parties,and damn them to hell for it too, as they dabble in the property marketthemselves and add to the problems that way too…I HATE THEM.
(DIR) Post #ACjgQZrnm7uoJBxYpc by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T21:13:51.884494Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Moonbuggy @Fullycaffeinated @HebrideanHecate I'm giving serious thought to doing something else. Education is in freefall and I don't think it can be saved. It may have to crash and burn. People keep making the mistake of thinking that the answer to failing government interference and stifling bureaucracy is more of the same. Until this culture changes we will be stuck with public services which are not fit for purpose.
(DIR) Post #ACjlKTKzdZG45lWPcO by Fullycaffeinated@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T22:40:19.282491Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @HebrideanHecate @Moonbuggy Yeah, education is another field that is fucked. At least our government seems to have noticed and didn't fuck us over more in the collective agreement negotiations. Not that they had much choice, people are quitting in droves and have been for a decade.
(DIR) Post #ACjlRQY0PQl9SvvOEq by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T22:41:34.695016Z
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@Fullycaffeinated @KeepTakingTheSoma @HebrideanHecate @Moonbuggy see, now, how can we have a viable society if we don't educate our young people? I'm so tired of these short sighted idiots.
(DIR) Post #ACjlsKSLAHKAOO6Pz6 by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-25T22:46:11.645398Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Fullycaffeinated @HebrideanHecate @Moonbuggy Teaching in the UK has had a throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater culture for years and years. It has obsessed with teach to the test rather than learning for its own sake; what to think rather than how to think. I've only survived by doing agency work and short-term contracts. I have noticed that more and more people are starting to home-school. This could be an interesting development.
(DIR) Post #ACkRQk9KExde2rjlXU by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-26T06:27:19.737771Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @Fullycaffeinated @Moonbuggy Partner says same, send him round the twist, little chance tomake things more rounded and it became much worse underthe embarrassingly parochial shite that is Scotland’s grandeducational fuck up in the shite called Curriculum For Excellence.And bad as it was when the rolled it out it became even worse.The Scot Govt flushed Scottish education down the lav.
(DIR) Post #ACkS6VjgDi3bVLer9E by firebird2110@spinster.xyz
2021-10-26T06:39:04.001328Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @GrumpyOldNurse @Fullycaffeinated @HebrideanHecate @Moonbuggy I read the news stories about the state of the school system, teaching to the test, mental health crisis, QT indoctrination, etc. etc. and every time I thank my lucky stars that I came across Home Education when dd was little and decided not to send her to school.
(DIR) Post #ACkqcmbOWiyWEC1ZhI by KeepTakingTheSoma@spinster.xyz
2021-10-26T10:07:28.329208Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse @Moonbuggy Hard not to see this as a deliberate long-term strategy. Create a generation of poorly educated people who can be terrified into submission, will accept any government policy marketed as for their own good and the good of society, are told what to think not how to think, accept pre-packaged ideologies as solutions without question, and are less able to argue back with any coherence.
(DIR) Post #ACl5hu9NOC4mOkorOC by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-10-26T10:09:27.243842Z
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@KeepTakingTheSoma @Fullycaffeinated @GrumpyOldNurse @Moonbuggy Of course it’s deliberate!