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 (DIR) Post #ACeqsMIFBDLvlsLrN2 by alex@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T13:48:53.268940Z
       
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       I remember back in the day there was the idea that a laptop could replace your desktop. I didn’t believe it at the time, but now I use a laptop as my main computer, docked with some extra screens. Today the idea your phone can do everything seems equally unlikely, but in the future, who knows…
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerI9H8CdYovT838K by mcgee@poa.st
       2021-10-23T13:53:34.511284Z
       
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       @alex >PinePhoneThey still on that "We have no QA, don't bitch at us and dont chargeback if you receive a device with 1/4 of the screen as dead pixels" tirade?
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerITHrnc24zXcv3Y by sullybiker@sully.site
       2021-10-23T13:53:36Z
       
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       @alex Our university got rid of all desktop computers in student areas (small building, no space) mandated laptops and provided a vm forest for some of the rarer software. All students must have laptops.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerKQAyKzPhvCKcbo by dave@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T13:53:58.906879Z
       
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       @alex Apple's chips have insane perf/watt and could probably do it. I think Apple would rather sell you 2 computers though
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerL2nElAbJgsWiWm by sullybiker@sully.site
       2021-10-23T13:54:05Z
       
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       @alex We're not quite Tablet friendly yet, but some places are already there.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerOQBaF7GB6uWbzc by sullybiker@sully.site
       2021-10-23T13:54:40Z
       
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       @alex Things like printing and non-standardization cause a lot of trouble with BYOD.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerRnd7XCTGgq13Qm by sullybiker@sully.site
       2021-10-23T13:55:18Z
       
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       @alex For example Apple Silicon has caused chaos this year; no native vsphere client, among other things.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACerVdjkG7BZAIwhnc by sullybiker@sully.site
       2021-10-23T13:55:59Z
       
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       @alex It's not supported, but It doesn't stop hundreds of students buying them because Apple.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACesJFxavxy9u15CRU by wowaname@anime.website
       2021-10-23T14:04:58.951871Z
       
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       @alex i just wish desktop and laptop display resolutions were on par with smartphones
       
 (DIR) Post #ACeuuVMOq6qyHuZfXM by dushman@neckbeard.xyz
       2021-10-23T14:34:05.831891Z
       
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       @alex I'm a die hard fan of desktop PCs. Laptops just can't compete in terms of customizability and repeatability.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACeuz8EsEQMc1gGD9U by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
       2021-10-23T14:34:57.186748Z
       
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       @alex This is already possible with Android and Linux phones. GrapheneOS has this feature planned so you can have a PC-like device with maxiumum security and Verified Boot, which PCs simply don't give.If you don't care about security, Linux is a great way to do this (performance isn't taken into account here).
       
 (DIR) Post #ACex6lX8jX69pcZX9c by bufordk@noagendasocial.com
       2021-10-23T14:58:44Z
       
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       @alexREALLY unlikely if you have a PinePhone. Windows Continuum actually worked because of the superior hardware of the last gen Lumia line of phones then Micro$loth went and killed the whole mobile platform.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACexdA8Snc4XOrTh6u by socjuswiz@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:04:35.720943Z
       
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       @alex It's only logical. Why have so many general purpose computers when one can do it all.I used to fantasize about this possibility ten years ago and figured that the only reason it's not already widely available is that it's bad business under capitalism.That being said, after about ten years of laptops and smartphones only, I finally have a desktop PC again, and a pretty over-powered one at that. :blobpeek: In my defense though, I don't privately own a separate laptop, I just have the one from work that I'm allowed to use privately as well. (For a few years it was the only computer I used, literally didn't own one of my own, not counting smartphones.)
       
 (DIR) Post #ACezUY12qKv4lX1mls by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:14:52.591387Z
       
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       @alex A laptop is a lot closer to a desktop than a smartphone or a tablet is to either. Practically all of my work is done through computer, with loads of different programmes involved, and there’s not a bat’s chance in a sand desert of a device without a proper keyboard and proper-sized screen replacing my desktop. I use a laptop at home for my personal stuff, and the difference between my laptop and the desktop I have at work really isn’t that big from my point of view.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACezc4eVtpNc0t4szI by alex@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:26:47.570278Z
       
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       @Gnomeshatecheese There are devices where you can slide a phone into a laptop “shell”, where it’s just an added screen, keyboard, and battery, but all the work still happens on the phone.The only limitation is that phones aren’t powerful enough yet to actually replace your laptop.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf0Jw0VP5YNwTHLG4 by flvc@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:34:43.944527Z
       
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       @alex @Gnomeshatecheese Aren't Apple's ARM processors almost as fast as laptop processors? I would like to buy a laptop with a high-end ARM processor to run Linux on it, but the only one I know is Pinebook Pro which is pretty weak.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf0OZcM4hMNwyC7bE by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:34:22.493940Z
       
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       @alex Yup. I realized this the day I slapped down over $3k for my custom MSI gaming rig (laptop). It ranks UFO on PCbuilder. Laptops for life, bye bye immobile desktop clunker.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf0XYel1BF1ZibPAu by alex@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:37:10.790489Z
       
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       @flvc @Gnomeshatecheese I dunno. I tried using an ARM convertible tablet years ago and was disappointed with the performance. Maybe it’s better now.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf0a6s0mbiyGa1Dlo by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:35:50.292032Z
       
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       @alex Well from my point of view the hardware behind the keyboard and screens is irrelevant. Though I loathe the idea of having a single device that one has to carry with at all times (hence I still have a normal cell phone as opposed to a smartphone). What matters is the ease of use for the programmes I need for work (or hobbies etc.). I have yet to see that realised on portable devices and until that happens, I see no point in not having an actual separate machine for those purposes. For multiple reasons, not the least being having my eggs in multiple baskets.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1Gim0FakRz1WjCq by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:45:22.532861Z
       
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       @alex @flvc @Gnomeshatecheese unless they change the architecture itself, I'd be shocked if it was any faster. I've got a 2 core intel and an rpi with 4 cores, both at the same clock speed. The rpi only about a year old and the intel 8 years old. The intel runs about 10x faster on literally every task. It's quite stunning.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1RmCbqE2tnuF9HM by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:47:22.453369Z
       
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       @alex be aware that the performance on a pine phone is an absolute joke. Completely unusable for anything other than using a ternimal. Extremely isolated tests try to make it look acceptable, but try running it in the real world and you're going to be dismayed at your lack of ability to do literally anything (including just text messaging).
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1ZihSkN3zG4Sjg0 by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:42:39.439067Z
       
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       @GnomeshatecheeseA laptop with a 17" screen is very nice. I haven't ever felt limited by it. And if you want a real keyboard - MSI offers mechanical keyboards on their laptops. I love them. Game changer.@alex
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1iiZGbk3rSEv4N6 by alex@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:50:24.697110Z
       
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       @RustyCrab Yeah but do you remember when laptops looked like this and nobody believed it could ever replace a desktop?
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1jMBvHx9iLQIzXU by Clariana@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:50:32.645043Z
       
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       @FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Gnomeshatecheese @alex My issue with that is laptops are meant to be "portable" and 17" is mighty big. I do all my work online and I have a desktop (Lenovo) and recently bought a Surface laptop as a back up and to take on holidays.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1mpO5C7dDlOeEqG by deprecated@poa.st
       2021-10-23T15:51:10.184447Z
       
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       @alex the hardware is good enoughthe software developers are not
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1n2Jb86lhrFeL9k by Clariana@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:51:12.447661Z
       
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       @FemaleIsNotAFeeling @Gnomeshatecheese @alex 2 screens attached to the Lenovo, almost a requirement when you're a translator.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1rxHhGFTPhg6d2O by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:52:06.287761Z
       
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       @alex yeah maybe in the future, but just beware that it is DEFINITELY not there yet... not even for a light weight daily driver.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1tPEcpMUcgDMRkG by polarisera@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:52:21.476717Z
       
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       @alex You idiot, our grandpappies put people on the moon with less computing power than an apple watch.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1tsZBlzAneOCmK8 by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:52:27.142229Z
       
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       @deprecated @alex I talked to the devs and was not impressed.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf1wXjVgiT9uBIqoq by stevejail@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:52:55.644029Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @alex Yeah, it was fun to play with but ultimately I regret my purchase. Free hardware doesn't mean much it can't run anything, and it's a terrible medium for the one thing it can run.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf213DGaX34hGN3R2 by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:53:44.932296Z
       
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       @alex to be clear, if you want to MAKE software for a phone like this, that's cool. If you just need to get on with your day with a working phone... prepare to be horrified.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf285ezt6IIJWhMBs by stevejail@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:55:00.865555Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @alex If they ever manage to put out hardware that can handle... well, anything. Might be a different story then.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2BtTp7DaDhDHlXU by alex@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:55:40.936763Z
       
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       @RustyCrab Of course. Even my Thinkpad struggles with some tasks.It’ll be interesting to see how Steam Deck performs as a desktop, and if anyone truly uses it that way.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2F0bH6DDkeDFwRs by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:56:16.286194Z
       
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       @stevejail @alex supposedly the Librem is a lot better, but I'm sorry, I'm not spending $2,000 on a phone.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2J4HTMB7BDlvgZM by stevejail@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:56:59.867906Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @alex The specs don't look like anything amazing, either. I'm happy with my stupid phone for now.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2LDFcybfJcZ5aeu by stevejail@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T15:57:22.856986Z
       
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       @alex @RustyCrab I plan to use it that way.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2LZnP9hkvXh3sMS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2021-10-23T15:57:25.406342Z
       
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       @deprecated @alex Well problem is that the last 10+ years of linux telephony (that nokia created) basically went to dust.And of course the great CADT force is there to not learn from any of it.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2QoWHq8AkeiYIIi by QueenoftheDeepRealm@freespeechextremist.com
       2021-10-23T15:58:24.532824Z
       
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       @inference @alex when is this coming to GrapheneOS?
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2UHLP7yDUvE78gi by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
       2021-10-23T15:59:00.980087Z
       
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       @QueenoftheDeepRealm @alex No timeframe, but it was mentioned by the developer on GitHub in an issue.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2UOFHT8TgKGIqcC by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T15:59:03.051499Z
       
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       @alex A lot of consoles can deal with games due to being specialized and running almost nothing in the background. That's how chromebooks manage to be so snappy with no hardware to speak of. At the same time, though, that makes them very limited in what they can do at any given moment. I'll be interested to see if steamdeck can deal with that
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf2ji95lM06OAiJrU by deprecated@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:01:48.663381Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @alex if general purpose hardware was simpler we could back to Amiga style “every application is its own OS” and actually use hardware to its full potential instead of the 1-5% we’re getting nownot that the skills are there to do it, of course
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf3EMoF8lrfC0a0n2 by mona@frennet.link
       2021-10-23T16:07:20.552060Z
       
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       @alex @Gnomeshatecheese i owned this phone and loved this whole idea kinda sad it never was a real product
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf3UXMFgmRIXeCJua by skylar@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:10:16.415501Z
       
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       @deprecated @RustyCrab @alex i'd like to congratulate programmers for negating decades of exponential growth in processing power, memory & storage capacity, and to a lesser extent internet speed through the industry's complete inability to optimize ANYTHING.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf4WjSOSTpmtnk8VU by FemaleIsNotAFeeling@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T15:56:49.511527Z
       
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       @Clariana That's true. It sure is big, it's no skinnybook. And I wouldn't just slip it in my backpack and go. But it is super nice to be able to move it around my house wherever I want. Bedroom, living room, couch, etc. It really doesn't leave my house too much though...to expensive, I baby it and am very overprotective of it and so it stays within these walls.When I did take it for a trip once, I carried it in a hardshell briefcase.@Gnomeshatecheese @alex
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf4peHztbUiNEttei by Guy-on-Poast@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:25:17.322365Z
       
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       @skylar @deprecated @RustyCrab @alex Users: More powerful hardware? great think how much more we can do with this!Devs: More powerful hardware? great think how much less effort we have to put into optimizing our software now!
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf523pal2IF47X5Hc by deprecated@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:27:32.158975Z
       
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       @Guy-on-Poast @skylar @RustyCrab @alex great we can add another even more dumbed down abstraction layer
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf5a0PpxjRiJofjt2 by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T16:33:40.842083Z
       
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       @deprecated @alex @Guy-on-Poast @skylar I don't have a problem with that as much as the horrific bloat of modern OS's. Windows would be one hell of a lot faster if there weren't ~300 useless processes polling for CPU at any given time.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf5zkvaAX9doRncwq by skylar@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:38:19.533071Z
       
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       @deprecated @Guy-on-Poast @RustyCrab @alex >be an urbanite in silicon valley or some other tech bro shithole>multiple ISPs offering residential gigabit fiber, it's a 5G city, <2ms to at least a dozen datacenters hosting popular CDNs>company issued new flagship phone & high end laptop>assume this is the default computing experience>never learn anything about networking or underlying infrastructure, just write shitty code>expect everything to be always online, completely fail to even consider latency or throughput or data caps
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf67mMihvAeaXJokS by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T16:39:47.119916Z
       
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       @skylar @alex @Guy-on-Poast @deprecated for all the things that FOSS does wrong, weird rural use cases for users is one thing they do very right
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf6rwcysujDjkwDRI by skylar@poa.st
       2021-10-23T16:48:05.972574Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @Guy-on-Poast @alex @deprecated i've seen so many cases where companies move everything to "the cloud" to save money, their provider has a major outage, and suddenly they're paying dozens of employees to sit around doing nothing for 3 weeks.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf7BiS3IkSDYtFncG by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T16:51:42.074993Z
       
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       @skylar @alex @Guy-on-Poast @deprecated cloud has it's uses, but it should be used maybe about 10% of what it actually is right now
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf8IYOlB1n8McXR20 by skylar@poa.st
       2021-10-23T17:04:07.997041Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @Guy-on-Poast @alex @deprecated yeah it's great for services meant to be provided to the general public, like external DNS or your public web site.but then some retards think "i will throw away my file server and upload everything to office 365, then download it again on 200 other computers in the same office, this makes perfect sense"
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf8XHDfKWPDQbMxzk by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
       2021-10-23T17:06:48.177787Z
       
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       @skylar @alex @Guy-on-Poast @deprecated cloud services are at least good for fireproof backups PROVIDED YOU ENCRYPT EVERYTHING.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf8ko80HtObG0An9U by skylar@poa.st
       2021-10-23T17:09:14.428845Z
       
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       @RustyCrab @Guy-on-Poast @alex @deprecated until you do the math and realize it'll take 3 weeks minimum to download before you can even begin to decrypt and decompress, and your provider will send you a giant bill for the outbound bandwidth cause that's their whole business model.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf8tlmyM0wEbmbqYy by Locksmith@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T17:10:50.691518Z
       
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       @flvc @alex @Gnomeshatecheese if you are talking about the M1 chip that is used in the laptops, the mac mini, and the ipad pro, apple’s arm chips are very competitive. currently beats out everything in its price bracket and beats quite a few above it. If you are talking about thier “A” series chips that are used in thier phones and other ipads, i’m not quite sure where they are, but they are typically among the top chips in phones for that year.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACf91TV6EWf2ClvK4G by Locksmith@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T17:12:14.779533Z
       
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       @alex @Gnomeshatecheese pretty sure you can still do this with samsung devices. just connect it to a monitor, etc. and you should be able to use it via “Samsung Dex”.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACfADVWuc9PNva4a92 by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
       2021-10-23T17:25:38.578941Z
       
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       @alex @RustyCrab This. Also reminds me of all the FUD thrown around over blockchain stuff.“THIS IS MURDERING THE PLANET! IT’S COMPLETELY UNSUSTAINABLE!”Yeah, and I’m sure back in the 1800’s there were environmentalists shitting themselves over the energy cost of automobiles. “IT NEEDS THAT MUCH GASOLINE PER MILE?!”
       
 (DIR) Post #ACfIrMN2t12cjnyJm4 by flvc@gleasonator.com
       2021-10-23T19:02:27.585589Z
       
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       @Locksmith @Gnomeshatecheese @alex I'm talking about the A series because that's what they use in mobile phones. I hear good things about them.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACfUJCTSNG8peFRrt2 by rms@iddqd.social
       2021-10-23T20:39:28.665174Z
       
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       @flvc @alex @Gnomeshatecheese > Aren't Apple's ARM processors almost as fast as laptop processors?The processor in a current-generation iPad Pro or iPhone Pro is as powerful as a typical business laptop. And it would run rings around a high-end gaming rig from ten years ago.The current challenge is one of market incentive, not tech.
       
 (DIR) Post #ACfavU364xs2sul0To by Eah@spinster.xyz
       2021-10-23T16:48:02.695554Z
       
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       @socjuswiz @alex there are already plenty of people who don't see any point in owning a laptop or desktop. They are usually using their phones and their tablets. This is mostly the case when someone doesn't do computer work. Laptops are becoming a white collar accessory. For entertainment and browsing (consumer uses), phones and tablets are preferred.This is one reason why I get so angry about the Google play store censorship of our apps. MOST internet activity is happening on these devices, and it is hard enough to convince people to get a new app as it is without adding any extra steps to it.