Post ACWzQimJKghDindFdw by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
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(DIR) Post #ACWzQhqAoqBwoUQp1c by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T18:31:47.693793Z
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@AnimeTradCath what is your take on sedevacantism?
(DIR) Post #ACWzQiJx280kIqMbRI by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T18:36:36.091323Z
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@MrSamQc in the current situation that the Church is currently in, running away is the nothing but cowardice.
(DIR) Post #ACWzQimJKghDindFdw by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T18:38:21.083901Z
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@AnimeTradCath i assume you are most likely an fssp enjoyer then?
(DIR) Post #ACWzQjG5XyW1D9Z23c by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T18:42:58.799201Z
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@MrSamQc the Church that I attend is in fact a FSSP Church. I myself have no problems with the SSPX, as Archbishop Lefebvre is the reason why the Extraordinary Form still exists today.
(DIR) Post #ACWzZkYs4WghrHeQRU by stevejail@gleasonator.com
2021-10-19T18:41:56.543586Z
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@AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc Other similar movements in other Christianities like the ACNA are really getting legs. I wouldn't be so quick to call it running away.
(DIR) Post #ACWzt4KmmVFegWH5oO by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T18:52:11.854139Z
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@AnimeTradCath i started to go to the sspx. I used to go to a sedevacantist priest but to be honest, i'm too retarded to correctly debate in my head if the vatican ii is invalid or not so i just stick to the middle lane (which is the sspx for me). I don't see a problem with the fssp but the fssp in my area is a bit gay
(DIR) Post #ACX0YxplL87cgdk09I by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T18:59:45.235644Z
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@MrSamQc the SSPX has a podcast where the explain a lot of stuff relating to/tangential to Vatican II. I listen to it from time to time.
(DIR) Post #ACX0hQXqTcjg36Obbs by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:01:17.937175Z
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@AnimeTradCath oooo based, where can i listen to it?
(DIR) Post #ACX0oHQ4nq35m51u0O by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:02:30.934609Z
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@MrSamQc sspxpodcast.com/
(DIR) Post #ACX1IuIcoTRP2t9GXQ by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:08:03.688431Z
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@AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc Yes also Vatican 1 mentioned that we would have a pope until the end of time. There can be short interregnums between popes, and possibly even an antipope or two. But we cannot go many decades without a pope like the sedevacantists will say. If they are to believed no new pope could ever be elected, as all the cardinals would be invalid since they were picked by unreal popes. A fallback potentially is that in times of emergency the church at Rome can elect a new pope, but even they would all be invalid since they would be consecrated by unreal popes as well. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACX1arkn16IMMXsySe by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:11:18.316899Z
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@AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc Yes Archbishop Lefebvre seems like a very good man. There actually is a special exception in canon law that I believe allowed him to licitly consecrate the bishops as he did, and the SSPX believes this as well. So he never was excommunicated, as Pope John Paul II did not actually excommunicate him, but merely said that he had been automatically excommunicated due to his actions. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACX1icIkLsfIkrSs1w by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:12:42.791286Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath It really does not matter if Vatican II is valid or invalid, as Pope Paul VI said that nothing said during it was infallible. The whole council could be thrown out tomorrow without any issue. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACX1um027Vi4JAVZXk by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:14:54.375531Z
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@bebe @AnimeTradCath i mean, sedeprivationist (which is kind of my position) has an answer for this. If Francis or any Valid cardinal elected during vatican to take the seat, accept the Catholic Faith (not novus ordo) he will automaticly become the pope. To me it is best take to take compared to sedevacantism. Btw i'm quite unsure so the validity of Francis so atm i prefer not strongly taking a side.
(DIR) Post #ACX24tGLyEJhjLxxWy by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:16:44.661714Z
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@bebe @AnimeTradCath i did not know this, i thought it had to be infallible
(DIR) Post #ACX2H0YkfQGTptLkyO by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:18:54.655555Z
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@bebe @MrSamQc Thank you friend! 🙏
(DIR) Post #ACX2HrnSjSWWwrdklE by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:19:05.002277Z
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@bebe @MrSamQc Thank you friend. 🙏
(DIR) Post #ACX2ULOkV6eWEM1whM by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:21:20.518492Z
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@AnimeTradCath @bebe i just started to use this. I'm happy to see other Catholics, i was scared that it was just a bunch of cummers using this.
(DIR) Post #ACX2d52Ugyti6HmpG4 by AnimeTradCath@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:22:55.295348Z
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@MrSamQc unfortunately there's a lot of coomers here, but @bebe is an excellent Catholic to follow.
(DIR) Post #ACX2hyCvWIHQMNzw5Q by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:23:33.716595Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath I do think it is possible that Pope Benedict did not actually resign as pope. But I also know that whatever situation we are in would have to get sorted out by the cardinals or directly by God, not by me as a layperson. So until that point I will agree with what the cardinals say, which is that Francis is the pope. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACX2sIXykjOeL0lmkq by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:25:40.727615Z
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@bebe @AnimeTradCath very based, a friend of mine who goes to the fssp believes that he never resigned officially. It's an intresting take for sure.
(DIR) Post #ACX32dpWThIjF2uLaq by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-19T19:27:32.543450Z
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@AnimeTradCath @bebe yes, he seems very nice. There is this templar dude that i started following. I don't know if he's an actual catholic or if he's one of thoses fake Catholic larping as templar online because they like the Aestetic LUL
(DIR) Post #ACX3FU00LAeeW3vxRY by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:29:51.271656Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath Every other ecumenical council has had infallible statements. Usually these come in the form of dogmas or anathemas, but Vatican II had none of these, and as I mentioned before Pope Paul VI actually stated more than once that it wasn't infallible. So at best the council doesn't contradict prior Church teaching, but is worded poorly and has led to confusion. Or at worst it contradicts prior Church teaching and should be ignored. In either case I would think that it should just be best to just throw it out. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACX3OiJyScV7Xdfyz2 by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-19T19:31:25.395242Z
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@AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc Yes you are welcome friend.
(DIR) Post #ACXHntearW2THqDssS by Firstamongkittens@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-19T22:12:56.555325Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath @bebe Though I disagree on many issues with this channel, they are completely correct on the necessity of sedevacantism in these times, as the previous popes asked of us:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfdJ0g5dnhoNow, I must stress that one of the issues I heavily disagree with is on the issue of going to mass. I think you should definitely go to mass, even if you don't recognize the legitimacy of the "Pope".
(DIR) Post #ACXhd1GsnVZMXEbf3A by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-20T03:02:18.825794Z
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@Firstamongkittens @AnimeTradCath @bebe my biggest problem about the diamond brothers is that, they are heretic. They do not believe in baptism or desire and of blood. They make alot of good video tho. On the going to mass thing, i totally agree. I'm just the biggest lazy nigger when it comes to actually going to mass and i skip a bunch of sunday to instead stay inside and play games like a retard. One of my biggest issue ngl
(DIR) Post #ACXtRwk8UYDSkum9wG by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-20T05:14:45.642128Z
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@MrSamQc @Firstamongkittens @AnimeTradCath Yes friend I am not sure if there is still the dispensation where you are due to the coronavirus, but in my area there is not. We do have the obligation to attend mass every Sunday or else it is the grave sin. Circumstances such as illness could excuse you though. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACYfQS6di3l9FMefI0 by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-20T14:12:20.944931Z
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@Firstamongkittens @MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath Yes unfortunately friend this is not as clear as they want you to believe it is. St. Robert Bellarmine, who they quote, actually lists off 5 common opinions on the matter from his time. This was the late 1500s and early 1600s. So things obviously were not settled in the time of Nestorius like they say in the video, and even today it is not certain. St. Bellarmine actually says opinion 1 is probable, which is that the pope cannot become a heretic. But, if the pope were to become a heretic, he did say opinion 5 is the most likely, which is that the pope loses his office if he becomes a manifest heretic. If you read his other writings, he mentioned the process that would need to be followed for this. He said that a general council ought to be gathered, and if they found that he was a heretic, he should be disposed. We must follow the procedure here. St. Bellarmine never imagined a situation where individual lay people would be judging the pope as a heretic without any sort of declaration from the bishops and cardinals. It does make sense to me that God established the hierarchy within the Church, so He would make use of it in times such as these.Another thing to add to this, is that this is all in the realm of opinion. Nothing has actually been defined infallibly on the subject. You may not realize it, but to declare the pope as a heretic has many serious implications that we cannot take lightly. If we declare that the pope is a heretic, we are obliged to break communion with him, which in the current situation, means breaking communion with your local priests and bishops as well, as they are all in communion with him. This is not something we should do without complete certainty, as otherwise we are making schism in the Church, which is a very serious charge. So in short friend, this is a very complicated issue and anyone saying there is a simple solution is either misinformed or lying. The safest option is to continue to believe that Francis is the pope until he has been formally declared to be a heretic. If we want to call him a heretic before that, we are at risk of being schismatics. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACYfifETe1rRAc0Mka by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-20T14:15:38.453908Z
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@MrSamQc @Firstamongkittens @AnimeTradCath Yes it is interesting, because in the very section they quote from St. Bellarmine, if you continue reading he actually supports baptism of desire. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACYlS13bqaCFf0MmcS by Firstamongkittens@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-20T15:19:52.127267Z
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@bebe @MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath I don't think the fact that he is a heretic is up to debate, he was a heretic even before being elected at all. Just think, if you were to follow what Francis wanted of you, you'd be a complete degenerate, and completely disagree with everything all previous popes taught. There were heretical popes before who were not declared heretics in their lifetime whilst clearly being that, I believe. There also were bishops who declared him a heretic, I believe. I can't give many sources right now, sorry, and I do recognize that I'm not very educated on the matter, so I'm not going to stand too firmly on any opinion about this. That is because I really don't think it's important what opinion you take about Francis. All I know for sure is that he is doing very horrible things to The Church, all Jesuits are very horrible actually, but he was certainly not the first bad pope, and that we must follow The Tradition. As long as that is recognized, all is fine with me.Personally, I will not recognize his legitimacy, either as pope or as teacher. Forgive me if I am committing a sin because of this, but it's what I think the reasonable response to these times is. I do intend to research more about the topic, however, so I may change my mind.
(DIR) Post #ACYn4Q1Na0CO2kCOtE by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-20T15:38:00.253162Z
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@Firstamongkittens @AnimeTradCath @bebe It is sad that the Jesuit Order went down like this. I mean it's still there but it's not even catholic at this point. They were really good in the past, here in Québec they helped to convert many many native. They really did a good job in my Area.
(DIR) Post #ACYnLutQ3LWGiForcO by bebe@poa.st
2021-10-20T15:41:10.107533Z
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@Firstamongkittens @AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc I do think that it is likely that he has preached some heretical things. But to the person speaking heresy, we do actually have a certain duty. We are not to cast them aside right away, but instead we are to correct them twice first. For the pope, this would be the bishops coming together to admonish him. St. Bellarmine actually mentions this in his writings as well, but I do not recall the exact quote. We have actually had other popes in the past who said heretical things, but recanted when they were corrected. This is actually an important part of the process. To be a formal heretic, it must be shown that you do know what the correct teaching of the Church is, but you obstinately reject it. So the correction is not just necessary on the part of charity towards him, but also on the part of forcing him to become obstinate if he really is a heretic. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ACYng7DDxXHIiEiMJE by Firstamongkittens@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-20T15:44:49.703010Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath @bebe Yes, they were essential to the economies of all Latin America. After they were driven out they were never the same, though, extremely sad.
(DIR) Post #ACYo9635MdujVAn8Ua by Firstamongkittens@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-20T15:50:03.921116Z
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@bebe @MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath I recognize that, but these are extraordinary times. Honestly, I think the CC has simply become lame and apathetic. Just think of how many extremely terrible things Francis and his predecessors have said, yet all the leadership and many Catholics do is mumble about it. That's one of the reasons I take a strong stance on this, I feel like we should be more demanding; I just can't stand waiting for a miracle.
(DIR) Post #ACZYshl0bjWrNK1QGW by NoLifePrince@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-20T20:22:30.947896Z
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@Eris @AnimeTradCath @MrSamQc protestants should just become orthodox if they hate the church. protestantism seriously fucked up the christian world i think
(DIR) Post #ACZZByEjYslBzH71Mm by Dwalrus@eveningzoo.club
2021-10-21T00:37:13.091540Z
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@MrSamQc @AnimeTradCath Fair-weather-friends.
(DIR) Post #ACaEqlZPekWmhFM98C by MrSamQc@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-21T08:23:59.684299Z
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@NoLifePrince @Eris @AnimeTradCath It did. In the book called "Liberalism is a sin" by a Spanish priest, he said (if i remember right, it's been a while i haven't read it) "Liberalism comes from Protestantism." or something like that. I think he is right, Protestantism really sparked the idea of liberal ideas and "my interpretation is better" kind of shit that created mass amount of Christian sect and denomination. Protestantism essentially killed the west. No wonder Martin Luther was shitting demons (it's real, look it up lul)