Post ACRMIhdakT2bNkKWSO by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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(DIR) Post #ACRJuae6tM4sq6wlqS by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T01:08:17.885780Z
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what if i used nixos
(DIR) Post #ACRJxf3svladP4T2Om by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T01:08:51.273170Z
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@georgia what if you used caldera openlinux 1.3 (my first distro)
(DIR) Post #ACRK4IIzw6t6qxhPW4 by travis@pleroma.xmanifesto.club
2021-10-17T01:10:02.727125Z
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@graf @georgia install gentoo
(DIR) Post #ACRKGEMoPBdM75AuCO by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T01:12:12.579067Z
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@graf oh i thought you were my age huh
(DIR) Post #ACRKLS3sur0c2CoMgC by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T01:13:09.193490Z
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@georgia this is out of date by a year someone made it to try to dunk on me on twitter and ended up getting dogpiled by a couple thousand random anime avis instead
(DIR) Post #ACRLYCCzGjjQaMi4EC by a_breakin_glass@chaos.social
2021-10-17T01:23:05Z
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@georgia richard nixos
(DIR) Post #ACRLYCx4VOawtIGs3k by a_breakin_glass@chaos.social
2021-10-17T01:23:24Z
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@georgia no I don't know what I meant by this post either really
(DIR) Post #ACRLlZa1gXjopsrfjU by orekix@shitposter.club
2021-10-17T01:29:05.382010Z
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@georgia meme distro
(DIR) Post #ACRLnaeGgSP6jEoKCO by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T01:29:25.990258Z
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@orekix okey doke
(DIR) Post #ACRM0PhcgwSkXrUjIm by why@shitposter.club
2021-10-17T01:31:46.470704Z
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@georgia @orekix everything youre doing is a meme just start working on things already
(DIR) Post #ACRMIhdakT2bNkKWSO by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T01:35:03.336588Z
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@why @orekix i have never properly distrohopped lemme have this
(DIR) Post #ACSNJjQjrZ9ULNKgD2 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-17T13:21:11.241175Z
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@graf @georgia My first was RedHat 5.2. (I switched to Slackware not too long after.)I think I still have the CDs for both around here somewhere.
(DIR) Post #ACSNSHeCWopymbhum8 by weeb@bussy.monster
2021-10-17T13:22:43.781288Z
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@p @georgia @graf brøther same but someone stole my 5.2 CDs
(DIR) Post #ACSNccIkalY9jhbKpk by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T13:24:35.181423Z
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@p @georgia hell yeah I switched from openlinux to Slackware and I used that for years. prepared me for dealing with other os package managers like openbsd ports. I haven't used it in years though. there's someone in our matrix that uses it for a daily driver still
(DIR) Post #ACSSUTMOS1abSYF0Iy by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:19:07.747338Z
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@p @graf oh i need to try slackware at some point
(DIR) Post #ACSSYDcMvGDbnHV2Po by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T14:19:49.109524Z
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@georgia @p you could set up a USB drive with grub and fill it with distros so you can just plug it in and use whatever whenever you want tbh
(DIR) Post #ACSTZGtCLRL8BSRAqu by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:31:12.459635Z
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@graf @p could i not just put multiple distros on different partions like would uefi let me boot each of them
(DIR) Post #ACSTbq1WgfTbjKYZPM by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T14:31:40.363264Z
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@georgia @p yes it will but i didnt think you want to chew up all your NVMe space via distro hopping
(DIR) Post #ACSTkLNO0F63Hjpy9A by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:33:12.374741Z
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@graf @p oh lol i'm talking about a live SD
(DIR) Post #ACSU9IR64UGVPETHCy by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:37:41.922542Z
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@graf @p like would there be multiple boot from SD options
(DIR) Post #ACSUET3S1F5DmqsQPw by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T14:38:39.393210Z
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@georgia @p no you install it to USB with MBR instead of UFI so it would be one entry, that would boot into a grub prompt where you select your OS and boot
(DIR) Post #ACSUj7P6Z9LpcDcXxI by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-10-17T14:44:12.246383Z
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@georgia use a vm and save like 6 hours per iteration.
(DIR) Post #ACSUnPZwvy4v8sjxmy by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:44:58.031311Z
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@dubh i want the ability to also use it as an installer
(DIR) Post #ACSUp8tpuyYzzXrr8q by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-10-17T14:45:17.546703Z
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@georgia use what as an installer?
(DIR) Post #ACSV1aGA1HXGK3F4To by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:47:30.351531Z
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@dubh but you're right i should get used to that. i'm gonna try fedora lxqt next i think.
(DIR) Post #ACSV2WE2VKIk6GhCE4 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:47:42.109064Z
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@dubh live sds
(DIR) Post #ACSV5sepYhK0XapWrY by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-10-17T14:48:18.780600Z
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@georgia using lxqt right now, it's very light.
(DIR) Post #ACSV8v7Mrrr52XcyRc by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-10-17T14:48:52.015877Z
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@georgia you can do the whole install to the vm image and boot it like a computer, just less hardware issues.
(DIR) Post #ACSVPdjSlBtu2hQ1ei by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-17T14:51:51.612194Z
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@dubh i had considered this. eventually i'll have the acumen and bandwidth to like individually patch broken firmware and apply hacky fixes if i desire but i don't want to deal with that too much right now. thanks ^^
(DIR) Post #ACSlK2XfChsiW9FeU4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-17T17:50:09.815400Z
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@weeb @georgia @graf :pressf:Luckily, you're not missing much, except the sound driver test was fun. "This is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux [long pause] 'Linux'." Maybe I'll dig them up and rip them and post them, might be fun. Here's a TinyCore 2.3 ISO from 2009, though!tinycore_2.3.iso
(DIR) Post #ACSlwJeS2WJ2aNg51E by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-17T17:57:04.861456Z
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@graf @georgia I'm running Slackware on my laptop, but it doesn't matter too much since I live in Inferno/Plan 9. FSE's VM uses Slackware, most of the CofeSpace VMs are Devuan. Basically all of my machines (this desktop, laptops, other machines in the house, physical servers, even the physical server that FSE's VM lives on) are running CRUX.I used to keep a USB stick with Slax on it, a small Slackware live-CD/USB distro, in case I needed to compute and didn't have ready means. (I still don't know how to do the equivalent of dd on Windows, but I've usually got a Thinkpad on me so that I can download an appropriate image and dd it to a USB.)
(DIR) Post #ACSmHIcJ56cdSTgEng by tinfoilhat@area51.tinfoil-hat.net
2021-10-17T18:00:50.264269Z
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@p @graf @georgia What do you like so much about Crux / Slackware?
(DIR) Post #ACSn3t0v3rzIF2MQKm by weeb@bussy.monster
2021-10-17T18:09:38.695245Z
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@p @georgia @graf ha i don't remember that, but i don' tthink i had sound on the system i ran it on
(DIR) Post #ACSn6zXrEcPzMnFRKa by graf@poa.st
2021-10-17T18:10:11.960619Z
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@weeb @p @georgia my original PC that ran openlinux 1.3 had a Yamaha OPL3 soundcard in it and if I held onto it I would be using that thing to this day
(DIR) Post #ACVQamDxbx4jGi3SF6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T00:42:01.008129Z
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@georgia @graf Highly recommended, very comfortable distro. You'll probably want to upgrade to slackware-current (rolling release with the new packages but still more stable than Debian, even) and probably add slackpkg, which gives you a simple installer for SBo, the main Slackware ports repo.If you've got a spare laptop, doing LFS takes a minute, but provides an outsized benefit relative to the time investment: https://linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ . Like, build out a system, fiddle with the parts, solve problems as they come up, and then try to actually use the system like any normal distro. You run into a problem, everything you need to solve it exists *somewhere* because distros are packaging the thing you're trying to install, so you can pull down the Debian source package or the AUR or CRUX port to look at their build scripts and see how they've solved problems, ask around fedi, poke at it and come up with a solution on your own. It doesn't require anything special, it will give you a lot of transferable knowledge.Obligatory Tao of Programming ( http://canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html ) screenshit, plus the same essential story from MIT via :pagan: ( http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/index.html ). It cropped up in two different places because it defies logic but is absolutely true:you_haver_to_understand.pngtao-4.2.png
(DIR) Post #ACVQxEaQqC9VbVH3Wi by _roko@enitor.xyz
2021-10-19T00:46:04.268174Z
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@p @georgia @graf +1 for slackware. 1++ for obsd and only using the built in documentation for whatever you wanna do
(DIR) Post #ACVZez5KdUantx6Feq by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-19T02:23:35.613183Z
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@p @graf oh man thanks p. appreciate the vote of confidence in my capacity for competency from someone i respect so much even though i was the whiny girl who got into arguments i didn't bother finishing and bitched and moaned about your instance's local fauna all the time
(DIR) Post #ACVZli06YNBYwUrSu8 by graf@poa.st
2021-10-19T02:24:49.170969Z
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@georgia @p i would never hold an admin responsible for the majority of their users otherwise i wouldnt be friendly with josh tbh
(DIR) Post #ACVZv5jvf43pArllUe by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-19T02:26:30.943267Z
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@graf @p there was one guy who was a little obsessed with me and pretended to be a lot obsessed with me as performance art. very strange people.
(DIR) Post #ACVa8h6Q3hwkojm85Q by graf@poa.st
2021-10-19T02:28:56.950031Z
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@georgia @p i dont bother or share a connection with anyone really but i met someone on here a while ago and its clicked real well so fingers crossedlove u both :rember_pleroma:
(DIR) Post #ACVcRrKqRDRvxomyrw by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T02:54:51.928088Z
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@p @georgia @graf How good is Frugalware and Zenwalk Linux as far as Slackware forks go?
(DIR) Post #ACW4lwG6dhT1k4w3to by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T08:12:14.090709Z
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@tinfoilhat @georgia @graf They expect you to know what you're doing, so they don't get in your way. That's mainly it, you know? The point of the OS isn't to run an OS, it's to present an interface for running the software you want to run. That's the short version, the long version is long and rambly:It feels a lot like the difference between prescriptivism and descriptivism in diction and grammar. Dictionaries are descriptive, which is to say that they record how a word has been used by people, and comprehensive ones will list early attestations. Schoolbooks, however, are prescriptive: they give you a list of rules, how a word is spelled, how you use it. The difference is the audience, a good dictionary exists to help you understand words, a good schoolbook exists to teach students the rules. The difference feels like that to me, anyway: some operating systems are there to facilitate whatever it is that you want to do, and some of them try to protect you from yourself.There are differences in the OS that come from the differences in the two approaches. Debuntu goes to lengths to configure software for you, including things like building configuration generators to split config files into several components and then generate a config file that it puts into the expected place with a "This file is automatically generated, don't edit it" comment at the top, because they expect different things from you. The expected audience for Debuntu is users (who are usually not interested in the details of configuring, say, memcached, just that memcached is available and configured by default to support the applications that Debian ships that depend on memcached) rather than programmers or sysadmins (for whom the build parameters and runtime configuration of memcached sometimes matter, because they are writing code that uses it or they're deploying it somewhere, or testing/benchmarking it to optimize or plan capacity, or breaking it to see if their code copes). So Debuntu feels like it's covered in red tape, because if you want to rebuild or reconfigure something, you have to jump through some of the OS's hoops, sometimes the OS fights you, something breaks and it's difficult to fix because they've added a bunch of moving parts to manage things. You've got to `apt-get build-essential` because it doesn't come with compilers out of the box. ("The distro handles this, user, you get back to clicking on the browser icon in GNOME or tweaking the transparency settings.") They've automated the hell out of it, which makes it harder for me to automate the hell out of it, because I've usually got to work around something that does something that I don't want it to do to begin with. Maybe I download the source code for their tooling--because most of these distros don't give you the source unless you ask--then I find the behavior I dislike or some behavior I want to change, I change it, and then...oops, some auto-updater overwrote it, or if I've remembered to disable that, the new version of $x is required by another package I'm using, I've got to drop what I'm doing to reapply patches, rebuild. I wouldn't have that problem if I just didn't install a system that did any of that.That's not to say they're unusable or anything. (The CofeSpace VMs all run Devuan.) It's just that if I'm going to sit down and use a machine, I would prefer the system not get in my way, even if it's trying to be helpful: I want it to run the stuff that I put the machine together to run. I'm firmly in the target audience for those distros. "Here's the system, do what you want with it." I type a few scripts, the system fits like an old glove. There's way less to remember, because the packages aren't patched to fit the distro, they're just built as-is, so the author's docs all apply. If I read the source, there aren't any patches that I didn't notice: the source code is actually the source of the program that's running.Richard P. Gabriel said "Old programs read like quiet conversations between a well-spoken research worker and a well-studied mechanical colleague, not as a debate with a compiler. Who’d have guessed sophistication bought such noise?" If a distro tries to manage the system rather than just operate the system, talking to the computer feels more like a debate than a conversation. They're unfriendly, you know? So I don't see any benefit personally, but I see several downsides....Plus no systemd. I don't want any :fluoride: in my poop diamonds.
(DIR) Post #ACW6RE5ZLuBQrtG4Zc by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T08:30:54.101554Z
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@weeb @georgia @graf Ha, I had a lot of parts around generally, because I took any opportunity I could to be near a computer, so I was tech-support-slash-web-dev-slash-web-designer-slash-Linux-sysadmin for minimum wage at this rural dial-up ISP that also sold computers. My boss took me into the storage room, pointed at a pile of parts and a box, told me I'd be doing him a favor if I grabbed the loose parts, put them in the box, and took it home, then paused and said "But I want the box back." So I cleaned all the loose parts out of the storage room, most of them were discarded when we upgraded machines in the office or, more often, when a customer came in and wanted an upgrade.Eventually the place sold to a competitor (ironically, a competitor that my boss had built up working nights, servers and modem banks and all of that, but he got stiffed by his boss, so he started the place I worked at, so I was working at a spite-company) and my boss went back to crawfish farming. Then the former competitor was eaten by E. Ritter Communications, because they had not thought to expand past dial-up.
(DIR) Post #ACW6TmEDOSypKSWCzA by graf@poa.st
2021-10-19T08:31:20.854207Z
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@p @weeb @georgia hey pyou're one of my favourite people friend im glad to know you <3
(DIR) Post #ACWHeOrfhLvVY7F4KW by tinfoilhat@area51.tinfoil-hat.net
2021-10-19T10:36:31.830884Z
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@p @georgia @graf thanks man, that was a lot of more than I expected for an answer :) I see now
(DIR) Post #ACWOy7y2vkyQc9ZsKO by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T11:58:32.290086Z
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@_roko @georgia @graf OpenBSD is cool but apparently the lack of a journaling FS gets you actual "power failed, FS is half-broken" errors. You might like CRUX if you feel like playing with Linux again. It makes Slackware look bloated.I'd probably be using OpenBSD more if I could figure out what I'd use it for, you know? I run Linux because it's compatible with normie shit I gotta do, but if I want something good to happen, I use Inferno or Plan 9.
(DIR) Post #ACWWpBs9qFO1kj4ZgO by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T13:26:33.793513Z
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@georgia @graf > appreciate the vote of confidence in my capacity for competencyIt's really just a matter of sticking with it when something goes wonky hooters on you, LFS isn't difficult from a technical perspective, and there's a whole guide. The frustration is worth the payoff, though. "The more you sweat, the less you bleed" is pretty common to hear if someone starts flagging at the boxing gym. A desktop computer won't punch you, so this is even easier, if you think about it. A day or two of doing, and then let the knowledge sink in for a week or so while you use the system, once in a while think "Oh, I want to do this, I need to grab this package", and you'll have a very different understanding by the end.> your instance's local fauna all the timeI ain't their dad, people do what they want. But when there's arguing, maybe the local fauna smelled blood and it attracted some fauna while making other fauna hide.
(DIR) Post #ACWXsMaqXRd9pF3JEO by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T13:38:20.499174Z
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@graf @georgia Yeah, likewise.It feels like you build a park, water the grass, plant some trees. Some people will grill or picnic or play touch football, and some people will drink fo'ties of OE from paper bags. Then you're looking at a hole and trying to figure out if there are gophers and someone comes to you and says "I hate talking to that homeless guy, he is always telling insane stories." and you say "Then don't talk to him."
(DIR) Post #ACWZ6ypHHpXcPWKuBs by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T13:52:11.295923Z
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@georgia @graf He's a genius. But you know, some people, when you try to figure them out, you hear different things from them than when you're dismissive of their worldview and they don't expect you to really weigh what they're saying. Some people bristle at the suggestion that there are people that don't care much about what they have to say, some people double down and start trying to hammer the point home no matter how unproductive it seems, some people have an ego and they'll get frustrated and say things like "Pearls before swine! My words are too astonishing for you to hear!" Other people react to that situation by telling jokes, and weird people tend to have a weird sense of humor.
(DIR) Post #ACWZXPFpeK3LuDMEzY by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-10-19T13:56:56.002403Z
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@p @graf trouble was he tagged me incessantly and liked to post a picture of me i had deleted because it was only posted accidentally. the local homeless guy doesn't really do that.
(DIR) Post #ACWZYGxbyHZ2TLFS5Y by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T13:57:07.245848Z
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@graf @georgia That's how I am, I don't really expect anything, good to hear you've had some luck, hope it goes well.:oppaiheart:
(DIR) Post #ACWZqmwvm98otfl7PU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T14:00:28.025322Z
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@ScatmansWorldFSE @georgia @graf I haven't used them personally, but I think I read something about Frugalware a long time ago, so if it's still going, it must have some advantages that make it worth the time to maintain.
(DIR) Post #ACXIA9Oh0bI8U9OfgW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-19T22:16:59.234694Z
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@graf @georgia @weeb Likewise, my friend! :oppaiheart:ALSO: I have emailed you, check your spambox. My server has never sent spam ever, but it may have gone there, because some mail servers hate me. GMail hates me.
(DIR) Post #ACXig8Q0mSaPWavSFs by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-20T03:14:05.890776Z
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@p @georgia @graf Actually I heard Frugalware hasn't been updated since 2016 so it's probably considered abandoned. But Zenwalk got a new release a few months ago.
(DIR) Post #ACYP6jUtk0sW7uZouW by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-20T11:09:30.962140Z
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@tinfoilhat @georgia @graf Chronic logorrhea. :alexjonesbrain:
(DIR) Post #ACalZPBquNa0qnfJUe by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-21T14:30:37.850217Z
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@georgia @graf Yeah, but someone on the internet can't throw up on you or steal something you've left on the bench. Any analogy can fall over.
(DIR) Post #ACalsHESigrRfhsuzw by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-10-21T14:34:01.975078Z
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@p @georgia @graf Swinepearling is a lifestyle.
(DIR) Post #ACdom6HVP9ojJ6vzlo by ScatmansWorldFSE@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-23T01:50:40.457547Z
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@p @georgia @graf Oh scratch that, just realized the last stable release of Slackware was in 2016, so maybe Frugal just gets new releases when Slackware does. I'm not entirely familiar with how that works.
(DIR) Post #ACeu7aeyLaYQXCwAts by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-23T14:25:17.671506Z
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@dubh @georgia @graf The thing is that sometimes what one suspects to be a swine is really just a dirty naked regular person.