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(DIR) Post #AC9GDH0QFIGYTygsWO by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:02:02.932363Z
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Would anyone be interested in testing a bunch of messaging platforms and apps with me? I'm planning to go in-depth with (in no particular order) Jami, Briar, Cwtch, Matrix, Signal, Session, IRC, XMPP, Mattermost, Rocket.Chat, Zulip, Tox, Threema, DeltaChat, Revolt, and possibly some others.Reply to this and I'll pong you with details when I'm gearing up for it :02smile:
(DIR) Post #AC9GISK1bFg91jKZ8q by meeper@outerheaven.club
2021-10-08T08:02:59.771897Z
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@amolith absolutely
(DIR) Post #AC9GSYL45IT8aEdEfo by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-10-08T08:03:46Z
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@amolith Don’t forget Wire :)
(DIR) Post #AC9GSYqGDJQG8zE9IW by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:04:46.867992Z
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@aral I just added it to my list :) Do you know of any others I've missed?
(DIR) Post #AC9GT1va4buSLswJ7I by megan@mk.toast.cafe
2021-10-08T08:04:31.763Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social this sounds like a challenge from the depths of hell and I will enjoy watching from the sidelines
(DIR) Post #AC9GTh37BVIVt7mP3I by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2021-10-08T08:05:01.960837Z
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@amolith If you're still looking for people, I'm happy to help out!
(DIR) Post #AC9GV6P6OzZyoVjgu0 by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:05:17.094296Z
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@megan It's going to be fun but hell :akko_tired:
(DIR) Post #AC9GnBPuVDIvZdjfIO by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-10-08T08:07:51Z
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@amolith Not off the top of my head, I don’t think :)
(DIR) Post #AC9HPGtIbAg3YUdyOO by sfr@mk.nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:10:59.183Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social I'd definitely be up for the challenge :blobcatcomfysweat:what about Arbor? I haven't tried it myself but I've heard about it
(DIR) Post #AC9HPHLetjMWyRucb2 by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:15:23.997788Z
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@sfr ooh where did you hear about it? :blobhyperwubbel: I would have included it, but Chris, the creator and primary maintainer, has taken a massive step back and development has pretty much stopped. We all still use it daily but I definitely wouldn't say it's suitable for communities to actually adopt yet.https://lists.sr.ht/~whereswaldon/arbor-announce/%3CCAFcc3FRR%2BEbj53gFCGDDyLPydmcSv69GinN%2BW2_amCbKXajwVw%40mail.gmail.com%3EWhen I have a bit of time, I still plan to finish the Magefile I was working on so we can actually get the website set up with CI and crap :akko_tired:
(DIR) Post #AC9HaAKbKMacOdboA4 by Matthieu@mstdn.io
2021-10-08T08:11:30Z
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@amolith 👋 don't hesitate to ping me, I really enjoy test things 🙂
(DIR) Post #AC9HawD9JN9KtQUXD6 by darkstar@mastodon.nl
2021-10-08T08:15:23Z
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@amolith if you want, I can try to connect to your jabber server. Let me know when you have it up!
(DIR) Post #AC9Hlgmd0nFsEKDGyW by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2021-10-08T08:17:43.821436Z
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@amolith Happy to help, can start with Matrix (@kravietz:krvtz.net). Also add SSB (Secure ScuttleButt)
(DIR) Post #AC9HpsT7VY8bd75MfI by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:20:14.686596Z
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@kravietz ah I'd completely forgotten about SSB and that was one of the ones I started out wanting to review :flan_laugh:
(DIR) Post #AC9IKQ6F27DcccwpxQ by a_breakin_glass@chaos.social
2021-10-08T08:25:37Z
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@amolith sure
(DIR) Post #AC9ISIuReNL0deBoxc by a_breakin_glass@chaos.social
2021-10-08T08:26:02Z
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@amolith also what about retroshare
(DIR) Post #AC9ISLhRHBiVIB7ybY by a_breakin_glass@chaos.social
2021-10-08T08:26:58Z
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@amolith which has the distinction of being something I actually got quite a bit of use out of quite a while ago
(DIR) Post #AC9IjxyCF1y6uNMmKe by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:30:22.282446Z
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@a_breakin_glass depending on the UX, this looks like it would be fantastic :akko_think2:
(DIR) Post #AC9IopPvT3zxpXefqK by MeDueleLaTeta@sunisky.club
2021-10-08T08:30:00.332Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social i wsnt to use briar, and i whould be open to test others too.Also i already have xmpp, fell free to talk to bizcochito@fai.su
(DIR) Post #AC9IusWyntSXE0q6Ou by claudius@imd.social
2021-10-08T08:32:03Z
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@amolith absolutely :-)
(DIR) Post #AC9J7Lc0VTmetS8X3Y by lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com
2021-10-08T08:32:25Z
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@amolith https://berty.tech and https://cabal.chat (cc @cblgh)
(DIR) Post #AC9JnVQMPpf1UIn8oi by adz@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T08:40:36Z
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@amolith Not sure if you've read this but it could be interesting. https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html
(DIR) Post #AC9KCyS3d6ESkojIBM by schappi@mk.toast.cafe
2021-10-08T08:45:47.196Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social hi
(DIR) Post #AC9KEuMBpAqAdMuIhE by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T08:47:10.672491Z
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@schappi i assume you want me to pong you? :blobcat3c:
(DIR) Post #AC9KKBqeDgVAKWfk4O by claudius@imd.social
2021-10-08T08:36:58Z
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@amolith for practical purposes: are you also interested in bridging different services? I've recently used matterbridge to join IRC and Mattermost. At least for these protocols, that worked flawlessly. https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge - also their list of protocols (in the readme) may give you one or two more protocol ideas. Nextcloud talk or Mumble for example. I don't use either, this is not me voting for these two in particular. I'm just listing other open source solutions.
(DIR) Post #AC9KTm8we259VHnk3c by schappi@mk.toast.cafe
2021-10-08T08:48:29.990Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social yesi qm open to trying alternative chats if i can find something that works (since xmpp seems to hatebme in particular lol)
(DIR) Post #AC9LShAHliNjjCTe1g by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T09:00:51.846006Z
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@lutindiscret @cblgh I've seen cabal and used it already (thought it was quite good), but hadn't heard of Berty yet. It looks incredibly interesting. Do you have experience with it?
(DIR) Post #AC9LWhzEegUhR2Dps8 by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T09:01:36.018754Z
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@adz I've read it and sent it to friends many times :blobcat3c:
(DIR) Post #AC9Lkkf9VCxjmyWazg by lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com
2021-10-08T09:02:25Z
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@amolith nope, I've just been interested by the design. I'm waiting for it to get stable.
(DIR) Post #AC9Lz8Tdl3lThZzztI by lutindiscret@mastodon.libre-entreprise.com
2021-10-08T09:05:32Z
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@amolith you might also be interested by a matrix channel: https://matrix.to/#/#securemessagingapps:matrix.org
(DIR) Post #AC9WJpVYTl0YUdOvJI by supernova@tilde.zone
2021-10-08T10:32:02Z
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@amolith goes down the rabbit hole.I've reviewed over a hundred of these. Some additional recommendations:https://twin.me/ (P2P, closed source, France)BBMe https://www.blackberry.com/us/en/products/bbm-enterprise-bbme (Closed, centralized, Canada)https://onionshare.org (Open source, uses Tor, ad-hoc chat rooms)https://anonymousmessenger.ly (Open source, similar to Briar, uses less battery)Do you have any criteria like non 5 eyes based, open source, decentralized, etc? From your list it doesn't seem so.
(DIR) Post #AC9WJpzgfj6w05UzHE by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T11:02:30.176622Z
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@supernova Twinme looks interesting but being open source is pretty important. I hesitated to include Threema because it has a proprietary server but their solid crypto and actual focus on privacy convinced me to add it. Having a build specifically for people without Google Services is a big benefit imoBBMe would be same as Twinme, having at least an open server or an open client is like a minimum for me.I literally just tried OnionShare with a couple friends and it was a perfectly acceptable experience for anonymous chat :blobfoxdrakelike: Anonymous Messenger looks really interesting :bunthink: Briar is one of my favourite options but the battery usage can definitely be a pain
(DIR) Post #AC9WcoN4vga2TBUH0S by madargon@mastodon.online
2021-10-08T11:04:21Z
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@amolith I am interested too 😈
(DIR) Post #AC9WuJwMoEUnIpLH96 by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T11:09:06.731925Z
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@schappi why do you say XMPP hates you? :bunthink:
(DIR) Post #AC9XObFl0OHpgVqlSi by schappi@mk.toast.cafe
2021-10-08T11:10:46.505Z
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Gajim: never maanged to install omemoDino: lagConversations: lag but like, worselag means i don't get messages until days later, if not like weeks
(DIR) Post #AC9XObkx8PExFGRg5Q by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T11:14:34.801646Z
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@schappi damn, what server were you using? :cirno_for_reals: trouble with OMEMO is common but I've never heard of messages being delayed for days, much less weeks
(DIR) Post #AC9Xk5EOk6eOk1SUGu by meshy@sementerrori.st
2021-10-08T11:18:28.729791Z
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@amolith Tried most—Jami is fine. Briar is great, but extremely battery-consuming. Matrix, eh, the clients suck and the protocol implementations suck resources like starving vampires. Signal, only for family and people you are associated with publicly, if the point is privacy. XMPP is good, but the clients are not very good, besides Conversations and it's forks, which are decent. Tox has the worst clients, and I really don't see the point of it. Session is great, but suspicious because of Australian laws. Although the metadata removal through onion routing is absolutely great. I haven't used Threema, but it seems like a better version of Signal. It is not anonymous in the slightest, worse than Signal in some ways, but still good for relatives. And you should pay for this stuff! Not everyone can run a free service. Delta chat? Ew, email. No. Yeah, I'm up for testing a few.
(DIR) Post #AC9YTrp2veFuTWQpPM by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-10-08T11:26:44.480619Z
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@meshy I agree with everything you said except for Threema :P It *is* anonymous because you don't actually register with anything that can be tied to you; on opening the app for the first time, it generates a key and you're prompted to move the phone around/move your finger around on the screen to increase entropy and produce a slightly stronger key. That's the same thing GPG does on desktop. I really like Threema's business model; you pay for the app with money and … that's it. I think that's an honest and fantastic way to create software. Of course, I dislike that the server is proprietary but I do marginally trust their crypto after having read their whitepaper. The mobile app's UX is almost on par with Telegram's and that's saying a great deal; I think Telegram has the best mobile app I've ever touched and I doubt anything will ever surpass it. Last I checked, Threema's desktop client was less than ideal; it requires your phone to be connected to the internet because of the way it secures the connection iirc. A little jank but they should be working on a desktop client soon™> And you should pay for this stuff! Not everyone can run a free service.Yes, always contribute to projects from which you derive value, whether that's a monetary contribution or code :revblobfoxdrakelike: I agree that DeltaChat is not great for one of the same reasons I dislike Matrix; too much fucking metadata.I will add you to the list :aqua_salute:
(DIR) Post #AC9YbudcLObvWZvFNA by meshy@sementerrori.st
2021-10-08T11:28:12.471836Z
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@amolith Yes, but . . . how do you pay? Through Bitcoin, which can be anonymous, but really isn't. MasterCard, Visa, etc.
(DIR) Post #AC9YiprGVvQqj8bhho by meshy@sementerrori.st
2021-10-08T11:29:27.593455Z
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@amolith I might buy it for my family. But most refuse to use Signal, a free service, already.
(DIR) Post #ACArDdQukiFFVA4sHg by supernova@tilde.zone
2021-10-08T11:50:56Z
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@amolith I may not be the best one for doing real time testing since I am busy with work and school 14 hrs/day. But if you make any rooms/groups where I can join in as I have time I am game.
(DIR) Post #ACArHDcGgHEeaf64no by nattiegoogie@mstdn.io
2021-10-08T12:34:21Z
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@amolith I run a personal Matrix server for friends/family, used Wire for 3 years before that, and did frequent personal surveys of alternatives out there.Not sure how much time/energy I could contribute, but at the least, I can answer questions, talk about my experiences.
(DIR) Post #ACArLJ3eOIT0cqr16m by mvp@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T14:09:03Z
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@amolith sure
(DIR) Post #ACArOZCUpTZFYmXvwO by alm@mastodon.online
2021-10-08T16:42:01Z
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@amolith if this is an open invitation, I'm very interested in trying chat platforms. I've used up all my free "let's install and use this new thing, just for a week" with friends and family.
(DIR) Post #ACArRODG8b9yLpFVvU by prmam@mastodon.xyz
2021-10-08T18:10:07Z
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@amolithI'm willing to participate in your adventure. And I didn't see keybase in your list.
(DIR) Post #ACArVSApLywrnG387c by matro@mastodon.social
2021-10-08T23:47:11Z
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@amolith I’m definitely interested!I’ve no idea if I’ll be able to do much, depending on the timing… but I’d like to help however I can, and I’m keenly interested in sharing the learnings.
(DIR) Post #ACAs3Y0eA8uHjrXqka by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-10-09T02:40:48.161386Z
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@amolith I just want to subscribe to your substack when you are ready to publish your results
(DIR) Post #ACAwB83ivemfO8r3WS by avocatto@mk.paritybit.ca
2021-10-09T03:24:45.443Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social Ugh fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee :flan_eyeroll:
(DIR) Post #ACB94VRmsBJNIoHaK0 by ente@ente.fun
2021-10-09T05:51:16.521Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social matrix, signal and threema I can participate. (All others I don't know or I don't have an account )
(DIR) Post #ACBDyakQkfLZm90BKi by sirjofri@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-09T06:45:39Z
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@amolith I'd be in the boat with deltachat. Especially encryption and group chat would be nice to test
(DIR) Post #ACBFMkrusHSS4Jaaem by sirjofri@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-09T06:58:33Z
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@amolith matrix would also be on my list (when I find an instance to join). I never tried IRC as a messenger, but would like to know about bandwidth usage (especially compared to discord and messengers)
(DIR) Post #ACDS8URU4jx9RrvAC8 by dave@tardis.world
2021-10-10T08:34:08Z
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@amolith Many of them, I've used in the past, but there are some new names in there: Jami, Briar, Cwtch, Zulip, ...
(DIR) Post #ACDUVIeIHyRtRNuups by 0hlov3@mk.fedi.tech
2021-10-10T09:00:42.487Z
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@amolith@nixnet.social pong me! :-D
(DIR) Post #ACDUeNe555nrXl9CAS by bigblen@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-10-10T08:54:19Z
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@amolith well not all... but DeltaChat interests me, and I use rocketChat, IRC. Would try a couple of others.
(DIR) Post #ACDY8EmetPbobr5W40 by brie@venera.social
2021-10-10T09:20:29Z
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Maybe Scuttlebutt and Retroshare are worth mentioning.
(DIR) Post #ACEHNMlfzBr5eYDUP2 by edwardloveall@mastodon.technology
2021-10-10T18:07:23Z
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@amolith most definitely!
(DIR) Post #ACESbhw3BLnKqu6szI by echolib@toot.a-lec.org
2021-10-10T20:11:56Z
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@amolithHi, i,'ve some of them. So, why not
(DIR) Post #ACk1VaA4CnVhhvjMdk by renor@nixnet.social
2021-10-25T05:28:59.096561Z
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@amolith https://anonymousmessenger.ly/
(DIR) Post #ACk1VmLqso4FVxKwfw by ona@systerserver.town
2021-10-25T05:22:00Z
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@amolith me!but i can't until december (i am overloaded until after 25nov because of violence gender based)i follow you to see what you do 🐧
(DIR) Post #ADB35l45HlFL9kJ3Oy by emanuel@schleuss.online
2021-11-08T02:36:21Z
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@amolith what is/are the goal(s) of the test? I will not touch many of those with a stick, but curious what you are trying to achieve. Yours, fellow self Hoster, Emanuel
(DIR) Post #ADB3dlJCsvsbl5atdY by amolith@nixnet.social
2021-11-08T02:42:41.817274Z
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@emanuel I want to give myself and any who are interested a way to test platforms with a larger group of people. For example, I've wanted to try Briar in the past and see how it might work with some friends, but there are too few existing users to give it a fair shake. With a bunch of people intentionally setting out to try things as a group, that becomes much easier.I'm already quite familiar with *most* of those platforms but I know a lot of people aren't and would appreciate the opportunity to test them with others.> I will not touch many of those with a stickI'm curious why :bunthink:
(DIR) Post #ADEGMuc8P0FSnCXPhQ by emanuel@schleuss.online
2021-11-09T15:49:22Z
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@amolith Hey Amolith it may seem really lame, but reflecting on it, i would have been better served not saying this / might cause a shitstorm dissecting this publically - and i do not have the time & desire to manage any of that. If you want,I ll gladly have a chat about it with you. Your or my BBB? plz DM me