Post ABzJllBUuCKUCvPLSS by neilalexander@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #ABwZM643vyxwdKPx20 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:05:17Z
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Lokinet is the onion routing service Session uses; it is much more secure and private than Tor, due to fixing its shortcomings, such as having easily controlled nodes which can lead to both entry and exit fingerprinting and timing attacks etc. Lokinet protects against these attacks and runs at a lower layer than Tor, meaning it can be used for any purpose, website, or application. It does not require a specialised browser, only the connection client.https://lokinet.org
(DIR) Post #ABwZffgzh7qodKxfcW by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:08:50.467457Z
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@inference Also made in Australia which requires all developers to hand them the keys.
(DIR) Post #ABwZjtpD5m6Bcgovnk by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:09:34Z
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@TheAncestor Oxen has designed Lokinet to protect against Australian government.
(DIR) Post #ABwZs1dbvaHwAfGmh6 by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:11:04.566179Z
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@inference That is what they want you to think. They themselves flat out admit that can't 100% keep the Emu out. Only make it hard as fuck for them.
(DIR) Post #ABwa1TZzPXaBR85API by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:12:45Z
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@TheAncestor Clearly, you have no idea how decentralisation or blockchains work. Most decision making is done by the US Oxen team, which is detailed in a Session interview. State facts, not conspiracy theories without evidence.
(DIR) Post #ABwaC1j9IzVMEvOiTw by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:14:41.069484Z
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@inference I am just going off what Oxen themselves have posted in their own blog. You also don't seem to understand how the law affecting this works. Doesn't matter if the US team is working on it. Oxen has developers in Australia that deal in encryption. The Australian government has the keys.
(DIR) Post #ABwaVI1AxdNWGb0yLg by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:18:08Z
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@TheAncestor There are no keys. Lokinet has been designed *because* of the Australian government becoming as corrupt as they have.The reason Lokinet uses blockchain is to prevent such government takeovers of the nodes. The US team can easily see a backdoor in the network or software, and, unlike Tor, there are no authoritative nodes which determine the connections; the publicly available blockchain does that.
(DIR) Post #ABwarwZQrt0qPPq9fU by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:22:15.855923Z
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@inference Go shill your honey pot somewhere else Fed.
(DIR) Post #ABwbAVuUDOl3E1Xime by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:25:34Z
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@TheAncestor Educate yourself with facts before continuing this nonsense which you have already lost. Running away from such countries isn't helping anyone, because the entire world is following the Australian government.Educational resource:https://getsession.org/blog/on-the-recent-australian-surveillance-legislation
(DIR) Post #ABwbepICiRCO1i5h7g by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:31:04.932851Z
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@inference >Educate yourselfI possess knowledge that would make lesser men kill themselves then live with the truth. You are a snake oil salesman. With promises of salvation and protection from our grim reality.
(DIR) Post #ABwbnwkQMoU9kqdi3E by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:32:42Z
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@TheAncestor Troll confirmed. Terminating conversation.
(DIR) Post #ABwbvLGraYZLq5L5CS by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T05:34:05.052161Z
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@inference Tell your bosses they know where to find me... If they have the balls.
(DIR) Post #ABwdHmHvv4yDxN6MAS by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T05:49:18Z
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@bot @TheAncestor If you don't want security or privacy, your loss. Since you're taking sides without knowing what we're talking about, you're already beyond saving.I'm not going to try to make you use it or believe me; I have no reason to.
(DIR) Post #ABwejV5tXZmIgzFnF2 by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:05:33.140169Z
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@bot @TheAncestor @inference Gonna have to take the side of the lokinet guys. Project looks legit and they are solving real problems with tor like node incentivization. Session is also objectively better than Signal (no phone number needed), the vile jew Marlinspike has hogged that spotlight for too long. Awoo.
(DIR) Post #ABwf2xzwIhBzq2ka24 by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:09:04.362625Z
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@af2 Session is too full of CP and CP lovers for my taste. I will never trust any form of remote communication that isn't 2 cans and a piece of string. @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwfHWSUyPzQlp37mC by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:11:42.992657Z
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@TheAncestor @inference You only know that an internet relay service works as intended when it is banned by china.
(DIR) Post #ABwfJBd1OIbkkHlTyi by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:12:00.427354Z
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@TheAncestor @bot @inference that's like saying the internet is too full of pedos so I won't use it. Session only connects you with who you want to connect with.
(DIR) Post #ABwfMu0Mr9wdFISNIe by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:12:40.808170Z
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@af2 Where there is CP there are Feds. @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwfWZEExNxNhmYPaK by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:14:25.269585Z
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@TheAncestor @bot @inference Where there is a mess, there are jannies
(DIR) Post #ABwfYNWXRj8ryxybei by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:14:45.233217Z
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@af2 FUCKING JANNIES REEEEEEEEEE@bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwfibCbRduJIjWdbU by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:16:36.599449Z
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@bot @TheAncestor @inference > Guy shills internet relay service with devs based on Oz> Awoo ( who is an Aussie btw ) points out you can't trust any crypto-related service with devs based on Oz> Guys replies with "but muh keys, muh crypto"> Awoo reminds guy how the Aussie government works> Guy replies with "But crypto protects from government"> Awoo reminds guy how the Aussie government works ( again )> Guy replies "muh troll" argument.
(DIR) Post #ABwg6D1D0kfzFLSD68 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:20:51Z
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@TheMadPirate @TheAncestor @bot Lokinet uses technical provability, not laws which can change at any moment.Decentralised encryption with no authority cannot be compromised by a warrant or other forced handover of non-existent keys. Simply, there is nothing to hand over.
(DIR) Post #ABwgiSXRkyGoNvlw1Y by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:27:46.900040Z
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@TheMadPirate @TheAncestor @bot @inference Same FUD shilled with Tor>It was funded by the US govt! Backdoors! Glownigger!>OK Show me the backdoor in the code>NO I SAID IT'S BACKDOORED YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT ISN'TPoC or GTFO.
(DIR) Post #ABwgn0uZtsKg9KlOEK by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:28:34.045452Z
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@af2 But everyone knows Tor is pozzed to hell and back. @TheMadPirate @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwgqNHpAQW8PfEtLE by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:29:13.214517Z
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@af2 @TheAncestor @bot @inference I remember back in 2013 rumors that there was one US alphabet soup agency funding TOR foundation.
(DIR) Post #ABwh1OWIvAvVQMGbEe by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:31:11Z
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@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor Whether you're a troll or not, it's entertaining when people don't use software which has absolutely no evidence of being backdoored, just because it was made by a government or Google etc. Why not use their weapons against them?Encryption is just mathematics. Australian politicians are moronic; they claimed that the laws of Australia rule over laws of the universe.Yes, they said that.
(DIR) Post #ABwh3MFsJUH6yjWCZ6 by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:31:33.162561Z
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@TheAncestor @TheMadPirate @bot @inference if a majority of nodes are owned by one org then yes, otherwise let's see some 0days "everyone" knows about.
(DIR) Post #ABwh7LUz4E7jn7UFuK by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:32:15.656252Z
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@inference They must be paying you well to shill this hard@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot
(DIR) Post #ABwh8FLhPvyH0XZdD6 by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:32:27.010892Z
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@inference @af2 @bot @TheAncestor inb4 Heartbleed Bug.
(DIR) Post #ABwhDQHYCCNwMd6LoG by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:33:21.523108Z
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@af2 Also the laws I am referring to caused a lot of development companies to flat out fire their Australian developers just so they didn't have to comply with it. @TheMadPirate @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwhJGXLLE6zsRH4gS by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:34:25.075713Z
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@af2 This isn't some backroom glow in the dark shit. This is the Government just flat out saying "You want to do this here you have to do what we say" @TheMadPirate @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwhJkIUh03kB4Ydhg by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:34:31.250049Z
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@TheMadPirate @TheAncestor @bot @inference it's open knowledge that the US navy was involved in creating it. To have a good anonymizing mixnet you need cover traffic from dumb goyim or your spies are glowing brightly for all to see.
(DIR) Post #ABwhQn1EyIuqe6qWyu by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:35:47Z
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@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor Source:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/amp/
(DIR) Post #ABwhWzhMk6mJhxVaxE by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:36:53.046540Z
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And curiously when given the option to pack up and move Oxen decided to stick around under the guise of "fighting the good fight" While even ackowleding that there wasn't too much they could do other than make life hard for the AFP and ASIO @TheMadPirate @af2 @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwhfHwimYTGcQe7FY by neo@mk.comfysnug.space
2021-10-02T06:38:23.992Z
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@inference@mastodon.inferencium.net @af2@neckbeard.xyz @TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com @bot@kiwifarms.cc @TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc If even one aussie even maybe kind of potentially can have access to an encryption key, the government can compel them to acquire itYou're the troll here, inference. Go shill your spyware somewhere else.
(DIR) Post #ABwhfuMZwrjXld2IpU by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:38:31Z
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@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor This is the reason Tor was released for public use.
(DIR) Post #ABwhlzuIFXi0hMi3Dk by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:39:37.463124Z
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@TheAncestor @TheMadPirate @bot @inference >taking the Australian govt seriouslyNext you'll tell me that every britbong actually has a spoon license. It's a clown threat by a pretend govt, the point is to subvert not submit.
(DIR) Post #ABwhmORn0elMoCZ8lM by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:39:42.342232Z
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@neo @TheAncestor @af2 @bot @inference imagine a Cryto exchange based on Australia…. My keys, My money… right ?
(DIR) Post #ABwhsSaIXYyvNTRFE8 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:40:46Z
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@neo @TheAncestor @af2 @bot @TheMadPirate Oh no, another troll who doesn't understand the laws of the universe and the fact that non-existent means non-existent.
(DIR) Post #ABwhtvcw2wA5k0N8TI by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:41:01.715590Z
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@af2 The ANOM bullshit proved that they are more than willing to follow through on this shit and the fact that passed more laws the other month to make it even easier for them doesn't bode well for the Internet's favourite Breed of Shitposters.@TheMadPirate @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwhvdSIZwdXxiD8bo by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:41:21Z
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@TheMadPirate @TheAncestor @bot @neo @af2 Which is why Lokinet not being based in a specific location is a good thing, troll or not.
(DIR) Post #ABwhveErfNU8OKvvJA by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2021-10-02T06:41:22.289711Z
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@TheAncestor @TheMadPirate @bot @inference @af2 from what I can see, lokinet is just a run of the mill p2p network with blockchain attached (possibly to track the peers, lmao) I don’t get the hype
(DIR) Post #ABwhzwxO0z9PbRoEdM by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:42:08Z
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@Inginsub @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @af2 Much note decentralised. Read the FAQ.
(DIR) Post #ABwi0gOv3SueXs2MIS by TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
2021-10-02T06:42:15.504304Z
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@Inginsub There is no hype. Just shills trying to push the latest in the way of fucking over people that just want to say Nigger online. @TheMadPirate @af2 @bot @inference
(DIR) Post #ABwi0yC6tpMVjMBNpY by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:42:19Z
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@Inginsub @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @af2 Much more decentralised. Read the FAQ.
(DIR) Post #ABwi63P6xPvfKtgiKO by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:43:15.123947Z
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@neo @TheAncestor @bot @TheMadPirate @inference what encryption key? This isn't some centralized shitware like Signal servers. You assume there's some privileged developer access that can't be seen in the code repos. Present it.
(DIR) Post #ABwiOXyW29BNMZ4AcK by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:46:35Z
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@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @neo If people would bother to listen to the Session interview, they'd know exactly how Lokinet works, instead of shitposting and trolling on a serious topic which I posted to help even those shitposters and trolls.Session interview with much explained:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQaxtVFn4S4
(DIR) Post #ABwibKp2FNmmKnjIR6 by neo@mk.comfysnug.space
2021-10-02T06:48:53.456Z
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@inference@mastodon.inferencium.net "MUH FAX MUH FAX Y U NO BUY ME GOV SHILL SPYWARE UR ALL TROLLS CRI CRI CRI"3 letter agent glow so bright i can't see the text on the screen.@af2@neckbeard.xyz @TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com @bot@kiwifarms.cc @TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
(DIR) Post #ABwilUkYBuX81KTbua by af2@neckbeard.xyz
2021-10-02T06:50:44.366959Z
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@TheAncestor @TheMadPirate @bot @inference yes, it's long past time to minecraft the minecraft in minecraft.aus.webm
(DIR) Post #ABwizQqnU8u5yu2nbM by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:53:15Z
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@af2 @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @neo Loki/Oxen Network is mentioned at 25:00 in that video for anyone taking this seriously.
(DIR) Post #ABwj3saMJFkV9qTZIW by neo@mk.comfysnug.space
2021-10-02T06:54:02.907Z
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@inference@mastodon.inferencium.net Paid shill screams like retard that they're gonna terminate the conversation yet still shills their spynet software.@af2@neckbeard.xyz @TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com @bot@kiwifarms.cc @TheAncestor@kiwifarms.cc
(DIR) Post #ABwjCMxxEtABhLYq6S by Inginsub@clubcyberia.co
2021-10-02T06:55:34.339212Z
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@inference @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @af2 the faq is just "dude, it's safe AND secure, trust us"
(DIR) Post #ABwjS4G0Z8kCJ6UUpU by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T06:58:25Z
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@Inginsub @TheMadPirate @bot @TheAncestor @af2 Let me guess, you don't trust that the ingredients in your food are telling the truth, either? Mind control nanotech, right?
(DIR) Post #ABwjUohAsfUAuaVam8 by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T06:58:56.353706Z
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@Inginsub @inference @TheAncestor @af2 @botI can not trust anyone anymore.jpg
(DIR) Post #ABwjgCvn74fdGMmEZk by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T07:00:59.872605Z
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@inference @Inginsub @bot @TheAncestor @af2 Mind control nanotech, right?nahhh…just the GMOs.
(DIR) Post #ABwjo1DaXsUVFipHVo by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T07:02:23Z
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@TheMadPirate @Inginsub @TheAncestor @bot @af2 Google Microsoft Oxides?I guess we *are* screwed.
(DIR) Post #ABwjwCbu4cButx6MIi by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T07:03:53.314154Z
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@inference @Inginsub @TheAncestor @bot @af2 I guess they do contribute to my mutational load.
(DIR) Post #ABwk1ZTEVW7PFUbdWC by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T07:04:50Z
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@TheMadPirate @Inginsub @TheAncestor @bot @af2 They also send back the data of how many times you chew your food, and how big the load is that you swallow, then send it back to base.
(DIR) Post #ABwk5Qn0j0wrU2hJ1k by TheMadPirate@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-02T07:05:33.385001Z
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@inference @Inginsub @TheAncestor @bot @af2wait what.jpg
(DIR) Post #ABwkG6bC8KqU36GDWC by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T07:07:28Z
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@TheMadPirate @Inginsub @TheAncestor @bot @af2 Yeah. I just used Lokinet to research it.
(DIR) Post #ABxkRgRDQ3oTXs4cro by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T18:44:16.495241Z
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@inference #Lokinet is great!
(DIR) Post #ABxkTTR2jad5nTqYVc by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T18:44:34Z
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@deavmi Building from source as we speak.
(DIR) Post #ABxkc4Aq1bMm3ZMdkW by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T18:46:08.978174Z
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@inference Oh nice! Once you get it running you can check out my IRC network I got running on it http://deavmi.assigned.network/projects/bonobonet/servers/Jeff is on it too!
(DIR) Post #ABxkiFMRLPDcUSjoVU by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T18:47:14Z
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@deavmi Compiled, but recieving an error when I try to run it."bootstrap file "/home/<user>/.lokinet/bootstrap.signed" does not exist."
(DIR) Post #ABxkpc0bXSIGl52KQ4 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T18:48:35.891037Z
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@inference Run the ./lokinet-boostrap me thinks?
(DIR) Post #ABxkqqMXen01Z7svAG by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T18:48:49.008304Z
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@inference Then afterwards run ./lokinet
(DIR) Post #ABxm7L9N3bLldg9cqO by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T19:02:59Z
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@deavmi Had to run `lokinet-bootstrap` before `lokinet`. It's running.
(DIR) Post #ABxmFKHeA95fGgpiy0 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T19:04:25Z
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@deavmi Now receiving "*.loki has no first hop candidate".
(DIR) Post #ABxmNXVkrnoYbqLg7k by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T19:05:56.286652Z
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@inference Great! Try join IRC ;)
(DIR) Post #ABxmO1xRfPn12PXDRw by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T19:06:01.640151Z
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@inference Woohoo!
(DIR) Post #ABxmkVUwW9HT1gv8Yi by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T19:10:04Z
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@deavmi Have I missed something? My IP address is my own, so I'm not yet connected to Lokinet, clearly.
(DIR) Post #ABxn6m7HPZv0wDTEuG by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T19:14:06.796689Z
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@inference RUnning ifconfig? Do you have anew interface?
(DIR) Post #ABxpHjqcO2i4zm25ho by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T19:38:29Z
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@deavmi I'm running Devuan 4 (based on Debian 11). Lokinet is running, but I'm not being routed through it. I have `lokitun0` in my `ip a` output.
(DIR) Post #ABxqNAxx5ZqyVGcU6a by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T19:50:41.605860Z
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@inference You won't route ALL traffic through it. Only lokinet traffic. Oh you also need to set your DNS to the lokinet DNS daemon address, that's the other thing
(DIR) Post #ABxqP5RoZpr1y3V02C by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T19:51:01.028122Z
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@inference Lokinet works by providing a DNS server that then maps .lokis to ephemeral IPv6's that route through the tun
(DIR) Post #ABxqzXRFz6GDCmcSvo by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T19:57:36Z
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@deavmi From what I understand, Lokinet runs on network layer, so all traffic can be routed through it, hence why you don't need a specialised browser.Do you have a .loki site I can test it on?
(DIR) Post #ABxrPsRkV3xDtCPPuq by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T20:02:22.740413Z
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@inference It does run on the network layer but it won't add a ::/0 route for you automatically is what I am saying (and that's a special use case in any case)
(DIR) Post #ABxrQeqYY8Jo02NuFM by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T20:02:31.500488Z
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@inference probably.loki
(DIR) Post #ABxrhgbrFS1AOFd4wi by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T20:05:35Z
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@deavmi Doesn't work. It searches via my search engine as it would without being connected to Lokinet.
(DIR) Post #ABxrnWvY9yrc69cutk by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T20:06:39.000675Z
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@inference As I said you must set DNS up.
(DIR) Post #ABxro6kSyfO9CCiZcW by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T20:06:45.787912Z
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@inference Check their documentation
(DIR) Post #ABxs517l8qiwfvfyQS by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T20:09:47Z
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@deavmi Their documentation is scarce. It simply tells you to add an IP address to resolvconf, which did nothing for me.Is systemd required for Lokinet? I don't even have a service installed for it; using sysvinit.
(DIR) Post #ABxtI0UWuCICQp5IrQ by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T20:23:20Z
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@deavmi "we are not allowed to use IPv6 on this system: we are not allowed to call this ioctl"
(DIR) Post #ABxyj8DYmqJxz3ttKq by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T21:24:17.496831Z
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@inference oof
(DIR) Post #ABxyncqUr2eK8KFuca by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T21:25:04Z
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@deavmi I can enable IPv6, but I'd rather not if it's not required. I disabled it for security purposes.
(DIR) Post #ABy4HgaNkIC6mrHyNs by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T22:26:33.905346Z
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@inference Whatever you use for DNS use that
(DIR) Post #ABy4LMHp9yp6zKMN72 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T22:27:14.001060Z
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@inference oof
(DIR) Post #ABy4NZjC9j7XFtDfIO by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-02T22:27:37.815158Z
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@inference Security? It's literally an Internet Protocol.I will never understand people who disable IPv6.
(DIR) Post #ABy6Crj36IXdnTAjFA by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T22:48:03Z
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@deavmi Disabling what is unnecessary is a security benefit. Yes, I agree ports and IP isn't much and is more of a patch over a bigger hole, but there's no reason to leave it enabled when you never use it.Speaking as a cybersecurity researcher.
(DIR) Post #ABy74T8oikcdBfmjFw by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-02T22:57:46Z
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@deavmi I added it to resolv.conf, network-manager, and restarted all networking services. Nothing.
(DIR) Post #ABz7rL3Nm0yVS3VPfs by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T10:41:19.607554Z
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@inference Guess so from that POV, I thought you were just anti IPv6 XD
(DIR) Post #ABzDzWhQxPUJc2Wj4q by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T11:49:59Z
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@deavmi No. Using IPv6 over IPv4 is actually more secure due to most people not using it for most things.I meant privacy more than security. I don't like how IPv6 gives IP addresses per device without NAT.
(DIR) Post #ABzE4KDGoEQUKmhqQy by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T11:50:54.652325Z
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@inference NAT is literally the most anti-internet thing ever. If you're using NAT then you ain't internetting as it was envisioned.Really NAT isn't a firewall, a firewall is a firewall and they're not hard to coinfigure, you should know this ;)
(DIR) Post #ABzE6JR0frV8V153QW by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T11:51:16.616928Z
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@inference NAT makes implementing what should easily work much more difficult.It's a technology bandaid - not a feature.
(DIR) Post #ABzEbgZmgVClFT91dY by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T11:56:54Z
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@deavmi I'm not talking about a firewall, I'm talking about no requiring individual devices to have their own public IP address, which is one thing IPv6 can and does do due to having an abundance of free addresses.IPv4 requires a middleman to behave as the IP address for devices behind it.
(DIR) Post #ABzEwCRFvkBPrMwAwS by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:00:39.979403Z
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@inference @deavmi So... Reroll it whenever someone tries to nuke you?Anyway, leaking IP isn't that big of a deal. ISP still has to hand out detailed information either way, and they're no more or less likely to do that.
(DIR) Post #ABzF7oduEG75X6ORcW by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:02:45Z
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@Zerglingman @deavmi I don't care about ISP handing it out. I don't want to have to switch my IP address whenever someone decides to have some fun with me and my device when I'm trying to get work done. I also don't want people to know which specific device was used for which task, which I can easily hide/spoof via IPv4. Even ISPs can't see on a per device basis with IPv4.
(DIR) Post #ABzFDHzEYXbLzPylQe by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:03:43.685985Z
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@inference You do have a middle man with IPv6, it's clled the gateway and you can firewall on it AND still maintain a way to actually reach your laptop when you're in the Bahamas without NAT (which sucks because you have to port forward and raw sockects don't work in general with it)
(DIR) Post #ABzFHIvH19Nw3F2cKG by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:04:27.732734Z
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@Zerglingman @inference They do provide /64's or /48's, ISPs that provide IPv6.Also your laptop has an fwall on by default.
(DIR) Post #ABzFL7vTqRN76Vxd3I by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:05:08.899719Z
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@inference @Zerglingman "Have fun?" You can just fwall it. Or even better notify your ISP. In any case, with NAT you can still have your gateway DDOS'd regardless so this point is moot
(DIR) Post #ABzFLf0ErlmngpROYC by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:05:16.064564Z
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@inference @deavmi You could also do that with ip6, I believe. Just more effort for some reason.
(DIR) Post #ABzFR2unO9tBIfSlRA by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:06:13.237178Z
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@Zerglingman @inference There is literally very sane protections, by default.My laptop has an fwall and I didn't even know it and it's easy to setup (even has templates). My router, likewise, is also easy to configure and fwall.
(DIR) Post #ABzFVSl1FWsIbgzpEu by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:07:00Z
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@deavmi I've never had an issue with IPv4, and I prefer having port forward manually than having it open by default.I want maxiumum control over my devices, even if it means using older standards, just as I still use CLI and TUI over GUI (I actually went *back* to using these from GUI). Ethernet beats Wi-Fi, wired mouse beats wireless mouse, thick military strength ThinkPad over 1 mm thin craptop which is destroyed after pressing a keyboard key too hard.IPv4 is easy, stable, and works well.
(DIR) Post #ABzFY8V918oKeWqUXg by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:07:30.482273Z
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@Zerglingman @inference You shouldn't be running bad protocols on your machine in any case. And if you do, you can fwall them.I cannot honstly believe people are saying "Ipv6 bad because I want NAT as an fwall" instead of "IPv6 good because end-to-end and I have an fwall"
(DIR) Post #ABzFapNSZmtOD3XDFY by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:07:59Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman That's the point. I don't want end-to-end.
(DIR) Post #ABzFbO9rGLoC50RLPM by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:08:05.537457Z
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@inference IPv6 is easy, stable and it works (better).Bruh, you have more control with an fwall than fickle port forwarding.
(DIR) Post #ABzFd9dkD9TrdGGFcm by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:08:24.730327Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Yikes. That's quite the disagreement then I guess.
(DIR) Post #ABzFk2pXvZdYXW4Cno by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:09:39Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman If it isn't broken, don't change it.IPv6 should have added more IP addresses, yes, but it shouldn't have done much more than that. I feel as if IPv6 was made to be the AI of protocols; it's not needed, and no one asked for it, it just came along and took the place of what is logical.
(DIR) Post #ABzFoLX0L8S5hKRfTE by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:10:25.552739Z
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@inference @Zerglingman I mean most people want end-to-end. It was market driven.So no, it came and delivered what the majority (and in this case rightfully so) decided was needed
(DIR) Post #ABzFpmlGaJk6RKnoYa by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:10:41.923230Z
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@inference @Zerglingman NAT is anti-internet. It goes against what the founders envisioned.
(DIR) Post #ABzFrtNMxlStX9d4zo by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:11:04.415114Z
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@inference @Zerglingman All I am saying is that it's fine your opinion but it was never what the Internet was meant to be, and now they're fixing it.Also SLAAC is cool
(DIR) Post #ABzFvKEBaJgDgLyFkm by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:11:41Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman > Most peopleThis is the issue. *I* do not want or need IPv4. Just as with everything else recently made, most people don't need it and didn't ask for it, either.> market drivenWell, that says a lot, doesn't it?
(DIR) Post #ABzFx8LUjW4hPSFfhA by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:12:01.538098Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Not to mention it breaks raw sockets besides ICMP that is trackable due to certain fields.So you really end up with a broken internet too.
(DIR) Post #ABzG06F90SKBl2hCLI by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:12:33.126070Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Well yeah, because in this case the market was actually right. NAT makes everything much more harder to the user and developer. It's self-evident - really dude.
(DIR) Post #ABzG3UMVn0zpQhl2yu by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:13:10.350011Z
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@inference @Zerglingman It doesn't even affect the layman and it works automatically.I don't know what botched system you must be using if IPv6 never worked but it worked out of the box on my Fedora machine.
(DIR) Post #ABzG6y7lahXqbWWJzE by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:13:49.051207Z
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@deavmi @inference Oh it works fine on my machines, but try pinging my site lol
(DIR) Post #ABzG9SmAbFMsFQblLM by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:14:15Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman I completely disagree with this statement and would like evidence to support this claim.The original WWW was created and rolled out *using* IPv4, which Tim Berners-Lee didn't object to. If the internet connects, it works. Your argument is as if you're statubg that I'm closed minded just because I have a different use case to yours. You are stating opinions, not facts.
(DIR) Post #ABzG9eOVP3ZKHVd27k by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:14:17.161952Z
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@Zerglingman @inference I can ping my site from anywhere in the world and it works?What are you saying?
(DIR) Post #ABzGAJVgXGfnneIqVU by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:14:21.900248Z
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@inference @Zerglingman what more does it do that you object to? overall it's much saner to deal with than ipv4 once you jump the hurdle of getting used to a new thing
(DIR) Post #ABzGBLN36RnDrOkqvo by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:14:36.496710Z
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@deavmi @inference I am saying I'm sick of my ISP.
(DIR) Post #ABzGCeRRgQRFIUR0Wu by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:14:49.954023Z
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@inference @Zerglingman (i have gleasonator MRFed because they block tor, not an intentional untag)
(DIR) Post #ABzGFd6b6kga1P6TDc by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:15:21.730068Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Every machine to have a reachable address, with the context of raw socket protocols existing then and now, this is literally backed up by fact and not opinion. The WWW is not the Internet and making that the sole use case is rather absurd as it is off topic and NOT the Internet.
(DIR) Post #ABzGG6hp3Qh3pFk6lc by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:15:27.421087Z
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@Zerglingman @inference Ah yeah
(DIR) Post #ABzGGgB7AVv9qEiUme by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:15:33.465145Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >which Tim Berners-Leenever base an argument around what that faggot thinks
(DIR) Post #ABzGH2qgscFY9YL0ds by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:15:37.439163Z
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@inference @Zerglingman I'm not saying you're close minded.
(DIR) Post #ABzGTT6x3ymH4xrrtI by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:17:52Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman > FedoraThis is another issue. You are talking developer, and I am talking cybersecurity. I use stable and scrutinised software and hardware for the purpose of knowing what changes and when. The fact that you using insanely unstable Fedora (versioning and features, not usable stability) shows our opposite uses.One big sin in cybersec is changing something which works and has no practical flaws as is. If you're having issues, it's your system which is botched, not mine.
(DIR) Post #ABzGZzLo6si6o1vR8S by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:19:03.733436Z
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@inference @deavmi I would call NAT a practical flaw.
(DIR) Post #ABzGiUtihdyIxoqSf2 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:20:34Z
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@Zerglingman @deavmi I have never had a flaw with NAT. Always ran NAT, am running NAT, will continue to run NAT.I'm open minded and willing to change, but someone needs to present facts about why IPv6 has any security or privacy advantages over IPv4.I am yet to find a single article which states a reason for me to use it and switch from a system which already allows full control over my devices and network.
(DIR) Post #ABzGsc1B5JUPwW9lpo by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:22:24Z
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@opal @Zerglingman I don't have to. The internet has always worked for me, and is working as we speak.Everything for me has always been IPv4.
(DIR) Post #ABzH0JZjXPYX3ozbQ8 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:23:46.488307Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >why IPv6 has any security or privacy advantages over IPv4na(p)t isnt a firewall, it isn't advantageous to privacy or security, it's a hack, it leads to *horrible* network topology designipv6 avoids all this, it has stateless addressing which also enables the temporary or "private" address feature. your network is easier to understand, less likely to misconfigureyoure talking out of your ass if you think ipv4 "just works", it doesnt, people have shoehorned it into working
(DIR) Post #ABzH5NCBVPIBjiOEJE by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:24:44.056067Z
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@opal @inference To be fair, it's a very good shoehorn, I'd even say better than every other shoehorn in computing.
(DIR) Post #ABzH7oxDGrdGPIYQ4m by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:25:08.092954Z
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@inference @Zerglingman timbl isnt even an authority on the internet, just the WWW, which was a horrid "invention" that we're better off without. plus his own opsec practices are laughable; i have a 100+mb dump of w3's internal shit sitting on my hard disk thanks to him
(DIR) Post #ABzH8FT0hGW2dRdBFQ by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:25:13.967475Z
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@inference @Zerglingman IPv4's address exhaustion is the "broke" part. That's it.My system isn't bothced just because I could configure IPv6 without any problems
(DIR) Post #ABzH9jQimRLjqzGeS8 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:25:30.266625Z
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@Zerglingman @inference Yes, don't get me wrong it was needed but it isn't the end goal.
(DIR) Post #ABzHCnukZ2GSd8mJdY by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:26:03.444290Z
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@inference @Zerglingman It's called having the best of both worlds and using a firewall (which existed long before NAT) AND gives you WAY more control
(DIR) Post #ABzHEEwxX1uillUpw8 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:26:19Z
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@opal @Zerglingman > NAT is not a firewallI didn't say it was.> temporary addressesI don't want temporary, I want internally logged and permanent auditing. This change is one reason I do *not* use IPv6.> it doesn'tYes, it does, otherwise none of my devices, servers, or network, would be working or would ever have worked.
(DIR) Post #ABzHEVlX0lsEvFHRz6 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:26:20.030516Z
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@Zerglingman @inference i mean people invest a lot of time and money into a lot of things to keep them working. everything from ipv4 to http/webtech and even older software such as py2 and older windows releasesit's understandable that people have to weigh cost/benefit of upgrading but it really does hold us back long-term
(DIR) Post #ABzHHDxjexSUZkHZKa by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:26:51.552492Z
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@inference @Zerglingman You realise a firewall can more easily accomplish excatly what you are doing with NAT.....
(DIR) Post #ABzHHxTASwL7iGKo4W by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:26:59.828013Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >Yes, it doesyou know what i meant, stop replying to my words at face value
(DIR) Post #ABzHJwlA4kok5ghPhA by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2021-10-03T12:27:21.057682Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @deavmi linux haternat loverman, that’s quite an elaborate troll account you’re making there
(DIR) Post #ABzHOXRVdBRJ1GhF8C by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:28:11Z
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@opal @Zerglingman > stop replying to my words at face valueFacts are only face value. Anything else is not serious and/or trolling. Give me serious facts, if you want me to consider anything you're saying to me. I don't shitpost.
(DIR) Post #ABzHOlsxvtijoTeMs4 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:28:13.180939Z
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@pomstan @inference @Zerglingman fr man, fr
(DIR) Post #ABzHPlewG9L7OvZ2cC by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:28:22.706515Z
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@inference @Zerglingman as for auditing, ive never looked into it but im sure you can log your lan and correlate devices to addresses just fine (well, no worse than you could with ipv4, since devices can just spoof themselves at will)
(DIR) Post #ABzHRSwyn39xxHoQoS by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:28:43.620801Z
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@inference @opal >I don't shitpostWell that was a fucking lie.
(DIR) Post #ABzHS6KkMcLQ6IESm0 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:28:49.609036Z
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@inference @Zerglingman no, you're excusing your inability to consider nuance. you're fucking uptight and annoying because of it
(DIR) Post #ABzHU52EABcCeTVuU4 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:29:10Z
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@pomstan@срёт.онлайн @Zerglingman @deavmi Linux hater, how?I use Linux, hate anything other than Linux and BSD. I use Android, too, which is based on Linux.Please provide evidence to support your claims, else it's what could be termed "bullshit".
(DIR) Post #ABzHVEr38hSHOeq03c by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:29:23.609538Z
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@inference @Zerglingman i think the word for it is "autism"
(DIR) Post #ABzHVfOGTpTNhCZtRI by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:29:27.924011Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Agreed, he never said he hated LInux
(DIR) Post #ABzHWINZWL5kcLYOH2 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:29:35.235215Z
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@inference @Zerglingman But the NAT lover is hilariously true
(DIR) Post #ABzHZsNw6lI99lQofA by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:30:13.936163Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >hate anything other than Linux and BSD>bitches dont know about my plan9, sel4, year of the hurd desktop, etc etc
(DIR) Post #ABzHeBwDLwMExOWSf2 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:31:00Z
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@opal @Zerglingman By "hate", I mean "strongly dislike". Hate is pointless and a waste of energy; it's emotion over logic.
(DIR) Post #ABzHetjeW0SAnAz3Bo by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:31:08.172128Z
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@inference @Zerglingman yo i just find it funny how narrow a view you have on computing in general and how you believe youre authoritative on the matter half the time
(DIR) Post #ABzHgusrDT5avvFfOK by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:31:30.283385Z
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@inference @Zerglingman that wasnt the word i was getting hung up over, pal
(DIR) Post #ABzHrAowolrVFyJWb2 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:33:21Z
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@opal @Zerglingman > authoritativeProvide evidence that I said everyone else must use IPv4 or anything else I ever said. I have never forced anyone to do or say anything.> narrow viewI said I am open to evidence to make me switch to IPv6. Still waiting for that evidence. The term you are looking for is "opinion which you don't like, so you make *me* seem closed minded, when it's actually you who doesn't understand "use case"".
(DIR) Post #ABzHzja5SoUBNeReee by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:34:54.359266Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Anyways, I think we have concluded this
(DIR) Post #ABzI0hPszrycxO8M5I by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:35:04.760203Z
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@inference @Zerglingman I appreciate the opinions (and facts)
(DIR) Post #ABzI1ROk2SOTZ9x5ge by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:35:09.814312Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >I said everyone else mustyou speak constantly with a tone of absolute knowledge over your domain>Provide evidencelol>I saidim talking about your interactions in general. security isn't a vacuum, yet that's the only thing you take into consideration when talking about anything
(DIR) Post #ABzI6Z9qcDQj53Qgca by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:36:08Z
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@opal @Zerglingman > security isn't a vacuum, yet that's the only thing you take into consideration when talking about anythingWhen you realise I'm a cybersecurity researcher who works with security. Read my profile.
(DIR) Post #ABzI8dhGi6Ddjm3BU8 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:36:19.117567Z
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@inference @Zerglingman inb4 you say i talk with certainty/authority as wellyeah thats because i actually know what im talking about
(DIR) Post #ABzIC5n0idy1jYNn96 by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:37:08.350329Z
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@inference @Zerglingman which is why you're doomed to be shit at your hobby. i'd call it a job but it's fucking clear you're a csgrad who isnt taken seriously by anyone in the professional field
(DIR) Post #ABzIHNzQTin3d2iL2G by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:38:05.548913Z
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@inference @Zerglingman putting that shit in your bio is just overcompensating. people know who i am and what im about by seeing me talk
(DIR) Post #ABzIKkcGoHS4fkUISW by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:38:42Z
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@opal @Zerglingman At this point, you've gotten to the low point of attacking me based on emotion and opinion.This conversation is over. If you would like to continue at another point, learn professionalism, then come back to me. If I wanted to talk to a screaming child, I would have asked for that.
(DIR) Post #ABzIL0ajPljCDbtIHY by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-03T12:38:45.900632Z
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@opal @inference Put dad jokes in your bio.
(DIR) Post #ABzITp9hIq7ZMARvaS by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:40:18.759622Z
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@Zerglingman @inference i used to have meme bios but i stopped
(DIR) Post #ABzIaT7pbnQp3gkFsW by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:41:32Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman Clarification: Not a NAT lover, just someone who thinks switching away from it is pointless for my use case.
(DIR) Post #ABzIaowwSxnEkHorxY by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:41:34.223491Z
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@inference @Zerglingman >attacking mehere you go getting über-defensive again while i point out your argumentative flaws>based on emotion and opinionif observation is "emotion and opinion" then sure bud>If I wanted to talk to a screaming childget the fuck over yourself you immature faggot
(DIR) Post #ABzIdu0494mTHHkYqW by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-03T12:42:09.484382Z
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@inference @Zerglingman you cannot take *any* criticism and you continue to think youre right about everything, kindly fuck off and die
(DIR) Post #ABzIePTZ7RnUtkn3dA by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-03T12:42:14.991217Z
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@inference @Zerglingman Received loud and clear :)
(DIR) Post #ABzIhkKW2aYQRd9FlQ by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:42:51Z
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@opal @Zerglingman Do you have any facts or evidence you would like to say? I'm slicing my time while working just so I can participate in this conversation. Kindly, don't waste my time.
(DIR) Post #ABzIlC3DQns3HwhSVc by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:43:29Z
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@opal @Zerglingman Because I provide evidence to support what I'm saying. I'd say 80%+ of every post I make regarding facts has sources.
(DIR) Post #ABzItgL8hWkRXr8CTQ by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:45:00Z
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@Zerglingman @opal Not when it comes to facts.
(DIR) Post #ABzJS16C1go5m1VpFw by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T12:51:08Z
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@inference @opal@pl.wowana.me > I want internally logged and permanent auditing Allow me to introduce you to DHCPv6, est. 2003.
(DIR) Post #ABzJd2CWGkh6NQj1RQ by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T12:53:10Z
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@inference @opal@pl.wowana.me > I want internally logged and permanent auditing
Allow me to introduce you to DHCPv6, est. 2003.
(DIR) Post #ABzJewA7gwtIEAVm5Y by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:53:33Z
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@neilalexander Interesting. Now, this is what I was talking about.You have a source for that, since no one else has provided one?
(DIR) Post #ABzJllBUuCKUCvPLSS by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T12:54:44Z
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@inference RFC3315, plus various updates since.
(DIR) Post #ABzJqf5J0o0Yjkqh0q by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:55:39Z
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@neilalexander Is this just DHCP which I already use with IPv4 (I actually use static addressing, but DHCP is enabled for the initial connection to internal network)?
(DIR) Post #ABzK3kQyQyDr5oDwsi by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T12:57:59Z
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@inference It’s a distinct protocol from DHCPv4, but allows you to do the same things — ephemeral ranged addressing, static leases etc.
(DIR) Post #ABzKBrxeKgEYkoNe9A by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T12:59:29Z
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@neilalexander I was sure that you could do the internal static addressing, even static public addressing, but I'm unsure if I've heard of this and whether it would provide any advantage over my current IPv4 configuration.
(DIR) Post #ABzKlqdajMoJ4f9d7g by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T13:05:58Z
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@neilalexander Am I mistaken in saying that IPv6 allows only static prefixes for public IP addresses? Also, how does one remember an IPv6 address as easily as an IPv4 address (this is critical for me)? Is there a 6to4 concept?
(DIR) Post #ABzKpPh6qZwGfZV3my by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T13:06:37Z
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@inference Well if your ISP gives you a globally routable prefix then you can use DHCPv6 to assign addresses from it in a more predictable fashion and audit assignments etc. IPv4 *will* be left behind one day and it is mostly shooting yourself in the foot at this point to disable it. Security concerns are, as always, addressed with firewalls, which can continue to log even without NAT. In actual fact, NAT is really no security at all.
(DIR) Post #ABzKtsqwNVOKGHEK4O by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T13:07:26Z
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@inference You can have private and public prefixes and machines can even have both. For friendly naming you should really use DNS. Remembering addresses doesn’t scale.
(DIR) Post #ABzKxpONBf7AgckT3Y by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T13:08:09Z
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@neilalexander I am aware of this, but it's a long time away. Also, I never claimed that NAT is security, I just don't have a reason to move away from it without considering the advantages of IPv6 over IPv4.
(DIR) Post #ABzL3rUKJ66KvOPVGC by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T13:09:14Z
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@inference I don’t think anyone is asking you to “move away” from IPv4 entirely, but today’s world is dual-stack to enable a slow transition and that’s OK.
(DIR) Post #ABzL581gIx80VQcF4y by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T13:09:29Z
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@neilalexander DNS on internal networks?I'm talking about how one can have 192.168.x.x etc with IPv6. Does such a thing exist with IPv6, so the machines based on easy to remember numbers can exist?
(DIR) Post #ABzLGQn2sgwVt29x5c by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T13:11:29Z
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@inference Yes, DNS on internal networks is a thing and multicast DNS is convenient if not :-) Also you can assign private prefixes within the ULA range but probably not much benefit to doing so if all of your machines also have a public prefix — you’d still be only one-hop routing either way.
(DIR) Post #ABzLOAZ95P21svLd44 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T13:12:55Z
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@neilalexander So, I could use an IPv4 address via DNS (not actually an IPv4 address, just the DNS translation from IPv6 to this string) to keep the existing IPv4 addresses as IPv6 DNS names for the systems?
(DIR) Post #ABzLcWTaQ9PJtPakxk by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T13:15:30Z
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@inference Don’t really understand the question. DNS has distinct record types for v4 vs v6. There’s no translation happening there. I was just pointing out that DNS is more convenient than trying to remember addresses of any kind.
(DIR) Post #ABzLs5P0qe8QYfsEJE by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T13:18:19Z
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@neilalexander If I take my current IP addresses as a string (like a system name, but not its name; I use asset numbers for this), can I use that via IPv6 DNS to apply the same system address to my systems?If current IP address is 192.168.1.100Future IPv6 address is <insert IP address>Could I make the system's internal IP/DNS address the same as the IPv4 address, since that's a critical thing to be able to do, without changing system names via OS etc?
(DIR) Post #ABzdPUa5xBBpQSZYBc by neilalexander@mastodon.social
2021-10-03T16:34:47Z
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@inference You would add both an A and an AAAA record for the name in DNS pointing to both the IPv4 and IPv6 addresses of a given machine, so that the DNS request for a given name returns *both* IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. Then a dual-stack or IPv6-only system can access via IPv6 and an IPv4-only system can access via IPv4.
(DIR) Post #ABzfrjxWZXQ58V82fQ by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T17:02:21Z
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@neilalexander Is there a best method/guide to switch to IPv6? If I can use static addressing and have easy to remember names for my systems, I see no reason to hold onto IPv4 when it's being phased out.What would you recommend from starting point to completion of migration?I already have an IPv6 router, IPv6 systems and OSes, and have a static public IPv4 address.
(DIR) Post #ABzuPJIpaKTxfPzppI by wowaname@anime.website
2021-10-03T19:45:17.817073Z
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@TheAncestor @bot @af2 the litmus test for a private platform is to see criminals using it. if the platform holds up to the point that feds have to use other means to find criminals, than by finding them through the platform itself, then its safe for us plebs to use as well
(DIR) Post #ABzurLpBnn3Tb4VDYe by wowaname@anime.website
2021-10-03T19:50:23.237880Z
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@neo @TheAncestor @af2 @bot @TheMadPirate youre retarded as shit, the dude working on lokinet has been developing shit with i2p for years
(DIR) Post #ABzv9y5OHnhXTUxS1g by wowaname@anime.website
2021-10-03T19:53:44.177479Z
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@Inginsub @TheMadPirate @TheAncestor @bot @af2 jeff was forced to include integration with lokicoin/oxen by request of loki (the company he works for and that oversees lokinet, session, oxen). it's used for mitigating sybil attacks that networks such as tor are vulnerable to, and lokinet works fine without the "feature" too if you just want to run on the testnet
(DIR) Post #AC0EqprmcUrnZ0kOmG by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-03T23:34:22Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal Anyone care to assist me switch from IPv4 to IPv6? I know how to do it, partially, but I want someone who uses IPv6 and has experience with it to assist, if possible.Information:- I have IPv6 capable router.- Internal IP addresses must be static.- I have static public IPv4 address.
(DIR) Post #AC13z7G4w81xTyoj68 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T09:07:21.084602Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal do you have an IPv6 subnet assigned to you by your ISP or do you have a tunnel at least?
(DIR) Post #AC1JVW83VCt9CEyME4 by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T12:01:16Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal I'm unsure. I've never requested IPv6 support, but there has to be support for it by now; if I'm not mistaken, IPv6 has been the internet standard since around 2013.Must I request this from my ISP before I change anything? Can I at least use 6 to 4 tunneling on my router?
(DIR) Post #AC1JrVC5euzEfSLKFM by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-04T12:05:15.903556Z
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@inference @opal @deavmi >Must I request this from my ISP before I change anything?In theory, no. But that's a big theory. I've noticed my devices have an fe80:: address, which is some kind of parody of the MAC address. I've never had it successfully do anything.But if you want it to connect to the outside, rather than just being LAN ip6, then yeah, you'll have to ask the ISP to enable it. Which is also dumb. It should just be enabled by default already, come on guys, it's current year. (Meanwhile Optus still doesn't offer it at all.)That said, I do not recommend LAN ip6. ip4 does fine in that space, if you want NAT, have the router NAT from ip4 to ip6 as it leaves the house.I don't know about anything else you've asked, I'm still trying to understand it too.
(DIR) Post #AC1JsFyDkIopk3DPea by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:05:22.650230Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal EIther request an IPv6 range from your ISP or get a tunnel broker (like Hurricane Electric). My tunnel is provided by a Germany dude who operates his own ISP so it was easy for me to setup using Wireguard.So main choice now:1. To get it direct from ISP2. Get a tunnel that runs over IPv4 and provides a tunnel to the IPv6 internet
(DIR) Post #AC1Jw2DYos80FOBy3E by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T12:06:03Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal Going to call my ISP now, to see if there's anything they have to do before I change anything.
(DIR) Post #AC1Jwp6V3uaxrgGWLg by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:06:12.650902Z
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@Zerglingman @inference @opal I use SLAAC to delegate public IPv6 to each device in my /48, I have a /64 for SLAAC in it. Other devices live in another subnet within the /48
(DIR) Post #AC1Jxg8ns4vgMAkbnU by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:06:22.152637Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal Yes, do that first. Native is better.
(DIR) Post #AC1K0KxV5CvbWtjPaS by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-10-04T12:06:51.707998Z
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@deavmi @opal @inference Do you happen to know names of people who offer the inverse? I don't have a dedicated ip4 (letalone static) to my house. I'm still trying to decide if I'd like an ip4->ip6 forwarder, because I enjoy making other people annoyed about the shitty deployment state of ip6.
(DIR) Post #AC1K7uKlxNDPGtE7TU by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:08:12.379812Z
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@Zerglingman @inference @opal Mmh not to sure. If I had native IPv6 I could probably ask some friend to setup an IPv4 NAT routing tunnel for me.Tbh the way my setup works is as follows. I have an IPv6 only Ethernet LAN running on a port of my router so I basically never have IPv4 connectivity XD
(DIR) Post #AC1K91FVjR0N0YIOLw by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:08:24.791242Z
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@Zerglingman @inference @opal But I have another LAN with IPv4 provided by le ISP router
(DIR) Post #AC1KCOcRIeWuMBd9bk by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:09:01.173931Z
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@Zerglingman @inference @opal This is my router btw (was a birthday present) https://pixelfed.de/p/deavmi/339443555980414976
(DIR) Post #AC1KExek0HqVbMvjlo by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T12:09:28.953176Z
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@Zerglingman @inference @opal
(DIR) Post #AC1LAXA0fiUmDs0bVg by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T12:19:53Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal IPv6 not supported yet by my ISP.I guess I'm going to have to tunnel it.
(DIR) Post #AC1LcrIDPiRYlpLx5s by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T12:25:00Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal Is it possible to use IPv6 internal addresses with IPv4 public address?
(DIR) Post #AC1PdnKg1V1catCqhs by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T13:10:00Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal 2 things I hate about IPv6 are the shortening of the IP addresses via empty colons (I know it makes it more efficient to type, but it's extremely confusing and inconsistent), and how square brackets are used around the IP address when using a port number (if you're using IP addresses, it's hardly human readable, anyway, so just make the computer understand that the final group is the port number).
(DIR) Post #AC1Szv9VvfQX53E8pc by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T13:47:36.862839Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal Guess so, I dont mind the so called "::" compressor but it's nice sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AC1T0rHfnUPrN9UTbM by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T13:47:46.776436Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal But yeah defs agreed, not the most readbale, anything in hex for that matter
(DIR) Post #AC1TbLNvMPSP9ZoPOC by inference@mastodon.inferencium.net
2021-10-04T13:54:22Z
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@deavmi @Zerglingman @opal If you ask me, IPv6 should have been just an extension of IPv4, using groups of 4 numbers and/or increasing the number of groups to 8 or so.Anything similar to that would likely give 128 bits and be much more readable.
(DIR) Post #AC1gzMJeqgGoOab8oi by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-04T16:24:22.272848Z
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@Zerglingman fe80::/10 is the link-local range, it's like ipv4 apipa range 169.254.0.0/16 and you can communicate directly to neighbouring devices with it. i use it all the time when two devices are connected but not configured to have an ip address yet~ wowaname@mahin> ssh raimu ip -6 a | grep fe80 inet6 fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:838/64 scope link inet6 fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:838/64 scope link inet6 fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:839/64 scope link inet6 fe80::e2e:8f96:d690:4f6a/64 scope link~ wowaname@mahin> ssh root@fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:838%phy0The authenticity of host 'fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:838%phy0 (fe80::7683:c2ff:fef8:838%phy0)' can't be established.RSA key fingerprint is SHA256:2GzdzPO2J6aSJ/ZZw5nf83nGG2/q1wLJ5TxHq7Kq8Jk.No matching host key fingerprint found in DNS.This host key is known by the following other names/addresses: ~/.ssh/known_hosts:28: [hashed name]Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])? ^C
(DIR) Post #AC1h2imDnShyvPYtDU by opal@pl.wowana.me
2021-10-04T16:24:59.785275Z
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@Zerglingman it has the mac address in the link-local because it's fairly guaranteed to be unique
(DIR) Post #AC28KzIXo6Bw8jcC92 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2021-10-04T21:30:49.120713Z
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@inference @Zerglingman @opal Yep. It would. WOuld have been much longer though but imho easier to read