Post AByR3BBlyoCcIppWNM by futzle@aus.social
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(DIR) Post #AByM0XaLkqED7mFRVg by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-02T22:39:35Z
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Arguing with people about daylight saving is exhausting, and I think the main reason is that people equate time with “whatever the clock says” as if it were some kind of authority. Look outside, sheeple!!1! Do normal people not have an understanding of celestial mechanics?
(DIR) Post #AByM0Y47y830c8BDvM by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T01:45:07Z
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@futzle I'll one-up this: why do we even have time zones? What's wrong with UTC?People will lose their MINDS over this suggestion, yet ... it's eminently practical. There's no reason that time should be arbitrarily different in different places on the planet. We don't have to use our sextants to determine solar noon any more.
(DIR) Post #AByM0ZAtqR3i3QM97Q by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-02T22:39:36Z
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Anyone quoting xkcd 2501 at me will get a stern glare.
(DIR) Post #AByNY8adIFArP0xrKC by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-03T02:02:23Z
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@elb Yeah, I don’t support this, being in a place where UTC 00:00 is a bit before lunch, I can already smell the looming software bugs written by developers based in Europe and North America who assumed that dates only change at night time.
(DIR) Post #AByNcGaTV79tMerLcW by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:03:10Z
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@futzle Whereas I am sure that you have no such bugs due to your time zone right now? ;-)
(DIR) Post #AByNkntvWc2b0B1qsq by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:04:42Z
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@futzle (0000 UTC occurs in comfortably awake evening hours in the Eastern NA, and in fact midafternoon in Western NA.)
(DIR) Post #AByO2i1m6JrRzxEnDs by stibbons@scintilla.social
2021-10-03T02:06:50.536187Z
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@elb @futzle It's not practical at all. Lunch should not be at arbitrarily different times in different places on the planet.
(DIR) Post #AByO2iT4SphBMc0alk by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:07:55Z
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@stibbons @futzle See, minds being lost for no logical reason!Lunch _already happens_ at arbitrarily different times in different places on the planet.
(DIR) Post #AByOp4PsACUpKrZN0i by stibbons@scintilla.social
2021-10-03T02:15:54.221117Z
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@elb Yes. People who think you're wrong are losing their minds. If you can't defend your idea of logic in good faith then I really don't think this is a conversation worth continuing.
(DIR) Post #AByOp4rWVOc8icVS6q by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:16:40Z
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@stibbons ... you didn't have to join it.I engaged in good faith -- eating at noon is _just as arbitrary_ as anything else, it's just what you're used to.
(DIR) Post #AByOqM9fhH4UdmbYrg by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-03T02:16:54Z
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@elb @stibbons If you abolish time zones, you also inadvertently abolish days of the week. What’s your work week, Monday to Friday? Not so fast, that’s called Sunday/Monday to Thursday/Friday for me, and Monday/Tuesday to Friday/Saturday for a friend in, say, Cyprus. If you want to keep names for days of the week that work around the globe, _someone_ has to have “Saturday” first. The moment you do that, you’ve invented an International Day Name Line.
(DIR) Post #AByP02t8BXwbmWUL1U by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:18:40Z
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@futzle @stibbons That's already happened, though.As someone who went through a few years of regularly scheduling people in W US, E US, W Europe, and S Asia into the same meetings, NOBODY HAS ANY IDEA what day or time it is. It's a nightmare. And nobody knows the time in UTC, either. Calendaring programs can't even convert time zones correctly/reliably, and tons of software completely fails to handle 1/2 hour time zones like India.
(DIR) Post #AByPQIHrYTSj4NZYxM by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-03T02:23:23Z
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@elb My point is, you can’t abolish day names, because they are useful in civil society. And if you want day names to correspond onto 0:00–24:00 civil time (trust me, a lot of people do) then you must have civil time differing by longitude. Boom, time zones. Which I think is different to the point that you are making is that some things are bad to conduct in civil time, meetings being one of them. I don’t disagree with that. But it’s not the same thing as abolishing civil time zones.
(DIR) Post #AByPa8gQ7JYcBBkmvI by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T02:25:12Z
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@futzle I'm perfectly happy to abolish civil time zones. Day names are arbitrary convention, as well.Choose the day name in which 0000 UTC falls, or something. _Dates_ are reliable and unambiguous in this measurement.And yes, absolutely I will hold the line 100% at two things regarding scheduling: Dates & Times are ISO 8601, and any time communicated between time zones (until such time as abolished) are UTC.
(DIR) Post #AByR3BBlyoCcIppWNM by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-03T02:41:37Z
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@elb Lest you think I haven’t thought about all of these things already, please see my bio for my expertise in this field. I will not fight you on date formats and the usefulness of UTC as pinpointing moments in time. I agree with you. But the world wraps around and if you still think day names are useful then you’ve got to have a discontinuity somewhere.I will not be engaging in this thread any more.
(DIR) Post #AByUvFSOcvJP2Y4xhg by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T03:25:01Z
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@futzle I recognize your non-engagement; I wish to clarify, however, that I'm not saying that day names are not problematic in this mapping, I'm saying that I believe that the day name discontinuity is not _more_ problematic than the general troubles with time zones or the existing international date line discontinuity, and my opinion is that eliminating the problems with time zones is Worth It.
(DIR) Post #AByWOffULxbwgVnS1g by futzle@aus.social
2021-10-03T03:41:27Z
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@elb I’m happy that I’ve helped you hone your argument. Be well.
(DIR) Post #AByWmZF9tL7zi0sLjs by elb@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-10-03T03:45:52Z
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@futzle and you.