Post ABtilDC4KxY0LEsfFg by asic@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #ABtBf7zZSzIxz5WgSW by Fairphone@social.weho.st
2021-09-30T13:52:52Z
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We’re incredibly proud to launch our Fairphone 4 today. 📱🌿When we became profitable last year, we proved to the industry that there’s a market for ethical & sustainable products. The Fairphone 4 aims to prove that this market is becoming mainstream. https://bit.ly/3inBQhQ
(DIR) Post #ABtJmbgQGzzNjKeATo by Franz@muenchen.social
2021-09-30T15:26:40Z
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@Fairphone I'm afraid it's not my choice ...es ist auch noch nicht zu haben, und ein FP3 gebraucht wär mir grad eh lieber (für #Lineage OS - no #GAFAM, klar)
(DIR) Post #ABtMlHDx9cbbqlO6lM by postmarketOS@fosstodon.org
2021-09-30T15:59:55Z
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@Fairphone Awesome! And we already have a MR open to add support for the device to #postmarketOS with an initial #mainline port. How awesome is that?https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/2562
(DIR) Post #ABtUlesS0lxyqI1V1k by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T17:29:45Z
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@Fairphone I wouldn't say fairphone is ethical. It's the lesser evil, but is it ethical because of that ? Is it ?
(DIR) Post #ABtfUvAfHGBfwvlRnU by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-09-30T19:29:57Z
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@otyugh Baby steps. I don't think it's that easy. There are a lot of different aspects to making an ethical phone and Fairphone is still a small company. I don't don't know too much about most aspects, but with hardware, there's the issue of SoC vendors not releasing source code, even after they've dropped support. Many other components also require proprietary drivers/firmware, which does not bode well for long-term support.
(DIR) Post #ABtfWOE0jzw0Lf1u9A by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-09-30T19:30:15Z
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@otyugh Baby steps. I don't think it's that easy. There are a lot of different aspects to making an ethical phone and Fairphone is still a small company. I don't don't know too much about most aspects, but with hardware, there's the issue of SoC vendors not releasing source code, even after they've dropped support. Many other components also require proprietary drivers/firmware, which does not bode well for long-term support.
(DIR) Post #ABtgcjOp1n8Li9frk0 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T19:42:35Z
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@asic > "I don't think it's that easy"Yup, I'm not saying they are not making efforts. They are definitively the lesser evil I know.I'm just saying that they couldn't even move their fabrication process out of poor countries in the end. I that ethical ? Not by my standards. I'd rather not have a phone, ethically wise. That's why I'm kinda shocked when I hear in their communication "ethical product". Nah. Or just add a "relatively more ethical than the others".
(DIR) Post #ABtgjQ1nRsIjev5py4 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T19:43:48Z
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@asic > "I don't think it's that easy"Yup, I'm not saying they are not making efforts. They are definitively the lesser evil I know.I'm just saying that they couldn't even move their fabrication process out of poor countries in the end. Is that ethical ? Not by my standards. I'd rather not have a phone, ethically wise. That's why I'm kinda shocked when I hear in their communication "ethical product". Seems disonest to me. They are doing a great job proving the industry is hell&predation !
(DIR) Post #ABtilDC4KxY0LEsfFg by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-09-30T20:05:38Z
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@otyugh https://www.fairphone.com/en/impact/good-working-conditions/
(DIR) Post #ABtmjbTdTsKatOaOTQ by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T20:51:03Z
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@asic Yep, I did read that, what's your point (maybe the updated it since, but their website is down for now it seems)
(DIR) Post #ABtmmLNplyhXqdBA24 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T20:51:34Z
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@asic Yep, I did read that, what's your point ? (maybe they updated it since, but their website is down for nowsies)
(DIR) Post #ABtrJaFZv1rFKUQHWi by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-09-30T21:42:21Z
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@otyugh My point is that while they are having their phones manufactured in China, they’re doing a lot more than other smartphone companies. Fairphone isn’t perfect, but at least it’s trying & making some progress, which is a lot more than can be said for other smartphone companies.
(DIR) Post #ABtsU2jgxr0uWh3l6u by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T21:55:29Z
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@asic Well I knew it. It's still lesser evil to me. Or do you think it should be named ethical because they did some efforts ? x)
(DIR) Post #ABtt30tZnd6kxAMGVk by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T22:01:47Z
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@asic Do you think it should be named ethical because they did some efforts ? x)
(DIR) Post #ABtuJtYQRlKt3v4w5I by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-09-30T22:16:03Z
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@asic And I acknowledge that. Do you think it should be named ethical because they did some efforts ? That was my point.I think not. Capitalism LOVES saying things are good because some "lesser evil outsider are out there" and so it's the consumer's fault if things aren't fixed.Nope. The ethical alternative in IT has yet to exist, I think. And it's probably unafordable without a state putting big bucks on the table anyway.
(DIR) Post #ABu1Spxnrj4kDA9yK0 by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-09-30T23:36:01Z
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@otyugh“Nope. The ethical alternative in IT has yet to exist, I think. And it's probably unafordable without a state putting big bucks on the table anyway.”Exactly! That’s what I’m saying!We can’t expect Fairphone to move production. The best we can expect in that regard is for them to pay their workers well, which it seems they’re already doing. With materials, they’re making gradual progress. I saw on their blog that they’re working on getting ethically-sourced lithium.
(DIR) Post #ABu6vfhXbCeYYI7ccC by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T00:37:16Z
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@asic ...And it's great. Relatively so. Where I feel it's wrong is how people will feel about it. "Some company do stuff so the global issue is not as hellishly pressing anymore". You make a couple of magazine covers, everyone will hear the "some company did X good stuff, so it's better now and capitalism isn't so bad at handling itself after all !".I wish fairphone main communication would be "we are failing at being ethical because we need X/Y mesures" ; and instead I see boasting. :(
(DIR) Post #ABu7cbCkC3jT3eBcBs by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T00:45:02Z
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@asic I'd wish they'd use all their energy toward showing how flawed it is even when they try to fix the most pressing issues, and how much it'd cost to fix it. Like "see ? Our expertise is available if a state or some random billionnaire want to fix part of the industry, because we can't"....And instead I feel they just try to sell phone using the social incentive they honestly pursued, and pretty much failed, because it's a predatory setting.
(DIR) Post #ABu7j9HkOYyMUjeLM8 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T00:46:17Z
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@asic I'd wish they'd use all their energy toward showing how flawed it is even when they try to fix the most pressing issues, and how much it'd cost to fix it. Like "see ? Our expertise is available if a state or some random billionnaire want to fix part of the industry, because we can't"....And instead I feel they just try to sell phone using the social incentive they honestly pursued, and came short, because it's a predatory setting and they'd go bankrupt otherwise.
(DIR) Post #ABu90l6P94mgewIyxs by bjoessi@libranet.de
2021-09-30T18:35:19Z
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"It is a device you want to be seen with!"Of cause, it is all about vanity.
(DIR) Post #ABu90lcJESIyFtESh6 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T01:00:39Z
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@bjoessi I'm too socialy awkward to afford doing that kind of obvious display of vanity myself 🐙 Not buying a smartphone is my way of showing off how greatly woke I am without the vanity backlash. <3But I think grown people should own their vanity, like I'm trying to do here. Vanity isn't a problem. Althought buying phone hoping to make a sound change in the industry, that's a blunder. It's not like the fairphone was fair, it's more like the lesserevilphone.
(DIR) Post #ABu9FHpYG9f6DaLkHo by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T01:03:18Z
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@bjoessi I'm too socialy awkward to afford doing that kind of obvious display of vanity myself 🐙 Not buying a smartphone is my way of showing off how greatly woke I am without showing off - no backlash ! Perfect plan. <3But I think grown people should own their vanity, like I'm trying to do here. Vanity isn't a problem. Althought buying phone hoping to make a sound change in the industry, that's a blunder. It's not like the fairphone was fair, it's more like the lesserevilphone.
(DIR) Post #ABub3ES9mv92z8Rng8 by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-10-01T06:14:47Z
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@otyugh Yes! Exactly! Sure, it might not be 100% true that Fairphone is ethical, but it’s as close as it can be. Other companies don’t give a damn about fairness to anyone but themselves, which makes Fairphone an outlier. You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that they’d go bankrupt if they were totally honest. At least by peddling this 80%* truth, they can grow their user base and gradually make improvements to their products’ ethicality.*shot in the dark
(DIR) Post #ABubTKe9Nq7risVE0W by asic@social.linux.pizza
2021-10-01T06:19:34Z
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@otyugh I grew up with a domineering father in a fundamentalist cult. I know the value of lies, not to mention the value of omission. I also am quite familiar with the different gradations of lies. If I didn’t engage in deception, I’m not sure if I’d have been able to stay sane.
(DIR) Post #ABuqBjQG1kK4fE4ObA by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2021-10-01T09:04:28Z
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@asic Personaly the fact that I"m pretty much sheltered from most of the nasty reality makes me crave for the reverse. In my encounters in life, I feel like "tell me upfront the shitty parts, and then, let's enjoy the rest. Don't bullshit me, or I'll just scream what I'll eventually discover to every person I can tell". The thing I'm mostly afraid deep down, is discovering hidden bodies ; I'd rather be too negative about anything I buy through capitalist means because it's usually the case.
(DIR) Post #ABuwFAexods9jSyJg8 by jeybe@social.anoxinon.de
2021-10-01T10:12:19Z
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@Fairphone I think the sustainable hardware of the Fairphone would be perfect for a sustainable mobile operating system. Currently even with CustomROMs users are dependend on device manufacturers shipping security patches for certain parts/firmware and for supporting basic security features like secure boot, hardware keystores and isolation of different components.
(DIR) Post #ABuwFqP8bsAXCXtGqG by jeybe@social.anoxinon.de
2021-10-01T10:12:27Z
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@Fairphone The best project in this area is #GrapheneOS currently, but as the time of writing only a limited range of devices from Google are supported.That means after that time of three years security updates from Google you have to buy a new phone to keep the same level of OS-quality, that is probably not even produced very sustainable.I think the Fairphone would be perfect for a long-living secure phone on OS-basis as well!
(DIR) Post #ABuwVYaUcVzAZoh5lY by jeybe@social.anoxinon.de
2021-10-01T10:15:17Z
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@Fairphone So maybe you could consider partnering up with GrapheneOS to provide support for the Fairphone 4.Alternatively, if the Fairphone 4 doesn not meet the security requirenments right now it would be the perfect oppurtunity to take that into consideration for future hardware upgrades of the Fairphone 4 or for a future Fairphone 5.
(DIR) Post #ABuwhDLFRCNw9u7csi by jeybe@social.anoxinon.de
2021-10-01T10:17:21Z
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@Fairphone Addition: With sustainable mobile operating system I am refering to a Google-free secure and best-practice-follwing operating system like the mentioned GrapheneOS
(DIR) Post #ABuwksBW2aTnhSJYjA by jeybe@social.anoxinon.de
2021-10-01T10:18:02Z
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@Fairphone Addition: With sustainable mobile operating system I am refering to a Google-free secure and best-practice-follwing operating system like the mentioned GrapheneOS, with long term support