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(DIR) Post #ABa0WUU8khoM52DN4K by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T07:48:26Z
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Best Linux distro these days for a time strapped old-school power user, on a 2-in-1 laptop?Main uses are software development, knowledge base construction, possibly heavy pdf annotation. Some security for fun. Active pen must work but I doubt that's an issue anymore. I don't mind doing a lot of configuration, but "watch the mailing list for how Arch broke the build this week" is work not fun.
(DIR) Post #ABa0WV3acuARqyngK8 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T07:51:20Z
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@feonixrift just adopt debian and get it over with. :) it works a lot better these days out of the box, and you can always install testing or unstable if you feel like self flagellation.
(DIR) Post #ABa0wtuepqhQTKDAAq by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T07:56:02Z
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@ringo @feonixrift Yep, I'd also still recommend Debian for anything. The defaults work, the security team works, the software is close enough to upstream.
(DIR) Post #ABa13N6DEZD2jHhYMC by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T07:57:17Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift it's come a LONG way in the last 20 years.
(DIR) Post #ABa3CQEb98KQy44EAy by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T08:21:17Z
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@ringo @yojimbo That's a definite possibility; I run Debian on the antique my kid insists on using, and it's been zero trouble there.
(DIR) Post #ABa7AnnUy7NpHgsHmC by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T08:34:57Z
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@ringo @yojimbo The unspoken context to my question was largely that I've become less comfortable with Ubuntu over time, as it becomes increasingly 'user friendly' aka hard to debug and non-unixy.
(DIR) Post #ABa7AoERLwvydFTnlo by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:05:51Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo i kind of figured that... i tried ubuntu for a while, but it seriously drives me apeshit. all the extra layers.... all the overly unnecessary glossyness that need be stripped away (and then what's the point?)
(DIR) Post #ABa7IQV5TChjLYtlFQ by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:07:13Z
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@ringo @yojimbo Exactly. I don't need an 'app store,' I have apt repositories?
(DIR) Post #ABa7WpkCPYOhh1pwHY by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:07:50Z
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@feonixrift @ringo And please no more snap packages! You can't read df these days there's so many entries on it!
(DIR) Post #ABa7WqFkWFdPGsb8SW by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:09:50Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift I have never installed a single "snap". I refuse to play into the trend that attempts to make *nix for people who wont spend time reading manpages. it's cultural appropiation- on a serious note - it's subterfuge. in time, as that userbase grows, they will steer the direction of the "board" at a particular distro, who may or may not have made deals with the seed of satan (uh ahem, sound like canonical doesnt it?) etc- and thus destroying what was once a halfway decent ...
(DIR) Post #ABa7eeE37XrKHlWc0O by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:11:12Z
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@ringo @yojimbo I remember looking at system code and finding that it was like 50+% made of #IFDEF and .. realizing that it was necessary to think about multiple configurations at a core level and... now it's npm install madness-3.0 and just .. no.
(DIR) Post #ABa7fxRJAZasALLqPw by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:11:27Z
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@ringo @feonixrift I am always a very short step away from using OpenBSD as my main machine ... except these days my main unix box is mostly for entertainment. If it were for work, I'd be going OpenBSD for sure. It runs XMonad just fine, and I enjoyed that environment very much for years as the last job.
(DIR) Post #ABa7wWmlWNz0QIHywi by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:14:28Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo well the classical problem is if you remove routines necessary for the macros, while tweaking and tuning a system, only to find it breaks other things. this is never fun. // also, f*** npm. it's only good when its sandboxed, otherwise it can absolutely thrash a system in a matter of one wee hours quizical npm -i type night, and yet again - no fun..
(DIR) Post #ABa82uitR2BKOxWTtA by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:15:38Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift i once installed free bsd 4.0 via boot floppies on a 486dx with 40meg hd, and 4mb edo ram... no gui.. guess what? shit was SO rock solid it was unbelievable.. nearly 800 days uptime as an apache and sendmail server.. got knocked out by a power storm, and I just decided the experiment was a success at the time.. didn't need to turn it back on.
(DIR) Post #ABa8Csuz073bhPvrX6 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:17:26Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift xmonad is pretty clever. of the oldschool windowmangers, WMAKER is My ALLTIME favorite. it's modern enough that's incredibly powerful, but day to day i use xfce, although lately on this re-do of my box it's been driving me bonkers, because i cannot add shortcuts to the panel all of a sudden - it asks for "filename" ... something is broken and I haven't bothered to find out what yet. otherwise xfce has always been pretty A+ (since 2002 or so or whenever gnome went too bloat
(DIR) Post #ABa8GKsZUyHdHuRxU8 by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:12:41Z
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@yojimbo @ringo I'm not sure I could stomach fighting with BSD for a work environment where I have to interact with software like Microsoft Teams (gag, I know, but work is work); but for personal use oh is it tempting.
(DIR) Post #ABa8GLJVsnpmdT3TTk by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:18:03Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo microsoft teams? oh that's painful. btw, i tried to load netflix.com the other day on my deb box, (where i am now) and it literally refused to resolve...
(DIR) Post #ABa8PPj8qMGUvhMsS0 by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:16:11Z
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@feonixrift @ringo In my current job I have actual external customers, so I even have to have Microsoft software on there. We also have centrally-managed machines, so I'd have to live in a VM if I wanted to have my own choice ... and that's not the best way to be.
(DIR) Post #ABa8PQLmWhAorXRjg8 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:19:42Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift screw it just run windows unless you fancy your own brain a VM, that shit is just too hard.. you need to tell them the menu options at native speed AND quagmire, not "oh it works over here because i've flagellated windows into only running in ram, i can't see your hardware problems" lol... windows it is for you zir!
(DIR) Post #ABa8REPBuORuOXu2Xg by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:20:00Z
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@ringo @yojimbo i was a fluxbox fan (sucker for sideways window titles and tabbed floating windows, just for show) but haven't been able to get it to install correctly in a while; and see also strapped for time - I tend to run defaults a lot more often than I used to, just to not have to mess with broken configs.
(DIR) Post #ABa8VRmy5hYB3s2DL6 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:20:47Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo i loved fluxbox... used it for a few years.. you just reminded me that enlightenment hasn't worked since e17 and i cannot remember why... that one was dope!
(DIR) Post #ABa8XYjzDO0FCYeBNY by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:21:11Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo yeah - broken configs? no. i'm too old for that crap, i just want it to work, and be reasonably configurable..
(DIR) Post #ABa8Ztki45jown6J8a by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:21:34Z
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@ringo @yojimbo Pretty sure I'd love englightenment if I could meditate my way through configuring it far enough. Again, despite years (not recent) as an i3 user, i am an absolute sucker for the shiny.
(DIR) Post #ABa8a2RXkikptxCd0q by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:21:35Z
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@ringo @feonixrift Sounds like a decent result 🙂 I'd really like something like a Qubes, with different OSs in each of the zones ...
(DIR) Post #ABa8fPpqD33Ltk8EcK by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:22:35Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo how is i3 ? i just found a userguide on it and was tempted, i installed but haven't had enough free time creatable to actually fuxxor with it.
(DIR) Post #ABa8hD2mjoMSo22dhg by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:22:48Z
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@ringo @feonixrift Enlightenment was so pretty when I was first using it! But these days simplicity is what I'm after.Always wanted to try Qtile as a tiling WM because I know the original author ...
(DIR) Post #ABa8w4WOhqI4iZynE8 by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:25:32Z
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@ringo @yojimbo There are probably better tiling wm out there now, but it was relatively good especially in its era. Print out the keystrokes you need for the basic commands before getting into it, memorize the shortcut to start a terminal so you can pull the manpage easily; you will bounce out cussing otherwise. It let me work on fairly small low-res screens (think early eeepc netbooks) without annoyance. Can be themed to not look awful, but again, there are probably better tiling systems out there now that they've gained in popularity.
(DIR) Post #ABa92UsTcyR8CJN2tk by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:26:46Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo have you tried wmaker ?
(DIR) Post #ABa98MpCTs68xYdZKK by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:27:48Z
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@ringo @yojimbo .. no but now I'm drooling. I was just complaining the other day that I wanted the NeXT UI back.
(DIR) Post #ABa9V4QP3cs6YNre9g by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:31:55Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo wmaker has your back then. give it a spin, make sure to compile from source, it's a bit more recent than the deb pkg.. they've added some nice features since then. otherwise i think you're frozen in 2017 unless they updated it with the release of 11. havent been in there since i installed buster.
(DIR) Post #ABa9gCJs2tdGDw7Alk by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:33:56Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo also while we're on the topic of software- it may still crash if you try to load a different directory while a file transfer is in session, but gftp is scads above filezilla or anything else i've seen for its pure abject simplicity.. its like 1996-99 all over again, forever.
(DIR) Post #ABaA1ISyO46VMwQuYK by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:37:43Z
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@ringo @yojimbo How does that era keep coming around? My new laptop has a 3:2 screen instead of a 16:9 or whatever and I'm just at .. what? That was unobtainium for a while between.
(DIR) Post #ABaA6PdZ9Zvv3apLZg by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:38:41Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo because CRT's make a lot more sense for human optics than all this newfangled shit. and we miss it. i miss that warm yellow phosphor glow.
(DIR) Post #ABaARgGoVWSaizKIjY by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:42:31Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo response sourced quickly because i've been a professional photographer for a long time and refused to part with my sony 17" trinitron and panasonic CRT's until oh, 2013- LOL. then it's all been kentucky fried sh** since then in monitor land. the thinkpad i've got now is decent though, first in years that doesn't make my skin crawl, but its no crt.. (Thinkpad E595)
(DIR) Post #ABaAWmIrVJrOsqiOnY by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-09-21T09:42:22Z
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@feonixrift Dooo eeeet!!!I've been using WindowMaker for ... about 25 years now, actually.One of the best things about it is that it rarely if ever changes. Getting subpixel rendering was a Big Change.I'm also a fan of tearable / pinnable window menus and definable hotkeys for pretty much everything.@ringo @yojimbo
(DIR) Post #ABaAYvWGD4bW2v0TeC by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:43:47Z
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@ringo @yojimbo Thank goodness I have no aesthetic sense worth mentioning and normally want little out of my monitors other than 'display font without causing eyes to bleed.' But even so there's been considerable disappointment.
(DIR) Post #ABaAda3XRALcvWn7VA by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-09-21T09:44:39Z
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@ringo Hell, I think wmaker actually went for a long run of no updates at all from around 2005 or so. There were a few bugfixes in the mid 2010s.I see that as a feature.@feonixrift @yojimbo
(DIR) Post #ABaAfpwHM7j6lYTIci by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:45:05Z
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@dredmorbius @feonixrift @yojimbo they went from about 2005 to about 2015 without a single update, i think.
(DIR) Post #ABaAjwoHkdqhEbh14C by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:45:49Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo lol that has its advantages. meanwhile i was over there with a totally dark room and 3 monitors and all colour calibrated fucking around with raw images in 2006., on a 2.5 TB array.. LOL
(DIR) Post #ABaAkcVyh6A0ZzRzMW by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:45:07Z
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@dredmorbius @ringo @yojimbo Stable software? What is this nonsense! You can't possibly... oh. ;)
(DIR) Post #ABaAtSJryA5RZ803ZQ by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:47:30Z
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@ringo @yojimbo and that's why you're doing cool shit while i'm sitting here trying to bang metaphorical rocks together.
(DIR) Post #ABaB6GpC1AvJgClHd2 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:49:51Z
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@dredmorbius @feonixrift @yojimbo these days- i have a lot more fun doing these:
(DIR) Post #ABaBM9YEpPdBkrP9SC by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:52:43Z
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@dredmorbius @feonixrift @yojimbo each one has 5-9 lemurian seed crystals in them, various gemstones, and yes, they're basically solid state piezo electric condensers/conditioners. :) thank you dr reich. and yes, i do sell them. lol
(DIR) Post #ABaBSNCcz9hPpcGLMO by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:53:49Z
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@ringo @dredmorbius @yojimbo :grins: royal reich... there's a name I haven't heard in ages.
(DIR) Post #ABaBT0XCkaKdojBpLc by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-09-21T09:47:48Z
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@feonixrift It exists.It's not exciting and it doesn't get press.OTOH, I've watched about a quarter century each of GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and Enlightenment drama with amused detachment. That's a century's worth of entertainment right there.@ringo @yojimbo
(DIR) Post #ABaBT122tv0BMNcSQ4 by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:52:58Z
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@dredmorbius @ringo @yojimbo So... what's the trick to finding these non-abandoned, stable projects? Obviously they won't be making any lifehacker top ten lists.
(DIR) Post #ABaBT1ThF77Uk8YXWC by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:53:58Z
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@feonixrift @dredmorbius @yojimbo i don't know, i figure it's because i'm old. LOL well im not old but almost 39 isn't young. but i'm youthful, LOL. but probably just a good combination of reading too much, getting lost in apt-cache search, and that manner of thing...
(DIR) Post #ABaBVv43XpYxijwbXk by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:54:29Z
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@feonixrift @dredmorbius @yojimbo actually in this case not raymond, but Wilhelm. as in "listen little man", "god, aether, devil, cosmic super imposition," and the cloud buster. :-D
(DIR) Post #ABaBarDtFpFVFqtmM4 by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T09:55:23Z
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@feonixrift @dredmorbius @yojimbo although a few years ago i was speccing a build on a plasma tube and a signal generator... so that almost happened, LOL
(DIR) Post #ABaBnNpzosodskhAUC by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:57:37Z
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@ringo @yojimbo So the wmaker page claims gnustep is a desktop environment, then the gnustep page claims it's not... I feel like I stepped in gnu turds. :)
(DIR) Post #ABaBqgAc7GWNbluVwe by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T09:58:13Z
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@ringo @dredmorbius @yojimbo can't stop the signal ;) plans can always be resurrected
(DIR) Post #ABaCK8NsIS6dVg9t7w by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T10:03:35Z
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@feonixrift @yojimbo hahahaha semantics..!
(DIR) Post #ABaCfHxfsoiRILzURM by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-09-21T10:04:49Z
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@ringo @dredmorbius @yojimbo This is part of what renewed my commitment to building knowledge bases actually rather than just developing projects in a less cohesive way - some of the best projects are ones I resurrected from notes after a decade or two gone stale.
(DIR) Post #ABaCk4Zr4Z8PEU8A2y by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T10:08:15Z
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@feonixrift @dredmorbius @yojimbo i love that. it's important to sit with an idea sometimes for a really long time, until you really know what to do with it, until you've lived it. and lived without the solution long enough to see the answers clearly enough.
(DIR) Post #ABaG7wRxF2Jkq2VaFc by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T10:46:08Z
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@ringo @feonixrift A "desktop environment" is what gives us GNOME and dbus and stuff like that. A "window manager" seems far simpler, and probably more than enough 🙂
(DIR) Post #ABaGCLHmqNOd1Yqonw by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T10:46:59Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift oh dbus is an evil monster.. shhhh. :D
(DIR) Post #ABaGE6bkO582521nY8 by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T10:47:16Z
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@ringo @feonixrift @dredmorbius Cloud busting - now I'm hearing Kate Bush singing in my head ... which is morphing into Thomas Dolby ... aah good times
(DIR) Post #ABaGHcUsHTA9qqUO6S by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T10:47:56Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift @dredmorbius ha ha ! i just bought peter reich's book his son - actually=- it should be here in about a week. ive never heard the kate bush song.. i do like thomas dolby though ;)
(DIR) Post #ABaGPNbZX5K1yuK1p2 by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-09-21T10:49:18Z
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@ringo @feonixrift @dredmorbius From what I remember at the time, she made sure to talk to Peter Reich or at least wanted to ...
(DIR) Post #ABaKDCnUI1OanrLUnY by ringo@dobbs.town
2021-09-21T11:31:57Z
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@yojimbo @feonixrift @dredmorbius so much so that there's a book on abebooks.com thats called "the book from the song kate bushs cloudbusting.. fucking celebrites.. LOL