Post ABX8Ky3KmIFTbEGi7U by yes@social.handholding.io
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(DIR) Post #ABX8Ky3KmIFTbEGi7U by yes@social.handholding.io
2021-09-19T22:34:47.178401Z
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i am starting to understand how p feels when he has to deal with wave after wave of actual literal retards trying to justify why it's okay to do evil shit because when they do it is okay as they are the "good guys"
(DIR) Post #ABX9muXbWncilpJcRc by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-09-19T22:51:02.052917Z
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@yes what if there was no good or evil just the shit that gets you sent to jail, just do something else>but muh freedom muh justicei'm not interested in joining anyone's political movement go recruit somewhere else.
(DIR) Post #ABXPYfVhi2ci7LuKCO by rawrrawrfox@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-20T01:32:21.506478Z
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@fluffy >there's just shit that gets you sent to jail>communist government would send you to jail for making yourself financially independent>do something else>starve>resort to cannibalism>govmt puts up "don't eat your children" posters to solve it>no such thing as evil:thonking:also @yes yeah people who define themselves as the "good guys" are the worst, because they treat it like a solid milestone that they can't fall beneath no matter what backwards crap they do afterwards
(DIR) Post #ABXRwsbhnvyfi7gIim by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-09-20T02:14:30.077002Z
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@rawrrawrfox @yes governments i don't get your pointpeople who are stronger than you and who have more weapons have been forcing you to do shit since the beginning of history. yes, communist governments have mass starved civilians (e.g. in ukraine the holodomor) but that's not new either, the mongols killed/starved 90% of the population of persia according to some historians. "don't look at xyz porn" is not exactly the worst that governments have done.you can make up all sorts of rhetoric about muh evil muh good guys but it's just cope to deal with the fact that you don't live in a vacuum, other people are around, and freedom is a very new idea and i'm not sure it's gonna catch on.
(DIR) Post #ABXS1ZPMc60pc793Nw by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-09-20T02:15:22.487127Z
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@rawrrawrfox @yes people who are stronger than you and who have more weapons have been forcing you to do shit since the beginning of history. yes, communist governments have mass starved civilians (e.g. in ukraine the holodomor) but that's not new either, the mongols killed/starved 90% of the population of persia according to some historians. "don't look at xyz porn" is not exactly the worst that governments have done.you can make up all sorts of rhetoric about muh evil muh good guys but it's just cope to deal with the fact that you don't live in a vacuum, other people are around, and freedom is a very new idea and i'm not sure it's gonna catch on.
(DIR) Post #ABY3ome5sj2DAAMgcq by rawrrawrfox@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-20T09:18:50.248314Z
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@fluffy @yes @rawrrawrfox @yes >people who are stronger than you and who have more weapons have been forcing you to do shit since the beginning of history. yes, although we should draw a distinction between people that force you to do a thing at gun point, and people who would force you to not do a thing at gun point. the latter at least makes it difficult to make a slave out of you>yes, communist governments have mass starved civilians (e.g. in ukraine the holodomor) but that's not new either, the mongols killed/starved 90% of the population of persia according to some historians. "don't look at xyz porn" is not exactly the worst that governments have done.i know, but i really wasn't trying to make a point about government, or whether it's new or old things that they do, i was just using it as an example, also it wasn't supposed to be a commentary on the xyz porn>you can make up all sorts of rhetoric about muh evil muh good guys but it's just cope to deal with the fact that you don't live in a vacuum, other people are around, and freedom is a very new idea and i'm not sure it's gonna catch on.thats where we get to the point i was trying to makethere are such things as good an evilif not, you should be just as happy and fulfilled in your life when the woke dictatorship arrives, or when your govmt starves you, etc, however you are intrinsically aware that it would be an injustice towards you personallyif there is any hope in preserving liberty, it lies with the moral good in yourself and in the other people around you to do the right thing, to not encroach on each other, and respect the free will of each other as a matter of reciprocity (which is a precondition for good moral values) among other good values.there is such a thing as natural law, some people know it as karma, but it would be more accurate to describe it as consequences for one's actions, without the conscious desire of someone else to deliberately fail you. these work like clockwork, as rigorous as the laws of physics, but with a large enough delay between the cause and consequence to make it hard to observe. good moral values have been discovered by trial and failure against natural law. they're not made for the purpose of rhetoric or w/e, but instead so that you, for your own benefit are able to live in harmony with natural law, not having to suffer all the mistakes of the past.so it's no surprise that civilizations with good moral values get on and get along with each other, preserving some decently high level of liberty and respect for one's life and property, whereas the only way immoral societies exist, is by persistent intimidation to desperately try to preserve power for the sake of power centrally, which doesn't last long term, and those are bound to fall apart as well.a quote by (i thInk) earl nightingale - "We may avert the laws of man for a while, but there are greater laws that cannot be averted"
(DIR) Post #ABY7aTIRQNpCumfTxA by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-09-20T10:01:04.336659Z
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@rawrrawrfox @yes >if there is any hope in preserving liberty, it lies with...well, first of all, as i said i am not sure that there is any hope of preserving liberty. liberty, like the middle class (these phenomenon are very closely related), appears to have grown out of a power imbalance "growth spurt" in the last few centuries as we transitioned from one power structure (clergy, nobility) to another (press, business). it is no coincidence that "the land of the free" was largely independent landowners in the wildlands. all signs point to this "growth spurt", at least in the west, at least outside of the most intelligent, coming to a complete halt as fast as it can.