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(DIR) Post #9zT5DIlh20NZvtXdzM by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2020-09-24T01:15:42.948879Z
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I've always taken issue with the conventional controlled demolition conspiracy theory regarding the collapse of the World Trade Center. I do not in any way, shape, or form preclude a conspiracy involved in 9/11—Tower 7 and definitely the Pentagon are weird, for example—but regarding the twin towers, the footage REALLY doesn't look like a typical controlled demolition. An explosion racing down the buildings from where the planes impacted doesn't fit the theory of "bombs planted in the basement".A typical controlled demolition more resembles the whole building "falling into the ground" as roughly one piece—however relatively uneven—when bombs are set off at the base and sometimes in other parts of the building. The way the WTC collapses does admittedly match the official story—a structural integrity failure ostensibly caused by jet fuel burning for hours on end which caused the floors to collapse and pancake on each other, forcing dust and debris out the sides and appearing as if an explosion is racing down the building.Notice that nothing below the explosion is moving, unlike a typical controlled demolition. I'd also imagine planting bombs where the planes hit to simulate this would be an issue; would the bombs not go off when the planes hit? I know C4 is inert without an electrical charge, I suppose that's an option, but I'd still imagine the planes would risk damaging some of the C4 on impact.If it really is impossible for jet fuel to cause what we saw on 9/11, does this leave the thermite theory? Would the payload have to be carried by the planes themselves? I really don't know.911 Tower Collapse [2+1.c2.cl.r…
(DIR) Post #ABJDfWt0Swd8mjSo3E by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:28:28.522626Z
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@Vivernu then there's the ridiculous amount of eyewitness reports even from people inside the building that explosions came from the building twice through the day, when the planes hit, and when the building started to collapse. There was video of the base showing explosions in the lobby too. All 7 buildings went down, not just three. Then there's the footage of firefighters clearing the street around WTC7 saying "we're bringing it down, we're bringing it down"
(DIR) Post #ABJDzJCD4kSW7JsSC8 by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:32:08.513337Z
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@coyote I don't think any of that matters with regards to the twin towers themselves because it did not collapse from a conventional controlled demo since it just couldn't have visually. So whatever people thought were explosions at the base of the building must have some other explanation. Debris hitting the ground? Idk. That is not a conventional controlled demo just from watching the footage of them collapsing.Idk about Tower 7. Also a controlled demo being unlikely or impossible doesn't preclude 9/11 being a conspiracy. I just don't believe if it was it was done in such a fashion.
(DIR) Post #ABJEnVdn51cJC2iQEq by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:41:12.709773Z
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@Eris @coyote You didn't read the whole thing so I'm just going to ignore this dumb, gay statement.
(DIR) Post #ABJEzuSicWgdeORwFE by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:43:21.597472Z
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@Vivernu yes it does, because according to nist it fell due to structural fire, not the fire department "bringing it down". Since nist couldn't even find the evidence that WTC7 was brought down with explosives, how could they tell with the other 6 buildings? Also, in another multiple-person eyewitness account, what could explain a man going into the basement, a large explosion coming from below, and the man coming out of the basement disfigured and with no hands, as was reported happening on that day? Explosions coming from below the tower completely dismantle any theory that this was purely from an airplane, and the video of firefiighters clearing the street for the demo destroys the nist report where your theory comes from.It was surely, at minimum, allowed to happen for political reasons, but I'm fairly certain it was orchestrated given the amount of funny business with CIA funded al qaeda and isis, the amount of false flags in the name of these groups, the amount of people who are coerced and aided in crimes who are just mentally ill nobodies, the torture in abu ghraib and guantanamo, it was all justified based on lies, and I conclude that based on overwhelming evidence.
(DIR) Post #ABJF5Y3epcbVu1Prm4 by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:44:25.445804Z
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@Eris @Vivernu yeah it really looks exactly like one, so much so, that it looks like the best building demo in the history of demos
(DIR) Post #ABJF5z3ETJJ5cWQPMO by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:44:32.979196Z
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@Eris @coyote You didn't understand it then. IT REALLY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A (CONVENTIONAL) CONTROLLED DEMO!Simply collapsing vertically is not the only pre-requisite for a controlled demolition. If you detonate bombs at the base of the building, it's not going to collapse how the twin towers collapsed. It's objectively true that -something- caused a structural integrity failure /at the tops of the buildings on similar floors to where the planes hit/ that caused them to pancake on themselves and rush down the building.I don't care how many eyewitnesses claim they heard/saw "explosions at the base of the building". Whatever they experienced couldn't have been related to however they collapsed.It doesn't necessarily preclude them putting bombs at the tops of the buildings. I'd imagine that'd take some careful planning to make sure the planes don't destroy/set off the bombs when they impact so you could delay when they go off.
(DIR) Post #ABJFGf23F5i8iYxoQa by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:46:28.819502Z
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@coyote Once again doesn't matter because whatever caused the buildings to collapse had nothing to do with an explosion at the base of the building. THAT'S NOT HOW IT LOOKS. It could have possibly been bombs planted at the tops of the buildings where the planes hit sure but any claim of explosions in the basement or base of the buildings should just be dismissed as irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #ABJFRnadlTMgReSB8a by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:48:29.571765Z
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@coyote @Eris No it doesn't. Not a conventional demo at least. If it was, it wouldn't be an explosion racing down from the top to the bottom. It'd be the whole building collapsing as a whole into the ground like actual controlled demos work. Something objectively fucked the structural integrity at the top floors around where the planes hit and caused the floors to pancake on themselves down the building. No "explosion" at the base of the building caused them to collapse or else it would look different.Conspiracy or otherwise I could see high heat weakening the metal and causing them to pancake down the building. Doesn't preclude a conspiracy even if jet fuel entirely did it. The pentagon was suspicious. I've heard so much shit about Tower 7 idk really.
(DIR) Post #ABJFT5RsqrtY7eyJay by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:48:30.052947Z
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@Vivernu @Eris except this building was a very specially designed building and functions very uniquely from other buildings. Bombs could have more easily done what NIST suggests fire did, if you think fire did it, there's no reason bombs couldn't do it. The only question you have to answer: why did it fall vertically all at once, both towers, not falling to the side that got hit, like the trunk of a tree?
(DIR) Post #ABJFYUYsuTXvSNp8W8 by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:49:42.269958Z
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@Eris @coyote Well in that case if it was a controlled demo, bombs would have been detonated only at the top.
(DIR) Post #ABJFgWIoK0ajAk8KbQ by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:51:09.132822Z
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@coyote @Eris The WTC was apparently designed to collapse vertically in the event of a structural integrity failure to minimize collateral.What I am specifically contesting is that bombs /at the base of the building/ couldn't have had anything to do with the towers collapsing because of HOW they collapse. I'm not precluding bombs placed roughly around the floors where the planes hit.
(DIR) Post #ABJFqFF6bWv59s2O2q by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:52:40.544542Z
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@Vivernu If you're going to go based on looks I will too: it looks exactly like the world's most controlled and careful building demo ever. I've seen 7 story shitty apartment buildings fuck up and stay together during demolition.But again, you're ignoring the architecture and structure of the building, if you took out the base first, that's how this collapse would happen.
(DIR) Post #ABJG0dNXioK2uWwDbc by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:54:46.825428Z
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@coyote The bottom line is it didn't collapse /because of bombs in the basement/base of the building/. Specifically the basement/base of the building. That's all I'm saying. So harping about "explosions in the basement" is a waste of time. Any explosives would have had to have been placed at the top floors to cause the way it collapsed.
(DIR) Post #ABJG3Ir0UMvm7gzZwG by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:55:16.454926Z
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@Eris @coyote Ok so stop going on about how "they heard bombs exploding AT THE BASE of the building". Whatever witnesses heard or saw there had nothing to do with how it collapsed.
(DIR) Post #ABJG7AaJAyB3dP1dEO by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:55:50.513347Z
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@Eris @Vivernu explosions like that wouldn't happen with just jet fuel
(DIR) Post #ABJG8HSD7ZhNEGldgm by bebe@poa.st
2021-09-13T05:56:10.154104Z
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@Eris @Vivernu @coyote Yes Mr. Trump also mentioned that the bombs had been used. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ABJGD4DFmNCrbt3O6q by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:57:01.756564Z
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@coyote @Eris Can I be blunt I haven't seen specific evidence of explosions at all?
(DIR) Post #ABJGEs8rd4FAkhrSoi by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:57:16.399700Z
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@Vivernu I'm suggesting they were on every floor if they were reported and filmed in the basement. There's photo evidence of israeli mossad "art students" setting up charges in the WTC themselves.
(DIR) Post #ABJGMzmz56D4mnV6ga by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T05:58:41.393438Z
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@Vivernu @Eris that's because the lie is easier to tell than the truth, and the truth scares people. Good lost, evil won.
(DIR) Post #ABJGT7CyPTC5X9ZiJU by 9vvV16Ws2zLIF7TtAG.Vivernu@springbo.cc
2021-09-13T05:59:56.192673Z
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@coyote If explosions in the basement had anything to do with it collapsing then anyone who would have witnessed it would have been dead since it'd have been the moment of collapse. The moment that part was destroyed. It doesn't make sense. You wouldn't hear an explosion in the basement like, say, 30 minutes before the building collapsed. I can potentially believe they detonated bombs at the top floors and that caused the floors to pancake. I don't particularly believe there were bombs at any floor. It doesn't seem necessary.It is very believable that /something in the top floors/ caused the floors to pancake down the building. That's believable. It doesn't require bombs on every floor. It requires something to cause a structural integrity failure at the top be it bombs or jet fuel.
(DIR) Post #ABJGyEMZrG3QhXu7ay by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T06:05:30.123793Z
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@Vivernu you missed what I said, there were two sets of explosions, as in "boom" as in "blow up", one happened when the plane made contact bur slightly before it (out of sync, two separate sources) and in multiple eyewitness reports he was bloodied all over and missing his hands, the other one happened when the building collapsed and video was made of the explosions coming from the basement during the collapse.Of course, building 7 proves charges were set months in advance, you can't rig a building to blow while it's on fire. Case closed afaic
(DIR) Post #ABJH3k2tUTWIPXKEOe by Gayniggeranus@poa.st
2021-09-13T06:06:33.300954Z
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@Vivernu @coyote Bruh even if the floors pancaked top-down, the vertical beams would still be standing.
(DIR) Post #ABJHAOTO5zW1X0tCtM by coyote@lain.sh
2021-09-13T06:07:42.539499Z
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@s8n @Vivernu there were the dancing israelis, that's what really matters