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(DIR) Post #ABC49tcU9Gb0KarEsS by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T18:39:01.565642Z
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Pit Bulls (or any breed, really) shouldn't be banned, and here's why;Pit bull definitions are going to be extremely vague as they rely on appearance, not lineage, as most pit bulls are not purebred or recent crosses of pure bred. This makes breed bans actually encompass multiple non-pit bull type breeds, as well as not cover some other pit bull type breeds. It's not the dog, it the owner. But unironically. Pit bull bans in Canadian cities saw huge increases in dog bites from GSDs instead. Iowa saw a similar trend, with a slight rise in dog attacks with mastiffs and rotties. In CO, there was no change in dog attacks except that fewer were coming from pit bull type dogs. Places like Japan have 0 breed bans, and even though they have pit bulls, they have very few fatal dog attacks despite everyone there being about the size of a normal American child.Slippery slope theory isn't a logical fallacy if it is proven true before - what is stopping them, after going after pit bulls, to go after the next most dangerous dog? In CO, they began euthanizing even small dogs because they fit their definition of dangerous dog. What's to stop them from saying guns shouldn't be banned, when 40 people die a year due to dog attacks and guns resulted in 20k last year?It would be nigh impossible to keep track of people's breeding, selling, rehoming etc of dogs. You'd have to have a nanny state watching people's every move to figure out whose breeding dogs, who is giving them away, what dogs may have pit bull in them, and it's not really doable currently.I also have good reason to believe this pit bull ban is a plot for something much larger. The statistics I see get posted are really dishonest, omit important information, is largely posted to appeal to emotion and the ones pushing it seem to have ulterior motives. But, that might be for another time where I can piss off even more users :uwu_turtle:Willing to have logical debate, or discuss maybe what should be done by the increasing amount of dog attacks in America. :comfyaww:
(DIR) Post #ABC4N1uiceqToreIJE by ziptie@paypig.org
2021-09-09T18:40:28Z
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@Tepid_Tapir You're a retard.
(DIR) Post #ABC50feOoeIAM2uy80 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T18:48:33.747763Z
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@ziptie I'm not adverse to have a discussion, if you want to explain your position a bit more.
(DIR) Post #ABC5Vno2XmmAcqGv6e by mushroom_soup@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-09T18:54:10.723105Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @ziptie I can't find that pitbull soyjak meme to post here and it's pissing me off
(DIR) Post #ABC5wPTB8OUQxxCYfQ by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T18:58:59.809384Z
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@Tepid_Tapir So why the differnce in aggression in Japan vs America? The dogs taking after their owners' demeanor or specific training?
(DIR) Post #ABC66x2BCHULxbbENk by mushroom_soup@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-09T19:00:53.609052Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir as usual it's the fault of niggers
(DIR) Post #ABC6IAIWDwW0HXaaq8 by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:02:55.703511Z
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@mushroom_soup @Tepid_Tapir That was my main assumption but I've seen reports of whites that own pits that also get aggresive and attack others.
(DIR) Post #ABC6OZ2z7QyomKNIFE by mushroom_soup@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-09T19:04:04.298210Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir wiggers probably
(DIR) Post #ABC6euV180JHwcHU4u by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:07:02.425816Z
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@mushroom_soup @Tepid_Tapir Hmm shit. I might have to expand on what I think qualifies as a wigger then.
(DIR) Post #ABC6vRO2cYlcZntt0i by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:10:01.540301Z
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@DerSauerkraut I find it to largely be a cultural thing. Japan is very big on not being a nuisance to others, they have a work ethic to the point of suicide, and IMO I don't believe their culture kind of gives the same 'child' affect to their pets. This mix means they are more likely to put in effort in their animals, they are mindful when it becomes an issue and they are more likely to get rid of/cull it if they find they can't handle it and its becoming an issue. You have to also remember Akitas are huge in Japan - they are bigger than pits, more prone to stranger aggression and also prone to dog aggression. Your pure bred American Staffordshire or American Pit Bull Terrier is gonna be under 60lbs and stranger friendly. So why aren't Akitas fucking people up in Japan? They fuck more people in the states than Japan I believe, too.Another important thing to note is pride. Japan breeders are extremely prideful in their craft, it looks bad on them if their dog goes to retard as well. Look at where most pits come from and go to.Don't get me wrong, Japan has their own animal related faults. But, they take 100% responsibility, something we should take notes on.
(DIR) Post #ABC7ZiRwbIYx4zvlGS by lichelordgodfrey@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:17:18.248594Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @DerSauerkraut iirc, the genetic difference between dog breeds is far smaller than the difference between human races/subspecies, so the old meme about having pit bulls in place of Sub-Saharan Africans/People of Sub-Saharan African descent (especially West Africans/Bantu)in infographics to try to trip up the "normies" was.. funny, but it unintentionally served another purpose (who knows where they originated, though).
(DIR) Post #ABC7jyLCN94DGFfM36 by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:19:09.523699Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Personal responibility is largely gone nowadays. That makes sense.Also>Akitas are bigger than pits, more prone to stranger aggression and also prone to dog aggressionI did not know this. The Pro-Akita propaganda has obviously been very successful. They always look happy and friendly in photos and videos online.
(DIR) Post #ABC7l8xeN8bcUMD4ym by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:19:22.251405Z
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@DerSauerkraut @mushroom_soup Of course, I see it all the time too - It's not a problem of color but of culture, usually. Although I will note, I have tried my best to help blacks understand dog language and even the most eager to learn still fall so short and I find myself needing to continuously explain what I'd consider stuff that would come naturally to a child. I wonder, if Africa's lack of domestication, has kind of led to Africans not innately understanding animal language?Anyway, there's a culture of not giving a fuck about your dog because it's cool to be cold and unloving and only give it attention when you're ready, i guess is the easiest way to describe it. And thats a terrible combo lol. Looking at dog bites from a different angle, something like 95+% of dog attacks are from unfixed dogs, and the vast majority are outdoor only dogs found in one study. That doesn't, however, mean the outdoors and being unfixed makes a dog aggressive - it's likely the culture that doesn't bother bringing them to a vet and neglects them outdoors, but they're gonna try to tell you sunlight makes your dog go nuts lol
(DIR) Post #ABC83HzfWnfxiOo4oa by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:22:38.991218Z
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@lichelordgodfrey @DerSauerkraut Yeah dog breeds are surprisingly similar to each other. Most of the dog breeds we have today developed from what, 1700's onwards? Humans, much longer š
(DIR) Post #ABC8MbyLTKRpBDOw4m by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:26:08.542547Z
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@DerSauerkraut They're fucking adorable. My personal experience with them is awful though (the american Akita is also bigger than the Japanese version). One cornered me in a kennel and growled me down, another split my lip in half, the other was a family friend's that I was able to train but when I moved away they dog bit the shit out of the owner and the wife resulting in 3 hospital visits and eventual surrender to a shelter. The first 2 were shelter setting though (high stress) and the latter they obviously couldn't handle the dog because they needed me to continuously train it for them. They are good, goofy dogs. But they need to be trained and more importantly socialized and feel safe.
(DIR) Post #ABC8cl51NTZ43nDtxI by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:29:03.617682Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup >Africa's lack of domesticationYeah I was thinking that as well. I normally here kinds brains are developed to fully understand dogs by age 4, which is why some dogs can be hesitant around very yound children. They know the kid can get carried away and be too rough.Never raising any animals africans may simply not have the wiring to understand dogs.>Outside dogs are most attacksMakes sense. Even you don't play with puppies and socialize them/get them used to people they'll turn out like wild dogs. It sounds to be that same scenario with dogs left alone in a backyard.
(DIR) Post #ABC8vs2Vj6f99AA83s by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:32:30.893774Z
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@Tepid_Tapir 1. a half nigger is still a nigger, and dog is no different2. with the presented data are comparing dog attacks relative to population aswell as fatal attacks from dogs3. japan has pitts but they're more often than not in the dog fights they have there, than in households4. and?5. no. it isn't pitts will almost always look like pitts until they are bred out of dog6. is this related to most of the pro-pittbull people being moderate rightwingers and most leftwingers
(DIR) Post #ABC918ze7VfXAyKxUm by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:33:28.078621Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Wow. Sounds like the perfect dog for workaholic japanese. Something else to be fully invested in. High investment high return.
(DIR) Post #ABC9T5ee7vaavgq9rc by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:38:31.004753Z
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@Terra_australis I guess let's start with first what you consider to be a pit bull. Legally in America and the UK at least a pit bull is legally defined as an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, any apparent mix, or any dog that looks like it might be mixed. The people making that decision of if your dog looks like it's a pit mix are going to be largely cops, or people like me :uwu_blush: because technically I am a professional.We won't concern ourselves with my definition of pit bull, unless you really wanted to know. We'll just work with your constraints
(DIR) Post #ABCA4B7WlfiWb12BYu by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:45:13.306615Z
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@Tepid_Tapir if it looks like a pittbull it's a pittbull
(DIR) Post #ABCA6nYkp5kmON1DUW by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:45:41.703112Z
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@DerSauerkraut Basically! Although I really don't think it's that hard, just need to put some effort into it. Something else I notice about different cultures and their dogs is that Americans believe dogs to be these friendly outgoing playful creatures. I noticed a lot of far east dogs are aloof, not as people friendly, and either the culture grew around that or vice versa (probably vice versa).Americans end up considering aloof dogs to be 'difficult', but talking to some koreans they consider extremely clingy dogs like the shelties to be difficult lol Sorry if I'm talking your ear off about dogs :shiro_worried:
(DIR) Post #ABCABaXGfo2LRlbiuO by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:46:33.602843Z
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@Terra_australis I feel you're being obtuse on purpose.can you list the physical characteristics of a pit bull?
(DIR) Post #ABCADVepmRnSth3wiu by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:46:54.491746Z
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@Tepid_Tapir no
(DIR) Post #ABCAUmsL1By5DicLxo by Clarence_Oveur@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:49:42.231031Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis the full list is: ugly nigger looking dogs.
(DIR) Post #ABCAWfPJktH2dawKTQ by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:50:21.969619Z
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@Terra_australis Shame, I promise it's not some gotcha thing. Just wanted to know what terms I was dealing with :shrug_akko:
(DIR) Post #ABCAjPVgAllb65zZ4K by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:52:40.380356Z
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@Tepid_Tapir i don't see how this tangent is relevent, we both know what shitbulls look like.
(DIR) Post #ABCAnHsgTklwawbKFM by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:53:22.397337Z
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@Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis That's not really a logical way of looking at things.I'd be willing to talk to you about it if you want to have a discussion. I'm not saying you have to like them, mind you.
(DIR) Post #ABCAu9s2exNdmJZpOC by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:54:36.937026Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis >That's not really a logical way of looking at things:bball1:
(DIR) Post #ABCAz5LgtnK3CanJRo by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:55:30.215371Z
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@Terra_australis Oh no, it's actually much more difficult than that. I have a much more defined understanding of breed types.For example pic related, pit bull or not?
(DIR) Post #ABCB0SjNRzm60fWvfU by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:55:44.381774Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I like dogs so its no problem. I don't keep any myself because rentoid and work too much to really keep up with one properly sadly.Like you said though I do like friendly playful dogs. An aloof/unapproachable dog seems like a chance to get attacked if you press and try to be friendly with them. Hmm, thinking about it. Had a neighbors pit/mix short stalking dog follow me on a walk one day.Very friendly and stayed glued to my like he was mine. Ended up having to go all the way home with him and take him back with my car. We were roughly a mile from his place. We even stopped at a gas station for water and he was friendly with everyone there too.
(DIR) Post #ABCB66rHgW3zuXvBaK by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:56:46.490286Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis Looks like a nigger dog
(DIR) Post #ABCBC1G5PzNEHSLA3c by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:57:50.646784Z
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@Tepid_Tapir disgenic bulldog
(DIR) Post #ABCBKdyBNHwKer4uvY by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:59:23.936667Z
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@Terra_australis Sure but is it a pit bull? because you have some people believing it is. @sysrq
(DIR) Post #ABCBPVzMTWKHLxx7h2 by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:00:16.913637Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis It's a nigger dog, fuck off
(DIR) Post #ABCBQ99erAjepC4Oem by Clarence_Oveur@poa.st
2021-09-09T19:55:05.027909Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis thereās nothing wrong or inconsistent with what I said.
(DIR) Post #ABCBQ9fCxryMP2papk by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:00:23.681203Z
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@Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis I'm guessing you don't want to have a discussion then? I can't really argue over personal tastes.
(DIR) Post #ABCBamzXbCnrGwPdWC by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:02:19.169409Z
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@sysrq @Terra_australis Nigger dogs = pit bulls, I'm guessing?
(DIR) Post #ABCBpRpMZLm1ybdqM4 by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:04:58.147502Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis Kinda
(DIR) Post #ABCBxw461w6C4ca2LY by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:06:30.174592Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @sysrq i'm very sorry but i came for a disscussion, not pointless tangents definitions
(DIR) Post #ABCByTD6nRuqs83CTY by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:06:35.968461Z
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@sysrq If you could explain your definition a bit more i'd be happy to have a discussion with ya. It's hard to have a discussion when there's already a ton of confusion on what the subject even is.
(DIR) Post #ABCC1Ox75HGKXDxzoO by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:07:07.771482Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Not interested, fuck off
(DIR) Post #ABCCDFp2r6X5h2qQmO by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:09:16.255980Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis Another thing with Pitbulls, if you raise them right, with their bite strenght they make for great catch dogs for wild hogs when you are trying to run the hogs down and drag them out of the woods for domestication.
(DIR) Post #ABCCTVUKNUteugu7Qu by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:12:12.405008Z
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@Terra_australis So you can't even answer if a bulldog is a pit bull? The definition needs to be made otherwise we are arguing on very different ideas of what a pit bull is. Let me give you an example.To me, an American Bulldog is not a pit bull because it was not derived from any 'pit bull' dog. A pit bull dog being any breed largely used in fighting dogs. American Bulldogs came from Asian mollasar breeds, like mastiffs. The confusion here though comes from the fact that despite not being used in dog fighting this breed is specifically banned alongside pit bull type dogs. Pic related is quite literally the OG in pit bull fighting, this was the FIRST standardized fighting dog, and remains to be the closest ancestor to the first 'Pit Bull' dog. It is never mentioned in pit bull bans, but I still consider it a pit bull because by lineage, it is a direct pit bull terrier and is still bred with dog aggression in the lines.So now you might understand where the confusion lies. This is just a single, prevalent instance of this issue
(DIR) Post #ABCCmCytPX0H177OU4 by Clarence_Oveur@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:10:04.005797Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis Do you think that if there were significantly more pitt bulls in the country, it would be better or worse overall?
(DIR) Post #ABCCmDbX5ruawxCFiC by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:15:35.113486Z
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@Clarence_Oveur @Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis Worse considering the average person that would be raising said pits. It would amplify even more considering the problem of college students adopting dogs and abandoning them when they have to move back home.
(DIR) Post #ABCCpJJmJ5nDXUMmh6 by travis@pleroma.xmanifesto.club
2021-09-09T20:16:08.825183Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis thats spudz mckenzie
(DIR) Post #ABCDAOID0S8N36gUCm by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:19:57.465073Z
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@Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis I think with less blacks/black culture there would be much less of an issue. I don't think pits are exactly the problem. I do believe that with American Pit Bull Terriers being more prevalent, there would logically be more dog/small animal attacks, but the breed isn't supposed to be stranger aggressive. However, most of these 'pits' aren't being bred to any standard. But let's say we replace all larger dogs with APBT - I do believe in that case the scenario would actually be better for fatalities. Probably not good for small animals - they are TERRIERS after all.I've watched blacks ruin dogs I've trained. I've trained dogs that blacks have ruined. I've watched little old ladies take better care of young high energy pit bulls than young able black men, no kidding. They've made pugs uber aggressive. Pugs! They are KNOWN for being outgoing and easy to handle. Look at Obama's dog - Breed specifically known for being great with kids, gave a kid face stitches, and it was raised in a rich af home.Blacks/culture seems to be a plague on dog care. Removing responsibility from the owner and placing it on the dog, a thing we created, is a ploy.
(DIR) Post #ABCDQ5hLuLO00qvnyy by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:22:47.688101Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis Of the like 3 or 4 dogs the tested bite PSI on (not a very accurate measure for bite strength but it's all we got) I believe the 'pit bull' (no specific breed) actually measured last with GSD and I think Rottie being higher. But, they do make great catch dogs, at least the American Pit Bull Terrier, due to tenacity alone! However, you need to watch out for that dog aggression, catch dogs usually work in packs. Gotta socialize them well.
(DIR) Post #ABCDfLo8IOuGJpNZtA by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:25:33.224282Z
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@sysrq well then prepare for your jar of piss with dog fighting facts in the mail next week š¬
(DIR) Post #ABCDh5g3Esc6s2QeHo by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:25:52.051426Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis Talked with some guys that did so semi-often and they'd only used 2 or 3 dogs most of the time. One older experienced dog and one or two younger dogs being trained.
(DIR) Post #ABCDre2gKFJMLc2xMG by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:27:46.527383Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I said fuck off
(DIR) Post #ABCDv5y8x0ptpVZLzk by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:28:23.920319Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis That's a good way to do it; I used to train the really high energy, hard to place shelter dogs to be catch dogs. They kinda put a stop to that, though. Said the dogs might get hurt hunting. Hurt more than euthanasia? :5870_open_eye_crying_laughing: Would be a great way to get rid of those really high energy pits that need more than just a few walks a day, though.
(DIR) Post #ABCE3y8RRjsG8icLPE by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:30:00.112070Z
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@sysrq Sorry, but you can not unsubscribe from dog fighting facts.
(DIR) Post #ABCE7QrX5z686XMNOq by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:30:37.738059Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis God forbid we used our dogs for what they were bred for. Why is everything so gay...
(DIR) Post #ABCE7TXR99o0P4yrzc by sysrq@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:30:38.157498Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Stop trying to get the last word, fuck off
(DIR) Post #ABCEEzdwBDtW0Bbdp2 by Badmann@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:31:59.708368Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I agree is fair to reserve my judgement since they are domestic animals. The thing that bothers me is the possiblity pits have been selected for fighting. I don't deny theory of evolution (after all, it is what made breeds in the first place.) I think a lot of pit breed stock probably came from those who are conditioning the animals to be fighting dogs rather than plain working dogs. It is a known criminal industry (and why the breed is popular with American niggers). If through selection made the breed (or if it is already) docile, then I would have no issue. I don't think bad reputations just fall from the sky. Nor do I feel the state is capable of resolving anything realistically at the moment. >I also have good reason to believe this pit bull ban is a plot for something much larger. I think it's just political clout, there is no substance between this and lawn darts.>The statistics I see get posted are really dishonest, omit important informationSee something, say something.>In CO, they began euthanizing even small dogs because they fit their definition of dangerous dog.Animal euthanization as a whole is a larger problem for me. The industrialization of pet breeding is needless, and a better model if it would be moved to a client waiting model. If we are doing full population control, it would be more effective knowing the demand beforehand. Hopefully, that will reduce needless waste of life. (Of course, this would place outside pressure on less popular animals, so this might be a terrible idea as well).
(DIR) Post #ABCGE6FkJqwG7XzbLE by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:54:14.637327Z
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@Badmann I share your concern for predisposition for aggression. I suppose a few things need to be cleared up about aggression;We breed for different types of drives, we'll call it aggression; Small animal aggression (as seen in terriers, hounds), Stranger aggression (prevalent in livestock guardian dogs, mastiffs), and dog aggression (sometimes in livestock guardians, seen in pit types). There's a reason it's called 'Stranger' and not 'people' aggression, if people can't get near the dog without being attacked we couldn't breed the dog or cull the offspring, we couldn't do jack shit with them and they'd effectively choose their own breeding partners, cull each other, and become feral dogs.The pit bull type dogs are actually not prone to stranger aggression, it is really against even the dog man's (a dogfighter) best interest. If your dog bit the referee, who had to be in the ring and close to the dogs fighting, your dog was disqualified. In some high stakes fights it's not just your dog that might be killed for that, the owner's ass might get sacked too.That being said, the vast vast majority of 'pit bulls' being bred today are not bred for dog fighting. In fact a good chunk of even the American Pit Bull Terriers are being bred away from even dog aggression. But, the issue with pits is they aren't largely bred for anything right now, they are bred incessantly with 0 thought into the breeding. Dogmen call them 'pet bulls'. I've seen videos of your average gangbanger pitting their pits against real dogs and they are running and cowering, it's sad to watch. In reality, you've probably never seen a game fighting dog. After seeing game pits before, I don't believe most people have ever seen a game dog in their life. I already don't believe the have retained decent genes to be kept as fighting dogs. All these gangbangers feeding their dogs bullets and injecting them with rat poison to make them tough, have the same dog you could buy for $50 at the shelter right now that would shit itself and die if you pit it with any game pit.I don't agree with full pop control of dogs. You surely know what would happen; the cool breeds like the Otterhound and Rhodesian Ridgeback would die out, and French and English Bulldogs and their ilk would be the only dogs left available come a few decades. I think it was Sweeden or Norway who have such a low pet overpop that people don't even spay or neuter animals unless medically necessary (although I hear their overpop is growing larger, maybe due to more people?). Japan is actually really bad about getting pet fads and getting rid of them just as easily. Again, I think it has to do with culture. Taking responsibility. I always say, puppies are always in demand - dogs never are.>See something, say something.Its a lot to get into and ive already gotten you into a LOT in this comment but the TL;DR - most stats are taken from CDC > CDC takes their info from media coverage > Media is perhaps less than honest. But, not even taken that into consideration, is per capita. More pits = more bites. Simple as.My deepest apologies for the length :sweats: I really appreciate the convo though
(DIR) Post #ABCGLi08N2u9DoJnXM by philmchawk@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:41:12.665637Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis You should like the faggots talking about "without White supremacy". Nigger dogs are nigger dogs, not all dogs are good.
(DIR) Post #ABCGLiW2SQQQolFHGa by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:55:37.037656Z
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@philmchawk @Clarence_Oveur @Terra_australis >without White supremacyWhat>not all dogs are goodYou don't get a good dog with no effort
(DIR) Post #ABCGVzsOlXnzYZbd3Y by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T20:57:28.742337Z
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@sysrq Did you know?Dog fighting began in the UK when the government banned bloodsports, and fighting dogs was a lot more inconspicuous than fighting bulls?
(DIR) Post #ABCHl65o2Iir8MdpaK by Badmann@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:11:21.099462Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I appreciate your response, I really wanted a chance to give them the benefit of the doubt, since animals do pattern after man and are ultimately at their mercy.>I don't agree with full pop control of dogs. You surely know what would happen; the cool breeds like the Otterhound and Rhodesian Ridgeback would die out, and French and English Bulldogs and their ilk would be the only dogs left available come a few decades. I think it was Sweeden or Norway who have such a low pet overpop that people don't even spay or neuter animals unless medically necessary (although I hear their overpop is growing larger, maybe due to more people?). Japan is actually really bad about getting pet fads and getting rid of them just as easily. Again, I think it has to do with culture. Taking responsibility. I always say, puppies are always in demand - dogs never are.Yes, this argument was in the back of my mind. The convenience for implementation means selection for the current fad breeds.
(DIR) Post #ABCHsZeYWscqqDScWu by Badmann@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:12:45.750935Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I appreciate your response, I really wanted a chance to give them the benefit of the doubt, since domesticated animals do respond to man and their behavior and are ultimately at their mercy.>I don't agree with full pop control of dogs. You surely know what would happen; the cool breeds like the Otterhound and Rhodesian Ridgeback would die out, and French and English Bulldogs and their ilk would be the only dogs left available come a few decades. I think it was Sweeden or Norway who have such a low pet overpop that people don't even spay or neuter animals unless medically necessary (although I hear their overpop is growing larger, maybe due to more people?). Japan is actually really bad about getting pet fads and getting rid of them just as easily. Again, I think it has to do with culture. Taking responsibility. I always say, puppies are always in demand - dogs never are.Yes, this argument was in the back of my mind. The convenience for implementation means selection for the current fad breeds.
(DIR) Post #ABCIqLTMNhi6Egj0bI by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:23:33.949367Z
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@Badmann >domesticated animals do respond to manGranted it's anecdotal, but I've seen many cases of shit owner brings in a shit dog, and it's trained to a manageable level. And vice versa, one of our nice trained dogs gets turned to utter dogshit after general neglect. I've seen high profile dog fighting dogs trained to be used as helper dogs (dogs we use to see how well other dogs play, basically). I used to despise pits, but after seeing my hard work ruined time and time again I began hating their retard owners. I feel like if we put more emphasis on the owners, gave them more responsibility, we might actually get behind the real problem.I would say with your idea of population control, dog fatalities would be near 0. There are some small dogs killing young children, but usually as the result of leaving a baby alone for an extended time with a dog. And, while some dogs may go extinct, it would practically ensure that the population is getting low energy, easy to care for dogs.I'm just a bit of a breed purist and love to see those old, albeit no longer useful, dog breeds :comfyblush:
(DIR) Post #ABCJ3wTW7NjQlIHXNo by graf@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:26:01.147587Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Badmann i came to this thread warned of 'pits' expecting anime girl (or cute 3dpd) girl pits. im disappointed
(DIR) Post #ABCJdGMq9PeOam081Y by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:32:24.416709Z
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@graf @Badmann Don't be disappointed, there's dog photos :sad_cat: Why would you need to spoiler armpits?
(DIR) Post #ABCJeqiWUNDzcOtpQW by graf@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:32:41.227891Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Badmann why would you need to spoiler 'cute dogs'
(DIR) Post #ABCJkQ1wcekkaXdi64 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:33:42.017586Z
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@graf @Badmann idk, I didn't start the spoilers :aaaaaa:
(DIR) Post #ABCK7H1wFbhlKrXDJg by mushroom_soup@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-09T21:37:49.279069Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Clarence_Oveur @DerSauerkraut @Terra_australis so there's a Petco next to my work and they occasionally bring in this big 2 year old pit bull and he's very cute and rolls around on the floor for tummy rubs. They brought him in today and it made me think of this post. I'm not making any generalizations about the dog just wanted to brag that I got to pet a good boy today :doge_a:
(DIR) Post #ABCKN5ulLXrFUgippR by Badmann@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:40:41.230002Z
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@graf @Tepid_Tapir For the customer.
(DIR) Post #ABCKcYJM3CkvuNb0AC by ItsSkyDragonz@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:37:45.007894Z
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@Tepid_Tapir
(DIR) Post #ABCLWVbjI1fnjvs9vE by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:53:35.782793Z
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@ItsSkyDragonz Yeah that's kinda what I was talking about with the per capita thing.IDK where they got that, but it appears pit bulls are more likely to make up most owned dogs. Kennel club registrations are woefully inaccurate because you don't need to register your dog and most people don't. Most kennel clubs do not recognize American Pit Bull Terrier for registration. And, you don't register mixed breeds, as most pits are not pure bred. Going off of shelter statistics is more accurate, it gives a good idea of what that area's population has. For example, Mexican border is over run with chihuahuas - that makes sense because they have chihuahuas running feral there. Japan has a lot of Shibas, makes sense because it's their most popular dog. The Southeast has a lot of hound dogs, because hunting is still big.To a lesser extent you can use rabies registrations - its harder because not all counties require registry and also not all people will register, but it more or less mirrors what we see in shelters.That being said, if we take that into account, pit bulls are actually pretty prevalent in the US. Depending on your definition of pit bull, it's up to about 50%, to possibly 70% if we're including breeds like prebred American Bulldogs, Dogo Argentinos, Canary Dogs etc and known mixes.Now as far as bites go, the stats I see obtain their information from one of two places - the CDC, or this one Jewish woman that runs a blog cite as a non-profit. Both get their information from news headlines. I know, again anecdotally, that the media will lie about a dog's breed for a better headline - it happened to me, I'm sure it happened elsewhere. It shouldn't be news that the media lies, and you should take everything from them at this point with a grain of salt.ALL that being said, I would love to sooner look at the owner than the breed. If pits are really all that dangerous, why hasn't there been a mass human extinction when so many retards own them? Other dog breeds over-represent themselves in bite statistics that actually make sense (large and stranger aggressive prone), so why are pits spotlighted? I just think there's a common denominator, but you're labeled as racist, misogynist, bigoted etc if you propose looking towards owners of these dogs that bite.
(DIR) Post #ABCLhjFotNhNFWyUOu by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:55:37.369447Z
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@mushroom_soup @Clarence_Oveur @DerSauerkraut @Terra_australis :aquaThumbsUp: I gloat all the time about the dogs and cats i get to pet.I once touched a Fila Brasileiro :chikasurprise:
(DIR) Post #ABCLlcm4vRhUJMv9do by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T21:56:19.565460Z
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@Badmann @graf what the FUCK is wrong with this poor dog :crying:
(DIR) Post #ABCMA1IzN8QhLHwmrA by King_Porgi@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:00:44.127502Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Badmann @graf It has a very bad case of the downs. Poor pupper.
(DIR) Post #ABCMDhWKsCZz8hwfJY by mooraycowhen@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:01:24.054792Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Great post! Any man scared of a pit bull is a bitch, although I do believe all large dogs must be controlled more tightly around women and children, who must in turn be trained to be more weary around these animals if they are encountered off leash or under the control of someone genetically unfit to care for larger breeds.
(DIR) Post #ABCMLKoRBX6j1p3IhM by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:02:46.768085Z
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@King_Porgi @Badmann @graf The only case of the downs that mongrel has is the need to be put downs š Annnnd now i feel bad. She's a lovely young lady, im sure.
(DIR) Post #ABCMbCTByEmxmsgECG by King_Porgi@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:05:38.889549Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Badmann @graf Don't feel bad friend. She'll never see our online jesting.*SneezesHuh?
(DIR) Post #ABCMg7KCWjp3HJor1k by Badmann@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:06:32.140496Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @King_Porgi @graf would you people stop talking like this? She goes out to play and demand belly rubs and you all assume she has a disorder?
(DIR) Post #ABCMu2WRBDOERBBJPk by ThreeOneThreeChris@freespeechextremist.com
2021-09-09T22:09:03.714351Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Pit bulls are four-legged niggers and the breed should be exterminated.
(DIR) Post #ABCN1UvvwiISa2fCIS by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:10:24.086751Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris What would you consider a pit bull? would a dog breed derived from pit bulls be included? or breeds known to be stranger aggressive be included?
(DIR) Post #ABCNo68Wvde1rcjIjw by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:19:10.920690Z
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@mooraycowhen Danke! I do feel the propaganda to fear pits is a bit of a plot. They may not be the best for modern pet life, but when it comes to war times you don't get better than a nice tenacious American Pit Bull Terrier. i think there's a reason the most liberal places seem to ban them.Basically the ADL hates it so I have to question why - they are a symbol of strength and determination, can't have that. I find it incredibly ironic a lot of the nazi types are the most anti pit when a lot of it is actually anti-white propaganda.
(DIR) Post #ABCOpbXTlDtjV5gJii by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:26:16.629537Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir Why are there less nigger attacks in Japan? They have fewer niggers and nigger dogs.
(DIR) Post #ABCPIN58ahFV3o8sE4 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:35:51.652368Z
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@HyperboreanWave @DerSauerkraut that doesn't explain really anything because they do have pit bulls in Japan and they don't have a pit bull biting problem like America. By your theory the pit bulls should over represent themselves in dog attacks, and they don't. And what about Akitas in Japan - there are more Akita attacks in America per capita than in Japan, despite Akitas being much more common in Japan.It wouldn't make sense if it's the dog, because Japan should have over representation in dog attacks with pits.
(DIR) Post #ABCPIlfTBGZVJRKEBk by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:32:11.015341Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Why not just have dog breeding licenses?
(DIR) Post #ABCPImDV8jnH0zFPEW by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:35:55.925630Z
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@HyperboreanWave @Tepid_Tapir most pitbull owners are either criminals, niggers or people who are incapable of following simple laws
(DIR) Post #ABCPOjCXGTH5OqdLSS by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:37:00.497286Z
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@HyperboreanWave that would be nigh impossible to enforce, even if I thought it was a good idea.
(DIR) Post #ABCQ14kPbVkDEFlSls by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:38:53.606166Z
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@Terra_australis @Tepid_Tapir So you put them all in jail for not having a breeding license, two birds with one stone!
(DIR) Post #ABCQ15LdN7WD5hBBmy by Terra_australis@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:43:56.297111Z
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@HyperboreanWave @Tepid_Tapir or you can fine them and euthanize each dog they own
(DIR) Post #ABCQU3MRq1JzKJNCPA by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:39:47.288112Z
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@Tepid_Tapir How so? I would also support mandatory chipping of dogs which has many benefits, that would make it pretty easy for the police to track down illegal breeding.
(DIR) Post #ABCQU3wbfaFF8SI4lU by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:49:10.309021Z
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@HyperboreanWave You'd have to find all the dogs and chip them, and then monitor people for breeding. That's like cameras in the home type of surveillance. Or having mandatory home inspections. Unless you had something else in mind.
(DIR) Post #ABCQZIkS3YdCUs6SRM by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:50:07.535136Z
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@Terra_australis @HyperboreanWave >mostWhat about the people that are none of those things?
(DIR) Post #ABCRMKvYk7pbRegFoO by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:54:33.100374Z
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@Tepid_Tapir What's the problem with findings all dogs and chipping them? You could have a task force for it, that when it sees a dog being walked that is not chipped gives a big fat fine.
(DIR) Post #ABCRMLRooBdT3hm15s by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:58:59.113437Z
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@HyperboreanWave >What's the problem with findings all dogs and chipping them?We can't even find all the dogs to get them off the streets. Or find all the dogs to get them their rabies vaccines, and we already have a task force for it called Animal Control. This would require a lot of surveillance, because the people you'd be looking for are not your law abiding citizens that are the 'hand in your guns' types. They will be the ones breeding dogs in their living room, never bringing them to a vet. Most people already don't walk their dogs.That's why I'm thinking you'd need regular mandated home checks, just like a dorm, where they go through your shit and make sure you don't have anything.I think chipping is good and all, but I don't see without an Orwellian style future that we can really control the actual breeding of domestic animals
(DIR) Post #ABCRW3MIuwvFqvp74q by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:55:15.933255Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @Terra_australis Outliers should not be the basis for policy.
(DIR) Post #ABCRW3rV2xsNPgQ1hY by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:00:44.565797Z
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@HyperboreanWave @Terra_australis The outliers are exactly the ones you're worried about with pit bulls, though. If every or even half of the 20 million pit bulls in america were as problematic as you believe them to be, we wouldn't have an urban sprawl lol
(DIR) Post #ABCRalt1J4ar6xNMbw by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:01:35.805475Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @HyperboreanWave No nigger corrupted dogs would be the more apt statement.
(DIR) Post #ABCRbWq8jbDSjdOE9A by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T22:56:30.617848Z
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@Tepid_Tapir There are so many benefits to that besides just human safety, you could have rules that people need to follow regarding neutering, vet visits and the like.
(DIR) Post #ABCRbXNSjhs4Oyyq5Q by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:01:43.884151Z
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@HyperboreanWave I agree microchipping and regular visits are good, I guess I'm just missing how one leads to the other, or how you would realistically enforce either?
(DIR) Post #ABCRgTKtBpdHJc86Yi by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:02:36.946920Z
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@DerSauerkraut @HyperboreanWave I'm trying to be PC, I guess I'm not too good at it. lol
(DIR) Post #ABCRnrrgOG03PwzlGC by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:02:41.013701Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @DerSauerkraut Niggers are breeding nigger dogs, while japs are breeding jap dogs.
(DIR) Post #ABCRnsPMN2wF6Okeki by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:03:57.518720Z
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@HyperboreanWave @DerSauerkraut You're gonna have to explain this a little more in depth. There are American Pit Bull Terriers, as well as a number of other American dogs, in Japan. And vice versa.
(DIR) Post #ABCRvXiFCRHTEWEwdM by ThreeOneThreeChris@freespeechextremist.com
2021-09-09T23:05:21.519508Z
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@Tepid_Tapir I donāt know of any specific breeds that are derived from pitbulls. I know that pitbulls were originally created by sick fucks in the UK who had dogs fight in pits so they could bet on them. They crossed English Bulldogs with Staffordshire Terriers and created an abomination with unnaturally strong jaws, unnaturaly high stamina, and an unnaturally aggressive disposition. They singled out those characteristics and selectiive bred them until thetypical example of the breed is a canine with a human capacity for murder. They kill on impulse and they derive pleasure from because they were bred that way. And no āpositive environmentā can remove that from their DNA.
(DIR) Post #ABCSOxnHJF62WKciiO by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:03:54.562958Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Each dog would have an id in the government's database, and you'd track if they were getting regular visits via the chip.
(DIR) Post #ABCSOyNn7UIsLZhscy by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:10:39.794373Z
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@HyperboreanWave Um.RFID chips aren't GPS tracking devices. If someone didn't do what they were supposed to, how the hell would you find them? What if they bred their dog illegally and gave off the puppies, would you require mandated home checks every 4 months? The microchip isnt going to tell you if the dog had puppies or is pregnant. how would you find the untracked puppies? Torture the owner?It kinda sounds like a high school pipe dream to me. When I was younger I wanted something similar to see overpopulation end. But I realized it was largely unattainable, on a large scale like America, without severe surveillance. The only way I'd see this happening is to scale up government workers a ton, and just have like a mandated home check every season. I personally wouldn't like it, but that's the only way I really see it working. In conjunction of course with microchipping. Unless you have a more cost effective idea. At least microchipping is pretty cheap, usually $40 a unit.
(DIR) Post #ABCSW7pQOod9fZ2hhg by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:11:57.616415Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @HyperboreanWave Ah I dislike having to speak PC lol
(DIR) Post #ABCUU1oM04baKufZLc by tester@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:28:39.622400Z
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@DerSauerkraut @mushroom_soup @Tepid_Tapir poor rural whites, generally speaking, are basically niggers. Anyone who romantacizes them has never lived among them.
(DIR) Post #ABCUaToWncPwvHpM9Y by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:35:09.409827Z
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@tester @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup I can happily say fuck you there. I see wiggers when I have to go into a big city. Rural folks are good folks so long as they aren't crack heads.
(DIR) Post #ABCVpQPfpGNgfntNIG by Myron_Gaines@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:30:59.065662Z
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@tester @DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup blocked
(DIR) Post #ABCWDvqSc7N56l6iR6 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:53:29.383526Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris Ok there's a lot to unpack here.>had dogs fight in pitsTrue>They crossed English Bulldogs with Staffordshire TerriersNot true. The first 'pit bull' were various bull dogs bred with terriers, and were called 'bull & terriers'. At this time, the idea of a breed was basically a dog's job, all that stuff about breed standards and shit isn't a concept yet. So you had dogs that baited bulls - bulldogs - mixed with dogs that were used to kill vermin - terriers. That created 'bull & terriers'. Later on, when breed clubs became popular and people began making standards for dog breeds, they standardized a fighting dog and named it the Bull Terrier as it was a mix of bull dog and terrier. The Bull Terrier is actually the OG dog fighting breed.An Irishman brought some bull terriers (not the breed) to America and touted them as all-purpose animals. I can't say for sure if he's behind the pit bull boom in America, but they were used for everything by everyone. These pit bulls eventually became the American Pit Bull Terrier. From there the AKC and British Kennel Club was born, and they allowed the American Pit Bull Terrier in their registry but only if they were not breeding for dog aggression/dog fighting, and to reflect that they would change the breed name to American Staffordshire Terrier. There was already a divide among APBT breeders with dog fighting, so many of them joined. Copy paste this to England with their pits, and replace American Staffie with Staff Bull Terrier, pretty much the same shit that happened.The English Bulldog didn't actually become a thing until around the late 1800's. The stud books on the English Bulldog are FUCKED, but what little evidence there is actually shows that the English Bulldog was at least partially created from pit bulls (not the breed yet just the occupation). The original bull dog used for bull baiting, was originally used by Butchers to keep the bulls from killing them when going into slaughter. That later became the bull dog used for bull baiting.The Staffordshire Terrier can refer to the American Staffordshire Terrier or the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Either way, both were created long after the crack down on dog fighting and the only reason they are even a breed is because fanciers denounced the dog fighting lineage and have been breeding pet dogs since the 30's. Obviously a kennel club would never accept a dog with a fighting background.>unnaturally strong jawsGlossing over your definition of unnatural, I will say that in studies we have of dog bite PSI (psi isn't a great way to determine strength but it's all we really have), 'pit bull' actually came in last out of the 3 dogs that were tested. I will say it was just some bully breed mix, not a pure bred. But rotties and GSDs came out on top :happyday: >unnaturaly high staminaI might be biased because I love the breed for that. I wouldn't necessarily call it unnatural - they do tire out eventually, it's not like some diesel powered machine. It's a living thing after all. I think you may be confusing stamina with tenacity; they will fight for you to their last breath. A border collie might be able to withstand more, but it will give up before it dies.>unnaturally aggressive dispositionThere are 3 main types of aggression, or drives really, we breed into dogs; prey, stranger, and dog. I say stranger, because we don't breed dogs that are aggressive to all people. That would mean we cant choose their mates, inspect and cull which ones we want, etc. They would be shagging who they wanted and culling each other, basically making feral landrace. That being said, your dogs that were used for pits are actually going to be very people friendly. There's a referee that needs to be in that pit, quite close to those dogs at times, and if he gets bit that is an automatic disqualification. That's not good for a dogman, especially if some important people flooded a lot of money into that fight. APBTs, and Bull Terriers ARE prone to dog aggression. They are not the only breeds prone to dog aggression, though - your livestock guardians are also likely prone to dog aggression, as well as some of your far east breeds, as they generally had to kill other stray, feral or wandering dogs.
(DIR) Post #ABCX5SIWgbJp6dkyps by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:03:09.967911Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris The vast majority of pit bulls are not selectively bred for anything, though, and if you don't continue to breed for a trait you'll find you quickly lose it. I like to use puggles as an example because most people have experience with a beagle and a puggle - have you checked out what a beagle does with the scent of a rabbit? It is on that trail like flies on shit, nose down tail up and wagging, barking incessantly. You see what a puggle does? Fuck all because it hasn't stopped begging for food. In just one shitty breeding decision, a trait dating back to the 5th century, fucking gone. I'm not saying the trait is totally gone forever - of course a puggle will be more nose driven, might be more prone to small animal aggression, etc. But that beagle, with no training, had a honed skill and could be used as a (albeit kinda cruddy) flush dog.I feel the majority of pits that arent purebred are this way too. I figure this, because 1) most of these dogs look NOTHING like a game dog and 2) when you pit a 'pet bull' against an untrained lineage pit, it is utterly fucked. Most of those gang bangers that feed their dog lead and shit, really only have a mutt that isn't socialized, and they call this lack of socialization a game dog aggression. The fact that I can train those dogs, while having no formal training myself, speaks that there is really very little effort or intelligence needed to have them be proper pups.Now there were 2 dogs i've met that were serious game dogs. A professional trained them, and we actually used them as helper dogs, ie dogs used to play with other dogs to determine if they were dog aggressive.>a canine with a human capacity for murderNow if they had the ability to hold a gun bred into their DNA, then that would be a problem lol>can remove that from their DNAAKCTUALLY technically all dogs have the ability to carry dog aggression. We didn't get dog aggression out of thin air; all the behaviors we have bred for once occurred in wolves. Herding? Circling a lone deer for hunting. Guarding? Protecting a pack. Flushing? A wolf hunting technique. So on and so forth. So you're right there, we can't remove wolf DNA from dogs. Not really relevant just thought it was an interesting fact
(DIR) Post #ABCXMgguQRPSfXNX7I by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:19:04.226347Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Anyone walking their dog in public could occasionally be asked to show their own id and their pet's RFID.
(DIR) Post #ABCXMhFeLHCOPHdHGa by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:06:16.869565Z
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@HyperboreanWave I mean, most good dog owners don't even walk their dogs nowadays. At least everyone not living in a city. And mexicans ime have a very different idea of keeping pets than americans. Basically, if you feed it occasionally it's yours. that's why mexican populated areas are so overcrowded with dogs; they are getting fed, but not being contained or getting fixed.a lot of mexicans don't even consider cats to be pets lol
(DIR) Post #ABCXMhYnC6VlMeaZ6W by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-09T23:21:56.257254Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Will also be a great deterrent to illegals, or at least make their lives more miserable, since they won't want to be caught by the dog cops.
(DIR) Post #ABCXd06k0Dn7WQEwF6 by bebe@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:09:13.422474Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Yes I remember actually looking into this a few years ago. The types of dogs which are counted as pitbulls are actually the most common type, more so even than even labs. I went back through many years of dog-inflicted fatalities, and not once were they the highest for per capita. So they appear to attack so often because there are a lot of them, not because they are inherently violent. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ABCXfQEjpJJd8f8RX6 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:09:39.974420Z
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@DerSauerkraut @HyperboreanWave I try not to piss people off where I can. especially with such a sensitive topic; on one hand you have people that say nigger every other word that hate pits with a passion. on the other, you have the pibble mommies who are blm activists.I just want to be logical about it, and doing so I think I piss off probably as many people as I possibly can on this subject.
(DIR) Post #ABCXiSqUaDDo6CFFTs by HyperboreanWave@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:08:50.721976Z
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@Tepid_Tapir So send in the dog cops in to the area and roll all the beaners up, and execute those that resist arrest. Again, two birds with one stone.
(DIR) Post #ABCXpVsjh1frXhei9I by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:11:29.349175Z
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@bebe You could fuck my mom in front of me then say 'thank you friend' and I'd still be tickled pink.
(DIR) Post #ABCXrjefSKPyq28QNc by bebe@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:11:53.539153Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Yes I would not do that as it is the sin. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ABCXs8kY9aygfW4yWG by graf@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:11:57.770992Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @bebe yes please do not fornicate outside of marriage as it is a sinthank you friend
(DIR) Post #ABCY18BlbohzXE64m0 by bebe@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:13:35.284947Z
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@graf @Tepid_Tapir Yes this is the good advice. Thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ABCZPYD6c3PR8xvnjk by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-10T00:29:11.939999Z
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@Tepid_Tapir @HyperboreanWave Yeah that's fair.
(DIR) Post #ABCpCafZkz3oGy5dNw by SneedsterSpeedster@clubcyberia.co
2021-09-09T19:14:11.035535Z
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@Tepid_Tapir No.
(DIR) Post #ABDILm33iY1Uq9nzEW by tester@poa.st
2021-09-10T08:15:23.505882Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup depends on the folks. There are good ones, sure. Maybe I was a little harsh, but I see rural whites get put on a pedastal by a lot of white nationalists. They are basically doing the same thing that faggoty leftists do with native americans. It's pretty retarded.
(DIR) Post #ABDILmg3NZDOn6380u by cirnog@poa.st
2021-09-10T08:52:44.981642Z
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@tester @DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup It's more that if we don't stick up for them then nobody else will. They may have problems but their our brothers and sisters.
(DIR) Post #ABDIjFrj1Y5RydhUi8 by tester@poa.st
2021-09-10T08:54:21.303470Z
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@cirnog @DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup most of them would have no problem seeing you eaten alive for racist internet comments if it meant that one less liberal would call them a racist.
(DIR) Post #ABDIjGNz5btJagnFzc by cirnog@poa.st
2021-09-10T08:56:59.661896Z
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@tester @DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup Living in fear of the enforcers of the ruling class isn't a problem unique to lower class whites.
(DIR) Post #ABDjggGb6dvVkiKbeS by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-10T13:59:03.929459Z
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@tester @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup I get real sick of the shit of southerners trope thats been the fashion for decades now, especially with this progressive hellhole tearind down monuments and history now. I don't see how you are equating native americans with southerners.
(DIR) Post #ABEM81QOLVKJRwNQcS by tester@poa.st
2021-09-10T09:07:33.719986Z
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@cirnog @DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup correct. I'm just tired of seeing brain dead HFCS sponges being given the noble savage treatment.
(DIR) Post #ABEQOYHcLWUloBPVTM by tester@poa.st
2021-09-10T21:35:06.060541Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup did I say southerners? I didn't.Suburban southerners are not the same as poor rural whites. The fact that your mind conflates the two says something about you. I'm talking about the rural whites that fill up a shopping cart weekly at the Dollar General. The type of people that, if you were to suggest that they eat healthier and get in shape, would tell you there's no way they're giving up soda, they "just like it too much". I've met people like this everywhere from Pennsylvania to Florida to Ohio out to California.It's a trend for sure.
(DIR) Post #ABEQOYrQCP8RbEA6HQ by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-10T21:57:36.263154Z
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@tester @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup Fair enough you didn't say southerners, not sure what poasts I mixed up. You are describing the People of Walmart crowd and yeah I do notice those kinds of but I wouldn't limit them to just living in rural areas.
(DIR) Post #ABEU8XL8U8R84AfuJk by tester@poa.st
2021-09-10T22:24:29.418817Z
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@DerSauerkraut @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup but the rural ones are overwhelmingly that. I just don't want people to be under the delusion that there is some based cadre of hyperborean supermen lying in wait in the rural areas. It's mostly filled with fat retards who will be proudly voting for the tranny that wants to keep the national anthem the same in 2028, not the crazy liberal one that wants to change it.
(DIR) Post #ABEU8XuENeVdp15w1I by DerSauerkraut@poa.st
2021-09-10T22:39:31.877308Z
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@tester @Tepid_Tapir @mushroom_soup >overwhelmingly thatstill can't say I'm made that observation.>cadre of hyperborean supermenyeah I don't see some massive band of rural folk rushing forward trying to save the day so to speak. It'd more so grabbing there guns and telling anybody fleeing into their areas to fuck of if anything.>voting proudly for the trannyas fucked up and likely as that is to happen you are dealing with standard lemming behavior there. You see that stupidity due to what Fox News feeds same as you see stupidity from what MSNBC and such feeds.
(DIR) Post #ABFzRuBR4KmU9ZoTlg by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-11T16:05:04.042269Z
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@Tepid_Tapir pitbulls are one of many methods that exist to protect Whites.
(DIR) Post #ABG05uHu6HWm3nufA0 by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-11T16:12:19.688719Z
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@andreas I'm curious to this approach, can you explain what you mean ?
(DIR) Post #ABG08vAxFu55gP6Fn6 by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-11T16:12:51.522891Z
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@Tepid_Tapir Self-defence.
(DIR) Post #ABG1X3AvGUzROg9d7Q by Tepid_Tapir@poa.st
2021-09-11T16:28:26.315548Z
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@andreas fair, but there are so many other breeds that could also be used as self defense. Why specifically the pit bull?Sorry if you weren't prepped for this like interrogation lol I just like to try to understand other people's pov
(DIR) Post #ABG1dVX4kKNp5DayBM by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-09-11T16:29:35.706409Z
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@Tepid_Tapir don't worry. I also think the feds got a bad experience with bred and if that is the case it is best to make them disconcerted.