Post AB9NwYb2WHTEfkxmYS by h4890@liberdon.com
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(DIR) Post #AB8HnS1UnPMqnReWXo by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-07T22:52:58Z
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Nazi encounters today and shitload of slave collaborators. 🤢 I smell civil war in EU SSR. Gonna get some airsoft gun that I can modify like Umarex hdr 50. Unless someone has better idea.That's only sort of thing I can get here without gov. permission + crossbow or bow should do it.
(DIR) Post #AB8SQkAiFiXnv2L3vE by phicyclist@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T00:52:05Z
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@akenoThe biggest air rifle possible can be a potent visual deterrent :)For greater impact against groups/individuals without needing precision aiming:https://www.sabrered.com/pepper-spray/sabre-pepper-gel-kit-practice-sprayCombine with a knife or metal baton to at least have a better chance of surviving.
(DIR) Post #AB8SXm2Hiirlj9kUJk by phicyclist@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T00:53:22Z
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@akenoThe biggest air rifle possible can be a potent visual deterrent :)One issue is that there are not many semi-auto ones. For greater impact against groups/individuals without needing precision aiming:https://www.sabrered.com/pepper-spray/sabre-pepper-gel-kit-practice-sprayCombine with a knife or metal baton to at least have a better chance of surviving.
(DIR) Post #AB91oBNal2VVMHH63c by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T07:28:31Z
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@akeno Airsoft gun? I would go for a cross bow. If you really want to do some damage. I guess the airsoft gun could be used as a psychological tool if someone does not know it is an airsoft gun.
(DIR) Post #AB9FnZKVclzIhvQzVg by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T10:05:16Z
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@phicyclist more like flame thrower for those demons so they can return back to hell. not much fan of chemicals and gestapo likes to dress in helmets from my money....
(DIR) Post #AB9Guyj5hPPzSF1sjQ by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T10:17:50Z
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@h4890 @phicyclist I wonder how this compares to real gun, the power can be increased easily here from 11J to 20J and here are steel slugs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXTvdxnun8
(DIR) Post #AB9Ill6XAwNCVcj5Dk by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T10:38:35Z
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@phicyclist more like flame thrower for those demons so they can return back to hell. not much fan of chemicals and gestapo likes to dress in helmets for my stolen money....
(DIR) Post #AB9KOP0xL5btFK6jr6 by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T10:56:45Z
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@phicyclist more like flame thrower for those demons so they can return back to hell. usually not much fan of chemicals and gestapo likes to dress in helmets for my stolen money but the gel is a great idea. I intend to undress the fuckers anyway and handcuff them if possible, they carry our armor.
(DIR) Post #AB9NwRzx3GEqCzZ4ue by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T11:36:31Z
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@akeno @phicyclist That's easy! Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_handgun_and_rifle_cartridgesIf we take one of the smallest rifle calibers for instance, .22 Long Rifle, you see that it has 137 ft lbs of energy. That translates to about 186 J. So if you up the power of the air gun to 18 J, this rifle is about 10x "stronger". I would not recommend 18 J for any serious self defense use. If you look at a crossbow, those are strong enough to take down moose, elk, deer and humans. In addition, they (...)
(DIR) Post #AB9NwYb2WHTEfkxmYS by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T11:36:31Z
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@akeno @phicyclist come with broadhead tips, which causes more bleeding. J to ft lbs converter is here: www.convertunits.com/from/joules/to/foot+poundsEnjoy the calculation and comparison! =)
(DIR) Post #AB9OUPWgkUBAO64Rge by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T11:42:40Z
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@h4890 @phicyclist Oh thanks. I probably start with crossbow first. but did you see this ?🤣 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHyZ9wgBuawhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U7TRDFjnFM
(DIR) Post #AB9ZWupWQqktY8HEYK by phicyclist@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T13:46:22Z
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@akenoRemain blameless. If you step outside of legality, you give them the win by default.By staying entirely within legal bounds, you can endure anything they throw at you and win in the end.
(DIR) Post #AB9ZcwQzNdM6GLfvEm by phicyclist@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T13:47:28Z
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@h4890 @akenoAnother vote for crossbow here. I prefer the silent method. However, they're dog slow.
(DIR) Post #AB9e90A1SdAWu3HYWG by gat@mu.zaitcev.nu
2021-09-08T14:38:06.092505Z
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@phicyclist @h4890 @akeno The value of a crossbow is that allows to score hits without dedicating one's life to training. In that regard, I think, Instant Legolas makes crossbow unnecessary and is superior otherwise. It is repeating and crossbow is not. Of course crossbow is still far more powerful, in case you have to hunt moose or something. This can be traded further, but for SHTF situation in EU, my vote is for Instant Legolas.
(DIR) Post #AB9eKDlHEWvSGr3cZs by dubh@husk.site
2021-09-08T14:40:08.289548Z
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@akeno Would a 3d printed gun be more effective than a modified pellet rifle?
(DIR) Post #AB9ejJWAy5OVMbxX4C by gat@mu.zaitcev.nu
2021-09-08T14:44:40.284966Z
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@akeno The choice depends on what you want.If you want the most practical, reliable, and usable gun for without-rule-of-law SHTF, you are probably best off with FGC-9 with kitchen-made ECM barrel. It is designed by Europeans and suited for that environment the best. Its downside is, it requires standard 9mm Luger ammunition, but if you can live with that, it crushes all the airsoft mods because it works and will not explode and kill you (it needs an airsoft trigger pack though).If discovery is concern until the onset of SHTF, get Instant Legolas or something like that, then use it like Liberator to trade it for a factory gun.
(DIR) Post #AB9fqSAnHqYEBjvUQK by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T14:57:09Z
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@dubh thought of that but it looks like ammunition is even bigger problem to get without papers.
(DIR) Post #AB9fwoTBIlMp4rYjmi by dubh@husk.site
2021-09-08T14:58:19.252151Z
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@akeno That’s rather unfortunate. Best of luck improvising.
(DIR) Post #AB9jniBFiO3amZ5ZGC by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T15:41:27Z
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@phicyclist @h4890 arrows seem really expensive though, I am not the comics Arrow 😂
(DIR) Post #AB9lLodyI7AWcyLdCa by prep@rebelbase.site
2021-09-08T15:38:29.750895Z
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@akeno @h4890 @phicyclist We have to get you to #Texas Exosome!
(DIR) Post #AB9lLpAEMAyOF1ROU4 by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T15:58:49Z
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@prep @h4890 @phicyclist oh I would love to, maybe one day when texas is free, hopefully soon 🙂
(DIR) Post #AB9vK0x0YuDtlA228O by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T17:50:33Z
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@akeno @phicyclist Oh yes, there are definitely some powerful airguns out there. But the annoying thing with those, as I understand it, is that either you have to fill them yourself, pumping manually for ages, or you need a lot of extra equipment to fill your own air tanks to a high enough level of pressure. With regular bullets, you are dependent on cases and gun powder which has its own disadvantages. So no ideal solution either way if you are preparing for a disaster and you don't (...)
(DIR) Post #AB9vK7vUcwAdOUNQFE by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T17:50:33Z
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@akeno @phicyclist want to store years and years worth of ammunition or spare parts for loading filling your air tanks.
(DIR) Post #AB9vTUZxm3AWFxlvqi by yourhero@traboone.com
2021-09-08T13:25:34.931779Z
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@h4890 @akeno @phicyclist 22 LR can still be pretty damn effective. Personally I consider 9mm to be the bare minimum for self-defense, but definitely prefer 45 ACP for its versatility against criminals and wildlife. Whether it is an air gun, crossbow, or a sling shot. It really comes down to accuracy and shot placement. 18 J to the adams apple, or an eye socket can definitely be effective in stopping a human from attacking you immediately. However against wildlife it's going to be slightly more difficult, but not impossible to accomplish.
(DIR) Post #AB9vToNa9n9HfM8KKO by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T17:52:16Z
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@yourhero @akeno @phicyclist True. But I'd rather not rely on my aiming and fine motor skills when the adrenalin is pumping, if possible. I think there is an old proverb in the US that says that a shotgun is the best home self defense gun. ;)
(DIR) Post #AB9vat3DBehUBIyl1c by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T17:53:37Z
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@phicyclist @akeno Yes, you better hit the first time. I guess you could improve your chances a bit with this double crossbow, but still, that is only 2 chances. https://www.thehuntingnews.com/new-double-shot-crossbow-by-excalibur/
(DIR) Post #AB9vmDcF4Dpz9Ele5Y by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T17:55:39Z
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@h4890 @phicyclist definitely 100% with you on that fren sent me the video I told him the same. just interesting hobby I would say. Imagine fighting nazis carrying co2 bomb with you 🤣
(DIR) Post #AB9wKPACdh4koBxBiK by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T18:01:50Z
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@akeno @phicyclist But remember, with a bow or a crossbow you can reuse the arrows. So you just need 5 or 10 or so to start with, and those you can reuse for quite some time depending on where and how you practice. I think the arrows I bought for my bow where 5 or 6 EUR a piece with field tips. If you enjoy it, it's probably not too hard to learn to make your own arrows as well. That can be quite an artistic activity as well. =)
(DIR) Post #AB9wwakY0hZtkMA8UC by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T18:08:44Z
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@h4890 @phicyclist I do. You mean like I shoot one nazi and then I say "time out" to gestapo and and come over to pull the arrow out of his head and we continue? 😂 It's interesting picture, but I would rather drawn them or something blood-less anyway. Hopefully the satanic vaxx semen does it's job in time that this isn't necessary.
(DIR) Post #AB9zg5APxxwR1X5Aga by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T18:39:22Z
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@akeno @phicyclist Well, you will get strong from carrying all that! ;)
(DIR) Post #AB9zt2mS9OUjO23NxI by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T18:41:42Z
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@akeno @phicyclist Well, it doesn't have to be all about fighting nazis. It's a fun hobby, you can compete and you can hunt as well! =)
(DIR) Post #ABA2893JJWD15gGcXg by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-08T19:06:52.495152Z
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@h4890 @akeno @phicyclist I watch that show 'Alone' where they drop 10 ppl in a forest and see which one survives the longest. They lose arrows all the time. You really can only count on getting them back if you hit what you were aiming at.
(DIR) Post #ABA6uJ5JiUC1vEQUxE by yourhero@traboone.com
2021-09-08T19:25:32.780882Z
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@h4890 @akeno @phicyclist Shotguns are definitely good for home defense if you are up against one attacker. There are near endless options for shotgun rounds that will not over-penetrate through walls. However, if you are facing multiple attackers invading your home. Then you better have a semi-automatic high capacity magazine fed shotgun, or you're potentially in big trouble. Most traditional shotguns have a much lower round capacity, increased recoil on follow up shots (depending on the round being used), and take significantly longer to reload. Overall when it comes to the best home defense gun I believe an AR-15 with a 7.5-10.5 inch barrel, 40 round magazine, and chambered in 300 blackout packing sub-sonic rounds are ideal for home defense. Whether you are facing one home invader, or a dozen you are prepared. You also won't have a case of tinnitus after you're done unleashing 2A justice to protect your family too.
(DIR) Post #ABA6uJZRuSIPQgWYvA by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:00:21Z
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@yourhero @h4890 @phicyclist Yeah, I am definitely not going to buy a baby toy airsoft gun after your post 😀 thanks for tips 😉
(DIR) Post #ABA6za5HwLT45pvaoC by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:01:20Z
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@yourhero @h4890 @phicyclist Yeah, I am definitely not going to buy a baby toy airsoft gun after your post 😀 thanks for tips guys 😉
(DIR) Post #ABAA1uPXdXLLZpCdPc by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:35:22Z
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@anonymoose @akeno @phicyclist Yes, sorry I was being unclear. That is actually what I meant when saying "depending on how and where you practice". If you practice on a range, you will be able to salvage most if not all your arrows. If you practice in the forrest, especially in the beginning, you will lose some. At least this is what happend to me when I started this summer. ;)
(DIR) Post #ABAAnLKxLOAMhGg04u by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:43:57Z
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@yourhero @akeno @phicyclist But around here, the self defense story for me starts to break down a bit. When you are saying an AR 15, and that it lets you defend against multiple attackers, I sometimes wonder where does one draw the line for home self defense? Imagine you have several attackers with AR15, or attackers with gas masks, throwing in tear gas? I don't doubt for a moment that an AR 15 might be better than a shotgun for the reasons and scenario you describe, but it can lead (...)
(DIR) Post #ABAAnNznSW1UwVne0u by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:43:57Z
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@yourhero @akeno @phicyclist to an ever escalating "scenario building". At the end of the day, I guess it depends on the level of force you are anticipating, in which country you live etc. So living in western europe, I imagine you would be perfectly fine with a shotgun or a crossbow, since it is so rare in sweden (to take my example) with having to defend your home with a gun. But, I am interested, where do you draw the line for home self defense and think "ok, if the attackers have (...)
(DIR) Post #ABAAnRCJYQoosCgBRQ by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:43:57Z
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@yourhero @akeno @phicyclist _this_ then I'll just run away"? No critique or offense intended, I'm just curious and delighted with the discussions, since the governments of most european countries have managed to make weapons taboo, so I never get to hear this reasoning from people who know way more about this than I do.
(DIR) Post #ABAAuW8xZ1yuEvUCf2 by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-08T20:45:14Z
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@akeno @yourhero @phicyclist You're welcome! =) Let me know if or what you choose in the end! =) At least in austria you can buy a crossbow. Crossbows requires a license in sweden. =( On the other hand, they can be bought in pieces or built very easily so it is not a huge barrier to be honest.
(DIR) Post #ABAEt90qTi8S1mI8R6 by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-08T21:29:49.772137Z
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@h4890 @yourhero @akeno @phicyclist >a shotgun is the best home defense gunhttps://youtu.be/JTD5i5q7-Lo?t=38
(DIR) Post #ABAIxQk0uCsFzEiYr2 by Laconicif@fedi.club
2021-09-08T22:15:25.268627Z
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@anonymooseDidn't some guy do this in Portland then got in trouble and blamed it on Biden's advice? @h4890 @akeno @phicyclist @yourhero
(DIR) Post #ABALFbmcn1gJM0jcFk by Laconicif@fedi.club
2021-09-08T22:41:07.210785Z
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@anonymooseBiden's Shotgun Advice Invoked as Defense by Man Arrested for Shooting Gun in Air'I did what Joe Biden told me to do,' says Washington state man.https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/07/19/bidens-shotgun-advice-invoked-as-defense-by-man-arrested-for-shooting-gun-in-air @akeno @h4890 @phicyclist @yourhero
(DIR) Post #ABB2Yy7lX4zEVJRxuC by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-09T06:46:25Z
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@anonymoose @akeno @phicyclist @yourhero Wonderful! I guess "thank you for the two shots in the air" the attacker said! ;)
(DIR) Post #ABDJLrr8E05Ko3pp9k by yourhero@traboone.com
2021-09-09T22:23:01.027997Z
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@h4890 @akeno @phicyclist It boils down to several factors. 1.) Who are you defending home against?2.) How many are you defending your home against?3.) At what point do you stand your ground, or choose to escape?4.) How prepared are you against multiple forms of home invasion?5.) Are you willing to sacrifice yourself to protect your family?Whether you are defending yourself against one attacker, or many. A team launching tear gas in through the windows, or a gang member with a hand gun. Both are going to try and submit you to their will. I choose the AR-15 as the logical Swiss Army Knife answer for most (not all) home invasion protection situations. It is simply a multi-tool that helps to ensure everyone's freedom from multiple attackers, thieves, and tyranny. Also I would not limit yourself to just having one firearm. I firmly believe that every household should have quick easy access to a bare minimum of 5-10+ firearms in multiple calibers and types at all times. Preferably ones that are best suited for each able bodied member of the household. Who is able to defend themselves and comprehends all of the rules for firearms safety. As well as practicing shooting regularly and receives professional training from experienced instructors too.You can be in situations where the odds are stacked against you. With a high capacity AR-15 nine times out of ten you are going to be the one stacking the odds against your opponent(s). At the very least you will be able to level the playing field a bit. Sure to some people who are not as knowledgeable and/or comfortable with firearms they may see an AR-15 as overkill. However, when your intent is to kill, or be killed. There isn't really such thing as overkill when the lives of you, your family, your pets, and your fellow community members are on the line.Every situation is going to be unique. If you plan for the unexpected then you are less likely to be surprised when shit hits the fan. You can't look at local statistics to determine the proper methods for self defense. You can live in the safest neighborhood in the world and still be the unlucky lottery winner of a gruesome home invasion. So choose to be the victor and never the victim. Have the best equipped toolbox filled with the most reliable and effective tools to protect yourself, your freedom, your family, and your community.
(DIR) Post #ABDRukf9lB1UGYNWjo by h4890@liberdon.com
2021-09-10T10:39:54Z
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@yourhero @akeno @phicyclist Wow, thank you very much for the in depth answer. Very interesting to hear your reasoning! =)