Post AB6C2BGwMyKb9Bb6Lg by emacsomancer@fsmi.social
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(DIR) Post #A9MA2Njx64LYD1E2GO by Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town
2021-07-16T18:32:15Z
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A "podcast" behind a paywall is not a podcast.A "podcast" that only one app can receive is not a podcast.A "podcast" without a public feed that can be freely pulled into any podcast client or RSS reader is not a damn podcast, don't let people get away with calling it that.
(DIR) Post #A9MCGl1zUxGePIe4wa by Ricardus@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-07-16T18:50:46Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly YES YES YES!!!!OMG YES!!!!With no publicly available feed it is not a podcast!Just posting a media file on a site is not a podcast!
(DIR) Post #A9MMbCNyb6jw76yEHA by m4iler@infosec.exchange
2021-07-16T22:08:30Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly Started discussing podcasts with $Company, and one of my points was "If you want to self-publish, good, BUT I WANT AN RSS FEED"I could not agree with your post more.
(DIR) Post #A9MuwF4DDkcAx5vpIm by vandys@mst.vsta.org
2021-07-17T04:33:19Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly All true, but also...A "podcast" is only a podcast if it can be found at podcastindex.org
(DIR) Post #A9N8EJ6EGWCU4jornE by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-07-17T07:02:16.322618Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly It annoys me when people make #YouTube videos and call them a podcast I think #JoeRogan accidentally contributed to that notion
(DIR) Post #A9NDMCa8sfs3wuOYDI by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2021-07-17T07:59:42Z
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@Rob_T_FireflyShun and blackhole them.
(DIR) Post #A9NWf42ujvCM6fYonQ by wolfie@deadinsi.de
2021-07-17T07:06:00Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly I'm mostly out of the loop on podcast culture as I can't do audio only content so don't pay much attention but isn't the only requirement that it is audio of people talking? I'm not sure why they can't charge for it or distribute it any way they want?
(DIR) Post #A9NWf4SRD1cBNpVCa0 by phel@toot.cafe
2021-07-17T09:54:11Z
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@wolfie @Rob_T_Firefly I can imagine podcasts with people just playing music as well - for me it's a podcast as long as my podcatchers can grab it, which is when they provide a RSS feed
(DIR) Post #A9NWf4wZOziYtHbGXw by Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town
2021-07-17T11:14:07Z
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@phel @wolfie This is correct. Podcasting isn't about what's in the content of the audio, it's about the way in which it's distributed. It's about the particular combination of downloadable audio files and openly-syndicated RSS feeds.It's like how there are a zillion ways to send text-based content around the Internet, but only one method using a certain category of software configured to automatically interoperate among users' devices in a particular manner can properly be called "email."
(DIR) Post #A9NWnuWHWmIlARW0eW by evenstay@todon.nl
2021-07-17T11:14:21Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly The thing that makes a podcast a podcast is using an iPod (NOT an iPhone!!) to listen to it
(DIR) Post #A9NlGUiLwtNGtEgZ16 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-07-17T14:19:37.421665Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly @phel @wolfie as far as i know, the word "podcast" originally came from iPod. did Apple ever have RSS feeds?
(DIR) Post #A9NmNQweSgLdBGFKgS by wolfie@deadinsi.de
2021-07-17T14:31:43Z
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@thor @Rob_T_Firefly @phel yeah that's what I thought too, I think they were just sold through iTunes?
(DIR) Post #A9NmRHN7zmwSeISpzk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-07-17T14:32:46.523602Z
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@wolfie @Rob_T_Firefly @phel right. wasn't RSS originally just for *blogs* rather than audio? but since it's a flexible format, it could accommodate podcasts too?
(DIR) Post #A9NmVvNRCSJXsep9Si by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-07-17T14:33:36.939919Z
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@wolfie @Rob_T_Firefly @phel i mean, i'm not saying this is what a podcast *should* be necessarily, but as i understand it, it definitely did not *originally* refer to audio distributed via RSS.
(DIR) Post #A9QBVedqJ9vb9ANwdU by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-07-18T18:23:02.867393Z
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@joeyh @wolfie @Rob_T_Firefly @phel my main point was about the origin of that word. as for RSS, while it got audio support before podcasts were introduced to iTunes by Apple, the podcast format didn't really take off until after Apple did that. the term "podcast" probably came into existence around that time. Wikipedia has more information about it.
(DIR) Post #A9R9oQigHvg8ijQvdg by jeena@toot.jeena.net
2021-07-19T05:38:49Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly I might agree with your second and third point, but a podcast behind a paywall is definitely a podcast, how else can we finally get rid of all the trackers and all the advertisement, etc. if we can't pay for quality content?Don't fall into the trap to think that surveillance capitalism is the only option!
(DIR) Post #A9RdTVcRsGAGSYSTmi by Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town
2021-07-19T11:11:07Z
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@jeena Speaking as a media-literacy educator and anti-advertising-industry activist and privacy advocate who makes non-commercial listener-supported radio as well as ad-free Creative-Commons-licensed podcasts and other artwork, I definitely agree that surveillance capitalism isn't the only option. šš
(DIR) Post #A9liSoP8wp3j67pJiq by deusfigendi@troet.cafe
2021-07-16T21:07:03Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly I disagree, a podcast may require payment and I'd wish there would be a standard interface for that so podcatchers could handle it.Currently we still need services like patreon for such constructs or massive manual work.But donations seem also to work somehow. I'm just not sure if that's good enough for everyone.
(DIR) Post #A9liSopNNI2iPU6Gbw by halcek@merveilles.town
2021-07-21T11:50:22Z
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@deusfigendi @Rob_T_Firefly I think there are some podcast hosts/clients that implement https://webmonetization.org, which at least, is a decentralized standard, for example: https://podlibre.org/castopod-supports-web-monetization/
(DIR) Post #A9liSpMhNOhK4pgsYC by halcek@merveilles.town
2021-07-21T13:35:02Z
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@deusfigendi @Rob_T_Firefly Another option could be for something like @Castopod (which also federates), WriteFreely (that also now supports WebMonetization), and @peertube to also implement https://interledger.org/rfcs/0027-interledger-protocol-4 in addition, in order to give people more options of how to give to creators...
(DIR) Post #AB63qUD1L174log0dU by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T21:07:14.441459Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly isn't podcast literally an apple term for ipod content lol
(DIR) Post #AB641ylM51dSiUDU0G by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-09-06T21:09:19.621003Z
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@icedquinn @Rob_T_Firefly It predates Apple; they didn't come up with it first. The very first podcast in history is likely The No Agenda show, which is why Adam Curry is known as "The Podfather" ... while not a programmer himself, it was people Adam knew way back in the day that added an audio attachment to RSS feeds, which Apple eventually created an XML schema for, leading to the modern podcast (via RSS) as we know it.
(DIR) Post #AB648L8Loo8bpu0PY0 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T21:10:27.812326Z
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@djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly is there a pre-apple source who actually called it a podcast
(DIR) Post #AB64E5y57J2wXQwkbY by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T21:11:29.754651Z
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@djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly wikipedia says it was coined in 2004 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/feb/12/broadcasting.digitalmedia
(DIR) Post #AB64LEt6LtHmEH1WqW by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-09-06T21:12:48.466867Z
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@icedquinn @Rob_T_Firefly Not sure. Most of that I heard from when Adam was on Joe Rogan over a year ago .. might have been the first time he was on Rogan.Rogan is kinda interesting because by the OP, it's no longer a podcast .. not really, since you can't pull it via RSS unless you use someone who's maintained a 3rd party feed .. and even then you have to have a DRM enabled browser to play any of them.
(DIR) Post #AB64VoUepFW5YQdGoy by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T21:14:41.755603Z
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@djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly other wikipedia source is the ippoder-dev mailing list I guess one could argue that this is simply an rss/server side issue, and that the āpodcasterā (yes, I like making up new words) should be responsible enough to offer a page of seperate feeds of old sodes by month/year/season/etc.
(DIR) Post #AB64WcdwN0eR5hMOES by jessica@mk.absturztau.be
2021-09-06T21:14:50.990Z
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@icedquinn@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town I know one of those paid radio services just opened up their service to phones at one point
(DIR) Post #AB64bGA7Nhv8obcdjU by meowski@fluf.club
2021-09-06T21:15:42.298100Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly it refers to apple ipods playing stuff in itunes. just call it a broadcast or something podcast is cringe
(DIR) Post #AB69dPv4Zfh5QXQuI4 by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-06T22:12:06.933905Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly NPR put a bunch of their shows up in real audio format for years before podcasts, I used to rip them and load them up on a windows mobile pocketPC. That was more like web syndication tho, I think of podcasts as a web-only media.
(DIR) Post #AB69sk8jg562U18ETo by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-09-06T22:14:52.076265Z
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@anonymoose @icedquinn @Rob_T_Firefly oh man, Real Media. That's a throwback. When I was in Seattle, I worked with a girl who worked on their A/V codecs in C++ back in the 90s. They're still around apparently.
(DIR) Post #AB6A6LC5DtfbAWBJEe by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2021-09-06T22:17:21.116580Z
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@djsumdog @anonymoose @Rob_T_Firefly @icedquinn RealMedia took over the net despite there being free and open codecs that were superior. How did that happen? I think Livestreaming Partnerships.
(DIR) Post #AB6ASgJ3PNBl1D5vt2 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T22:21:21.942775Z
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@se7en @djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose uh, what free and open codec was available in the 90s? DivX?
(DIR) Post #AB6BIY55Ecu8ZBIBbU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-09-06T22:30:45.500620Z
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@se7en @djsumdog @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @icedquinn > despite there being free and open codecs that were superior. back in the mid-90s? Were there??
(DIR) Post #AB6BheKT8pl9BUSRc0 by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-06T22:35:17.414779Z
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@jeffcliff @icedquinn @djsumdog @se7en @Rob_T_Firefly I think the only option at the time was .wav š¤ at least the only option normies like me knew about.
(DIR) Post #AB6Bi4z82HjRr7gHb6 by eTerrorist@poa.st
2021-09-06T22:35:21.930660Z
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@icedquinn @se7en @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @djsumdog man don't remind me. fucking divx! i dreaded spending tons of time downloading a movie... mozilla downloader because resuming downloads was absolutely required back then... only to realize i don't have a codec that supports it. download the right codec, install it for your player and... nothing. because apparently these open formats didn't have any standards that anyone followed.
(DIR) Post #AB6BjWegdyrBxmoEEK by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2021-09-06T22:35:38.320486Z
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@jeffcliff @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @djsumdog @icedquinn Besides .wav raw-audio, there was also Au (another form of Raw Audio I've seen on the archived Early-W3)
(DIR) Post #AB6BpECw9104UEY47k by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2021-09-06T22:36:40.155488Z
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@jeffcliff @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @djsumdog @icedquinn AIFF also existed
(DIR) Post #AB6BppkYYysSvDYwAC by Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town
2021-09-06T22:19:56Z
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@anonymoose @icedquinn@blob.cat My crowd at @HackerRadioShow was doing so as well. https://web.archive.org/web/19970402203803/http://www.2600.com/offthehook/
(DIR) Post #AB6BpqIwV8NodreOlE by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-06T22:36:45.807990Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly @HackerRadioShow yes, sorry I meant 'public radio' generally, not just NPR. PRI had some too.
(DIR) Post #AB6BqoOL6CLozydYVE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-09-06T22:36:57.081005Z
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@anonymoose @Rob_T_Firefly @djsumdog @icedquinn @se7en There were other formats iirc, but they were all proprietary and terrible and no one remembers them.
(DIR) Post #AB6BvJKQ1DzY6bwrcu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-09-06T22:37:44.288674Z
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@se7en @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @djsumdog @jeffcliff bruh those are uncompressed a wav of a song was a tenth of your hard drive in 91
(DIR) Post #AB6C1wlaIkvm9sorWy by Gargron@mastodon.social
2021-07-16T22:51:51Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly If it's got people talking in pre-recorded audio format, it's a podcast
(DIR) Post #AB6C2BGwMyKb9Bb6Lg by emacsomancer@fsmi.social
2021-07-17T00:09:07.338894Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly I agree. And I think right now the dominant meaning is "public feed audio", but there are lots of worrying signs that it's shifting.
(DIR) Post #AB6C4TR7o2qs3tSEwC by randynose@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T14:37:30Z
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@Rob_T_FireflyThat's just digital media. It's not a podcast.
(DIR) Post #AB6C4TtU6bXLTqit8q by randynose@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T14:38:08Z
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@Rob_T_FireflyThat's like calling a Pearl jam album a podcast, right?
(DIR) Post #AB6C8YkM0NYrgnOfXE by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-09-06T22:40:09.382725Z
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@eTerrorist @icedquinn @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @se7en Remember the codec pack?
(DIR) Post #AB6CAhXsGLbZYba532 by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-06T22:40:32.429920Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @se7en @Rob_T_Firefly @jeffcliff Thank goodness for zip drives š
(DIR) Post #AB6CCCYSSKKa1LZMMy by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-09-06T22:40:48.884010Z
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@anonymoose @icedquinn @Rob_T_Firefly @jeffcliff @se7en *click* *click* *click*
(DIR) Post #AB6CDXr6kHZANDvvSi by CumskinFoidPuncher69420@beefyboys.club
2021-09-06T22:41:03.464733Z
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@djsumdog @eTerrorist @Rob_T_Firefly @anonymoose @icedquinn @se7en Ah nice I remember Chiyo-chan from Azumanga Daioh giving me thumbs up every time I went to look at some vids
(DIR) Post #AB6CMIYR0KGpWYNBFA by anonymoose@fedi.club
2021-09-06T22:42:38.187628Z
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@djsumdog @icedquinn @se7en @Rob_T_Firefly @jeffcliff people complained about that, but mine never had problems. And when you're hhd was 90mb, 100mb zip disks were worth their weight in gold.
(DIR) Post #AB6EiKfa1JiMMbLjOK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-09-06T23:08:52Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly so a creator shouldnāt be paid for their time? Is a movie that isnāt free no longer a movie? Or an album that isnāt free no longer an album? All creators deserve to be compensated however they see fit for their creations.
(DIR) Post #AB6EqZlxkfRnWNGXmi by neo@mk.comfysnug.space
2021-09-06T23:10:30.528Z
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com @anonymoose@fedi.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town you had to have realplayer installed to install the apple music player on windows, that's probably the only reason most people know what it is to begin with
(DIR) Post #AB6F0rut9DfwgoLgH2 by Rob_T_Firefly@hackers.town
2021-09-06T22:25:55Z
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@meowski @icedquinn@blob.cat "Pod" is a sufficiently genericised term to no longer be an Apple thing, you can listen to a pod while scotch-taping your xeroxed bandaids. I'm in favor of not letting Apple claim any ownership over the word, especially since actual iPods are not really a thing in production anymore.Broadcast, on the other hand, refers to specific broad-spectrum radio and TV propagation methods (generally over-the-air in some fashion) which podcasts don't use.
(DIR) Post #AB6F0sSD9KKYM9wIDI by meowski@fluf.club
2021-09-06T23:12:22.291044Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly no
(DIR) Post #AB6UXETIK5grDnKecS by meowski@fluf.club
2021-09-07T02:06:18.512630Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/broadcast
(DIR) Post #AB6d8R6J87Nkjppb1s by greenprocyon@mastodon.social
2021-09-07T03:42:30Z
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@kev @Rob_T_Firefly just get dildo companies to sponsor you
(DIR) Post #AB73CgVwMY8EVbVVhY by alcinnz@floss.social
2021-09-07T08:34:35Z
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@kev @Rob_T_Firefly The gripe at top-of-thread is that "podcast" has a specific, technical definition. It's not right for e.g. Spotify to steal the name in order to monopolize the space. Just like broadcast TV had a technical definition. Or DVDs.If we can't enjoy the podcast in the podcatcher of our choice it's not a podcast.I'd probably loosen the paywall qualification a little... I do want creators to get paid!
(DIR) Post #AB7823IZoH3zl70QHg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-09-07T09:28:36Z
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@alcinnz every definition I've ever read for a podcast is that it's an audio or video file, usually in a series that can be downloaded.I've never read any "technical definition" about them needing to be free to qualify as a podcast.> If we can't enjoy the podcast in the podcatcher of our choice it's not a podcast.Agree there - I don't think there should be a monopoly on how we listen, but I disagree with the "they must be free" thing.@Rob_T_Firefly
(DIR) Post #AB7F62jmXOqor7a5FQ by arivigo@fosstodon.org
2021-09-07T10:47:48Z
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@kev @alcinnz @Rob_T_Firefly This is increasingly reminding me more and more to the RedLetterMedia vs. William Shatner "Boomer Fight," which included a discussion on what a podcast is š¤£https://youtu.be/pF28Zednl10
(DIR) Post #ABEgFipFNYNtAJx4hk by io@csdisaster.club
2021-07-16T19:27:19.140293Z
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@Rob_T_Firefly I dunno i feel like ppl should be allowed to charge for podcasts tho? you could also easily do a subscription RSS feed with a token in a query param
(DIR) Post #ACDE4sd0oPYHwXhJWy by person@fosstodon.org
2021-10-10T05:56:57Z
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@io @Rob_T_Firefly As long as their episodes are ad free they should be, yes.