Post AApNsWluJjXsPRPPWK by eris@disqordia.space
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(DIR) Post #AAn9mmY6xNnjvkOzcO by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:00:00Z
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Human rights mean a lot to me. I joined the Fediverse to make the world a nicer place. My efforts are pathetically small, but hopefully make at least a tiny difference.I used to recommend Lemmy very strongly, thought the people who develop it were nice folks interested in making the world better too. However, recent discussions with the developers has changed my mind completely.I am very suspicious about their motivations now.1/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9mn5mwAjvcC9t6u by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:13:07Z
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@feditips Thank you! I also shutdown my Lemmy instance a while ago because of their "view of thinking" that is implemented in the code..
(DIR) Post #AAn9moBqr7BT1I0FCS by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:00:42Z
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Lemmy's developers say "we are strictly against all forms of oppression (including genocide), and dont allow anything that promotes or supports oppression" and "We definitely are very staunchly against bigotry or persecution of minorities, and are strict about banning that".This is difficult to fully reconcile with what actually happens on the developers' own instance, and those they feature.2/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9mpjv5w1tpEwxwO by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:01:42Z
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The problem here isn't Lemmy's politics, but their attitude to threads about human rights violations.On the face of it, the developers' main Lemmy instance has lots of uncontroversial general interest threads, but when you start digging on controversial topics a worrying pattern emerges.The worrying posts are very reminiscent of the way certain churches have handled priest abuse claims: denial.3/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9mrQqnnxr4g2lUm by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:02:40Z
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There's threads denyng the oppression of Uyghur muslims (this oppression has been well documented by NGOs, for example: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/help-end-repression-uyghurs-china).Other posts deny that North Korea is oppressive.Meanwhile, another suggests celebrating Stalin's birthday as he was such a great guy.(Incidentally, I have receipts, DM me if you want to see them for yourself.)4/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9mt6iZd34GodiOO by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:03:35Z
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You get the picture.These posts were on the main Lemmy instance, as featured on the official Lemmy website.Over the past few days I have tried to engage with Lemmy about these posts in private, as I was sure it must be a misunderstanding.However, Lemmy said that "none of the posts you linked are against our rules", and refused to even discuss the actual issues because "this format is not conducive to political disagreements".5/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9muoiDXplZYEMbY by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:04:13Z
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I deeply regret ever having publicised Lemmy. I'm really sorry.Don't use Lemmy.For whatever my opinion is worth any more, I would now recommend that people cancel their donations to Lemmy, stay as far away from Lemmy as possible, and donate to another Fediverse project instead.I was wondering whether to stay quiet, but it seemed better to speak up and say something6/6
(DIR) Post #AAn9mwe9PmZfFNIxQ8 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:06:27Z
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p.s. I put the wrong link for Amnesty, the Uyghur report is here:https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/4137/2021/ug/
(DIR) Post #AAn9qR6IdzQyZE8UHg by novaburst@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:14:48Z
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@stux @feditips the funny thing (at least for myself) is that I can't compile it on my computer because of Rust
(DIR) Post #AAn9vwJtzxvmqA7fKS by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:15:48Z
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@novaburst @feditips It is very RUSTY indeed :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AAnCSe1lEMUrZUMMyG by khan@sleepy.cafe
2021-08-28T18:44:16.040143Z
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@feditips get a life
(DIR) Post #AAnChlmGhLRnx4KF3A by khan@sleepy.cafe
2021-08-28T18:47:00.210872Z
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@MischievousTomato @feditips imagine caring about literal meme races (Filipinos, Uighers, Kurds, etc.)
(DIR) Post #AAnCm7ZVbrfchgQreC by pernia@freecumextremist.com
2021-08-28T18:47:04.226059Z
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@feditips @justfedithings@shitposter.club
(DIR) Post #AAnCzJTmeH8FOo2qI4 by pernia@freecumextremist.com
2021-08-28T18:49:59.028152Z
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@MischievousTomato @feditips @khan >dice el peruANO
(DIR) Post #AAnCzb1jPJO7p13h44 by Xalef@shitposter.club
2021-08-28T18:50:13.734183Z
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@MischievousTomato @feditips yeah but you can't say nigger there either, that's the true oppression.
(DIR) Post #AAnDPQvlZEUs2QaYBE by pernia@freecumextremist.com
2021-08-28T18:54:42.247773Z
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@Xalef @feditips @MischievousTomato protip: opinions that require more than 1 post to make can and should be discarded
(DIR) Post #AAnDiwYuBfAfdvCNXM by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2021-08-28T18:57:40.617646Z
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@feditips I've heard of a fork called lenny?Never tried it tho.
(DIR) Post #AAnDpikRwdxipLpWqG by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-28T18:59:38.448207Z
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@feditips Oh my, you will really overlook the guys who are working to create a federated alternative to a major, data harvesting company for bad politics. Yes, they are total cucks. And extremely indoctrinated, to say the least. But their software still matters, as much as something can matter on the internet. Your sensitivity is preventing you from looking at the bigger picture, and is making you petty. Why would we ignore all the achievements of projects like Lemmy and Pleroma, because poa.st uses Pleroma? Total beta-male behavior. I dislike Lemmy as it's user experience is messy, bad, and the community is awful. And yet I have no problem on promoting the software, so maybe a sane person will consider using it. What a stupid and petty series of posts.
(DIR) Post #AAnDz6bMcyVbPi3UTw by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-28T19:01:20.327708Z
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@stux @feditips That is a great reason to not use Lemmy. ^^
(DIR) Post #AAnE1w0wRpwzRiMt96 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-28T19:01:51.084605Z
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@MischievousTomato @feditips It sucks. But his opinion does too.
(DIR) Post #AAnEFXmFMDgaKXz4Pw by pernia@freecumextremist.com
2021-08-28T19:04:07.726748Z
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@dhfir @feditips lenny got shot in the back of the head for raping a woman i'm pretty sure
(DIR) Post #AAnEMAvKiyABTkOd8q by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
2021-08-28T19:05:30.751952Z
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@feditips You people are actual fucking psychopaths. How do you even function walking out on the street knowing someone likes a different flavor of ice cream than you?
(DIR) Post #AAnEx0ovFe9ErGxlFQ by sergeantcat@mk.pusang-ina-mo.ooo
2021-08-28T19:12:09.839Z
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@meshy@stereophonic.space @feditips@mstdn.social Lemmy should never have been promoted in the first place. Unless something changed, they have hardcoded "naughty word" filters that, beyond being stupid just the face of it, causes a lot of issues with non-English languages.Lemmy didn't become trash because they didn't moderate something you disagree with. It was always trash because the people building it are trash.
(DIR) Post #AAnF2x8TraS5AUwZpA by RustyCrab@kiwifarms.cc
2021-08-28T19:13:13.763920Z
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@meshy @feditips part of me thinks that people like this are mega-corp shills sent in to sabotage any efforts to get FOSS off the ground. It's like we see in every other realm of life. They've made it so that the actual grassroots movements are so fractured and infinitely split into groups that hate each-other that they will never accomplish anything significant.
(DIR) Post #AAnFMnzVZZiIb9DIFE by graf@poa.st
2021-08-28T19:16:49.716214Z
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@stux @feditips shut the fuck up you actual luddite
(DIR) Post #AAnQgZfNdkUfSUQaZc by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-08-28T21:23:38.310323Z
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@feditips isn’t Lemmy made by doodz who think it’s a good idea to use hardcoded regexps to filter out bad words? :comfythinkglare:
(DIR) Post #AAnRDGxYDGR6zpWDoW by newt@stereophonic.space
2021-08-28T21:29:32.617799Z
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@feditips ah yes. It’s the same bunch of lobotomy victims.https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/crates/utils/src/utils.rs#L12Imagine being sensitive enough to ban using the word whore but at the same time being ok with mass genocides :comfypeeksweat:
(DIR) Post #AAnXhTOh8KgRz4006i by rosano@merveilles.town
2021-08-28T21:46:24Z
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@feditips you are suggesting to avoid the main instance or creating your own instance?
(DIR) Post #AAnXhU0Gsck1rba0g4 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T22:27:31Z
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@rosano I am suggesting avoiding the platform, as the platform developers are also the people who run the problematic instance (and they also promote another problematic instance on the "join lemmy" site).A fork run by new developers might be a possibility though? (I am not a dev though, so I do not know how viable this is.)
(DIR) Post #AAnXhUXasjOdWxAccK by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2021-08-28T22:42:12.169451Z
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@feditips @rosano I'm very much into free speech, I don't want to see people I agree with or people I disagree with silenced based solely on people agreeing or disagreeing on what's being said, because we lose the ability to seek truth by no longer being able to be wrong about things (or right about things people don't accept or realize)I'm very happy with lotide, a federated link aggregator that's very simple and straightforward. I've set up an instance and documented the things I did to set it up and customize it on their flagship instance at https://narwhal.cityI'm not a fan of the default css, but the entire site is straight html and css so it's straightforward to change to how you want it to look. I've set up my own instance at https://lotide.fbxl.net in one way, and another instance at https://hoot.goldandblack.xyz/ has further built on the CSS.Unlike lemmy, lotide already federates with other software. You can follow individuals or communities, and also make comments on posts using mastodon et. al.
(DIR) Post #AAndfXajAVES8a5aHw by werwolf@fosstodon.org
2021-08-28T23:49:06Z
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@feditips I mean, yeah, but Lemmy (the software) in itself is free software and even if it's creators are tankies I think that it's a great piece of software that anyone could use. Selfhost your own instance and block the main one.
(DIR) Post #AAnqrUrASe9yXCoI8u by huy_ngo@fosstodon.org
2021-08-29T02:04:42Z
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@sj_zero @rosano @feditips that's cool! Thanks for the recommendation. The default style is quite unusable on phone tho
(DIR) Post #AAnqrVTSAImiRwirom by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2021-08-29T02:16:56.816214Z
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@huy_ngo @rosano @feditips I know! When I created my version of the css, making it readable on phones was one of my big goals. I posted a copy in the lotide folder on narwhal.city
(DIR) Post #AAo1ExeqXmDO3usHFg by schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu
2021-08-28T21:20:26Z
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@meshy @feditips > beta-male> cucksokay, that's enough to know to judge your comment. Nice incel vocabulary you're using there.
(DIR) Post #AAo1Ey7unhT1W4TUYq by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:13:14.242418Z
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@schmittlauch @feditips Hahaha, I hang around better people, yeah. But you wouldn't be able to tell quality people even if they were pumping your throat.
(DIR) Post #AAo1K3iJSIkWIAvVWi by Awoo@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T04:14:10.551659Z
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@meshy >even if they were pumping your throat.hot @feditips @schmittlauch
(DIR) Post #AAo1NZNy9m0ZOD5L5E by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:14:48.437075Z
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@RustyCrab @feditips No idea.
(DIR) Post #AAo1SYzv1gxzdODVdQ by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-08-28T18:08:00Z
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@feditips links would be good though. These are serious matters, and as a person involved in keeping one strongly leftist/anarchist instance running, I need some source material to make figure things out for myself.Thanks.
(DIR) Post #AAo1SZWB5klrFRJGuu by Nudhul@shitposter.club
2021-08-29T04:15:42.569176Z
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@rysiek @feditips eww faggot
(DIR) Post #AAo1ZXCy4u5k6xe1x2 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:16:58.105822Z
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@rosano @feditips He is suggesting not using Lemmy at all. Stupid, I know.
(DIR) Post #AAo1hjbfrfhOsh6vzM by urien2@floss.social
2021-08-28T23:57:09Z
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@feditips But isn't the software itself apolitical, or well, unbiased ? I think it would be better to promote Lemmy instances that aren't like that. If I recall correctly, Gab is technically in the fediverse using mastodon (I may be wrong about this), but almost everyone have blocked them. I know what posts you're talking about btw, pretty bad posts
(DIR) Post #AAo1hk7vvjVGUkChGq by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:18:24.771810Z
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@urien2 @feditips Just promote the Lemmy project itself, and non of the instances. Such an over exaggeration. God.
(DIR) Post #AAo1kCGiGsqGLzTr3g by duy@mas.to
2021-08-29T03:06:14Z
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@feditips I remember I saw an active user was banned in lemmy.ml because he used a clown world vision meme as his avatar
(DIR) Post #AAo1rOKhoZ2bnWmLCa by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:20:11.357099Z
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@Awoo @feditips @schmittlauch I only let quality people be in my throat. :mhm:
(DIR) Post #AAo3dtrXzV3VRJpo36 by urien2@floss.social
2021-08-29T04:32:27Z
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@meshy @feditips to be honest, I don't think @feditips is exaggerating. It is a fair concern
(DIR) Post #AAo3duKGGk1YsNGjo0 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T04:40:09.450617Z
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@urien2 @feditips How is it a fair concern regarding the project? Will they implement Communism into the source code? Yes, the entire Lemmy community is quite awful (I think they did something similar, but it can be forked). But the project has potential. And it seems like they are the only people actively developing such a project. Pleroma is an amazing example (and project) for superior software (to Mastodon) that is simply overlooked by large amounts of people because of their users’ edginess. Not that I want most Mastodon and Lemmy folk using Pleroma, but my point stands.
(DIR) Post #AAoE3ne2jKszE5VTmK by Awoo@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T06:36:54.007996Z
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@meshy Then why am I not in your throat?@feditips @schmittlauch
(DIR) Post #AAoFAvQQIkepL067ay by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T06:49:23.641510Z
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@Awoo @feditips @schmittlauch Get fit and I will think about it.
(DIR) Post #AAoFMInVkB1Z0lK0xc by Awoo@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T06:51:26.816308Z
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@meshy I could probably lift you up with ease. @feditips @schmittlauch
(DIR) Post #AAoFTGA5wSBKrcCdV2 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T06:52:42.473225Z
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@Awoo @feditips @schmittlauch Yeah, but I'm a smol person. Doesn't count.
(DIR) Post #AAoFfnHkcCzB4MlDo8 by Awoo@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T06:54:58.407028Z
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@meshy Fair point but I imagine many on fedi would struggle. @feditips @schmittlauch
(DIR) Post #AAoIAJ5x6zogJyv4SG by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T07:22:52.973053Z
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@Awoo @feditips @schmittlauch Yes, but they would be able to do it. A lot, at least.
(DIR) Post #AAoLji96GVg40qxue8 by rosano@merveilles.town
2021-08-28T22:38:30Z
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@feditips ok i understand. i wondered about a gab-style campaign to defederate the main instance only.
(DIR) Post #AAoO3TygqntRlueSzg by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-28T23:03:26Z
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https://github.com/innereq/lenny
(DIR) Post #AAoQiYKVm6DD3BZOqG by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T08:54:45Z
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@meshy @urien2 The project is run by the same people as the problematic instance and the problematic "join lemmy" website.I no longer trust their moral compass, so I no longer trust their judgement on building a social media platform.
(DIR) Post #AAoQiZ4F24n9L0xv7Y by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T08:58:42.506537Z
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@feditips @urien2 That literally responds to non of my arguments. And ignores that the project is free and open source, meaning it's forkable.
(DIR) Post #AAoQmStzteODNK29ke by 9njT0dNsbv8Yr3nj7I.csolisr@social.azkware.net
2021-08-28T23:13:56Z
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@feditips So, is there any similar project alternative? Like, at least a distributed forum?
(DIR) Post #AAoQmTMiAtMGoNT5VY by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-29T08:09:26Z
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A fork of Lemmy exists.https://github.com/innereq/lenny
(DIR) Post #AAoQpObWKhkcuimyDg by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T08:57:36Z
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@jakob @csolisr That seems to just be a "free speech" fork, i.e. it's all about unfiltered slurs.
(DIR) Post #AAoQpP4wZJHqNyYT56 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T08:59:57.129960Z
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@feditips @jakob @csolisr Yep, exactly. Even the worst parts of Lemmy are removable.
(DIR) Post #AAocBHtt2MA1zO1MEi by txopi@mastodon.eus
2021-08-29T02:53:36Z
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@rysiek @feditips I'm sorry but I think you are mixing Lemmy the software and lemmy.ml the instance.On lemmy.ml discussions about communism like the three you mention happen. I reject them like you! Also other related to mainstream mindset (capitalism, neocolonialism...) that I see very enriching. Nowadays I don't participate on that concrete instance, but I use the softwares #Lemmy and #Lemmur everyday.
(DIR) Post #AAocBIQ96PxtbR77WC by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T08:51:04Z
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@txopi @rysiek As I said in the thread above, politics is not the issue. The issue is human rights.The threads I mentioned were denying well-documented mass oppression.The developers seem to think this denial is within the rules of their instance.Because of this, I don't trust the developers' judgement on moral issues any more (and morality is really important to anyone building a social media platform).
(DIR) Post #AAocBIpJaq68rUtDkW by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T11:07:08.101350Z
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@feditips @txopi @rysiek So basically politics. Okay. The issue would be human rights if the developers were the ones committing crimes against humanity, or directly supporting it. But they aren't. It's not even ongoing events.
(DIR) Post #AAocBJVr2g7qzQnC3U by txopi@mastodon.eus
2021-08-29T03:24:51Z
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@rysiek @feditips there are dozens of instances, the developers of Lemmy want you to create your instances and use the software as you want, because it's free software.I know many free software developers I don't agree (people that support wars for oil, very sexist men, who are happy to buy cheap clothes made by slaves...) but I still use those softwares. Probably you too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I run lemmy.eus with some friends because we think #Lemmy is a great software.
(DIR) Post #AAocBL8X0Meq1ftaym by txopi@mastodon.eus
2021-08-29T03:44:08Z
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@rysiek @feditips they are disgusting scientists, writers, software developers, painters, actors, athletes... Linux Torvalds and Richard Stallman have done things I strongly disagree. It was a free software developer that actually murdered his wife.I try to focus on what people creates, if the creation itself is good for the society I take that and push aside the rest. Why don't you try to criticise lemmy.ml's editorial line AND use/translate/support Lemmy?
(DIR) Post #AAocFA2iC3p8mFznJQ by SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T09:36:32Z
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@feditips We need to be mature enough to separate the "thing/art" from the author. I mean, I do not have any idea about they being bad ppl, but if they were, they are still making a good Reddit alternative. So if they're main instance has genocide-denial or whatever, we can just create another instance and be there. I do not see the need for do not using the software. P.S: I use Lemmy and I never noticed what are you saying, but I believe you.
(DIR) Post #AAocIvvibfGiAKWVto by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T11:08:33.310976Z
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@SrEstegosaurio @feditips >blindly trusts himOkay. But your point is good, basically mine.
(DIR) Post #AAoh0H3OLP7nws2C8G by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2021-08-29T12:01:10Z
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@feditips The developers federate with a communist instance too lol.
(DIR) Post #AAohEPwe5FpJZucgsK by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-29T12:03:42Z
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the .ml in the main instance stands for "marxismus, leninismus"... do you really wonder?us-american kommunists are the developers...
(DIR) Post #AAohLIpIwqfdWnTMDQ by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2021-08-29T12:04:59Z
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@jakob @feditips Is that what the domain stands for? The software is still good though tbh.
(DIR) Post #AAohehlKSfIAMprfXM by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2021-08-29T12:08:29Z
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@jakob @feditips All I can find about the .ml domain is that it is the country of Mali's top level domain.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ml
(DIR) Post #AAoscHrsrbowySyqQ4 by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T14:08:30Z
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p.p.s. Someone has pointed out that lemmy.ml (the official Lemmy instance) resolves to the same IP address as lemmygrad.ml (the instance that contains the most disturbing material).Lemmy.ml also federates with lemmygrad, and the devs advertise lemmygrad on their "join lemmy" site.Do the Lemmy developers themselves run the lemmygrad.ml site? (Its main logo is a tank, incidentally.)
(DIR) Post #AAoscIITGl5WIvQ4rQ by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T14:11:06Z
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@feditips Ah makes sense.. Lemmygrad is a nasty platform indeed, this makes the picture complete
(DIR) Post #AAotjgmgixQqEQdxE8 by roboneko@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T06:49:43.388568Z
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@RustyCrab @feditips Wait until they find out about the political views of the guy who poured the cement! :etna_shock:
(DIR) Post #AAovMpiFYv05AdnSRU by helix@layer8.space
2021-08-29T14:42:07Z
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@Zach777They're using it because dot.ml gives ml domains away for free.@jakob @feditips
(DIR) Post #AAovoAcruoppqnJasa by SrEstegosaurio@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T13:27:25Z
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@meshy @feditips I do not necessarily trust what they say, but if it was true, just create another instance and would be fine. I agree with you tho
(DIR) Post #AAowA0RKT47yd6KUsK by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T14:25:19Z
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@meshy @txopi @rysiek No, it's not politics.Torture is always wrong for exactly the same reasons, whether the torturer is far right, far left or somewhere in between.And these are very much ongoing eventsThe Uyghur are suffering right now, as are the North Koreans. Denying that they are being oppressed is making life easier for the people doing the oppressing.
(DIR) Post #AAowA0xwVoDQGFaXi4 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T14:51:01.452159Z
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@feditips @txopi @rysiek No body is taking them seriously besides a few uncontestably brain-dead morons. It will literally make no difference over their lives.
(DIR) Post #AApDK3kqhFYV1jq6s4 by roboneko@neckbeard.xyz
2021-08-29T18:01:56.798590Z
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@feditips @meshy @txopi @rysiek Denying that human rights abuses occurred is not itself a human rights abuse (though I do find it objectionable). Objecting to people saying something, on the other hand, is pretty much guaranteed to fall squarely into the realm of politics.That doesn't mean I disagree with you BTW. I think it's pretty shitty to deny that those abuses occurred. But it's still politics to go around arguing about the validity of such speech or trying to organize boycotts against pieces of software due to who the developers associate with.
(DIR) Post #AApDNzs34wIM8j5Iy8 by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-29T18:04:03.486439Z
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@roboneko @txopi @rysiek @feditips Yep, exactly. Every single one of his arguments fall short.
(DIR) Post #AApN5sLjIqYF8rxuzY by gmate8@mastodon.online
2021-08-29T19:52:42Z
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@stux @feditips I hate Lemmygrad and I hate when I see a Lemmygrad post
(DIR) Post #AApNsWluJjXsPRPPWK by eris@disqordia.space
2021-08-28T18:26:11.266023Z
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@feditips Ehhh. I'm not a tankie or a Stalinist - - and they do annoy me - - but you're basically saying they shouldn't be allowed their own space to have their own viewpoints as tankies. That would be far more restrictive than reddit itself is, wouldn't it? I feel like that would defeat the point
(DIR) Post #AApNsXHSQQmZzIAbhI by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:38:30Z
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@eris I am saying that if Lemmy's developers choose to allow these opinions on their instance, then their behaviour is (in my opinion) immoral and seems to be in conflict with their stated code of conduct.They claimed they "are strict about banning" persecution of minorities, yet they allow these threads. That doesn't seem right to me.
(DIR) Post #AApNsXomQXRBedlDdY by sigsegv@floss.social
2021-08-29T06:47:22Z
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@feditips @eris since you haven't shared the actual threads it's hard for me to see exactly what the problem is here. But do you mean that instance maintainers should censor all misinformation? Or just denial of genocide? How about denial of war crimes, clumate change denial (climate change is ruining lives too) , and anti vaccine propaganda?I think siliencing idiots is not a good solution, but Twitter/FB do 🙄
(DIR) Post #AApNsYR48C3vZNfnJQ by sigsegv@floss.social
2021-08-29T06:55:25Z
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@feditips @eris I see plenty of serious misinformation on Mastodon too. Rather than boycotting/blocking the instances/users, I think it's better to let these people argue with more intelligent people, so they can see how wrong they are.Of couse, posts *encouraging* discrimination/racism/etc should not be allowed. But not *misinformation*. Just look at Twitter and FB snd see how "well" they are doing that 😅
(DIR) Post #AApNsYwcEtId9EQzUO by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T08:33:15Z
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@sigsegv @eris I don't think engagement with bad faith actors is a good ideaWith engagement, deliberate toxicity just gets more exposure and a certain percentage of viewers will believe it. The more exposure, the more believers.That's why bad faith actors say things, they don't care about "winning" a debate, they care about getting more exposure and more followers.I would argue it's better to isolate toxic instances, as was done with Gab.
(DIR) Post #AAqXe2CIOABaEKRJMu by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-30T05:27:08Z
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What do you think about #Funkwhale then? @feditips
(DIR) Post #AAqXe2lkGMXg0H1cci by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-30T08:58:40Z
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@jakob I am not sure what you mean by that?
(DIR) Post #AAqXe3GaPhDDXvSFhA by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-30T09:24:25Z
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Look at the developers of funkwhale... ;-)
(DIR) Post #AAqXe3lQZ1sl5Zsslc by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-30T09:25:44.084775Z
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@jakob @feditips Why?
(DIR) Post #AAqa5Zmznot48mrmQS by jakob@friendica.schuerz.at
2021-08-30T09:28:46Z
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the develpers of lemmy are bad... @feditips says. so lemmy itself should not be used... there are intersections of active developers of lemmy and funkwhale... so... should funkwhale even not to be used, because the developers are bad also on funkwhale???
(DIR) Post #AAqa5aOZY6we1KRmzo by meshy@stereophonic.space
2021-08-30T09:53:06.830429Z
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@jakob @feditips Oh, what a stupid claim. Lemmy is a feferated and open source project. You can host Lemmy yourself, if you do not want to associate with the developers. Regarding the Funkwhale developers interacting with Lemmy developers: never have I ever heard something as petty as this. Their alleged interactions says nothing about their character and intent, unlike their words. There is no reason to not use Lemmy besides the bad UX/UI design, and filter lists, which can be removed and are removed by a fork. And there is nothing to suggest their politics affect the project in any way but a bit of infuriating sensitivity being pushed in. Feditips never responded to any of my arguments, and blocks all who disagree with him. I advise you to not take his sheltered, not-fully-thought-out opinions.
(DIR) Post #AAqdHLbydlwHVU17dw by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-08-30T10:27:19.087261Z
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@feditips Having a different view of current events is plusungood and must not be tolerated!
(DIR) Post #AAqdpHCtWU2FgySnei by testman@mstdn.social
2021-08-28T18:18:21Z
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@feditips I'm interested to hear, what are some solutions for this problem that you propose?I would argue that you should say "Don't use lemmy.ml" instead of "Don't use Lemmy", as it is theoretically possible to have an Lemmy instance that is completely free of the issues that you bring up.
(DIR) Post #AAqg2cWTmYAJTW7ArQ by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-08-30T10:58:08.106559Z
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@newt @feditips OP didn’t say that they were ok with mass genocides though. Just that they were ok with denying mass genocides. Very different.
(DIR) Post #AArleyWLNBrLrKmVNI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-08-30T23:37:20Z
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@rysiek It seems like @feditips hasn't distinguished between allowing political disagreements to be discussed on a platform, and making political statements as the devs of that platform. If the Lemmy devs were denying the CCP oppression of Uyghurs on official project channels, this call to avoid and defund the Lemmy software *might* be justified. Even then I it would be an overreaction IMHO, akin to destroying a village to save it from communism.
(DIR) Post #AArltxx3lsE2RDQSUi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2021-08-30T23:38:22Z
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@rysiek It seems like @feditips hasn't distinguished between allowing political disagreements to be discussed on a platform, and making political statements as the devs of that platform. If the Lemmy devs were denying the CCP oppression of Uyghurs on official project channels, this call to avoid and defund the Lemmy software *might* be justified. Even then I it would be an overreaction IMHO, akin to destroying a village to save it from communism.
(DIR) Post #AArq6SIPB3LZqBcXwm by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2021-08-31T00:27:17Z
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@helix I need to look into this for my own personal benefit now lol.
(DIR) Post #AAruE4ESvcnfLHfB3o by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-08-31T01:13:12Z
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@strypeyWe're exercising caution here.China are not the evil boogiemen, Be careful about using an interpretation of #geopolitics against grassroots movements.We don't need to look far to see how theWest have treated (destabilised, genocided and displaced, coerced) #Moslem people over decades. Yes #China is #tooBigTooExist.Look at the pudding, or the various leaks/lies over the years. While #DanielHale, #Assange and #whistleblowers are being destroyed, we can't talk.@rysiek @feditips
(DIR) Post #AWIM5d4REj1wokcyhs by feditips@mstdn.social
2021-08-29T15:12:21Z
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p.p.p.s. There was an older "reddit for the Fediverse" project called Prismo which had some working instances at one point.Perhaps someone could resurrect it, to provide an alternative to Lemmy?https://gitlab.com/prismosuite/prismo
(DIR) Post #AWIM5e2Ldyx7oYep5U by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-06-02T22:31:58.156316Z
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Lemmy is software. It’s like Mastodon. There’s nothing inherent to Lemmy that is by any means political.
(DIR) Post #AWIM5fPQXf0Y4QSlhQ by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-06-02T22:34:36Z
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@Erik I don't think tech is neutral.I am not comfortable about tech created by people who have a bad attitude towards human rights.
(DIR) Post #AWIM5g6fwrbQEYhJ6u by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-06-02T22:36:07.946340Z
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Tech in general isn’t neutral, but there’s nothing within the source code of Lemmy that endorses denying genocides. Like, I use Soapbox, but I’m not a TERF
(DIR) Post #AWIM5gsB6FbGbsvF9U by Kensortium@social.uden.ai
2023-06-02T22:39:47.637255Z
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Wow what a shame... and i was thinking to start an account there...-__-
(DIR) Post #AWIM5hWwegD4eJznhA by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-06-02T22:41:30.699075Z
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Well, you kinda have an account here lol
(DIR) Post #AWIM5iEY2Z5WpYOceu by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-06-02T22:42:10.960311Z
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Also: if you deny trans rights, you’ll get yeeted off this platform.
(DIR) Post #AWIzpXZBve8ZHRtZK4 by PVTejas@mstdn.social
2023-06-03T06:07:31Z
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@stux @feditips Did you... Agree with your own post?
(DIR) Post #AWUbv1fdMeKv5hVirY by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-08T20:36:12.479741Z
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@Erik @feditips Rust probably has a lot of LGBTQ sympathizing developers. Now as much as I do not like this community, the software they write is brilliant.I couldn’t care who wrote it. It doesnt matter because I am interacting with their SOFTWARE not with THEM.Good neighbors have tall walls. Maybe we stick to our own and just exchange what we mutually agree on then we would be fine. As Erik explained, it really isn’t all that deep and software is not political.I use so much GNU software but Stallman is a pedo and probably commie (edging on it), do I seethe. No, infact this is the first time I ever put two and two toghether in the last 5 years.
(DIR) Post #AWUc2fNy6RqeIAtJ8S by ricardoharvin@mstdn.social
2023-06-08T19:46:13Z
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@Erik @feditips 🙄Literally everything in the world is political.Everything.
(DIR) Post #AWUc2gHykCeR5t62RE by Erik@social.uden.ai
2023-06-08T20:07:31.443640Z
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https://social.uden.ai/@Erik/posts/AWILXFbVopK7nC0fzt
(DIR) Post #AWV2STFSRuhyzDsKi8 by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T01:22:35.010312Z
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@deavmi @Erik @feditips > Stallman is a pedoGetting your news from vice?
(DIR) Post #AWV2SUCeto3zwpZbzE by galena@paws.moe
2023-06-09T01:33:35.425131Z
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@colinsmatt11 @deavmi @Erik @feditips Stallman does genuinely have some really fucked up views on pedophilia (and bestiality too, and he's even pro necrophilia) but I think that's mostly just due to him having a really weird mental state in general, and having very, very theoretical and philosophical views on most issues that aren't really rooted in reality. If you've ever experienced what imageboard culture incorrectly refers to as "autism", he's practically an embodiment of that concept, in a way that's honestly similar to people like Chris Chan - his views are just fundamentally not rooted in reality, so he ends up having pretty bizarre and incomprehensible views that have some consistent internal logic but are still utterly divorced from any real world morals.that said it's hilarious that this person insists he is definitely a pedo but only "probably" a commie, when Stallman openly refers to himself as a commie and explicitly supports communism, but takes a "raping children is bad and i think sex with kids is gross but children can probably consent" take on pedophilia.
(DIR) Post #AWV2ZXko602KzHuYNs by PurpCat@boks.moe
2023-06-09T01:34:49.429710Z
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@deavmi @feditips @Erik you can always put your money where your mouth is and use bsd
(DIR) Post #AWV2cF8flLM67fMTGi by galena@paws.moe
2023-06-09T01:35:21.542031Z
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@colinsmatt11 @Erik @deavmi @feditips ngl stallman is one of the few people, if not the only person, who takes a "children can probably consent" stance that i genuinely believe is not a pedo himself. his entire worldview seems to be rooted in fantasy, and i question whether or not he even has a sex drive.
(DIR) Post #AWV3FiHTLbMJnZIYDI by shadowferret@the9thcircle.club
2023-06-09T01:42:26.697Z
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@feditips@mstdn.social there's a fork of Lemmy called Lenny. https://github.com/innereq/lennySo you could use that.
(DIR) Post #AWV3omUlfbkN0MErlQ by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T01:48:21.573982Z
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@galena @deavmi @feditips @Erik https://stallman.org/archives/2019-sep-dec.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong)https://stallmansupport.org/debunking-false-accusations-against-richard-stallman.html#pedophiliaDoes Dr Stallman has some unhinged views? Without doubt, but he also changes them when he understands what he thought was incorrect.If you believe that a person is incapable of change, I think you have other issues.
(DIR) Post #AWV3yx53AZ6WjK3jma by galena@paws.moe
2023-06-09T01:50:38.488868Z
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@colinsmatt11 @deavmi @feditips @Erik I actually didn't realize that he changed his views on this subject. That's honestly nice to see, because his views on stuff like this was one of the major reasons I have difficulty supporting him.
(DIR) Post #AWV46uOx0uxGjoA5kO by colinsmatt11@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T01:51:35.735682Z
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@galena @deavmi @feditips @Erik Stallsm had a girlfriend in the 1980s and he named his first prototype of his free kernel after her.They broke up and the name changed to Hurd eventually.Why they broke up? You gotta ask Dr stallman as I don't have any idea.
(DIR) Post #AWVQ7XmOnwi5rIpzBw by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T05:58:44.329519Z
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@galena @colinsmatt11 @feditips @Erik I never thought of comparing him to Chris Chan. Similar actually.
(DIR) Post #AWVQENnoIXlwwSl6G0 by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T05:59:58.301223Z
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@galena @colinsmatt11 @feditips @Erik I didn’t know he explicitly said he was a commie. It was more based on what I could read from an interview I recall.Wanting a world where all software is free software, sounds non-voluntary hence my assumption. I never knew he explicitly stated he was a commie.
(DIR) Post #AWVQMToBqqM7t0nUXo by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T06:01:25.981790Z
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@galena @colinsmatt11 @feditips @Erik It is a pedophilic viewAre yo saying however that he is so not lucid that he doesn’t even realise that? I doubt. Man would have to be retarded to not realize saying that implies he is a pedo.
(DIR) Post #AWVQPGEilhmGf6X6mG by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T06:01:56.472323Z
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@colinsmatt11 @galena @feditips @Erik Wasnt aware. Will read now, thanks.
(DIR) Post #AWW5nAgHAhw6VCwROq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-06-09T13:45:31Z
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For the record, this people are still linking to this embarrassing hellthread...@galena > Stallman openly refers to himself as a commie and explicitly supports communismNo, he doesn't. In countries with a functioning democracy and a news media that isn't entirely Pravda-for-corporations, he'd probably be called a "social democrat". In the linear model of political space, this sits to the left of a liberal, but to the right of a "left libertarian". @colinsmatt11 @deavmi @feditips @Erik
(DIR) Post #AWW7WE4tUKDY1WVJia by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T14:05:00.584721Z
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@feditips @galenaRead it now, happy to see a change of mind. Surprised he never read any stats though. It isn't new knowledge that child sex (rape) isn't good for them.But alas, happy he changed his mind.@colinsmatt11 @feditips @Erik
(DIR) Post #AWW7YU6UsKgYJ2KZea by deavmi@gleasonator.com
2023-06-09T14:05:25.590663Z
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@feditips @colinsmatt11I don't think he is incapable of change.I just didn't know his stance changed.@galena @feditips @Erik
(DIR) Post #AWhWBIgw6useoO8KNU by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-06-15T02:03:10Z
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@feditips fork, rename, be awesome.