Post AAU2isU4dfdbAc3uHw by virginiawolf@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AATFTFARdhKn8NnQIK by virginiawolf@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T03:42:23.443384Z
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Can somebody please explain to me why so called radfems are squeamish about separatists? I am not a separatist yet but I have all but respect for these brave women. Why are you denouncing women doing the most for the feminist cause? Isn't it amazing that there are women who are further in their protest? Shouldn't we thank them for taking a radical measure? Someone please explain why some rafems here are distancing themselves from seps?
(DIR) Post #AATRvO6TCySCPH7j2O by lezpaulguitars@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T06:00:30.309599Z
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@virginiawolf the animosity toward separatism comes from the same place as any resistance to positive change for women and hatred toward feminism, I think. But because its a position that calls for real action that can drastically effect someone's personal life and takes commitment, it gets demonized further. Women that don't commit to separatism sometimes feel that their relationships with men are being called into question and take it as a personal attack.Based off of conversations I've had I'd wager that there is a direct correlation between how much radfem literature someone reads and how they feel about separatism. A lot of the women that are weird about it don't seem to fully understand the concept is about women having the choice to not have men in their lives, for it to be an available option, and isn't necessarily a call for all women to avoid interaction with men in the present moment. For a lot of us, that's not even possible. The whole point is to make it possible. Separatism should not be a controversial topic in radical feminist circles.
(DIR) Post #AAU2irhrWv4al5VP8q by Babayaga@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:04:50.328907Z
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@virginiawolf How about you stop bitching about women and start focusing on the target.
(DIR) Post #AAU2isU4dfdbAc3uHw by virginiawolf@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:25:18.245960Z
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@Babayaga wow you are so vile. I have not been called a bitch for a while, and I am still on reddit, that is such a gendered slur. I am in shock right now. Getting called a bitch on a feminist platform can't make this up ya'll
(DIR) Post #AAU2it4aRuqQzr94CW by Frau_BerchDUH@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:44:10.675615Z
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@virginiawolf @Babayaga She didn't call you a b-, she said quit bitching. To address your original question: you're wondering why separatists don't get much traction without thinking about how deep family ties go. Most of us have male family members we care for. It's unhelpful to assume men are 100% evil and against women's rights, especially since we've achieved rights with the assistance of males. I'm not arguing that there are a shitload of awful men out there, but there are plenty who understand why we'd want separate spaces, etc. and don't have a problem leaving us alone or working with us. There is also the matter of male children, who deserve love and care. We understand the impulse to abandon men and make a purely female space, but for the vast majority of us this is impossible and even undesirable. We support your desire to separate, but we don't appreciate being trashed for not wanting to participate in separation.
(DIR) Post #AAU4nHlMnIl0dcNd0S by GalacticTurtle@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T12:04:57.679883Z
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@lezpaulguitars @virginiawolf Glad someone finally said it! I think it’s so rare that any women have the experience of being separate from men so the concept seems impossible/undesirable. But for me it’s all about the choice to be separate when you want to be. I spent the first 18 years of my life able to count the number of men I’d had any significant interaction with on one hand. The “texture” of my life before and after that period are jarringly different in ways women who have never experienced that think I’m lying about the past or overly sensitive about the present. Nevertheless I think it’s if a woman doesn’t want to live in the same building as a man she shouldn’t have to. I think if she doesn’t want male teachers or coaches she shouldn’t have to. I think if she doesn’t want a male dentist or physician she shouldn’t have to. I think if she doesn’t want males in her social/activity groups she shouldn’t have to. I think it would be great if there were a network of sorts that makes going that route easier be it for a few hours or the rest of your life. I also think many think of simply not being around men as some sort of glamorous utopia, elevating women as a sex to some ethereal standard. Or the opposite, scrunch up their face in disgust at something so simple as a summer camp for girls because “everyone would be so catty.” I think both are symptoms of not being able to grasp wider female humanity. But I’ve gone about navigating the world in very specific ways. The most important has been that there are no men in my home. And just asserting that boundary in that one sector of my life has made a world of difference but has also gotten me looked at like I have two heads.
(DIR) Post #AAU4nILAeBOgQf8DoW by Berco@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T12:40:06.460273Z
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@GalacticTurtle So important for women to have this conversation. I would be very happy if I never had another man in my life, if i could live totally separate from them. Also, as a single lesbian radical feminist parent of a daughter, I got her into as many all female spaces and places as possible, camp, college, etc. Once women experience an all women's group, i think they understand that they can develop their abilities and speak their true mind in ways not possible with men. Having all women's spaces/institutions etc. does not mean there is no conflict: being human means conflicting with others a lot. saying that women are "catty" etc. just doesn't compare with the arrogant, entitled oppression of men towards women. Men silence women, don't allow them to express themselves, bully them.@lezpaulguitars @virginiawolf
(DIR) Post #AAU4nIuyV42MDhsoca by grace_hawthorn@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T12:46:00.873979Z
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@Berco @GalacticTurtle @virginiawolf what i've found really interesting in services is that if you ask women if they want 'single-sex' services before they've ever used one, they have no feelings either way. after the experience though, it's a resounding hell, yes. The qualitative difference is impossible to describe and it's so felt when it happens. And no, it's not all luvvy and lovely, sometimes it's really difficult. What i would say though is that if we come at it with a feminist consciousness we learn how not to do the patriarchy's work for it, and become each others' allies. Working in women-only feminist services was absolutely transformative for me, in so many ways. And we learned together how to deal constructively with our anger, with conflicts, with understanding our own boundaries, with how to feminist together. I really loved it and it changed me in so many good and important ways.
(DIR) Post #AAmawv3UgmjmoPBBtA by lezpaulguitars@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:11:36.462768Z
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@Babayaga @virginiawolf she wasn't bitching, she was asking a good question...
(DIR) Post #AAmawvZ2nTyUOFwO48 by Babayaga@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:17:23.696975Z
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@lezpaulguitars @virginiawolf Be the change , dont criticise others for not providing you with the entertainment you are after.
(DIR) Post #AAmaww6imGug4hhHYe by virginiawolf@spinster.xyz
2021-08-19T05:39:11.561901Z
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@Babayaga @lezpaulguitars WTF are you talking about? You clearly don't know the difference between a question and criticism. Why did you have to comment on a post you clearly didn't even take time to read? Or were you just looking for an excuse to call another women "bitch". That vile gendered slur should not be used by any self respecting feminist. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT, STOP USING ANTIWOMAN SLURS