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(DIR) Post #AAQoSkTgeldgsDPreq by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-17T23:31:41Z
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So, I'm thinking of replacing NextCloud with something simpler, or more likely a couple of simpler systems. Also, my wife is not a fan.I analyzed what my family and I were using it for and it turns out it's overkill. Basically, we have 3 main use cases:* Storing family-wide shared, backed up archival files, but really only inside our home.* Storing Calendar & Contacts, which can also be local.* Texting, filesharing, and maybe video calls with relatives.Any suggestions on alternatives?
(DIR) Post #AAQqCY637cFNkTlMmm by deejoe@mastodon.technology
2021-08-17T23:51:09Z
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@urusan what pain points drive down the spouse acceptance factor?I've been thinking of standing up an instance scoped only to the house for the types of things you mention
(DIR) Post #AAQrUu4YFrGZ4XNW7s by lunch@cybre.space
2021-08-18T00:05:39Z
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@urusan is there nice frontends to syncthing (including android apps) that feel like nextcloud? because that would be nice
(DIR) Post #AAQyd1ITycXvTViBwO by blueberry@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T01:25:32Z
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@urusan - Syncthing/Seafile- Radicale- SignalJust ones off the top off my head. I’d definitely try more at https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
(DIR) Post #AAQyx7oTSaUJTYGKnI by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T01:29:13Z
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@deejoe I'm not entirely sure. However, there was an incident where her the app was syncing her phone with the server and was acting erratically. It turned out just fine, but I think that's the main thing that soured her to it.I also recently had issues uploading a bunch of files all at once as well as upgrade issues, which made me unhappy with it as well.
(DIR) Post #AAQz8nOHDTijbxZdTc by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T01:31:20Z
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@lunch I dunno for Linux, Mac, Android, etc. However, for Windows there's this:https://github.com/canton7/SyncTrayzor
(DIR) Post #AAR11udE5z2PwzPbMG by lunch@cybre.space
2021-08-18T01:52:29Z
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@urusan >windowsbig sad
(DIR) Post #AARCsxx9Zmen5yEW2K by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T04:05:09Z
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@lunch We have 2 legacy Windows computers (out of 7), so I know about this because Syncthing was the only somewhat reasonable option to keep supporting those machines and backup their files.
(DIR) Post #AARDDNG1CmO7MnmwZE by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T04:08:56Z
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@UncleAlbie Why unfederated?I guess since it's intended for relatives that makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AAREPYgGev1wE0RLU0 by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T04:22:25Z
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@blueberry Thanks for the list, that will help quite a lot.
(DIR) Post #AARXI8qcCohFCtSOga by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-08-18T07:53:59Z
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@urusan I didn't try it, but maybe #FreedomBox ..https://freedombox.org/
(DIR) Post #AARXgVQdtwjMBtvUTw by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T07:58:22Z
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@urusan @blueberry +1 from me for those three.
(DIR) Post #AARbzWhjmY61SyFP2O by lapor@toot.si
2021-08-18T08:46:36Z
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@urusan I use #yunohost with several apps on it. Nextcloud is one of it, but I'm also thinking in something not so heavy. For our use, Nextcloud is overkill. And for Lime2 as a server.
(DIR) Post #AARtKzOQ0r8bkB1zn6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T12:00:51Z
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@urusan Synology. Pricy, but just works.
(DIR) Post #AASHaf2vpIOeAnzEae by toroidalcore@hackers.town
2021-08-18T16:32:38Z
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@urusan Just to add about syncthing - I had an internal Nextcloud instance that I recently replaced with syncthing. What I do now is run it on each device I want to sync, including my NAS, as my normal user. Then, on my NAS, I have the synced directories appearing just as they do on my other devices. This makes backups a little more straightforward.I haven't really dug into how Nextcloud stores the files you upload to it, but that's all running as the user its web server runs as (or whatever else you set it to), and in its dedicated directory. You can backup the data directory, of course, but I find it easier to work with the data on disk as I normally would.I still have an Internet-facing Nextcloud install which I might replace with syncthing in the future, I'm just used to using the app on my phone. I just used it to automatically sync pictures and videos, and get them onto one of my computers.
(DIR) Post #AASTowKVYvl3HUmbWi by hanser@HoFra.rocks
2021-08-18T18:49:46Z
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@urusan * https://syncthing.net (you can limit it to be used in your LAN only)Offsite sync/backup is easily feasible with this as well.e.g. borg backup for the backup or a snapshotting ZFS* http://www.baikal-server.com/Can easily be self-hosted via docker.https://davx5.com on your mobile for syncing.* xmpp-server (e.g. https://prosody.im/) for texting, filesharing.https://conversations.im/ is a nice mobile client.https://jitsi.org/ for video calls.Hope this helps
(DIR) Post #AASZAYdsoPeFxPyOAa by MrDers@fosstodon.org
2021-08-18T19:49:43Z
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@urusan I've thought the same thing but my list of uses is less. The public links work well, but I could use Google Drive for that because it's a public thing. Otherwise it's for photo storage, which Syncthing works well for
(DIR) Post #AATTQTkkLwhMrNLsX2 by brie@venera.social
2021-08-19T06:18:25Z
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I'd use #SyncThing for files, #xmpp for communication (ejabberd, prosody for server; @snikket_im is OK an strives for simple setup, but for unnecessary complication of docker I have never used it). Not sure about cal/card, though; I use SOGo, but it may be overkill.
(DIR) Post #ACXpCqDs3K6ONAE3yS by jch@don.bitma.st
2021-10-20T04:27:05Z
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@urusan I don't understand why Nextcloud isn't sufficient. It does everything you want. Each service you want can be done with alternatives, but with increasing complexity when it comes to managing it. I wouldn't really call it overkill. Running Nextcloud on a computer in your house seems simple enough? Have you looked at YunoHost?
(DIR) Post #ACXqVpDS7U9qhre7ua by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-10-20T04:41:50Z
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@jch It's not that Nextcloud is insufficient, it can in fact do all these things.It's just that we don't need even a fraction of the features of Nextcloud and we have different priorities.For instance, when it comes to file sharing, we don't need all the access control stuff Nextcloud offers, and it can be simpler and more reliable to have a simple NFS share.One of the main things that made both my wife and I unhappy was reliability issues with uploading data to Nextcloud.
(DIR) Post #ACXr1myPzbnl1Br6eG by jch@don.bitma.st
2021-10-20T04:47:35Z
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@urusan Interesting. I use Nextcloud in the same capacity, and any unused plugins can be disabled and unneeded features ignored. However, the benefits of Nextcloud (the interfaces, phones, etc) for that versus NFS is just a different generation of technology with tradeoffs. You wouldn't use the filesystem permissions of an NFS share either. The reliability issue seems unrelated. Connectivity, filename issues? I combine NFS, UPnP, Nextcloud, LAN, Internet, etc.
(DIR) Post #ACXr7Xc60v4L7L9ov2 by jch@don.bitma.st
2021-10-20T04:48:40Z
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@urusan Interesting. I use Nextcloud in the same capacity, and any unused plugins can be disabled and unneeded features ignored. However, the benefits of Nextcloud (the interfaces, phones, etc) for that versus NFS is just a different generation of technology with tradeoffs. You wouldn't use the filesystem permissions of an NFS share either. The reliability issue seems unrelated. Connectivity, filename issues? I combine NFS, UPnP, Nextcloud, LAN, Internet, etc.
(DIR) Post #ACXrnRJpo69Dl2av9E by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-10-20T04:56:12Z
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@jch In my case, I tried to upload a large number of files through my browser and only about 95% of them made it into Nextcloud.I later pushed them to the server using ssh.In my wife's case, she used the phone app and while it seemingly smoothed over these reliability issues, it did so by constantly doing syncs until it worked.She was unhappy that the app was doing so much stuff in the background all the time to make sure everything worked right, and stopped trusting it.
(DIR) Post #ACXsGKHH47HSJkAfJI by jch@don.bitma.st
2021-10-20T05:01:24Z
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@urusan I see. Yeah, drag and drop or browser uploads can be difficult with lots of files. I've had similar issues with the desktop Nextcloud client with about 400GB of files, and most of the problems I've had with it have been due to invalid characters in filenames or directories, but once smoothed out and past initial large syncs it works well and reliably I find. When putting things in from elsewhere, there is a cronjob you can add to re-index the files that it doesn't yet know about.
(DIR) Post #ACXtzm5abqNTYhwP0y by urusan@fosstodon.org
2021-10-20T05:20:51Z
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@jch A cronjob? Interesting. Got any documentation on that?
(DIR) Post #ACY7H3NAtwIlURjgTA by jch@don.bitma.st
2021-10-20T07:49:35Z
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@urusan Not handy, but the command is just `sudo -u www-data php /var/www/nextcloud/occ files:scan --all` -- but you may need to massage it to suit your setup.