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(DIR) Post #AAL3KOqnoLTrdbOpNo by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T04:49:55Z
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I just need to copy and paste this every time someone on the fediverse posts anything about COVID.
(DIR) Post #AAL3l4fIy53squk05w by strawberryfieldsforever@koyu.space
2021-08-15T04:54:46Z
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@freemo 😂 :1000:One of those "sources" would be them prime-time news shows where the news guys bellow their guts out in a desperate attempt to pump up the channel ratings! 😁
(DIR) Post #AAL3pts4Wlw0p60v0S by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T04:55:37Z
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@strawberryfieldsforever lol getting your info from mainstream news is about as effective as doing calculus by chewing bubblegum
(DIR) Post #AAL3rHoUzoAzMv0HNQ by strawberryfieldsforever@koyu.space
2021-08-15T04:55:56Z
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@freemo 😝 😁
(DIR) Post #AAL6KeeLN18OV4NwEC by bluejay@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:23:38Z
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@freemo send that also to any person who claims to be a journalist #journalismisdeadI thinks fine for people to claim they researched it on a platform like fediverse, because no one claims to be a sherlock holmes here. Its practicallt ALL opinion and rapid emotion texting. It is NOT okay for "news" networks to spin and syndicate narratives that really have no investigative journalism associated with it. Mainstream media is the right arm of the liberal elites today.
(DIR) Post #AAL6SznQdEasOxbzfM by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:25:06Z
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@bluejay Then dont say you researched it, say you have no expertise or understanding, did no research, and just have an opinion pulled out of your ass. At least that I can respect more so than people pretending they researched things they obviously did not.
(DIR) Post #AAL6a1LVGjJtEbtqfg by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:26:20Z
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@bluejay And yes, I agree both conservative and liberal news is just as guilty of bad information. They are not reliable sources.
(DIR) Post #AAL6deLGjpp732WL2m by bluejay@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:27:01Z
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@freemo call it research, call it looking up, call it referencing. It doesnt matter. It would be a tall order to have every post be labeled with disclaimers since they're all opinion anyway.
(DIR) Post #AAL6ihcnxapUg48GKe by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:27:56Z
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@bluejay I wouldnt expect disclaimers. I just dont expect people to say they researched shit they clearly did not.. Just say you have an opinion you pulled out of your ass, what it is, and move on.
(DIR) Post #AAL6qIYV3GFJF6jyVs by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-08-15T05:28:47.339579Z
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@freemo @bluejay > did you read and write notes:blobcateyes: [looks at own notebook]:blobcatsweat: what if yes
(DIR) Post #AAL6sUBqlUw9uFBo5g by bluejay@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:29:47Z
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@freemo are all opinions originating from the rectal area? Lol. Mine aren't. I tend to source mine from the armpit region. Haha.
(DIR) Post #AAL6ugATCedrdLacoy by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T05:30:08Z
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@icedquinn If you did heavy research and understand the topic, by all means, say you researched it @bluejay
(DIR) Post #AALIZ4facjmShibtSa by Svantovit@shitposter.club
2021-08-15T07:40:44.992251Z
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@bluejay @freemo They're called op [special] eds.No. I'm not proud of that one.
(DIR) Post #AALMgXNUgZYvaIxal6 by modrobert@qoto.org
2021-08-15T08:26:53Z
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@freemo The last segment holds true for government and politicians as well.
(DIR) Post #AALO8c46x3ZEBVqTRI by modrobert@qoto.org
2021-08-15T08:43:02Z
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@freemo A glaring flaw of the pasted post, the author assumes "research" is about scrutiny of published articles and results rather than researching the actual virus in a lab.
(DIR) Post #AAMFKUiZOFEoRVJum8 by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:39:10Z
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@freemo god knows how people conducted their lives before peer review
(DIR) Post #AAMFPqGMiHwgiAg4uG by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:40:02Z
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@skells they believed in things like draining blood for the common cold and a lot of people died. Thankfully we have come a long way since that.
(DIR) Post #AAMFeXgm3NN1Rt2X32 by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:42:48Z
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@freemo indeed, a great deal of science was conducted against an uphill battle against public prejudice and vested intereststhankfully, on a long enough time scale, the truth tends to out
(DIR) Post #AAMFouZDqcOBIfS532 by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:44:41Z
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@freemo but yeah, not to put too fine a point on it, the experts are clearly not doing their jobs across the boardcritical thinking means critical thinking, not *necessarily* following the current academically accepted methodology of research to the exclusion of all else
(DIR) Post #AAMFun0QsAR9aSywzo by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:45:44Z
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@freemo https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/randomized-control-tests-doidge
(DIR) Post #AAMGD6KBmjdaiPxFrs by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:48:59Z
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@skells Thats not a criticism of peer review, that is a critisim of the conduct of those who participate in peer review.I can get 3 crackheads off the street to peer review something, doesnt mean it will improve the quality. Yet if i pick good critical thinkers for peer review it will. Its not a panacea it is only one part in what makes good science. But you cant do good science without it, not at a group level.
(DIR) Post #AAMGIkBR1CbBmcYCoa by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:50:00Z
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@skells Its similar to democracy. Simply having one doesnt garuntee a sound government unless the population that is voting make wise choices with their vote. But that hardly suggests a dictatorship is any better.
(DIR) Post #AAMGsgLOloPKIiLcfY by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:56:31Z
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@freemo I have no criticism of peer review, I disagree that people can't reason critically without it.If a democracy becomes corrupt/dysfunctional it's not rational to continue to put faith in the bad actors that have corrupted it.I don't understand anywhere near enough of the science to call the shots, but I've seen enough thumbs on the scales over the last year and a half to harbour deep distrust for those calling said shots.
(DIR) Post #AAMHAUP7tvMoTyaBkm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T18:59:45Z
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@skells People can reason just fine without peer review. You just cant make effective scientific headway without it. There will always be those who are so strongly influenced by bias that they twist objective facts and reality to their opinions. These people cant reason well on their own. There are others who can reason well on their own who are more critical of their own biases. Peer review, when done properly, simply helps expose this. No one in their right mind would object to a process where mutliple people review a work and publish any mistakes they find which can then be either read by the end consumer (reader) or is used in public debate to help improve the publication.I think its kinda obvious the importance of peer review and there is a reason we were killing people more than helping them before it became the norm in the medical community. Or that before becoming the norm flat-earth was a legitimate consideration.
(DIR) Post #AAMHQIL6WeRrhIEoXg by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T19:02:37Z
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@freemo To be clear my concerns are the peer review process with regard to vaccine risk/benefit analyses and repurposed drugs in the treatment of covid, particularly ivermectin.My contention is that political and financial interests are strongly influencing peer review in large and influential journals. I don't know this but enough evidence is being ignored for me to put good money on it.
(DIR) Post #AAMHm5cWUm7ecXmIl6 by travis@pleroma.xmanifesto.club
2021-08-15T19:06:36.182588Z
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@freemo @skells flat earth was never a popular belief thats a myth taught by US public schools to accent the story of Christopher Columbus
(DIR) Post #AAMI9y0oQywRySWb5s by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T19:10:53Z
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@freemo Once one suspects that this bias is present and pervasive it invalidates the view in the original post shared aboveParticularly when well respected experts in systematic meta-analysis have their recommendations ignored by the WHO for no apparent reason.See below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ju5v4TAaQ
(DIR) Post #AAMIAzIj7xhmGGOIGO by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T19:11:01Z
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@travis Not true. While it is true people knew and had shown th world to be round very early in history there were, in fact, flat earthers throughout history and many have tried to argue for it using various scientific methods. The record of those experiments up to the 1800s and even beyond shows that.@skells
(DIR) Post #AAMIJA7amV368Y53nU by travis@pleroma.xmanifesto.club
2021-08-15T19:12:34.720193Z
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@freemo @skells
(DIR) Post #AAMIJWK6Eg7qzi6MLY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T19:12:33Z
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@skells peer review is exactly how we identified ivermectin as a drug needing further consideration. The scientific community has handled it exactly as one would expect, it just takes time to approve new medications. But its hardly some conspiracy trying to suppress it, the peer review has shown it has some potential and has sparked further studies.
(DIR) Post #AAMIMuB9zrklqnXBZI by travis@pleroma.xmanifesto.club
2021-08-15T19:13:15.598240Z
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@freemo @skells key word popular, the belief that its flat is probably more popular now than at any other time in history.
(DIR) Post #AAMIdnJAnNGvSqKruy by skells@qoto.org
2021-08-15T19:16:16Z
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@freemo Yeah for the 3rd time don't have an issue with peer review, I have an issue with peer reviewed studies being ignored in emergency life or death situations in favour of pharma backed experimental drugs.It's no conspiracy, just business as usual killing people.As usual.
(DIR) Post #AAMNgHAXFE3QQRIXEu by bonifartius@qoto.org
2021-08-15T20:12:45Z
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@skells another article linked there is really nice: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/doidge-science-says-plague-journal@freemo
(DIR) Post #AAMRaNs7oFbLIH8I5o by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2021-08-15T20:56:28Z
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@freemo Or on almost any topic. Stupidity knows no bounds!
(DIR) Post #AAMRrXhcVrPOhoOvRI by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T20:59:33Z
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@pixelherodev True, but COVID conspiracy theories seem to be popular right now
(DIR) Post #AAMTvYwc2OQZcjSTEu by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2021-08-15T21:22:44Z
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@freemo They've been popular and will continue to be so.If you look for conspiracies, you can see them everywhere - because sense-data do not directly reflect the [axiomatically assumed] physical reality, and "conspiracy" really means "secret causality".Of course people look for underlying causes; our brains are hardwired to rely on induction because it works often enough to keep us alive. The issue is when you turn induction onto events which don't have a cause...
(DIR) Post #AAMUAxKhdyY1bi4BEm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T21:25:28Z
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@pixelherodev To be clear Conspiracy Theory means believing absurd things with no evidence and going out of your way to manipulate facts to make them seem like evidense but even a small amount of understanding disproves the assertions.
(DIR) Post #AAMV6AG4GDPCCUB3xY by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2021-08-15T21:35:48Z
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@freemo That's the issue with language; the same word means a hundred different things to a hundred different people, depending not just on publicly agreed connotations but on the implicit associations in memory...As I see it, a belief in a conspiracy is the sole constituent of a conspiracy theory. If a conspiracy theory cannot be conclusively disproved, it's still a conspiracy theory - and many of them are designed as such to render it impossible to prove them false.
(DIR) Post #AAMbkJO4Kzx1p1RlZo by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T22:50:16Z
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@pixelherodev Yes, but the name theory here directly implies a lack of evidence and being speculative. If there was evidence it would be an actual conspiracy.
(DIR) Post #AAMdnXpnHP2XPF5Hv6 by pixelherodev@fosstodon.org
2021-08-15T23:13:19Z
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@freemo See prior comment on word associations.> A theory is a rational type of abstract thinking about a phenomenon, or the results of such thinking.> A description of an event or system that is considered to be accurate.> A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts and correctly predicts new facts not previously observed, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed> a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc.So, yeah.
(DIR) Post #AAMf9XqvzYSFmvfjkW by freemo@qoto.org
2021-08-15T23:28:27Z
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@pixelherodev Except that isnt the definition being used in "conspiracy theory" This is the definition for theory being used: "an unproved assumption", that much is clear. Yes there is a version of the word theory that has a different definition, but that is not how it has been used in this phrase.
(DIR) Post #AASA4RsuWgXGPJzaS0 by Pat@qoto.org
2021-08-18T15:08:27Z
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@freemo @pixelherodev Oh wait... I think I have a conspiracy hypothesis...No, it was just a conspiracy conjecture.