Post AA5ybS0rtPURE71IcS by rein@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AA5qZok5cCkvVYskUq by ericphelps@mastodon.social
2021-08-07T20:20:19Z
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Imagine a government agency ordered Apple to include hashes of all documents they wanted to track into that kiddie porn database. Suddenly the government knows who's got that antivax meme JPG. Or tax protest DOC. Or an environmental report PDF.And it's just hashes! Apple won't know what they're tracking, so they can't say "no".Now tell me you honestly believe no government *ever* will take advantage of this invisible monitoring power.
(DIR) Post #AA5qZpCRulROvW9OhU by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2021-08-07T20:46:27.232729Z
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@ericphelps a fair point one I haven't thought of before.Worth noting, though that these are hashes.A changed letter here, a different shade there...Dodging it at least SEEMS like it should be trivial.
(DIR) Post #AA5ybS0rtPURE71IcS by rein@poa.st
2021-08-07T22:16:23.226057Z
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@dhfir @ericphelps It's not trivial. "Hashes" is a red herring. They're not talking about cryptographic hashes.It's a neural network based "hashing" method that is based on image content, it produces similar hashes for similar images, so it can detect variations.Scrambling the data slightly is pointless. On the other hand, it seems very easy to generate false positives, which makes it even worse.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Technical_Summary.pdf
(DIR) Post #AA62Fb6fnmAMsMZPlo by tagomago@mastodon.social
2021-08-07T21:03:23Z
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@ericphelps
(DIR) Post #AA6J5oDZtietrgiaKu by echo@sierra.fedi.live
2021-08-08T02:02:39.983478Z
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@ericphelps crApple done fucked up. They did it backwards. They should've said this was to combat "nazis," or "disinformation." After everyone supported and praised them for that, then they could slip in the porn stuff.
(DIR) Post #AA6clNHCM2TZbAweC8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-08-08T05:46:22.897958Z
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@ericphelps no its worse.they made a black box neural network that will scan images, hash them, and transmit the hashes.you are just supposed to assume its only looking for children because that's what they told you.neural networks are notoriously opaque and there is no way to tell just by looking at the blob what its actually looking for.
(DIR) Post #AA6qquFiZmccg7mhXc by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2021-08-08T08:23:46Z
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@ericphelps IOW, Apple introduced an Index of Forbidden Books?
(DIR) Post #AA6r9eWZHGXZOsbZ8C by Gargron@mastodon.social
2021-08-08T01:04:03Z
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@ericphelps This is one of the most succint explanations of why this is a worrying move that I've seen so far
(DIR) Post #AA6rNJxSXUK7fYhV8i by galaxis@mastodon.infra.de
2021-08-07T20:37:52Z
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@ericphelps To be fair, a dedicated government with the right kind of access to certain companies already would have that kind of capability trough malware monitoring / antivirus software that is on mostly every system today. As far as I know, Windows Defender will upload hashes of new files it finds when "Cloud-delivered protection" is on. As will Google Play Protect with the default settings.The difference is maybe that Apple is specifically not talking about malware here.
(DIR) Post #AA6rXzrfaP2cXJ5E1Y by ned@noagendasocial.com
2021-08-08T08:32:00Z
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@dhfir @ericphelps share editable documents, change a letter or 2 and re-save. Open memes in gimp to edit before saving.
(DIR) Post #AA6t1CFaiNgTInlAHY by feld@bikeshed.party
2021-08-08T08:48:29.866474Z
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@ericphelps Apple is already OCRing and identifying the content of your images and a government could force them to include identification of any specific content and flag the user. This would be much more dangerous and effective than the phashes
(DIR) Post #AA6yicqmC19i1TgGOG by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-08-08T09:52:23.023785Z
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@feldWhy there are people still using Apple....@ericphelps
(DIR) Post #AA7KifDZaVPAMElcBM by ericphelps@mastodon.social
2021-08-08T13:58:54Z
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@wolf480pl Let's be real. If the kiddie pic traders know Apple is watching images, they'll switch to sharing epubs. Or zips. Or docs with embedded pictures (maybe embeds that you double click to open?). Or... Any number of ways. So phase two will be to extend the search beyond pictures to include all sorts of things. There's no limit to the level of surveillance they can do in the name of child porn.The Chinese Communist Party will love this.
(DIR) Post #AA7WPz5IhPAtv8kzgm by feld@bikeshed.party
2021-08-08T16:10:00.452322Z
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@snow @ericphelps everything else is much much worse in quality and usability.
(DIR) Post #AA7Wdy736ojIxdF8Hg by thendrix@social.hendrixgames.com
2021-08-08T16:12:32.156228Z
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@ericphelps Not only that but they can find networks of people sharing those files. That's the most important part of their system.
(DIR) Post #AA7WxWEkSb2OIUAOYK by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-08-08T16:16:04.487165Z
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@feld I think high-end android + lineage OS would be better?@ericphelps
(DIR) Post #AA9kylL7a64D6MYReK by feld@bikeshed.party
2021-08-09T18:02:34.664806Z
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@snow @ericphelps for highly technical users? sure, i guess. but it's not ready for the masses.
(DIR) Post #AAAC5eRWJqumV83anA by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-08-09T23:06:19.764100Z
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@feldI think I am not a highly technical user... But I using it since long time ago.@ericphelps
(DIR) Post #AACLxdeSlTzLaWqfiK by zudlig@expired.mentality.rip
2021-08-11T00:04:35.617606Z
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@snow @feld @ericphelps It doesn't take any unusual level of expertise to use LineageOS. I'm not much of a sophisticated user of mobile phones and to me it's nothing more or less than Android without all the crappy bloatware.Installing it though, that's the hard part.
(DIR) Post #AACLxeAipXnDCZwQzo by feld@bikeshed.party
2021-08-11T00:06:21.423377Z
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@zudlig @ericphelps @snow when will they offer support for LineageOS users at the AT&T Store
(DIR) Post #AACM9WXt0jdl1YRKHg by snow@wintermute.fr.to
2021-08-11T00:08:29.380607Z
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@feld Compare with this, I am worrying more and more phones are locked and unable to install #LineageOS .@zudlig @ericphelps