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(DIR) Post #AA1OF9yftRupwDE3w8 by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:10:07Z
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Only ignorant and superstitious folks speak as I a vaccine came with an ironclad failsafe guarantee.Reduction of a risk is not tantamount to elimination of the same.
(DIR) Post #AA1OXVppMp1CwJq48m by Iamnata@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:13:27Z
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@Debradelai “No one knows how anything works anymore.” Thomas WictorCorrect Saul.
(DIR) Post #AA1OsMjqNnVgoBz2pM by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:17:13Z
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@Debradelai Add anyone who would boost their immune system with vitamins instead of a vaccine.And the new stupidity? Children have a .05% chance of dying from covid! Getting them the vaccine is child abuse!!I have no children, but if I did and they had a .0000001% chance of dying I'm getting them the vaccine.
(DIR) Post #AA1Ov9vWTMe5wVmJY8 by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:17:43Z
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@Debradelai
(DIR) Post #AA1POtFn1kw4v4R1Vo by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:23:05Z
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@watch4thedrop Yup.
(DIR) Post #AA1Q106c04eDAtJYm0 by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:29:59Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai having these morons as parents is child abuse.
(DIR) Post #AA1R8NhWlskuKsfGwS by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:42:31Z
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@Annabeth Fuck that stupid false dichotomy.If I was still running a business I'd make vaccination a condition of employment.If you compare that to abortion you are just too fucking deranged. Please do not tag me.
(DIR) Post #AA1RS1GLuEjSXJJlgW by FreakinChickenLittle@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T17:46:04Z
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That would be like believing that wearing a helmet alone will keep one safe from motorcycle accidents.
(DIR) Post #AA1VNWzitsOjJreftQ by WyoBob@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T18:30:05Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai Wondering if eradication of pediatric flu deaths changes your risk assessment? How about when compared to covid deaths since Jan 2020? Or maybe 7 9's was just hyperbole. Btw, i have two teenagers one vaxed and one not, leaving that for a future thread. Im not to be lumped in with 'child abuse' and other superstitious non vaxers.
(DIR) Post #AA1VbROKWsGZznnUvI by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T18:32:35Z
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@WyoBob @umad80 How about the shortage of cocoa in Havanah, eh?How about the fattening curve of Angus cows in the humid Pampas?
(DIR) Post #AA1Wu4Gip5UzjpgVbE by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T18:47:10Z
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@WyoBob @Debradelai The new trend from anti-vaxxers is that getting your child vaccinated against covid is child abuse.I have no idea wtf you're babbling about.
(DIR) Post #AA1XUfFQoRfOqtX16W by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T18:53:47Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai What if the vaccine can kill them? What are the long term health impacts of the vaccine? Why take a vaccine that has no FDA approval? How do you know the vaccine is effective when it doesn't stop the spread of COVID itself?All valid questions.
(DIR) Post #AA1Y2dlqoKwo7Ite1Q by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T18:59:55Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai No, they're not valid questions. They’re stupid questions.Why do these stupid questions persist over 6 months later?
(DIR) Post #AA1ZHLLjgNzRHZFwcC by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:13:47Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai Because people have died and have been seriously injured from the vaccines. That's why.
(DIR) Post #AA1ZTmtl5CJsCM6VBg by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:16:01Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai Prove it. Show me a death certificate that says “died because of the vaccine.”
(DIR) Post #AA1bNYx6DliF7FpHAO by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:37:19Z
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@umad80 Here are the tables for death and injury from the vaccines along with detailed accounts. https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19
(DIR) Post #AA1bcEJtDL3RTAToOG by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:39:58Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 Let me guess, they got this from VAERS? Death certificate. People claiming on a website that people died is not proof.
(DIR) Post #AA1bvorXZbJGJ5YpO4 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:43:31Z
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@umad80 Yes. It's detailed data. VAERs breaks it down with PE symptoms too. It's quite impressive.
(DIR) Post #AA1bzaR39h9sigxyaG by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:44:11Z
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@umad80 VAERs is proof. The names are also given as well. LOL
(DIR) Post #AA1c5ka8LNOzvU9cmG by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:45:18Z
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@umad80 We should only believe death certificates is a hilarious standard. Did you believe death certificates only when JFK was shot?
(DIR) Post #AA1cHi4vTdK3dZGB9M by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:47:28Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 VAERS is NOT proof. Anyone can add the information. Each case is then investigated to see if it's true.Think of VAERS as a tip line. Each tip has to be investigated. And 99.9% of the time? It turns out to be absolutely nothing.
(DIR) Post #AA1cMYLz3rDovLY2O8 by WyoBob@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:48:20Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai Sorry, your 7 9s comment triggered me. Vitamins, with diet and exercise is an excellent mitigation strategy and a not superstition. Ill admit my obtuse comparison to flu deaths didnt get my point across. Which is all discussion i see here is vaccine mitigates risk, of course it does. I was trying and failed to start a discussion of the risk exposure we are trying to mitigate. Wrong toot and wrong time. My apologies.
(DIR) Post #AA1ccJh1KxZ85Vu8Js by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:51:11Z
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@WyoBob @umad80 I'd say you failed miserably.You'd do well to observe why.
(DIR) Post #AA1chW3qmP9btZ3ubo by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:52:08Z
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@umad80 That is not valid given the volume of data and the amount of complications. To discount entirely is invalid and disingenuous especially when the vaccines have no real record of safety in the long term.
(DIR) Post #AA1cxRqYDVZHSQRF32 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:55:00Z
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@umad80 Also, you have no evidence of their long term safety. You completely brush over that part. Why? Why are you so invested in these vaccines which dont even have FDA approval?
(DIR) Post #AA1d5esbdyeQCCJZQ0 by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:56:29Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 Let me explain this to you slowly: When someone gets the vaccine and say gets admitted to the hospital the next day they or a doctor can put this information in to be investigated for a link. This is viewable to every moron with a keyboard.Without knowing what the investigation found none of us can use VAERS to say the vaccine did it.Am I explaining this right @watch4thedrop?
(DIR) Post #AA1dDJvtPMW5XwVOzI by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:57:53Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 They have FDA approval. It's just emergency use. I see you conveniently untagged @Debradelai in order to get your anti-vax bs in.
(DIR) Post #AA1dKZiJ8L22W7buHw by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T19:59:10Z
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@umad80 @ManuelCerdan1 Here's the disclaimer straight from the VAERS website. bullet point number 3. straight from VAERS themselves. hope it helps
(DIR) Post #AA1dXIQAjoKqeMC43s by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:01:29Z
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@umad80 @watch4thedropOK. You asked for evidence. I showed you where the citizens reported symptoms. You discounted it because it wasn't a death certificate. Again, why are you dismissing side effects from these vaccines?
(DIR) Post #AA1dYO86zyIEe2GbLs by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:01:41Z
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@watch4thedrop @ManuelCerdan1 I can't believe we still have to explain what VAERS and EUA are and does.
(DIR) Post #AA1dhBn4FHsoyscVM0 by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:03:17Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @watch4thedrop I explained it to you. Drop gave you even the VAERS website to not use them. And now you're trying to turn this into me being some shill for big pharma or something.
(DIR) Post #AA1e1adZZivfpkuHgG by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:06:58Z
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@watch4thedrop @umad80How do you know the vaccines are safe when you discount VAERs and other agencies when you still do not have FDA approval? EUA is not FDA approval.
(DIR) Post #AA1eChKb1m8pmQKMG8 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:08:58Z
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@umad80 @DebradelaiIT'S a EUA. It is a bypassing of FDA's approval process.
(DIR) Post #AA1eId8xVhUYWtiGDA by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:10:02Z
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@umad80 @DebradelaiAnti-vax BS= What are the long term effects? Really? I didn't tell anyone not to get the jab. I am just asking legitimate questions which you seem really defensive about.
(DIR) Post #AA1eZF5iBou0r67D9M by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:13:02Z
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@umad80 @watch4thedropNo just that VAERs is more evidence of the vaccine and its actual side effects than the FDA and the Pharmaceutical companies have even released.
(DIR) Post #AA1eizMxUvaIzUpVtA by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:14:48Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai Are you a dumb fuck? The FDA approves the EUA.
(DIR) Post #AA1esM4cSB8Q0riZSy by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:16:30Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @umad80 I've written a thread on the difference step by step between FDA and EUA approvals if you are interested. in the #pharmacy april 24th entry.regardless though, FDA announced that they are gonna give it the official approval early next month so the debate will be moot
(DIR) Post #AA1etymM27XMLSwuWG by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:16:47Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai When do we stop deciding on long-term effects? A year? Two? Five? Ten?It's a tactic used by anti-vaxxers to get morons to question vaccines. How do I know when I'm 80 that the MMR shot won't have an effect?
(DIR) Post #AA1exbbq7Roje0lBrs by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:17:27Z
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@umad80You're doing just great. 🏆
(DIR) Post #AA1f50hjDOG1VC2sGu by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:18:47Z
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@umad80 @Debradelai Yes. Long term is the opposite of short term no matter the time.
(DIR) Post #AA1f5hpgrfAzGL6L9U by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:18:55Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @watch4thedrop No, it's not.JFC. Do you honestly believe that all these companies could keep under wraps serious issues with a vaccine? What's next? There’s a cure for cancer and big pharma is hiding it so it can make money off chemo?
(DIR) Post #AA1fAzoHS8wMSwxqUa by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:19:52Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai So, I should have never gotten an MMR shot because, well, I couldn't know what it would do to me in 80 years! 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #AA1fLzduPnsP8HMC0m by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:21:52Z
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@umad80 @watch4thedrop Yes. They are a business with billions of dollars on the line. The same people who would do that are the same kind of people who would delay the release of a vaccine until after an election. Remember that?
(DIR) Post #AA1fTCtHYem0FOzHX6 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:23:10Z
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@umad80Quality of life vs Quantity of life?It's a cost/benefit. We know the long term effects of MMR. We don't know the long term effects of the COVID vaccines.
(DIR) Post #AA1fs5dLfzqqyoOqQ4 by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:27:39Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 We don't, actually. How do we know that in 80 years we couldn't see a problem? It was first used in 1967. How do I know in 2037 that someone could start growing a third eye from it?
(DIR) Post #AA1g61ZJaRzyQV9p5M by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:30:11Z
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@umad8080 years is invalid standard given that it reaches beyond life expectancy. If there side effects after 80 years, it would be worth it given that age is far past life expectancy.
(DIR) Post #AA1hg13V4WnpDL0D3Y by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:47:53Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Nomoretwitter Oh, in other words, you refuse to have your mind changed all because of the dumbass notion of no idea of long-term side effects. We never know of any drug or vaccine’s long-term side effects when it first comes out. Most studies are small. Just because 5,000 participants are fine for two years, how can we be sure?There are absolutely no guarantees with anything that becomes available.
(DIR) Post #AA1iepGHXH5wIhyeO0 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T20:58:51Z
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@umad80 @NomoretwitterAgreed. So we have no idea what the long term effects are of these vaccines.Thanks for two things.1. Someone's health and wellbeing is second to someone's ego in regards to whether they are for or against the vaccine.2. That the vaccine's status as safe is invalid until we have long term data. That doesn't mean someone shouldn't get it, but there are unknown risks that are valid.
(DIR) Post #AA1jOeJ0bOLfds6RZA by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:07:09Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Nomoretwitter I see the point went over your head.1) No one is suggesting you get a vaccine if your health can be compromised. Always speak to your doctor.2) We will never know the long-term effects of anything.Of course, what you seem to fail to understand is the mRNA vaccine itself has been in development for over 30 years. Covid is just SARS and they were working on that vaccine before it disappeared.
(DIR) Post #AA1juYocY8vbsi6cSG by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:12:55Z
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@umad80 @Nomoretwitter1. Vaccine passports force people to get vaccinations or else they can't enter retail establishments. This is an entree to forced vaccinations the same way the state can force sterilization.2. We discovered the long term effects of Vioxx and pulled it from the market. Chantix I believe was just pulled as well. Looks like we can know long term effects.🏆
(DIR) Post #AA1jwO4pRk2H9hYeuG by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:13:15Z
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@pamby1 @Zemeliko @ManuelCerdan1 @watch4thedrop It's true, but we can't actually prove it was on purpose. Only that the timing was suspect.
(DIR) Post #AA1kDOlq7Wi0EJmtHM by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:16:20Z
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@umad80 @pamby1 @Zemeliko @ManuelCerdan1 Timing was definitely suspect although I don't think it would have made a difference anyways. just an announcement wouldn't have changed 100 million ballots being mailed out and all the swing states changing their rules. Even with the vaccine out now, they still sending out mass mail in ballots.
(DIR) Post #AA1kFvyLeF07mZqb4a by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:16:47Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Nomoretwitter 1. A business can decide whatever it wants for its business. We, in turn, do not have to go to that business.2. We only knew long after years of clinical trials. Get it? And a lot of times the pulling of medicine is dumb. For instance Zantac. They admitted it would be hard to get cancer from it but because they discovered the possibility... 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #AA1kIW26Xx4iCYpr8q by Zemeliko@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:17:15Z
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@umad80 @pamby1 @ManuelCerdan1 @watch4thedrop I still find it EXTREMELY HARD to believe that a vaccine that came out in 9 months, when it was expected to take 5 years to develop, could have actually come out EARLIER, but was POSTPONED DELIBERATELY.It sounds to me like a VAERS level of argument.``I got the jab and two days afterwards I got hit by a bicycle. It must be the vaccine!''Come on, people, not EVERY two timings coming near or in some order are a sign of deliberate manipulation.
(DIR) Post #AA1kPFwukBI8LVcc5I by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:18:28Z
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@umad80 @pamby1 @Zemeliko @watch4thedrop Yes, Big Pharma loved Trump especially after he garnered lower drug prices at their expense.
(DIR) Post #AA1kUAehqwx7NMRsY4 by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:19:21Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @umad80 @pamby1 @Zemeliko They made money hand over fist off of Operation warp speed though so it's a give and take
(DIR) Post #AA1kzfrJtCTr82N1qy by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:25:03Z
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@umad80 @pamby1 @Zemeliko @watch4thedrop
(DIR) Post #AA1l0g8qK9KwIL2tm4 by Zemeliko@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:25:13Z
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@Debradelai I think ``termination by their employers'' means getting fired, not having an abortion.But I agree with you. It's still an employer's right (and some might say prerogative) to make sure their employees don't form a risk to their colleagues and the customers.@Annabeth
(DIR) Post #AA1l5tdVZwmraysRuq by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:26:10Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @watch4thedrop They didn't rig a release date. They simply held off on announcing it before the election. And there is no way of knowing if it would have helped Trump who only loss due to cheating.Asshole move with waiting, but it rigged nothing.
(DIR) Post #AA1lB0L25XMdpTffd2 by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:27:05Z
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@Debradelai I think some of the misunderstandings are due to the fact that governing entities all but promised a way "back to normal", which now turns out the vaccines won´t be able to accomplish; so people are disappointed and wish to lay blame.(Also, the covid vaccines are actually not like the vaccines we know and are used to, and are more properly understood to be prophylactic antibody therapeutics. What they do is give people some six months of protection from serious illness.)
(DIR) Post #AA1lE2m9TylOG1nz04 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:27:38Z
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@umad80 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @watch4thedropYes. The Pharmaceutical industry would never do anything dishonest especially for a candidate they are supporting who would insure them rivers of money. 🏆
(DIR) Post #AA1lQBmtnlmRgOwiCu by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:29:50Z
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@umad80 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @watch4thedropHolding off till after the election to announce the release is literally "rigging the date."
(DIR) Post #AA1m2aofC8wMJN5F1U by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:36:46Z
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@serguht Six months my arse.Yes, they are like any other vaccine.And like any other vaccine they weaken over time.How long are we protected?Nobody fucking knows.At least, 6 months. Now let us wait for the 12 months tests...in December.We may learn a year is OK, too.
(DIR) Post #AA1mCi76uxFTq9XKKG by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:38:36Z
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@Zemeliko @Annabeth You lost some in translation.The sarcasm was directed at the idiocy "my body, my choice".
(DIR) Post #AA1mKfWKRXLw787vZw by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:40:02Z
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@Zemeliko @ManuelCerdan1 @pamby1 @umad80 It's a moot argument anyways. Even if you could somehow prove pfizer rigged the date(which you cant), Releasing the announcement doesn't mean the vaccine suddenly became available. There still would have been unprecedented covid related cheating like mass mail in ballots, month long early voting, tossing out observers because of muh covid etc.
(DIR) Post #AA1mgvDwjqcXBk8jWC by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:44:04Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80They would never do that. You're correct. Their virtue would never waver. 🏆
(DIR) Post #AA1mz8c5hBlXvZ7SOe by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:47:22Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 I'm not sure you are understanding the part where it would have changed nothing.
(DIR) Post #AA1nGDrdQWRH8RXK9Q by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:50:27Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80They didn't know that. They are just doing their part. They are in the pharmaceutical industry, not elections. They didn't know he was going to lose anymore than even the cheaters did. They thought they had Trump in 2016, but couldnt cheat enough to win. Even the pros make mistakes.
(DIR) Post #AA1nQsmW9S6GvzE4Rc by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:52:23Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80It shows that the medical establishment was politicizing medicine up to the point of delaying vaccines for their own benefit. They did this HCQ, masks, herd immunity, etc. Why not do it with the vaccine given that their pattern of behavior trends towards using medicine for their political benefit.
(DIR) Post #AA1nhjVdsWWR6GMqiu by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:55:25Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 of course they knew that. pfizer is well aware that after you announce a drug is ready, it takes months for the FDA to do the approval. I can assure you they weren't like "oh, if we announce this now, the vaccine will come out tomorrow and the democrats won't be able to cheat, let's wait until a week after the election" That conspiracy theory doesn't make a lick of sense.
(DIR) Post #AA1o1PKUcGVSIyXAiu by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:58:58Z
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@Debradelai We may indeed, or we may not: the vaccines only produce antibodies against the spike protein, which is the one that mutates the most. There are some worrying news from Israel hospitals and elsewhere.But yeah, let us see in December 👍 .Somewhat uncomfortable disclaimer:I have, in my mind, bet against positions of @Debradelai on certain issues before, here and there; only to always lose. So yeah, I am well forewarned 😉 👍 .Still felt it needed saying.
(DIR) Post #AA1o5jBuiGsv3ya6Yi by joebennett@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T21:59:46Z
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@watch4thedropThis is true. Timing was questionable, but not determinative. @umad80 @pamby1 @Zemeliko @ManuelCerdan1
(DIR) Post #AA1oAast1d6kkQ0ApU by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:00:38Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80No. They would just withhold it to not allow the positive press to help someone they were actively spending money to defeat. Trump said as much that they were doing this.
(DIR) Post #AA1oCauFujsjOZb1BA by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:01:00Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80"As I have long said, @Pfizer and the others would only announce a Vaccine after the Election, because they didn’t have the courage to do it before. Likewise, the @US_FDA should have announced it earlier, not for political purposes, but for saving lives!” Trump wrote. “The @US_FDA and the Democrats didn’t want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later — As I’ve said all along!” Trump Nov 8,2020
(DIR) Post #AA1oNAyWfL569mdguW by KittyDugre@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:02:55Z
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@umad80 @ManuelCerdan1 @Debradelai because they are valid questions.
(DIR) Post #AA1oSkTe67y1iCquoa by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:03:55Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 FDA can't approve something that hasn't even been announced yet. His beef would be with pfizer if it's true. and if it's true, pfizer would be the dumbest people in the world since it wouldn't have changed the results anyways.
(DIR) Post #AA1ovt8WytlUxzs4HI by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:09:11Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 They haven't approved it yet as of today.
(DIR) Post #AA1p9lRkMy8JAdTYcy by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:11:42Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 my point. thank you
(DIR) Post #AA1prxOdIlhayR5lBI by WyoBob@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:19:41Z
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@watch4thedrop @ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 Would of could of should of....you have no idea what optimism effect that news of a imminently available vaccine would have had on voters. Its like dismissing election audits because it won't immediately kick Biden out of office, we know that and still want to know if there was any impropriety. Golly, at least we're not tooting about two brothers who's names will not be mentioned.
(DIR) Post #AA1qAJ31Xab3KxjZUe by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:23:00Z
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@WyoBob @ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 ahh yes. the optimism effect. That would have kept those observers in the building to stop the democrats from inventing 100,000 joe biden only ballots.
(DIR) Post #AA1qxHTaAlmMeVVeOO by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:31:51Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80COVID was unprecedented and brought to market with help from the US military. It's development and release was a national security issue. The FDA is part of the executive branch and would be in the loop of any vaccine release given the importance and liability issues. Big Pharma would insist given their liability.
(DIR) Post #AA1r0i0txoOjpEjFlA by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:32:28Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80COVID was unprecedented and vaccines were brought to market with help from the US military. It's development and release was a national security issue. The FDA is part of the executive branch and would be in the loop of any vaccine release given the importance and liability issues. Big Pharma would insist given their liability.
(DIR) Post #AA1r6WBIruckrkMdxA by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:33:30Z
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@watch4thedrop @WyoBob @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80This is hindsight. He's thinking foresight. You're both talking past one another. You're both right.
(DIR) Post #AA1rXgPivqlKQ83wEC by WyoBob@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:38:26Z
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@watch4thedrop @ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 How far we've come from pharmaceuticals with holding info that would be favorable to opposition candidate till after the election. Was the impact significant or mute is a completely different discussion, right? I think so and think we completely agree.
(DIR) Post #AA1rd7KOIHjhLB9wCe by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:39:25Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 You just don't understand how the drug approval process works in this country. doesn't matter if the FDA knew everything, they can't jump ahead of pfizer and announce results for them. that is lunacy. They began the approval process as soon as pfizer announced and finished up in two months. this is the normal procedure.
(DIR) Post #AA1rymr75ctkDZnXA8 by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:43:20Z
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@WyoBob @ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 Yeah that is a completely different discussion. I only bring it up to say that if that was indeed pfizer's intention, they are complete morons. This is the number 2 biggest pharma company in the entire world. I sincerely doubt they were clueless to how the process works.
(DIR) Post #AA1t3KwmNf1l3yBJpI by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:55:21Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80It was unprecedented. The previous rules don't apply. Like when they lied about masks and released two fake studies about HCQ into Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine. Agreed. Lunacy. No one in medicine would assert politics over the individual's well being. Never.
(DIR) Post #AA1t5I0WHUuoWbrVxI by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:55:42Z
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@umad80 "And 99.9% of the time? It turns out to be absolutely nothing."How do you know this?@ManuelCerdan1
(DIR) Post #AA1tOyhblaHiRXP9Um by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T22:59:16Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 this is a non-sequitor
(DIR) Post #AA1thl5Gciq1hzQTya by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T23:02:40Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80Actually no given that the medical establishment has lied on numerous occasions during COVID. The FDA is as political as any other federal agency.
(DIR) Post #AA1uM7rJMluhvX9BE8 by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T23:09:57Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 kinda ironic, if they were to have dont what you suggested and announced the results ahead of pfizer, something that has never been done in history, they would 100% be political. yet thats what you wanted them to do. while complaining that they are political. 🤔
(DIR) Post #AA1uU4smJf1F0qcoSW by watch4thedrop@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T23:11:23Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 kinda ironic, if they were to have done what you suggested and announced the results ahead of pfizer in order to help trump, something that has never been done before in history, they would 100% be political. yet thats what you wanted them to do. while complaining that they are political. 🤔
(DIR) Post #AA1vvvkvwRw0lmniBE by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T23:27:38Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80Yes, I wanted them to help Trump instead of helping Biden. I will admit this without shame and fuck them for helping that Judas. That's my hill and I will die on it.
(DIR) Post #AA1wFWvDz369XXxaPA by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-05T23:31:10Z
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@watch4thedrop @Zemeliko @pamby1 @umad80 I have no problem of any corporation being political. I have a problem with corporations allying with China or some other shithole country against the United States. I don't believe you or any one else here would either.
(DIR) Post #AA1zCRVpwIPjkyIwrI by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:04:14Z
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@serguht @ManuelCerdan1 Stop using VAERS for anything. VAERS even asks you not to use them for anything. It's only a reporting site where they request that even if they don't suspect the vaccine to put it down any way.These are only things reported, they are then investigated, but we have no idea if anything came of it because there is no corresponding website to tell us.
(DIR) Post #AA1zOweTzOozoDJIQq by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:06:29Z
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@umad80 @serguht I will second that. Guys. It's Thursday night. VAERs is not worth your evening. There is more to life than this.
(DIR) Post #AA20PhnYnf2xz8TzHs by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:17:50Z
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@umad80 Ok. Let´s say the number of reported adverse events (and/or deaths) in 2021 is 1000 (one thousand) times greater than in any of the previous years, since it began in 1980 or so.Would you conclude anything at all from that?@ManuelCerdan1
(DIR) Post #AA20SdoE5XikTuC5aq by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:18:22Z
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@serguht @ManuelCerdan1 That morons have access to the internet and can put whatever they feel like in the database.
(DIR) Post #AA20qxauBB5mnHYkC0 by umad80@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:22:45Z
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@serguht @ManuelCerdan1 From their own website.
(DIR) Post #AA20uXI7ulyoNKTskC by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:23:24Z
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@umad80I see.Then why is it there in the first place?And why does the european equivalent (EudraVigilance) report similar numbers, of 20 odd thousand deaths, and near 2 million adverse effect cases, about half of them grave?Sorry, but I will believe my own lying eyes.@ManuelCerdan1
(DIR) Post #AA21ImI5na0bqT1ZrM by serguht@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T00:27:47Z
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@umad80Good lord, I am not a complete idiot; I know all that!But did you know that OSHA ("Occupational Safety and Health Administration") changed their adverse vaccine reporting REQUIREMENTS (this is dollar and cents level, insurance wise) because they do "not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, and also does not wish to disincentivize employers’ vaccination efforts." ...@ManuelCerdan1
(DIR) Post #AA24GbUZHEszdXVy6a by WarriorPoet@social.quodverum.com
2021-08-06T01:01:01Z
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@Iamnata @Debradelai Saul shortened that"No one knows ANYTHING"