Post A9tHcLnOFursUDFH8q by Nivamarina@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #A9t5FF1Q4jAzMr1PO4 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T16:59:24Z
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There are a lot of people 'complaining' about the new #Mastodon app🤔 But many seem to forget something: You get a FREE open source application that works just fine without ANY data collection. If you don't like it there are 4 more apps you can use that do include the local and federated timeline.If you are using Mastodon you are using a FREE open source platform that is mainly developed by Eugen, don't forget about all time and effort he put in so we can toot :thinktink:
(DIR) Post #A9t5P8tViDg5G82lIu by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:01:13Z
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I get that some people think there's a certain "responsibility" with Eugen since he is the main developer and decides a lot for usBUT...Again, #Mastodon is open source and YOU can make your own copy or so called "fork". Stop complaining and start learning how to improve YOUR version of Mastodon..If you want new things or changes be KIND about it, I totally get when Eugen says no after a shitload of complaints.C'mon people, respect the guy for his work..
(DIR) Post #A9t5W75UpNx5gOyQxk by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:02:28Z
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No one owes you anything in FOSS, better start thinking what you owe them :ablobwink:
(DIR) Post #A9t69ueuSP7yidW3AO by whacker@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:09:42Z
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@stux No. But he does have responsibilities by running basically the entire project. So it's not about owing anything to anybody, but about the ability to run a project with the size of Mastodon. He also has to be able to take critical views and maybe doe something he doesn't like, because the majority wants it.You are right: there are more apps, and it's not about that for me. It's also his inability to admin his instances correctly and taking shady sponser deals against his OWN rules.
(DIR) Post #A9t6MGTNBB2jqg0eX2 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:11:55Z
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@whacker I get your frustration but than again he does not :blobcatgiggle: He doesn’t earn on you or me, doest seem is anything etc etc Soo he literally has no responsibility for that, it’s a free open source project, one can clone it and go on its own without Eugen is one wishes
(DIR) Post #A9t6O3n3Itjt5r4R7I by NickolasGir@paypig.org
2021-08-01T17:12:22Z
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@stux Also nothing.
(DIR) Post #A9t6PUA8jmUlAwY7Jw by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:12:24Z
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@whacker People like Jack from Twitter have that since it’s a billion business, Mastodon is not
(DIR) Post #A9t6QVk8LXiiMosFfc by selea@social.linux.pizza
2021-08-01T17:12:43Z
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@stux So if someone creates a software that is free and open - the creator is immune to criticism? Not really.But there is a difference about legitimate criticism and plain stupid shitblasting, but I have not really seen the latter.
(DIR) Post #A9t6WjuQafJE2WevJ2 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:13:49Z
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@selea No, no, criticism is there always but it’s still up to the person what he or she is gonna do with it right? I feel people think it’s a given but it’s not always
(DIR) Post #A9t6egmK78l4e9eucS by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:15:14Z
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@selea The criticism in this case ‘GitHub issues’ only help growing the platform etc But ‘mean’ blog posts about how Eugen doesn’t do what they like them to do I find kinda uhh.. crappy
(DIR) Post #A9t7Gte4iumLYb1HA8 by srashwan@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:22:09Z
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@stux I cant agree more to it; While its okay for constructive criticism, its very sad to see people bashing towards such community or services. Defending privacy maynot be very superficial but they also deserves to be well appretiated. 😇 Thankyou @Gargron
(DIR) Post #A9t7V5s04MnXWcIp2e by selea@social.linux.pizza
2021-08-01T17:24:43Z
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@stux Yes ofcourse, the reciever of said criticism can chose to listen or not to it - and recieve criticism for that too :p
(DIR) Post #A9t7lOHnMnYXH68gTI by whacker@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:27:41Z
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@stux you are wrong.His software is used by most of the fediverse. People rely on it. He has some form of responsibility to make sure it all goes smooth. He literally made Mastodon GmbH or something. That is a conpany (/organization) with actual responsibility.
(DIR) Post #A9t84XCsQLusRZy16O by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:31:06Z
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@whacker But it does work smooth right? :blobcatgiggle: In this case it goes about one or two EXTRA features within the application :flan_laugh: I think Mastodon comes without warranty :bloblaugh: And you and me are not on a server owned by Eugen even so... 😇 there's also Pleroma, Misskey and Friendica that do about the same
(DIR) Post #A9t8DeGHYzLyvkuDLs by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:32:46Z
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@whacker For example, if Linux wants to fuck up Linux core or change it all to "meow" or whatever he prob could if there's no "board" for such decisions :flan_laugh:
(DIR) Post #A9t8EYa4AcS9bKanxo by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:32:57Z
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@whacker For example, if Linus wants to fuck up Linux core or change it all to "meow" or whatever he prob could if there's no "board" for such decisions :flan_laugh:
(DIR) Post #A9t8IAsaEWMVFcykvQ by thefloof@cdrom.tokyo
2021-08-01T17:32:46.722050Z
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@stux Is that still a topic if people complain …
(DIR) Post #A9t8IBGKoDMQRI5iwi by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T17:33:35Z
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@thefloof Whaa? :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A9tG0ARJvdkMJA9RwG by Nivamarina@mamot.fr
2021-08-01T18:59:59Z
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@stux I have trade education and maybe understand little more than people who doesn't. Just because they doesn't think about it. It's not talking about free or payment. It's talking about "what is the our prodact? Who pay for that and why?" Bissunesmans has more flexible opinions about it. They understand the problem when their concurrent have access for their databases. But they don't respect the idea of safety of their clients. They treat clients like the product. And do it for huge MONEY
(DIR) Post #A9tH8KjTdyxqVA6NAe by icymastodon@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T19:12:40Z
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@stux yes,
(DIR) Post #A9tHcLnOFursUDFH8q by Nivamarina@mamot.fr
2021-08-01T19:18:06Z
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@stux @whacker Actually selling of github wasn't one step process too. Do you understand that you with whole your work created and guaranteed the high quality of project. You and everybody here guaranteed the value of Mastodon project. Even when you are disagree. You are product now with your golden George Washington. Maybe even creators don't understand. But byuers think in this way. You are the part of sell. And Mastodon has more sensitive data then github...
(DIR) Post #A9tHrPwD8YtFg2YVYu by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T19:20:47Z
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@Nivamarina @whacker But that's what we also chose when we use such a social network right? :blobcatgiggle: I mean we use protocols like ActivityPub that literary broadcasts our public posts into the world (internet) If we want privacy and no data collection (from the outside) one should not use Mastodon or the Fediverse but a closed E2E Matrix server for example 😇 Or just restrict your account and toots :)
(DIR) Post #A9tHxv0kWKyZmomK5Q by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T19:21:58Z
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@Nivamarina The point is that Mastodon nor Pleroma etc needs private info of you :)On Twitter it's impossible these days to keep an account without verifying your phone number :amaze: Mastodon only needs an email and that can even be a disposable one! Also, we have .onion address for people who wanna be extra "safe"
(DIR) Post #A9tLQT11zB17DjDNJ2 by AaronTheIssueGuy@fosstodon.org
2021-08-01T20:00:45Z
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@stux I wasnt completly happy with the app either.WITH THAT BEING SAID!!I completely agree. I think constructive criticism is totally ok, but I've seen some people flaming @Gargron (whoms work I highly apriciate btw ) which is not ok.These people don't get the point of Foss or the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #A9tLpcoCiDgIphD9tY by whacker@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T20:05:18Z
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@stux @Nivamarina indeed. But it is actually still better than Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Since their servers are centralized, thus one hack reveals the entire network. Here you have to hack multiple servers etc.
(DIR) Post #A9tM5eXw1HHir5FCXQ by Nivamarina@mamot.fr
2021-08-01T20:08:12Z
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@stux @whacker should we trust anyone now? You are thinking like user but not trader.If we live in world where access to data is the same to operate with it or maybe use it like source of boosted concurrention, should we wait somebody will use our data against us?You can see but shouldn't touch and something like that thinking people who came here. Especially what is private data? Do you know whole where Masto was used world law about data? This is more dangerous for creators than user.
(DIR) Post #A9tMzCrW8TJVD8tTCy by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T20:18:14Z
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Another thing.. About the sponsors of the Mastodon project🤔 What seems to be the issue exactly here.. Is their sneaky code implemented into the source code? :mortyderp: They only have a little logo displayed on a small page on the join page that's it right. Altough, I am not sure how far Mastodon would have been today without financial support of these companiesI bet the ones screaming the loudest about 'bad sponsors' haven't paid a single dollar to the project contribution
(DIR) Post #A9tOjqP3YUxd7VNr2O by whacker@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T20:37:53Z
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@stux You make rules.You break your own rules.That is the problem.
(DIR) Post #A9tOnOR7TdKbXc2bnU by stux@mstdn.social
2021-08-01T20:38:31Z
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@whacker What rules are broken or made here exactly? :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A9uOVQ8GcweukLc3yC by avalos@mstdn.social
2021-08-02T08:09:59Z
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@stux The sole fact of having logos of ethically questionable companies on the sponsors page makes the project look ethically questionable as well. It's just that.
(DIR) Post #A9uj3qciFXKDeogHdw by unagi@alive.bar
2021-08-02T12:00:18Z
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@stux Don't you thin putting logos on the official website is a kind of advertisement? I'm not sure if it's legal advertising online casinos, although for mastodon's case it looks like advertising advertisement of online casinos since those sponsors don't look like casinos themselves, it still raises concern.https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gamblinghttps://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gamblingI'll like to know how much money Eugen needs or is receiving, whether it's absolutely necessary receiving money from these suspicious websites. There are also people who stop sponsoring knowing that he's receiving money from those sponsors.
(DIR) Post #A9ujE9bkWLElQs92MC by unagi@alive.bar
2021-08-02T12:02:10Z
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@stux Don't you think putting logos on the official website is a kind of advertisement? I'm not sure if it's legal advertising online casinos, although for mastodon's case it looks like advertising advertisement of online casinos since those sponsors don't look like casinos themselves, it still raises concern.https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gamblinghttps://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/internet/internet-governance/online-gamblingI'll like to know how much money Eugen needs or is receiving, whether it's absolutely necessary receiving money from these suspicious websites. There are also people who stop sponsoring knowing that he's receiving money from those sponsors.
(DIR) Post #A9x47inhlMADuKQlpw by maperal@social.politicaconciencia.org
2021-08-03T15:05:40Z
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@stux Maybe not all of it is complaining but petitions or suggestions 😄.
(DIR) Post #A9yznGpE3QSdqp3Rse by louiscouture@qoto.org
2021-08-04T13:26:37Z
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@stux where is this app
(DIR) Post #A9z0COfs0aiJQyeybQ by louiscouture@qoto.org
2021-08-04T13:31:11Z
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@stux it’s really cool but it would be also really great to have an iPad and Mac app
(DIR) Post #AAjzRcu2GIpRKJLpOS by twotwenty@qoto.org
2021-08-27T05:34:09Z
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@stux we owe each other freedom and open source software :D
(DIR) Post #AAjzYNCb2E2mevFYMC by twotwenty@qoto.org
2021-08-27T05:35:22Z
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@stux we owe each other freedom and open source software for the versions posted. :D