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(DIR) Post #A9Qwhy8WLeaovh6mtE by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:11:59Z
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Brief thread on legislation in Washington. I am writing a few posts on this topic because there are quite a few somewhat confusing stories and rumors about the Bills. There now two Bills that are currently being considered in the Senate. Both involve massive spending. Neither one is in its finished form, and both are in constant flux. So it isn't possible now to know what will be included and excluded, and what the cost will be.Thus the understandable confusion.1/2
(DIR) Post #A9QxA8xxg3BQcqbWTY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:17:04Z
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It also isn't clear if they will be passed in the Senate. One is an 'Infrastructure' package that is supposed to cost somewhere between $700 billion and 1 trillion dollars. That has the support of some Republicans and the hope of the Democrats is that the ten Senators who originally agreed to vote for the Bill in June will remain on board.That way, the Bill could not be filibustered.2/3
(DIR) Post #A9QxB3Le3BOzUW7EAK by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:17:14Z
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However, passage is far from certain, mostly because of questions as to how to pay for the Bill.The Republicans have said to any tax increases. Mitt Romney is the Republican who is the most outspoken on this opposition to new taxes.A serious question, though, is why Republicans are considering voting for this at all.3/4
(DIR) Post #A9QxCzA6aLTP5Tdhq4 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:17:36Z
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However, passage is far from certain, mostly because of questions as to how to pay for the Bill.The Republicans have said to any tax increases. Mitt Romney is the Republican who is the most outspoken on this opposition to new taxes to pay for the Bill.A serious question, though, is why Republicans are considering voting for this at all.3/4
(DIR) Post #A9Qy3l5ddS46n8iL8y by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:27:08Z
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The content of Bill #1, that smaller Bill, is primarily Infrastructure spending - although there is also money for Green projects.Bill #2 is the major spending spree. A vast, leftist garbage bag cornucopia of spending for leftist causes as well.There will be no Republican votes for Bill #2 at all. The only hope for Bill #2 to pass is through Reconciliation, which presents numerous obstacles and difficulties for the Democrats.4/5
(DIR) Post #A9QyCdKBsMVRJXkjBY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:28:44Z
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The content of Bill #1, that smaller Bill, is primarily Infrastructure spending - although there is also money for Green projects.Bill #2 is the major spending spree. A vast, leftist garbage bag cornucopia of spending for leftist causes as well as many other unrelated wish list items that the Democrats are trying to stuff into it. These are items that they could not pass any other way.4/5
(DIR) Post #A9QyM68S7ytzH7m8sy by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:30:27Z
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There will be no Republican votes for Bill #2 at all. The only hope for Bill #2 to pass is through Reconciliation, which presents numerous obstacles and difficulties for the Democrats. It is extremely unlikely - and probably impossible - for the Democrats to achieve their massive goal with this Bill, for several reasons.But this is their only chance - and last chance - to get anything done, so they are literally going for broke5/6
(DIR) Post #A9Qz1iQkeUWvv0BBbM by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:37:58Z
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The price tag on this trash collection has ranged all over the place. It started at 6 trillion, then went down to 2.1 trillion. With stops along the way.In its latest bloated form, the cost is supposed to be 3.5 trillion.This latest manifestation of the Bill was released last week. Sanders was heavily involved.But that doesn't mean anything close to that will pass.6/7
(DIR) Post #A9Qz4lxE0Vo3iRpHxQ by Arcalian@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:38:32Z
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@timr Sanders is a kiss of death I would think
(DIR) Post #A9QzSDgr3GeYOjLkJ6 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:42:45Z
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This second Bill is especially important to the Sanders/Warren/Woke/Squad crowd.They have received absolutely nothing in return for voting for Biden/Harris.This is the Die On The Hill Bill for the hard left.They are already furious. Their lack of pragmatism and contempt for reality are evident in the jumble of demands and costs in this Bill #2@Arcalian 7/8
(DIR) Post #A9R0IXUcfeOesCZmca by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T03:52:13Z
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I will address now the issue of Reconciliation. Again, this is the only way the Democrats can pass Bill #2.I have posted before on this topic. I will refer here to a few pertinent facts as they relate to Bill #2.It is important to note again that this is it for the Democrats. All of their Bills are either dead or dying.So we will be hearing a lot of conflicting and confusing stories in the coming two weeks, as they panic and attempt to include things that can't and won't pass8/9
(DIR) Post #A9R1EiKOXoQpH0X2xM by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:02:44Z
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Essentially, the Democrats are attempting to get around the filibuster on this Bill #2 through Reconciliation. That is a special option with limited application that allows a Budget Bill to be passed with 50 votes. It cannot be filibustered.However - there are strict requirements. Reconciliation can only be used for fiscal policy, revenue, debt and federal spending related issues. Nothing else.9/10
(DIR) Post #A9R1M6aAlVBiWZR78S by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:04:04Z
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Also, under Reconciliation, the total cost of the Bill after Senate changes cannot exceed the amount in the House versionAlso, the total cost of the bill after Senate changes cannot exceed the amount in the House version10/11
(DIR) Post #A9R1iIpfttBQt7GvKq by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:08:04Z
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Also, under Reconciliation, the total cost of the Bill after Senate changes cannot exceed the amount in the House versionSo the primary problem for the Democrats in making use of Budget Reconciliation option is that it is to be used for the Budget - for financial matters, and issues related to spending only.Right now the Democrats are trying to stuff the Bill with items that have no relation to the Budget10/1110/11
(DIR) Post #A9R2OgbhtfWQmowsQC by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:15:44Z
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There is another issue that the Democrats will have to face regarding the use of Reconciliation.The usual rule is that the option can only be used once during the course of a year - for the Congressional Budget.This year the Democrats requested and received the option of using Reconciliation again, after using it for the stimulus bill.The reason may have been because of a situation that was perceived to be an emergency in January11/12
(DIR) Post #A9R2kmELfcrqb6YZDU by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:19:44Z
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The Democrats were, of course, thrilled that they could use Reconciliation again, and planned accordingly.However, in June they discovered that there are strings attached.They can only use Reconciliation again under specific and strict rules determined by the Office of the Senate Parliamentarian.Schumer made the odd claim that he had been given permission to use it for more than two bills, and the rules would be less strict. He was wrong.12/13
(DIR) Post #A9R2ne9u8Z4qQrqX0C by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:20:15Z
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The Democrats were, of course, thrilled that they could use Reconciliation again, and planned accordingly.However, in May they discovered that there are strings attached.They can only use Reconciliation again under specific and strict rules determined by the Office of the Senate Parliamentarian.Schumer had made the odd claim that he had been given permission to use it for more than two bills, and the rules would be less strict. He was wrong.12/13
(DIR) Post #A9R36AxYvGv7NJuOmm by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:23:36Z
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It can only be used one more time this year. And there is more:On May 28th, the Senate Parliamentarian issued a statement regarding the second use of Reconciliation."NEWS on a new Senate Parliamentarian ruling.When Senate left town Fri, the parliamentarian' quietly issued a new rulingIt said majority CAN use reconciliation twice — but cant do it just to avoid filibuster"https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/140005664519197492213/14
(DIR) Post #A9R3EvrePrphAEJqSW by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:25:11Z
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I posted on this when it happened. Now the full significance is becoming clear.Take note of that last sentence: the Democrats cannot use the Budget Reconciliation option for the 'infrastructure' bill 'just to avoid the filibuster'.That is the only reason they are planning to use it at all14/15
(DIR) Post #A9R3OpD80cFLQM59Xc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:26:58Z
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There is even more. In order to use the Budget Reconciliation Option, the rules are extremely strictThe Senate Parliamentarian's "ruling ALSO said Congress would have to start over. Repass budget in committees and bring them to the floor. in the senate, that would trigger another vote-a-rama. This would be exceedingly time consuming, and potentially politically risky."15/16
(DIR) Post #A9R3dquvwjTF3ojmZk by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:29:41Z
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Yet another important point on the use of Reconciliation:"To use reconciliation twice, there would have to be reasons beyond political expediency - like an economic downturn."So it is clear the list of requirements is a long one. The Democrats cannot just make use of this as a fallback escape route when all else fails (as it has) and then pass their vast leftist wish list.16/17
(DIR) Post #A9R3pfSwLfc91GHHCy by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:31:49Z
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It is important and helpful to keep all of this in mind as we read the various news items that are, and will be released regarding the Budget Bills. 17/18
(DIR) Post #A9R40FqhvmPSkwRWKW by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:33:44Z
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@ghostofColGlover The GOP is our party. This is a two party nation and we only have this option, with all its many flaws.It is indeed being transformed and this will continue. The Republican Party belongs to us. Not the other way around
(DIR) Post #A9R4misNJSGIgJKmcy by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:42:30Z
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I will address other issues involved with the Bills tomorrow, including support for them and specific itemsSigning off from this Thread tonight.Over and Out
(DIR) Post #A9R4wOmmrWIlGjKnDc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:44:14Z
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@ghostofColGlover McConnell is a hero. He will be seen as the most effective, influential and important Republican Senate Leader of this era.
(DIR) Post #A9R5Ompp2gUTxoI4Ia by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T04:49:22Z
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@ghostofColGlover It is because he does an outstanding job.Right now, he is holding the line against the insanity of the Democrats.We have plenty of new MAGA people coming in. There will be many more. A dynamic timeWe don't need a new Senate Leader.
(DIR) Post #A9R6S020XBW9iO5O6K by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T05:01:09Z
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@ghostofColGlover 👍
(DIR) Post #A9R6pt8FpxUzGdOmx6 by OneRandomGuy@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T05:05:29Z
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@timr Great thread. You're one of the great experts on the legislative stuff/processes here.
(DIR) Post #A9R8RNhHGCQojPDqsK by Lisa22@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T05:23:28Z
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@timr Thanks for this great thread, Tim!!
(DIR) Post #A9RDCdsDKmHiKR84Qq by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T06:16:49Z
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@timr Thanks Tim,great thread 🙂 👍
(DIR) Post #A9RFp8p2un8hEA8Ikq by AmericanMermaid@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T06:46:11Z
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@timr if they need an economic downturn, we will have one. It seems as if this is one of their goals. My biggest concern is the federalizations of voting regulations. Trump supporters would have zero voice on social media, texts, protests and votes. Democrats could then go hog wild (er).
(DIR) Post #A9RFuaQbhkQMIFIYaW by AmericanMermaid@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T06:47:10Z
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@timr if they need an economic downturn, we will have one. It seems as if this is one of their goals. My biggest concern is the federalization of voting regulations. Trump supporters would have zero voice on social media, texts, protests and votes. Democrats could then go hog wild (er).
(DIR) Post #A9RoV78ox6IQcMZHyi by AmareVita@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T13:14:45Z
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@timr Thank you for the explanation.Having no political knowledge, just a gut feeling, I wonder if any sort of "Reconciliation" agreement with these democrats is akin to having the camel's nose in the tent.
(DIR) Post #A9RwLfaUpGXkBlWLCq by KittyDugre@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T14:42:40Z
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@timr Wonderful and informative thread that everyone needs to read. Cleared up a lot stuff that I wondered about. Thanks Tim.
(DIR) Post #A9S4M2R0gFvCgGloYq by Buddy@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-19T16:12:22Z
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@timr Thank you for this thread on the legislation going on about the budget and proposed spending. I never knew a lot of these things assuming it was just a done deal. You have opened my eyes to the process and make it much easier for someone like me to realize how this process works. Look forward to your next thread. I am sure it will be packed with great information for a novice like me.
(DIR) Post #A9SsIGbl2PMBBkBzsG by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:31:57Z
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Thread on Budget Bills in Congress, continued:We were discussing the obstacles and issues that the Democrats face as they attempt to push Bill #2 through the Senate, with its current 3.5 trillion dollar price tag.Now we will move to some of the specific items the Dems are attempting to stuff into the Bill.During the last few days, they announced that massive amnesty for illegals is now added to the Reconciliation. 19/20
(DIR) Post #A9SsKW7SL2ItsJ5m52 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:32:21Z
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This is the direct result of demands made by Bernie Sanders and the hardline leftists who met last week."Democrats launch immigration reform Hail Mary""The party has a prime opportunity to go around Republicans, but it involves another battle with the Senate rulebook."https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/15/immigration-backdoor-49977820/21
(DIR) Post #A9St9QggIFijnTqT9E by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:41:34Z
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The title of the article in Politico makes it clear that this is a last-ditch and somewhat desperate attempt by the Democrats to achieve what is otherwise impossible - amnesty without any Republican votes in a 50-50 Senate.However, there are numerous obstacles involved: 21/22
(DIR) Post #A9StDc3JyoiwChQhtY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:42:19Z
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1) The question of whether or not the Senate Parliamentarian will allow all - or any - of the content to remain in Bill #2.2) The question of whether all 50 Democrat Senators will support the amnesty and remain on board.23) The Democrats' awareness that immigration is the issue where they are most vulnerable and their approval ratings are extremely low and falling.22/23
(DIR) Post #A9StFtFF1x2S6V5iYC by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:42:44Z
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1) The question of whether or not the Senate Parliamentarian will allow all - or any - of the content to remain in Bill #2.2) The question of whether all 50 Democrat Senators will support the amnesty and remain on board.3) The Democrats' awareness that immigration is the issue where they are most vulnerable and their approval ratings are extremely low and falling.22/23
(DIR) Post #A9Stg6CFUzBvnnBlzc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:47:27Z
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According to Politico, the Democrats are 'exhausted' by their failure to convince Republicans to agree to amnesty, so they "plan to try their luck with the Senate's byzantine rulebook instead'.The Dems know that there is no other way to achieve anything at all on amnesty."But there’s no guarantee it will work, and there’s some skepticism in the Senate about what can actually be done."23/24
(DIR) Post #A9SuCM7noU02TAUSjQ by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:53:17Z
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The Democrats' questionable plan on these additional items in Bill #2 is to try to cover their entire wish list and hopefully come up with something to present to the radicals.Despite the grand plans and ambitious headlines, all of this is really a ramshackle affair.More from Politico:"Success is still far from certain: Democrats don’t know whether the measure can survive the Senate’s obscure budget rules that would allow the bill to pass without GOP support."24/25
(DIR) Post #A9Suf8CQfNipg8NLcm by BCPaladin@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T01:58:30Z
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@timr I go away for a couple hours and when I get back @timr is 25 posts into another epic political thread. Sheesh!
(DIR) Post #A9SvIuJRiUaaC0clvc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:05:41Z
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However, again, this is not the only concern. A Bill offering mass Amnesty for illegals is a staggering example of self-destruction by the Democrats.The border is in chaos and getting much worse.The vast majority of Americans blame Biden, Harris and the Democrats.The issue is a disaster for them, and just as significant as the question whether the Senate Parliamentarian will allow this to remain in Bill #2.25/26
(DIR) Post #A9SwAiD4vjgkIJIn9k by stephanieanne@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:15:24Z
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@timr This makes me physically ill.
(DIR) Post #A9SwRg9voAFcrBv8Iy by stephanieanne@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:18:28Z
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@BCPaladin @timr Great, isnt it? Thank you @timr for making it easier for me to understand.
(DIR) Post #A9Sx58KozAKfXHpMrw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:25:36Z
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This tone of apocalyptic hysteria permeates everything the Democrats do, including this Budget Bill. The complete absence of pragmatism and rationality. The constant screaming tantrums. The fear and hatred. The open disdain for self-preservation.26/27
(DIR) Post #A9Sx6Tfx7tYK0rLupU by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:25:50Z
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The Democrats carry on every day as if they have no future as a political party. One of the central factors here is the civil war between the two factions of the Democratic Party.The coherence and unity are now completely gone, and the Democrats' marriage of convenience is over.All of this is being played out now, publicly, in this giant, toxic boondoggle of a Budget Bill27/28
(DIR) Post #A9Sxckl799dmGK9nBQ by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:31:40Z
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@timr boondoggle is putting it mildly smh
(DIR) Post #A9SzWVaapmLpNwNyuu by Lisa22@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:52:57Z
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@timr Thank you Tim!! Great posts.
(DIR) Post #A9SzzqhZPvkZGKdjpg by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T02:58:16Z
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This brings up the issue of Democrat votes in the Senate for Bill#2.Swing and red state Democrats will anger voters no matter what they decide to do on amnesty, if any part of the amnesty plan is in the final bill.The Politico article specifically mentions Senator Mark Kelly in Arizona. A border state. A state that is supposedly turning blue, but is really still red - red/swing.28/29
(DIR) Post #A9T0F9vYDfoREVTnsW by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:01:01Z
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@Lisa22 You're welcome
(DIR) Post #A9T0SkeKzvwItEuSaO by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:03:29Z
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@fuzzybugs The GOP has nothing to do with Bill #2. The enormous tax increases alone are enough to assure that no Republican will be even consider voting for it.If it passes in some form, they will not be involved, and will be able to use it to campaign against the Dems. The GOP are not to blame for this one. This is pure Democrat self-destruction
(DIR) Post #A9T0UZ8glSlXlnyHRY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:03:49Z
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@fuzzybugs The GOP has nothing to do with Bill #2. The enormous tax increases alone are enough to assure that no Republican will even consider voting for it.If it passes in some form, they will not be involved, and will be able to use it to campaign against the Dems. The GOP are not to blame for this one. This is pure Democrat self-destruction
(DIR) Post #A9T0jvo4llX8Pqem7k by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:06:36Z
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@CYVH1 You're welcome
(DIR) Post #A9T0qbZsNYANhhCHT6 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:07:48Z
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@J_Bird The end is in sight. Perhaps tomorrow.
(DIR) Post #A9T0wsATbpzCtZIzNw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:08:56Z
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@stephanieanneYou're welcome. I appreciate the comment @BCPaladin
(DIR) Post #A9T1p4oMokLdkHoI2y by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:18:43Z
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@Buddy I very much appreciate the comments. Good to see you back and posting, Buddy
(DIR) Post #A9T1pZJFQUsKKkUNLU by Lisa22@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:18:49Z
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@timr 😀
(DIR) Post #A9T2HuhRUXCumaK0US by Buddy@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:23:55Z
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@timr Thanks. Before I went out for a while I used to read your toots and threads, but since I am coming back with the help of others here your writings mean so much more to me.
(DIR) Post #A9T2pDJlI6Fg587km0 by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:29:57Z
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@timr Big beefy porkulus bills usually pass in the end.I expect this to be no different.The Senate Parliamentarian has a price.
(DIR) Post #A9T3OyNeIxfEBBzf84 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:36:25Z
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@Buddy What a great comment. Thanks
(DIR) Post #A9T3WAAyqaXGn3UqIq by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:37:43Z
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@Dawnz Thanks Dawn
(DIR) Post #A9T4mhnzgLojg2CFbE by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:51:55Z
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@sursdai @Buddy Thanks - I try to include data and information that are pertinent. And don't underestimate your own intelligence
(DIR) Post #A9T5P6NkkqZku9EPlQ by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T03:58:51Z
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@AmareVita You're right - but fortunately the Republicans are staying well away from the Reconciliation Bill. Bill #2 is radioactive
(DIR) Post #A9T5WONMFkpWjoWTtw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T04:00:08Z
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@KittyDugre I'm glad the information is helpful
(DIR) Post #A9T5jsdZ3MWwMAXEEC by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T04:02:35Z
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@AmericanMermaid HR1/S1 is dead in Congress. There won't be a federalization of voting regulations or legislationThe Dems do not want an economic downturn. They would be blamed.One of the few rules of politics in the US - the incumbent party receives blame and or credit for the economy on election day
(DIR) Post #A9T6bnqF6C1X7ZB3c8 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T04:12:21Z
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@fuzzybugs I agree that Bill #2 is an attempt to please everyone at once and to try to restore some unity - and also to avoid a disastrous midterm and give Biden and Harris something to salvage from their gruesome administration.The only thing they will have as a result is a vast garbage heap that is guaranteed to anger everyone
(DIR) Post #A9T8Q7tutQqjlcSKBc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T04:32:39Z
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@sursdai @fuzzybugs True. One would think so. But the Democrats do not prize, or trust, the good of reason. Panic, rage, fear and paranoid hysteria are the hallmarks of the Democrats now.Clear thinking is not often found in people who are in the throes of a mental and emotional breakdown
(DIR) Post #A9TCs2QfEL88inL18a by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T05:22:31Z
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@ghostofColGlover Rand Paul has courage and integrity, but he is really more of a libertarian than a conservative. He is a reliable conservative vote. But he has some odd viewsHe can be quite squirrelly at times. He is far too eccentric and outspoken to be GOP Senate leader. We need a brilliant negotiator and strategist. Paul talks too much and goes too far for that role.
(DIR) Post #A9TD2GD6qX02MLs920 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T05:24:22Z
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@LakePacificLover Thank you
(DIR) Post #A9TDvk7jKagV3poQEq by RedbudLady@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T05:34:23Z
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@timr Thank you for this thread.
(DIR) Post #A9TEJJJGfz0wqhRlYm by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T05:38:39Z
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@timr yvw, I like how you break things down and explain them..Thank YOU ☺️
(DIR) Post #A9TEaLhv10BnCx6Mam by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T05:41:44Z
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@RedbudLady You're welcome.
(DIR) Post #A9TU3jVr5JhekWvcxc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T08:35:07Z
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@OneRandomGuy Thank you - I'm glad the information is helpful
(DIR) Post #A9TlhRLrj1EBEBm8mG by Jaime@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T11:52:47Z
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@timr The Democrats Carry on every day as if they have no future as a political party.That says it all. Thank you for this continuing thread.👍
(DIR) Post #A9Tq8RTrkkRHGOeHNg by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T12:42:29Z
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@timr This allows Romney a lynch pin to collapse the bill and all talks concerning it. This also allows Democrats to exploit Romney for the same purposes.
(DIR) Post #A9TqNZKOrKD5wfQxqy by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T12:45:12Z
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@timr Don't forget tax bills #obamacare
(DIR) Post #A9TrLYIXojUU7sAUmu by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T12:56:03Z
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@timr @ghostofColGlover The Senate can change their rules with a simple majority. Tax bills can also be brought through reconciliation. All taxes/penalties can be brought up and passed with Bill#2 with a simple majority vote through reconciliation. There is no way to stop a tax bill with a filibuster. You can have the basic structure of the bill as a tax and even additional policy/spending through appropriations. They have lots of options.
(DIR) Post #A9TvzWSSTfxHoq7Vzs by Linnie@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T13:48:06Z
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@timr I’m studying this stuff. Thank you Tim.I have a folder labeled, “Reconciliation,” where I put all your info.
(DIR) Post #A9UJnK4l5QhEqCkaRM by AmericanMermaid@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:14:49Z
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@timr are you certain HR1 will not pass? If Manchin gives in?Though I agree that normally an economic downturn would be avoided by any current administration, I was referring to if they did pass HR1. We lose our voting rights (in essence) in that case. Then normal scenarios do not apply.
(DIR) Post #A9UL9qp27JECj8hX3w by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:30:03Z
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@AmericanMermaid HR1/S1 is already dead in the Senate. It is not a question of whether it will pass now. It is not a living Bill. If they want to pass a new Bill to federalize voting, they would have to go through the legislative procedure again and vote on it again in the House1/2
(DIR) Post #A9ULBXSJ5mRFF3sMiW by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:30:23Z
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@AmericanMermaid Assuming it would pass there - a big assumption now that the House Dems are on defense - then it would go to the Senate. The opposition to the filibuster remains intact. It cannot pass with the filibuster intact.Also, there are not enough Democrat votes anyway, so it would not come to that.HR1/S1 is dead.
(DIR) Post #A9ULLLYMCSXbDtNmYi by AmericanMermaid@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:32:10Z
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@timr thank you for sharing you knowledge and opinions!
(DIR) Post #A9ULeE2GNHelPSNBbs by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:35:35Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 Obamacare was passed in two stages. Your argument does not apply.The first part was passed by the Dems when they had 60 votes in the Senate. They did not need Reconciliation and they did not have to be concerned about the filibuster.When Republican Scott Brown, MA, was elected in a special election, the Dems lost their Supermajority in the Senate.The Dems then passed the rest of Obamacare in a much smaller package tailored for Reconciliation.The rules are strict
(DIR) Post #A9ULhWeFd5Fy0LiP8y by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:36:10Z
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@AmericanMermaid You're welcome
(DIR) Post #A9ULs4IvLsnBHalbhQ by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:38:05Z
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@ManuelCerdan1 Romney has no involvement in Bill #2, the Reconciliation Bill. In fact, he is the most vocal Republican denouncing the tax increases.He is involved in Bill #1.One Republican vote does not make a difference anyway
(DIR) Post #A9ULuN52Vvec5wN2PY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:38:30Z
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@SpikeFL You're welcome
(DIR) Post #A9UM56VGUGlNrqks76 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:40:26Z
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@Jaime Thanks Jaime
(DIR) Post #A9UMDkgSyqCmno7NzM by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:42:00Z
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@pma05 Yes, they are in a panic. Meanwhile Democrats across the country will try to find a way to distance themselves from their insane party. It won't work but they will try
(DIR) Post #A9UMolBI5vut3iBOWO by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:48:41Z
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@Linnie I'm glad the information is helpful
(DIR) Post #A9UMtxC8r5vLlb3cYK by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:49:37Z
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@Lolosmom Thanks for the comments - I appreciate it@sursdai @Buddy
(DIR) Post #A9UNLjYh9F99aCqwmO by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T18:54:39Z
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@pma05 2022 will be a difficult year for the Democrats. A very difficult year
(DIR) Post #A9UaXiQOULTKwg0vLc by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T21:22:28Z
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@DougAdamavich Yes. Agreed.That issue is at the heart of everything that is happening now in the US
(DIR) Post #A9UeJZOFgJoKghWRTU by NSP@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:04:44Z
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@timr @DougAdamavich And, globally.
(DIR) Post #A9UeglotdNYftl31eK by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:08:56Z
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@NSP @DougAdamavich Yes, definitely
(DIR) Post #A9Uf0Yodh1PlMHMe6C by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:12:30Z
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@timr @DougAdamavich Need this guy:
(DIR) Post #A9Uf5twuXxhoLmmQRk by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:13:28Z
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@karnage @DougAdamavich We have the One he had
(DIR) Post #A9UfTTv0ymsqZH8YT2 by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:17:44Z
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@timr @DougAdamavich "We have the One he had"Bears repeating.Well said!
(DIR) Post #A9UfnuXPidpmuyq65I by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-20T22:21:26Z
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@karnage @DougAdamavich
(DIR) Post #A9UqQh9aPl9uF6pJ9U by NSP@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T00:20:29Z
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@timr @DougAdamavich 🙏🙏🙏
(DIR) Post #A9UuQTZHKDXdvMzjyi by Lemonhead@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T01:05:16Z
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@timr thanks for clarifying all this, greatly appreciated😊
(DIR) Post #A9V4rcEgCoRuAQwKq8 by OneRandomGuy@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T03:02:13Z
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@timr @fuzzybugs Yeah, I can't see this passing.https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1417664748636811264
(DIR) Post #A9WMSxeBSELbfPDrI8 by Jaime@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T17:54:10Z
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@timr 👍
(DIR) Post #A9WhrOrU1Mxc3gwD9k by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T21:53:53Z
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Developments today on the status of Budget Bills in Congress.A vote was held today at the insistence of Chuck Schumer, to begin debate on 'Infrastructure' Bill #1. Republicans blocked the vote for the sensible reason that the Bill is not yet completed.Important to note: This was not a vote for the Bill itself. This was a procedural vote that would allow debate to go forward on the finished Bill.29/30
(DIR) Post #A9WhvHXdBBHKVuVGAi by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T21:54:35Z
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Developments today on the status of Budget Bills in Congress.A vote was held today at the insistence of Chuck Schumer, to begin debate on 'Infrastructure' Bill #1. Republicans blocked the vote for the sensible reason that the Bill is not yet completed.Important to note: This was not a vote for the Bill itself. This was a procedural vote that would allow debate to go forward on the unfinished and incomplete Bill.29/30
(DIR) Post #A9WieGMkOekPtnrRuy by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:02:43Z
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The new plan is that the Bill should be completed by next week. This assumes that and an agreement can be reached that will keep ten Republicans on board to approve Bill #1, so the filibuster cannot stop it.Schumer was trying to force the debate to begin in order to expedite the process. There is a great deal of pressure on Democrats because the goal is to have something to show Democrat voters before Senate Recess begins August 1st30/31
(DIR) Post #A9WifvSf5fgBdyQ7w8 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:03:01Z
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The new plan is that the Bill should be completed by next week. This assumes that an agreement can be reached that will keep ten Republicans on board to approve Bill #1, so the filibuster cannot stop it.Schumer was trying to force the debate to begin in order to expedite the process. There is a great deal of pressure on Democrats because the goal is to have something to show Democrat voters before Senate Recess begins August 1st30/31
(DIR) Post #A9WikuYLtWpkH6SXCq by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:03:55Z
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The new plan is that Bill #1 should be completed by next week. This assumes that an agreement can be reached that will keep ten Republicans on board to approve Bill #1, so the filibuster cannot stop it.Schumer was trying to force the debate to begin in order to expedite the process. There is a great deal of pressure on Democrats because the goal is to have something to show Democrat voters before Senate Recess begins August 1st30/31
(DIR) Post #A9WjgQVTlROFsqXaoS by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:14:19Z
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Republican Senators stated that they could not vote to begin debate on a Bill that was not even written yet. From last night's interviews:“There’s no bill. You can’t expect that many Republicans to move forward on a pretty vague concept,” said Sen. Roy Blunt (Mo.)."Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) told The Hill that there simply isn’t enough time to land the infrastructure plane ahead of Wednesday" 31/32
(DIR) Post #A9WjhkA2AyxX858cls by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:14:34Z
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"Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a key negotiator, added that he will not vote to proceed if no accord is reached"https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/19/gop-infrastructure-deal-50016632/33
(DIR) Post #A9WkYdaJMBIq57ePT6 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:24:07Z
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This was a failure for Schumer, who made the mistake of drawing an arbitrary line in the sand for a procedural vote, repeating it several times while disregarding the reality of the vote count.Now both Bill #1 and Bill #2 are in the process of being cobbled together at the same time in Congress, with Senate recess looming and massive work to do on both.The cost of the much larger Bill #2 keeps ballooning.33/34
(DIR) Post #A9WkqufSa5d8HBm1IG by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:27:25Z
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@sursdai I give credit to Republicans here. This is the type of circumstance where they might have surrendered in the past. But they held firm, without exception.This is not the old GOP anymore
(DIR) Post #A9WnNeNkLrj7EQE5se by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:55:44Z
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@Sydneykaye01 @OneRandomGuy @fuzzybugs
(DIR) Post #A9WnkFu7Wf4XyX9ELg by Sydneykaye01@social.quodverum.com
2021-07-21T22:59:50Z
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@timr @OneRandomGuy @fuzzybugs You’re right. It’s definitely both.