Post A9GsO3a9G2L0pV7dR2 by fossil@mas.to
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(DIR) Post #A9FPJh2c1xfRvv2ji4 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:35:28Z
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For those of you with M1 Macbooks, would I be wasting my time getting an 8GB model?
(DIR) Post #A9FPThlOCTsV4KlFa4 by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:37:29Z
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@kev You're really pushing people's sound-off buttons, aren't you? First you ditch Linux in favour of Windows (OH NOES!), and now you're succumbing to the Walled Orchard?!? Very daring, Mr. Quirk.
(DIR) Post #A9FPejEl3sCGpCkqgK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:39:16Z
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@joinme ha! I've been thinking about a Macbook for a while. I'm also considering a slimbook, soooo, yeah. Nothing is off the table. š
(DIR) Post #A9FQ5cW69hZNnigjeC by gray@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:44:26Z
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@kev Depends, will you be using Chrome ...? š
(DIR) Post #A9FQ7TIFQ1ozm45nWa by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:44:38Z
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@kev @joinme For me a macbook is out of the question, I don't have the money to waste on one when a cheapo machine can do all the work I really need it for, and in addition I'm very biased against it.
(DIR) Post #A9FQSIzSv6TttxF2ci by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:48:35Z
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@gray ABSOLUTELY!#HowManyPeoplCanKevPissOffTodayNah, I'll be using Firefox. Everything else feels alien to me. š
(DIR) Post #A9FRexwKb3ReKiNOu8 by person@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:01:36Z
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@kev 16 gigs. Remember, you cannot upgrade it.
(DIR) Post #A9FRxpNMf4fVH50zq4 by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T13:47:06Z
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@sotolf @kev If this was a few years ago, I'd probably argue with you, but the quality of Mac products has decreased while their price has only increased.
(DIR) Post #A9FRxpw6ZuSR0pGjzM by person@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:05:38Z
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@joinme To be fair transition to ARM seems to be changing that. Sure they will be less repairable but Apple machines have been like that since 2013 or so (?).
(DIR) Post #A9FSirTueOXhPoVOt6 by ndegruchy@mastodon.online
2021-07-13T14:13:40Z
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@kev What are you going to be doing on it?8gb is usually pretty good for most tasks.
(DIR) Post #A9FT1nY5UpS6ijUJO4 by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:17:22Z
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@person ARM might be changing that, but Apple is screwing up that change with disgusting changes to their OS. The last hardware upgrade I did is decidedly my very last.
(DIR) Post #A9FTU0PNHKhwiBrY80 by person@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:22:32Z
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@joinme I don't know people seamed to like Big Sur :blobcatshrug:
(DIR) Post #A9FUaTVA7gdsdQDc0G by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:34:16Z
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@kev Without knowing anything about price and use cases, I'd go for 16GB. 8GB is the lower end nowadays, 16GB just seems more future proof. So it's the better choice if you want to use the thing for many years. If, however, you change laptops every 2 or so years, then first off shame on you, and second, I guess future-proofing wouldn't matter much so might as well go with 8GB.
(DIR) Post #A9FVJ6IlE7pDiEhHKS by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:43:04Z
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@person I'm not a fan. Nor am I a fan of what I've seen of the upcoming Monterey.
(DIR) Post #A9FVTNSMIgzroT5RE8 by Ghosty@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:44:25Z
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@kev I mean this depends. If you do light tasks like browsing the web, text editing and some multimedia here and there you should be fine. Also: If Apple provides a device with 8GB you know it'll work for most users (probably). But 8GB might not be good enough in the future...
(DIR) Post #A9FW34pb1fViTNykBk by esparta@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:50:30Z
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@kev get the 16GB or more if you can.. your investments will last longer.Sources:Palma, E. (1988). Maximize your investments Buying an Apple Macbook Silicon (M1), learning by failing. HBS No. 491-009.Ā Harvard Business School Publishing.Now seriously, you will be better buying the best amount of memory you can get. Those machines has their memory solded and you will not able to upgrade later. Even with light use (just internet browsing) you will needed by other means like compiling things
(DIR) Post #A9FW79Z1N7a2JFAZyi by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:51:44Z
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@ndegruchy Yeah. Pretty much writing code (Atom editor), browsing, email, maybe the odd light game (minecraft, among us etc.)
(DIR) Post #A9FWmTxkQzefRqRVDM by theKingsRaven@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T14:59:23Z
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@kev regardless of the specific computer or operating system I would say 16 gb simply because I almost always get above 8 gb loaded into ram under a standard workload. That may not apply to you though.
(DIR) Post #A9FWqCPLe2OWA37nAO by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:00:09Z
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@esparta that's what I'm battling with - what I need vs what's nice to have.
(DIR) Post #A9FX9ClOXxyclYV24u by ndegruchy@mastodon.online
2021-07-13T14:56:38Z
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@kev So long as you're not trying to do all of those at once, yeah. You'll be fine with 8.
(DIR) Post #A9FXFmem0f6fpAXVOy by person@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:04:57Z
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@joinme Eh, it looks like typical Mac stuff to me :blobcatshrug:
(DIR) Post #A9FXUGOsDjxq7u0UIC by benoitj@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:07:16Z
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@kev what about a thinkpad?Seriously, if the laptop has soldered RAM, it may be better to go above what you need now
(DIR) Post #A9FXyxkdbh6RGTpEv2 by olivers@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:12:45Z
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@kev I don't have an M1 MacBook, but I wouldn't do 8GB unless your needs are very basic.
(DIR) Post #A9FYMVNOku1IDCBIOW by esparta@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:17:09Z
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@kev as I mentioned, you'll probably be OK with 8 GB for the 'day to day' , doing 'light' browsing and maybe a local software... for the next... 2 years?All browsers takes 4GB so quick and at some point will be already swapping memory, fixable by closing the browsers. Not a.huge deal.But when things like updates and install things with brew will take lot of time. Granted that's not a daily task.Do not dare to use Slack and pretend to do any other stuff with just 8GB.
(DIR) Post #A9FYfeqrkbsz6K65ce by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:20:14Z
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@benoitj I have a Thinkpad now.
(DIR) Post #A9FZ6NYOAkfNGrCEN6 by Sulairris@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:25:28Z
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@kev definitely go for 16gigs, thatās what I picked up, the only downside is thatās considered to be a ācustom configurationā and will probably ship from the factory (mine took about a week to ship). Other than that they are really solid, I work with a good bit of 4K video in final cut and it doesnāt even get warm, battery life on them is also insane
(DIR) Post #A9FbfFP4fNug2MasNM by iotshark@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T15:54:14Z
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@kev have no Mac - actually hate Mac, but 16 GB is minimum, better 32 GB (me:linux, but all browser eat memory as Germans sausages and kraut)
(DIR) Post #A9Fdt0rPjWUktaXbpw by Antacon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T16:18:48Z
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@kev If you can wait until latest November I think Apple will release a 2021 model with enhancements people are looking for, like no more touchbar, a possible M2 chip, redesign chasis, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Macintosh_models
(DIR) Post #A9FfvHDO6BKg6b1gsy by pswilde@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T16:41:53Z
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@kev @joinme my vote is for the slimbookš
(DIR) Post #A9FhYOls2SqUmwNFUO by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T16:59:55Z
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@kevLooks down. Nothing to say.
(DIR) Post #A9FkfR0YQ7ldcDHxx2 by LuD_up@mastodon.social
2021-07-13T17:35:03Z
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@kev I have a 8go version and with figma + many tabs on firefox and chrome I feel some lags and a clear limit, but it depends on your usage
(DIR) Post #A9FseU8c64SQfO7IGm by Pa6l0@mastodon.online
2021-07-13T18:26:06Z
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@joinme @person whatās wrong with Monterey. It only has great features in my opinion. Any examples?
(DIR) Post #A9FseUge3XgCMw2TJY by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T18:31:42Z
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@Pa6l0 MacOS just keeps going further and further away from a desktop experience and closer and closer to a mobile experience and I'm not here for it.
(DIR) Post #A9FseVCY8vCTxsxx2m by person@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:04:41Z
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@joinme Lol welcome to modern desktop. Gnome, Windows 11, Mac OS 11 we have it all!
(DIR) Post #A9FsrIs7IMdXURVqQi by benjaminpaikjones@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:06:39Z
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@kev @gray unpopular opinion: I actually really like Safari š just feels like the simplest browser in existence.Also you are just going all in on proprietary OS this week aren't you!
(DIR) Post #A9FtLvx4YrxBNjR7Im by Cambria@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:12:22Z
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@kev I use a 16GB (non M1 variant) for work and currently sitting at 11.3 GB used with 2.4 GB swap. All I have open is 8 chrome tabs, IntelliJ, and Slack.
(DIR) Post #A9FtkcV01WBuI14obI by ReverendLinc@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:16:31Z
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@kev I have an 8gb intel mac. I run at least 10 chrome tabs at a time, spreadsheets (Libre Office) Outlook email, iMessages, Notes, MS Teams, Webex maybe itunes and up to a dozen terminals sessions with ssh for work and drive 3 usbc displays. M1 macs are supposed to out perform intel. I would say 8gb is good unless you are doing maybe heavy gaming, but for work, I can't imagine anyone needing more. I am currently looking for an excuse to upgrade, myself :D
(DIR) Post #A9FuJl8ftO3bDmOFpA by joinme@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:23:22Z
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@person ok
(DIR) Post #A9FwGUTNbF4iZWdym8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T19:44:54Z
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@benjaminpaikjones @gray Iāve been thinking about it for a while. Only just started talking about it is all. š
(DIR) Post #A9FybhOMxfUad6XbOa by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T20:11:13Z
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@ReverendLinc thatās helpful, thanks Rev.
(DIR) Post #A9G0Js1GuTWIHnMbqK by ReverendLinc@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T20:30:25Z
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@kev I should add that my day job is building high performance computing clusters for gene analysis, for comparison. I know because of my handle may people think I am just doing budget spreadsheets or something. My day job is slightly more complicated than that :D
(DIR) Post #A9G0hD5Yk1jQI7Uxv6 by Vollmer@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T20:34:30Z
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@kev for any form of software dev or audio/video production, def. go with 16GB RAM. With an IDE, browser, and a few background apps open Iām normally sitting at > 8GB used. You could probably āget byā with 8GB, but youāll have a far better experience with 16GB. As far as waiting for an M2: Iād not at all be afraid of buying an M1 now. Theyāre enough advanced that youāll be happy with it, in my xp. Iād def. go w/a Pro to get 2 thunderbolt ports though. And I personally like the Touch Bar :)
(DIR) Post #A9G9uw59fQOZBivf4C by jamie@mstdn.helios.red
2021-07-13T21:41:08Z
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@ndegruchy Agreed. My desktop only has 8gb and itās quite happy. My laptop has 16gb, but I never stretch it that far.Donāt know how much the new architecture affects memory though. It would depend on price for me. Iād take it if the price difference is negligible.@kev
(DIR) Post #A9G9uwZzol46jNMI8e by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T22:17:52Z
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@jamie @ndegruchy around Ā£200
(DIR) Post #A9GKjzUtjCwy5fxBui by fossil@mas.to
2021-07-14T00:19:06Z
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@kev Always max out the RAM when it's non-expandable. Even if you hardly use it, it will improve the resale value down the line. And who's to say you won't install a massively heavy app in the future?I went for the 16Gb/512Gb M1 Air and am very happy with it.
(DIR) Post #A9Gr6zR7JmQn5xCCn2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-14T06:21:59Z
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@fossil I donāt really understand the deference between the air and the pro except for the shape and the Touch Bar?
(DIR) Post #A9GsO3a9G2L0pV7dR2 by fossil@mas.to
2021-07-14T06:36:14Z
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@kev You can (I think) order the Pro with over 16Gb RAM, and yes it has the awful touchbar. That's about it. Oh, and it has a part-time fan, whereas the Air is passively cooled and will slow itself down a little if you really crank it to overheating point.
(DIR) Post #A9H7W2CVm978AuKQ1w by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-14T09:25:47Z
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@fossil that's good to know, thanks.
(DIR) Post #A9HVQRP7YSv5VK5lLs by XxAlexXx@fosstodon.org
2021-07-14T13:53:40Z
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@kev well fosstodon has decided. Now its your decision
(DIR) Post #A9HiHAoFBQqgpmkp28 by _failsafe@fosstodon.org
2021-07-14T16:17:33Z
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@kev 100% recommend 16GB. You will not regret it.