Post A9CofdpGa2dDiCU1j6 by kev@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #A99ruhbmW3wWAvAYlM by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:27:57Z
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I’m no longer running #Linux on the desktop.https://kevq.uk/a-sombre-goodbye-to-linux/
(DIR) Post #A99sKELtucpYy4ujHk by thumb@mas.to
2021-07-10T21:32:25Z
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@kev *opens popcorn and settles into the couch*
(DIR) Post #A99sSMXhLRjegcJGe8 by ParmuTownley@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:34:04Z
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@kev F.
(DIR) Post #A99smfwMvwXsdiXFOS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:37:34Z
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@thumb 😂😂😂😂 yup.
(DIR) Post #A99tNYQXpYz63IEcnw by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:44:25Z
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@kevHangs head down. Nothing to say.
(DIR) Post #A99tQrYn9QOAGEfbcW by nilix@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:44:53Z
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@kev That's too bad. I understand needing your machine to just work so you can get on with life. For my workflow Void Linux enables that, and I struggle to get the same flow from my Windows VM at work. To each their own!
(DIR) Post #A99tlnSzZ8zxe7wImu by vancha@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:48:17Z
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@kev sad to hear you've switched to windows. If it works better for you, then that's all that matters ;) Personally though, mostly, but not just, because windows is a proprietary tool which exists to make money first, and help people second, is probably my main reason for not using it. Thus far linux has been good to me (generally no issues encountered at all) and i hope it stays that way. Please do share your experiences with windows though :)
(DIR) Post #A99tnuVgLjzK4PCnfU by hejowhat@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:48:48Z
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@kev So brave haha
(DIR) Post #A99tr8EZmR8pVGjxlw by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:49:45Z
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@kev As a person who left Linux in favour of MacOS in 2014, I say I would rather to be back to Linux and now I would say that I am not thinking about going back to "dark side" again. I guess everyone needs a breath and I hope you come back some day.GNU/Linux has its shits, especially in the desktop, but I guess I could help to make it better or at least do my best.
(DIR) Post #A99tw1dXji9MURkgFs by murph@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:50:38Z
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@kev Do what's best for you.
(DIR) Post #A99tyv7sOplxAMJvt2 by danielfgom@mastodon.social
2021-07-10T21:50:58Z
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@kev Sadly this is the state of Linux on the desktop. It's great on the server and in scientific applications, but just too many bugs and issues on desktop to be reliable enough for production.This is why my MacBook now runs MacOS Big Sur instead of various previous Linux distros. Just always had various issues with every distro and countless hours wasted sorting it. I have Linux and Windows running in VMware Player and it serves my needs.
(DIR) Post #A99u0XecddNswsPUoK by tulpa@tailswish.industries
2021-07-10T21:45:42.990041Z
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@kev I'm totally in agreement with you here. I happen to have a Fedora desktop right now, because my needs are slim and it doesn't give me any friction. But if that changes, Windows will be coming back to it.I only regret the upcoming Windows 11, with its artificially strict hardware requirements.
(DIR) Post #A99u0Y496jniE2Lsau by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:51:15Z
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@tulpa yeah, I recently upgraded my desktop and my new motherboard doesnt have a TPM, so it looks like no Windows 11 for me unless they lighten up the requirements. Ah well, I’m quite happy with 10.
(DIR) Post #A99u4QRrN5NDl5ICsS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:52:03Z
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@vancha oh you know I will! 😂
(DIR) Post #A99uBNkXnrPbPqLiL2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:53:27Z
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@danielfgom yeah it’s a real shame. Just feels like death by a thousand cuts.
(DIR) Post #A99uCxqH68E3dzmfsO by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:53:34Z
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@kev no point in raising a stink. You want convenience and windows delivers that.
(DIR) Post #A99uPmAFpJzLBtEqFk by samired@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T21:56:01Z
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@kev I've always had issues with Debian/Ubuntu distros. tried manjaro and a lot of these issues are not there anymore.Pacman is good. Rollover updates are nice.i3 and tiling wm in general are briliantOn the other hand, I'm using windows at work and comparing to my personal laptop at home with manjaro, I'm more productive with manjaroAnyway, no one-solution fits all, each one has different definition to productivity, and easiness.
(DIR) Post #A99updyKuLWXJPzyMq by Wivik@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:00:38Z
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@kev Your Linux experience is my Win 10 experience 😅 My gaming PC is running this OS and its behavior is absolutely random. (random reboots, desktop icons never at the same place, softwares installed without my consent, never remembers the sound settings when plugged on home theater for playing on TV...)Anyway, your feedback about Appimage and Snap is the reason why I avoid them when I can. They are the same disease as Electron apps 🤮
(DIR) Post #A99vXqwK3XZEGv8ZH6 by Zach777@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:08:43Z
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@kev It is always interesting to me how each person has such a different experience with their desktop. I have far less issues running Linux than I ever did running Windows. And I have some of the same use cases you do.
(DIR) Post #A99vx8rEZhAv5Coe2K by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:13:16Z
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@Wivik it’s crazy how we can all have such varying experiences with the same OSs. I suppose it’s good that we have choice. 😊
(DIR) Post #A99w4Ai65Kvir7tVKK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:14:32Z
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@Zach777 I literally just said the same thing to someone else haha. It’s good that we have choice and can find what works for us.
(DIR) Post #A99wZD8t5nZDNNE4Ce by ramsey@phpc.social
2021-07-10T22:20:02Z
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@kev But, but… this was supposed to be the Year of Linux on the Desktop.
(DIR) Post #A99whSbxSnRpfVkzxY by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:20:52Z
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@ramsey 😂😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #A99x1xMepjPmq7NE4O by paulfree14@todon.nl
2021-07-10T22:25:18Z
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@kev some application are easier to run on windows, others are easier to run on linux. At a time I was sort of depending on applications that were easy to run on windows but not on linux, I'd either run them in vm or had dual boot. For connecting my phone with my laptop I used KDE-connect. I could not find a solution for windows that worked that well and easy at that time. Under linux you just go to your packet manager and choose install.
(DIR) Post #A99zFzKQWme0tS9Hk0 by Wivik@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:50:17Z
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@kev I often say : "if computer science was hard science, I would be unemployed". 😁
(DIR) Post #A99zRx5sf5tNRD395E by koreymoffett@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:52:26Z
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@kev Use what does the job for you, that's my outlook, I use Linux because it does the job for me but for others I understand that my not be the case.
(DIR) Post #A9A2ldwxqbMxibxbFI by wholesomedonut@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T23:29:38Z
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@kev I won’t beat a dead horse here but I’ll say I could have written the same article for the same reasons. 😂😂It’s why I have Linux in a laptop to specifically dork around in and break, and I use Windows on my desktop.
(DIR) Post #A9A4KFTevb55uKJmBk by fossil@mas.to
2021-07-10T23:47:05Z
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@kev *points to self*Same except macOS not Windows.
(DIR) Post #A9A5BBDVV0Gg2e0DfU by jameskupke@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T23:56:40Z
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@kev A bit sad, but definitely understandable. Maybe later on, Linux will catch up again and you'll return.I will also add comment that you've set up a good community here; the discourse remains respectful from of a choice that is sort of anti-FOSS.
(DIR) Post #A9A8lUa5HSweNzZMv2 by stujr@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T00:36:17Z
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@kev I actually DON’T blame you for wanting to go back to W10 it just works. I am currently running W10 on my Thinkpad T410 and I’m going to try out W11 when it drops!!!
(DIR) Post #A9ABUOyHBUZjvXQYVM by rmgr@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T01:07:16Z
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@kev I fully agree with you. I'm pretty happy with Debian on my laptop but it has taken me about six months to find the time to dick around getting it on my desktop. I'm sure at some point I'll end up back with Windows just for ease of use.
(DIR) Post #A9ABkEpMfMvz6GoIwy by danjones000@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-07-10T23:49:35.163712Z
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@kev I just want my OS to get out of the way so I can crack on and get shit done.That’s why I use Linux.All the work I do on my computer just works better on Linux. In some cases, they’re specifically made for Linux and getting them to work on Windows is suboptimal, or just a pain in the butt.If I want to get real work done, I use Linux. Anything else and I’m just fighting with my computer.
(DIR) Post #A9ABkFEX9n4EMKaPBI by ramsey@phpc.social
2021-07-11T00:09:43Z
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@kev @danjones000 I have the same complaints about both Windows and Linux as desktop OSes, which is why I use macOS. It doesn’t really matter to me what others use, as long as they’re using the OS they feel makes them the most productive. A good OS should help you do things quicker, and the answer to what’s “good” is different for everyone.
(DIR) Post #A9ACEjVv8hyoxZFygC by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T01:15:43Z
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@kev The time has come, we need a new moderator that actually represents the values of FOSS, you are nothing to me now, I believe there is no better moment to ask you, to give away your position as admin of this mastodon instance.First it was Jekyll, now its Linux, for all I know, you will host your site on Google's Blogger by tomorrow!There is no going back, you can leave your ssh keys in a private message for me, I'll try and save whatever's left of this place after such a disaster! /s
(DIR) Post #A9ADLCWOIpf2cJ7nGa by Cambria@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T01:28:02Z
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@kev if you decide to play around with Linux and haven't given it a shot, I highly recommend #endeavouros. Ubuntu and its derivatives drove me insane with flatpack/snap shenanigans. Arch and arch-based distros have been incredibly smooth since I switched over.
(DIR) Post #A9ADUqwzMGG2byATkO by sbanwart@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T01:29:50Z
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@kev I largely share your take. As much as I love Linux on servers, I hate using it on a desktop. Windows 10 + WSL is, sadly, the best Linux desktop experience I've had.
(DIR) Post #A9AGvOyjlRnFXWKx2O by redeagle@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:08:14Z
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@kev I'm going to parrot a lot of others in that you need to use what gets work done. I used to use MacOS for work on phone systems, and at my current job I use and manage Windows computers. My personal laptop is Linux.Programming wise, I've had a lot of trouble with Windows and WSL. I prefer Mac and Linux. However, no OS comes close when it comes to managing corporate machines. And for anything else, it gets the job without any trouble.
(DIR) Post #A9AIMGP7qrFkig3JVg by RTP@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:24:14Z
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@kev So... :thinking_rms: how much was it? 💰 ... that they paid you? 🤑 😁 Just kidding there. We should all use what we find works best for us.🙂
(DIR) Post #A9AIdJmOYUuw6w4K1o by RTP@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:27:33Z
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I remember having to shop for Linux hardware, and it can be a pain. So I can't blame you.
(DIR) Post #A9AJJAbT3x51oVujlw by RTP@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:35:05Z
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@kev I remember having to shop for Linux hardware piece by piece (especially networking), it can be a pain, the setup, both time consuming and frustrating at times. :)
(DIR) Post #A9AJm8Bh7hcEiffVwm by nihar@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:40:05Z
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@kev Some of the points you highlighted, which I don't agree with.* Firefox crashes in windows equivalent number of times.* Next > Next > Finish and then crash without any reason like Jasper reports, Excel with vb script.* Time: Blue screen issue still persist. Due to that I have to spent hours and hours to redo my work.
(DIR) Post #A9AL34Kmnqoje5YsZk by nihar@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T02:54:30Z
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@kev I disagree with few points which you have highlighted. - Firefox crashes in windows an equivalent number of times.- Next > Next > Finish, then crash. Jasper reports, Excel with VB script, Gimp crashes without giving any reason.- Time: Blue screen issue persists. Due to which I have lost hours and hours to redo my task.
(DIR) Post #A9ANLLjb32wmjS0kPQ by Horizon_Innovations@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T03:20:03Z
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@kevWhatever works for you.I ditched windows ages ago, Ubuntu shortly after and Mac about a year or so ago. Recently I needed to hack a phone & the only way was through windows - doh! So into a VM it went.I totally understand your view & problems & your solution.Each to their own journey. Hope it works for you.For Linux my mainstay is mxlinux (debian based with solid foundations)
(DIR) Post #A9AOmeRHiFHuW51o5w by brandon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T03:36:15Z
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@kev damn this felt like a cut and paste version of my “moving away from Linux” story! It’s just lots of little paper cuts that all come to a head and make you feel overwhelmed with frustration
(DIR) Post #A9APQAojGVmwEGq7ma by brandon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T03:43:35Z
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@joeligj12 @kev wow that /s was a relief
(DIR) Post #A9ATNKMbiOrqmiaIEq by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T04:27:43Z
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@kev Sometimes I think about a computer is literally a rock that we tricked into thinking. It's been a meme somewhere.That context is so helpful to me in deciding what I want to do with the rock and what not.Family time and your health > anything else.
(DIR) Post #A9ATQLwCJrRsXFfrAu by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T04:28:18Z
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@kev Sometimes I think about how a computer is literally a rock that we tricked into thinking. It's been a meme somewhere.That context is so helpful to me in deciding what I want to do with the rock and what not, and how much importance I should place on it.Family time and your health > anything else.
(DIR) Post #A9AUsIdEIv22LQgxOK by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T04:44:32Z
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@kev 🌶🌶🌶🌶Also, saving that 2 hour tinkering time is _precisely_ why I switched to macOS :blobcatokhand:
(DIR) Post #A9AVoF69bETKBJqmAa by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T04:54:59Z
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@kev I switched back to Win10 a few weeks ago myself, for the same reasons. I'm primarily a gamer, and while Steam enabled a whole lot of gaming with Proton it wasn't 100% and I was locked out of a large portion of my library.So now I'm running Win10 on my PC and I can play tons of games I just didn't have access to on Linux, installing the printer was as easy as clicking a button, adding a third monitor worked out of the box and I can just do the thing I want to do.
(DIR) Post #A9AVrJQFyjRmSgiVsm by Mundon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T04:55:11Z
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@kev Use whatever works best for your situation. I'm finding myself in a similar boat with two young kids at home. At this point I've got Linux on one laptop and all my homelab servers. One of my old coworkers put it best when I started giving him crap for using a Mac. He said "It's just an OS. If you can do what you need to then it doesn't matter what it is." Those words ring in my ears whenever I see a debate over OSes.
(DIR) Post #A9AWJQ72hMjnJq8HQG by jeng@mastodon.online
2021-07-11T05:00:01Z
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@kev oh dear, I am really happy that you found something that works for you and I hope you get to spend time with your family when your WinPC is "getting ready" or during random reboots. is it just me who finds it weird that one of the admins of FOSStodon, a decentralized federated network not only uses Windows but advertises it on his site?. But hey!! I am not against it tho. Whatever floats your boat.
(DIR) Post #A9AamtxJDnGe5dtQlU by ssafar@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T05:50:56Z
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@brandon @kev there was this one time where I spent quite some time trying to get a Linux version of something to work...... so I installed the Windows version instead. On the same Linux box. Worked flawlessly with wine."you can just compile from source, binary compatibility is overrated" is just an example of the general problem: theoretically, it works nicely, but no one cares about the "practice" part?
(DIR) Post #A9AawIcYsy51C7faro by steppenwolf@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T05:52:22Z
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@kev I guess the decision also depends on the environment. My all family is running Linux along with home server and samba printer. So, it's when I have to use Windows for work that I find myself wasting time in workarounds.
(DIR) Post #A9AbAe7Tkc2TvRyKyu by ikt@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T05:55:02Z
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@kev why does your firefox crash every time you open it?
(DIR) Post #A9AbK9nLLuV4lr5aVc by bumbervevo@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T05:56:46Z
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@kev this was exactly my experience with Linux desktop environments. fun to mess around with, but when I need to actually do things with my computer and I need it to work, I can't be 100% sure that it'll just work on Linux. I can't think of any majors jssues that Windows have given me that have stopped me from being able to get things done.
(DIR) Post #A9AcGtrAFpZMQMt46K by RyuKurisu@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T06:07:28Z
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First of all @kev, I still find it amazing that I'm no longer finding any flaming responses or 'Read The Field Manuel' comments in fora and the likes (thou still some in real-time chats). Even here its all 'Okay Kev, whatever works for you' (and I agree BTW).Only an unsolicited Linux suggestion; Solus Budgie 😎👍'The Personal OS for Personal ComputersA modern operating system to power your daily needs. Install today, update forever.'https://getsol.us/solus/about/
(DIR) Post #A9AdFMQBBEZeOK5x20 by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T06:18:19Z
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@kev I thought you where a lot more knowledgeable than this. I'm actually disappointed in you.
(DIR) Post #A9AdYRgjozjmEFwNaC by gortbrown@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T06:21:51Z
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@kev great post! I totally agree! If it works better for you, then you should use it! I've been looking at switching to Windows 11 as my primary OS myself. There are certain things that work a bit better on Windows (compatibility especially) and I can also still use my favorite Linux programs and stuff through WSL
(DIR) Post #A9AezokYHs9ZWfLAJM by oros@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T06:37:55Z
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@kev windows ? Fosstodon admin? How can these two co exist?
(DIR) Post #A9Agz9CaxbhkZnGWYK by pheonix@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T07:00:07Z
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@kev It is a tradeoff you're willing to make and that should be perfectly okay. There are advantages to using both the OSs, and when it comes to ease of use-unfortunately Windows is ahead in the game. This doesn't mean Linux is bad, it just means it's not for everyone. We keep touting the Year of Linux and Decade of Linux meme; but if it were really to spill out of our servers and into people's desktops-and I mean non-nerdy people, then there are big elephants in the room that need addressing.
(DIR) Post #A9AhLgnQjsF58aFAQ4 by foo_dogsquared@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T07:04:16Z
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@kev Fosstodon? More like Fraudstodon! ;p
(DIR) Post #A9AjXPBSFOuXteCA1Q by k3rn31@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T07:27:44Z
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@kev I use Linux since the '90s and, except for a parenthesis in MacOS, I've never looked back. I sometimes used Windows at work (being forced by company policies), and I simply feel handicapped there.I think the major problem of people "loosing time" on Linux is distro hopping and things like that.For me, ArchLinux works well. It is flexible enough when I need to customize and, paired with i3, makes my workflow smooth.
(DIR) Post #A9AkBhaJFj3oY72HZY by simon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T07:36:08Z
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@kev wow, that's a "coming out of the closet" post. I look forward to the "I've had it with windows" in about 6 months after trying to install jupyter notebook, or one more critical CVE. 😂🤣
(DIR) Post #A9AmkzBI1NC3ARHkhs by rzg@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:04:53Z
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@kev "Freedom is so difficult, I wish everything was decided for me, so much more convenient." 😔
(DIR) Post #A9AnL5dLVZPrbXcl9M by MrDers@fosstodon.org
2021-07-10T22:48:33Z
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@fedops @kev I don't have the same experience at all with Linux on the desktop. But I've got a System76. I might also just stick with the standard basic apps and have no issues. Corporate Windows on the other hand. I hear Windows 10 for home is actually quite good
(DIR) Post #A9AnL663moNv2b3guG by gray@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T06:27:30Z
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@MrDers @fedops @kev For the most part, Windows in a large environment is pretty well behaved, and does what it’s told. It’s far easier to manage than people realise. Mainly because that’s precisely what it was designed for.Windows 10 for home use is similar, providing you’re not actually using the Home version. That thing can be a pain in the backside.
(DIR) Post #A9AnL6aXxSlsZ9K2QS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:11:25Z
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@gray yup. I’m using the Pro version.@MrDers @fedops
(DIR) Post #A9AnYil1MGdii2iJvc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:13:56Z
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@koreymoffett “outlook” pun intended? 😂😂
(DIR) Post #A9ApMyTdHsEztc6i7E by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2021-07-11T08:34:09Z
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@kev get a mac. Done
(DIR) Post #A9AqFJTnPrAkfj5ubY by uglyhack@mastodon.technology
2021-07-11T08:43:48Z
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@kevI use Windows at work, so in my head I head I hear "You'll be back..." from Hamilton. I could very much be wrong (just like the guy singing that song in Hamilton)
(DIR) Post #A9Ar59LmK0SgJa3tK4 by dyamon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:53:21Z
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@kev it seems like you are trying to force a Windows workflow into multiple different Linux distros (which all come with their own way of doing things).If, after 10+ years of Linux, you haven't figure out a confortable way to sync notes without installing a desktop app, it was about time you changed to something closer to your workflow.
(DIR) Post #A9ArExy5UkMtuSf4Rk by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:55:09Z
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@ramsey hear, hear.@danjones000
(DIR) Post #A9ArKShCg4TkeqNtyK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:56:12Z
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@stujr will it run on the T410?
(DIR) Post #A9ArQNFvodjFWXRnuq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:57:14Z
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@joeligj12 😂😂😂😂Ohhhh a blog on blogger, now there’s a thought! 😳
(DIR) Post #A9ArWIZo7uh0kSZMLg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:58:19Z
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@Cambria you know, I’ve never tried an Arch derivative, except Manjaro in a VM for 10 mins. I’ll have to give them a try at some point.
(DIR) Post #A9ArdFs8a0RoO7SaG0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:59:28Z
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@RTP ONE MILLION DOLLARS </ dr evil>
(DIR) Post #A9Ari3edQsiHwXR0aG by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:00:16Z
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@nihar it’s a shame you’ve had that experience. Luckily I haven’t. It’s good that we all have choice to use what works best for us.
(DIR) Post #A9ArkMCvQKW440ZOkK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:00:48Z
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@brandon exactly, mate.
(DIR) Post #A9ArqLBK9Og2cTfrG4 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:01:35Z
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@celia exactly. It’s the most important thing in my book. 😊
(DIR) Post #A9ArvsiqsGIi5mzydc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:02:56Z
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@kungtotte it’s a breath of fresh air, isn’t it. I was expecting lots of little issues when I installed 10 on my laptop. But as I went on, it was clear how easy it all was and that it was the right call for me.
(DIR) Post #A9AsKDq80nk6XL0ayu by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:07:20Z
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@jeng I thought the name of this instance was Fosstodon, not Linuxodon? I didn’t realise it was a prerequisite to run Linux here, and I literally wrote our CoC!Lucky for me this isn’t Linuxodon and I can run open source software on Windows, which I do. 👍Fosstodon is VERY different than places like /r/Linux we’re not elitists and we encourage people to run what they want/need to run all while seeing the benefits of OSS.
(DIR) Post #A9AsSQ3UTkHAjtARKy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:08:47Z
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@ikt no idea. It’s always done it on both my machines. 90% of the time when I open it, it opens kinda half maximised, half minimised and the screen is flickering. I restart FF and all is well.
(DIR) Post #A9AsUTMLAJobZ7xmqm by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:09:16Z
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@ikt it’s probably misbehaving with something else I have installed, but back to my previous point, I don’t have time to troubleshoot it. 😢
(DIR) Post #A9AsgIj2WmVa3nDlUu by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:11:19Z
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@RyuKurisu thanks Chris. I haven’t tried Solus for a good 3-4 years. It was beautiful last time I tried it (ran it for a few months). IIRC I stopped using it because there weren’t some packages that I needed available. I could be wrong there though, it was a long time ago.I’ll have to download it again and try it out when I get time.
(DIR) Post #A9Ask2OrASDKaNYvFQ by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:11:54Z
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@oros because FOSS and Linux aren’t synonymous? 😊
(DIR) Post #A9AsoxeKG0oVIg95Ci by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:12:53Z
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@pheonix absolutely. Both OSs are fantastic, but for very different reasons. I love that we have the choice.
(DIR) Post #A9AsqpCKePLXfRwMfw by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:13:06Z
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@foo_dogsquared 😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #A9AswYHaSDU6wY84eW by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:14:14Z
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@simon haha we’ll see! You know what I’m like for changing my mind on stuff!
(DIR) Post #A9AszuIV3nny5c9jxA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:14:48Z
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@marc0janssen been really thinking about that, you know.
(DIR) Post #A9AtBP3b2MXGfrfPDE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:16:58Z
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@dyamon it wasn’t about syncing notes. That’s was a very small recent example that I think made the point quite well. Maybe not though…My workflow is pretty much OS agnostic to be honest. As long as the taskbar/panel is at the top of the screen, and I can hit super key and search for applications, I’m pretty much good.The issue isn’t about workflow. Is about issues at the application layer.
(DIR) Post #A9AtboybI9oIahvXpw by rohkostmett@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:21:37Z
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@kev I had similar experiences lately. I switched back to Windows 11 and just used the free time to read more or spend time with my wife.
(DIR) Post #A9AtkCO48RYpVypi5I by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T09:23:10Z
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@rohkostmett and who on earth could whole that against you. That’s so important.
(DIR) Post #A9AuyyEP9G8puQvCsa by janriemer@mastodon.technology
2021-07-11T09:37:06Z
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@kev You are speaking right from my soul!It's all about the _experience_ we have with an OS/app.The majority of people just want to get things done. They don't care about "configuring the package repository" or "tweaking the settings in the sub-sub-sub menu". They have far more important things to do. Defaults are so important!Time is precious! ✨ We must not waste it!Thank you so much for writing this!❤️ Regarding your question at the end: I'm using Windows and Linux in Dual-Boot mode.
(DIR) Post #A9AzYDiNyLYvsn0cBk by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T10:28:19Z
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@kev I didn't have issues as such installing Linux, it was more things like the ones you brought up that crop up after. Just tons of friction.Also installing on a laptop has never been fun times with Linux. Yeah it runs off the liveCD but your wifi doesn't work after installing because it didn't load the right kernel module and you can't just pop the install media in again and get it from there because why would the most obvious solution just work?
(DIR) Post #A9B0919tcRtleeQIFc by tomdeb@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T10:34:52Z
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@kev @dyamon I think agree with his workflow ... my workflow for taking notes is a bunch of text files synced with git. so if I need to take notes I open vim. I think you also confuse application and interface.
(DIR) Post #A9B1NPB3DOs29hO5ZY by ttiurani@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T10:48:44Z
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@kev Brave post and I can totally respect your choice! The root cause behind your problems is IMO how application packaging for linux is still terrible. Linus rants about it here:https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Pzl1B7nB9Kcp.s. Personally I'm using OSX because I need to build for iOS and there is no dual boot for the MBP I bought 2 years ago. Because I want to keep my environmental stress low, I won't be buying a new laptop hopefully for at least 5 years, so now I just use a headless qemu #arch linux guest.
(DIR) Post #A9B1jbtGd1pnxIepWq by AAMfP@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T10:52:46Z
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@kevSame needs and reasons for me. Japanese wife: I need a simple PC that I can almost configure blindly in Japanese language by copying mine from Italian. No issues, no problems. Considering she possibly can't distinguish between "the internet" and an email client, Windows is the proper choice.But, as soon as I have time, I'm going to prepare some kind of Linux distro for my boy (not yet 6yo) to teach him the mechanisms of a computer.
(DIR) Post #A9B5u8snDabezYiHfk by cygnusx11@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T11:39:25Z
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@kevGood for you mate. You do what you want and have fun. I have three systems with multiple #windows versions on one, #arch w/#icewm and #twm on another and #linuxfromscratch w/#pekwm on the other. Each serves a purpose. It’s all about choice and what works for you.
(DIR) Post #A9B6ZVw0PuFqMIwZI8 by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T11:46:56Z
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@kev @oros Windows and FOSS are for sure not synonymous.
(DIR) Post #A9B7HjOpiQy4rSVnGq by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T11:54:55Z
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@kevApp availability is still a problem on linux, sadly. One of the main reasons I stay with arch based distros is the AUR support. Its not perfect, but it works. I think this is also telling something, instead of focusing on linux distros and such, maybe we should be focusing more on the apps.Software should be making our lives easier, not the other way around. So I understand why you had to do this 🙃BTW, why don't you dual boot and have the best of both worlds ? Just curious 🤔
(DIR) Post #A9B8CKOTMKfLoUKYNc by strawberryfieldsforever@koyu.space
2021-07-11T12:05:07Z
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@kev Haha! 👍 I did the same just 2 days ago! 😁
(DIR) Post #A9BBUgJwsDL6tTeqMi by lhinderberger@social.anoxinon.de
2021-07-11T12:42:04Z
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@kev I'd really like to go back to Linux, but a real deal-breaker for me is the unavailability of some of my most-used productivity apps: MS Office and Affinity Photo/Designer. Sure, there's LibreOffice, GIMP and Inkscape. But I've often had reliability and performance issues with LibreOffice. And while GIMP and Inkscape are fine tools, their user interfaces don't give me nearly the same level of intuitive productivity as Affinity does, which I am willing to pay a premium for.
(DIR) Post #A9BBpC9eE2trPscZuK by dallin@social.librem.one
2021-07-11T12:45:42Z
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@kev your experience is much like mine. I believe in and try to support free software, but the opportunity cost of desktop Linux is still too high for me. I do try to use FOSS apps on Win10 whenever possible.
(DIR) Post #A9BCBEsukulKFqJ172 by ryan@social.binarydad.com
2021-07-11T12:49:47Z
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@kev I'm with you, though I have not attempted to run Linux as my main desktops. I use Windows 10 as desktops for the family, but of run over a dozen Ubuntu/other server VMs for various self-hosted projects. My mastodon instance is on a Debian VM, though the physical host for this (and the rest) is a Hyper-V server.
(DIR) Post #A9BEei3tYSBz3Hcdk0 by stujr@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T13:17:34Z
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@kev actually it won’t so W10 will stay on it or I may try out Manjaro
(DIR) Post #A9BEh1twlLnTA84jE8 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2021-07-11T13:17:51Z
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@kev My main reaction to this is "oh, this guy must never have developed anything against native OS APIs"
(DIR) Post #A9BFivPnwtpxZyRbJA by nodq@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T13:29:26Z
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@kev thats nothing unusual. At home I use windows 10 too. Why? Because I buy very expensive hardware and my hobby is gaming on PC. I sacrifice little bit of privacy to have my hardware running at full capacity with all feature and all my games I want to play. Really private stuff I would do on a virtual machine or my Linux notebook. People are just too fanatic about Linux sometimes. Of course I only run Linux on all of my servers.
(DIR) Post #A9BG6f1EYsorg2GlNI by RyuKurisu@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T13:33:46Z
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@kev with their compiled apps and Flatpaks, you come a long way nowadays 😎👍
(DIR) Post #A9BGlCLK5D4Mc3zn4y by stujr@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T13:41:08Z
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@kev I’m actually not too sure if W11 will run but I’m going to try definitely!!!
(DIR) Post #A9BHk8bEcCcQfSUqOm by minkiu@mastodon.social
2021-07-11T13:52:06Z
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@kev if you ever decide to come round again, might be worth checking out an OS-tree based distro (such as fedora silverblue) which will only allow you to install stuff as flatpak, which at the writing of this is probably the one with more adoption (vs snap and appimage) and tends to work out of the box most of the time (including themeing).Enjoy the ride on Windows!
(DIR) Post #A9BLjlDfwPG1yMYJhw by przemek@kosmos.social
2021-07-11T14:36:52Z
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@kev I started using Linux in 2000. Around 2009 I dual-booted with Windows. Few years later I switched to Windows only, because having two systems was a waste of space. A year ago I’ve got RPi 400 which I use to play with Linux, but my main PC is Windows-powered with Office 365 and OneDrive. It just works completely hassle-free. Also, Linux is unusable for professional graphic and editorial design (and I don’t use Adobe).
(DIR) Post #A9BM5qRrBJ2MYmiTNQ by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T08:43:59Z
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@Mundon yeah if you're interested in getting stuff done with specific applications.If your interest lies in the OS itself, or in things like security, routing, ... its a different story. And of course those are valid use cases also.@kev
(DIR) Post #A9BNnL7T7eHC5iU3DU by koreymoffett@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T14:59:54Z
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@kev No actually it wasn't intended but I'm happy it turned out that way haha
(DIR) Post #A9BOXXGiHhPT5kpsFU by greypilgrim@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T15:08:09Z
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@kev Of course I can respect your choice of how you want to spend time on your computer, but it does mean we’re not the same group anymore.
(DIR) Post #A9BOZa6UiLhGSq20S8 by JodiFOSSter@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T15:08:44Z
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@kev sad
(DIR) Post #A9BT24midUwtXpcmAq by knotzel@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T15:58:36Z
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@kev you got me with scenario 1, I was intending to switch from Windows to Ubuntu... I'll take another few month to think about it. I also fully go with you that tinkering or family time gets priority when kids are there. Thank you for this real life case.
(DIR) Post #A9BVJuNyEqOSPfgBVo by TrechNex@queer.party
2021-07-11T16:23:46Z
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@kev if you’re going “full Windows power user” I recommend giving PowerToys a look. It’s got a lot of handy extra utilities that you might have taken for granted on the Linux/BSD desktops: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/Also, re: package managers you’re actually incorrect. There’s WinGet, Chocolatey & Scoop. I personally prefer WinGet, because it installs sandboxed MSIX files like the Store does, and it doesn’t make third-party AV programs freak out.See also: WSL2 & Windows Sandbox
(DIR) Post #A9BVVmVXM1lRSGscUK by TrechNex@queer.party
2021-07-11T16:26:21Z
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@kev if you’re going “full Windows power user” I recommend giving PowerToys a look. It’s got a lot of handy extra utilities that you might have taken for granted on the Linux/BSD desktops: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/Also, re: package managers you’re actually incorrect. There’s WinGet, Chocolatey & Scoop. I personally prefer WinGet, because it installs sandboxed MSIX files like the Store does, and it doesn’t make third-party AV programs freak out.See also: WSL2, PowerShell & Windows Sandbox
(DIR) Post #A9BaApJoCxj9rWDnlY by selea@social.linux.pizza
2021-07-11T17:18:40Z
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@kev This is why I run Windows at work. Since I dont want to waste time on getting shit to work in Active Directory for example
(DIR) Post #A9Babr0y0gVOwQIQ5I by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-07-11T17:23:22Z
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@selea @kev there are package managers on Windows now (chocolatey, which is unofficial, and... what's the MS reimplementation called? Nupkg?)Hope you found a setup that works for you, and... there's always WSL
(DIR) Post #A9BbWirez69GAd3m6q by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-07-11T17:33:28Z
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@kev @gray @MrDers @fedops it... depends. There's a lot of security solutions for macOS and Windows that are not very well behaved, and those tend to be found in corporate deployments. So in such environments, Linux might be both trickier to set up and yet more efficient and reliable
(DIR) Post #A9BegBJItOZ2rXBxb6 by dyamon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T18:09:08Z
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@kev Sadly I can't comment on apps because they are very specific to each person (and their job). Installation problems can be a real pain, and sometimes there is no way around them (especially when the software is proprietary).On the notes sync example: I understand that's not the problem, still it highlights how a " Linux approach" would be different: synching and taking notes are different tasks handled by different tools.
(DIR) Post #A9BiQ4EnouWe6ues6q by thorn@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T18:50:49Z
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@kev funny read. Don't forget to toot when you learn to find out why is Windows 10 crunching the hard drive for 30 minutes after each boot.
(DIR) Post #A9BlAnGuusdf0i3WTI by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:21:46Z
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@kev So to sum your goodbye-rant up: It's not Linux on its own, it's rather the Linux-Ecosystem, that got you fed up, because it is time consuming, and you did not ask it to consume your time.That is simply put true.I, on the other hand, am someone who still - besides also having time with family and such - prefers to be in control over my devices, than the other way around. I felt so imprisoned, when I began using that IPad, that I thought "no surprise, they call it »Jailbreaking«”.
(DIR) Post #A9BltPTeEOKaFBHkKe by yyp@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:29:53Z
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@kev Understandable. If you want to have a "just works" system, Windows does this a bit better than most Linux desktops. Not that it is for me personally because of it being slow-ish on my laptop. It's a bit sad to see people leaving Linux but again, this is a reasonable move if convenience is the priority.
(DIR) Post #A9C5y0sB8R2uSxEQFs by threed@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-07-11T23:14:53Z
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@kev one test that everyone can do for themselves is logging down how much time you spend getting Linux to work (tweaks, improvements, optimizations...) versus how much time you spend doing anything with Linux.
(DIR) Post #A9CFILc0dUiKAORJke by ggarron@masto.one
2021-07-12T00:59:25Z
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@kev The good thing Kev, is that you can install Ubuntu on Windows. As soon as I was able to do it, I moved to windows, and turn on Ubuntu on Windows when I need it.
(DIR) Post #A9CJmDrGQfUace4lNI by yojimbo@hackers.town
2021-07-12T01:49:33Z
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@kev It's interesting, because I've spent the last few years with Windows 10 on the desktop, because if the support for the games that my kids wanted to play, and have just recently returned to Linux.The reasons you give to leave Linux are pretty much the same reasons that I had for leaving Windows. The benefits are broadly the same in both directions too.My solution to having more time to spend with family and lest time messing with technology was simply to stop messing with the computer so much. If there was a new interesting piece of software over there - ignore it. I'd have to have an actual new requirement for my machine to use a new piece of software. That simplification made the most difference to my time.
(DIR) Post #A9CiQakx6xaE7guEsq by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T06:25:35Z
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Snap is a package distribution medium for CLI and server softwares, such as LXC and Nextcloud, not GUI apps. Everyone who say it can be compared to Flatpak is lying because they don't realize how different Flatpak and Snap are.Setting up Flatpak integration is more involved then setting up AppImage integration. In fact I am avoiding Snap and Flatpak in favor of AppImage. Grass has never been greener on Linux for me until I became the AppImage guy.@kev
(DIR) Post #A9CjvFMommrAiUnaN6 by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-07-12T06:42:45Z
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@murtezayesil @kev sadly Canonical markets it for desktop apps now (after Snappy Core didn't really take off?). I still have unpleasant flashback about that Spotify snap package that bind-mounted over /etc.Fedora's snapd is now constrained using SELinux (thanks @Conan_Kudo !) so hopefully on systems with it set to targeted (the default) snaps are less crazy
(DIR) Post #A9Ck0th8HB4PEqzkcy by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T06:43:47Z
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Steps to using any AppImage:0. Install "AppImage Launcher" (once)1. Move .AppImage executable to ~/Applications (once for each .AppImage file)2. Open the application from the application launcher/start menu.Pros:1. No sudo needed.2. Installation basically is "Download and move the file".3. Can keep older versions of the software if newer versions have problems.4. Easy to isolate applications in firejail for better privacy https://fosstodon.org/@murtezayesil/105599480267452498@kev
(DIR) Post #A9CkeibUvmbEQMLc80 by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T06:50:59Z
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Cons:1. Updates are checked when application is launched, not with the rest of the system.2. AppImage version is written next to App name in application launcher/start menu.@kev
(DIR) Post #A9CljTe64X03R0OdJg by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:03:03Z
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@michel_slmOf course it wasn't gonna take off. There still are so many people who aren't running servers and server admins would rather maintain existing systems rather than switching to snap versions immediately. Server space moves slower than clients.AMD's Zen based Epic server CPUs are still playing catch up to Intel server CPUs. Because companies won't update their stuff unless absolutely necessary.Canonical has a bad habit of rushing things.@kev @Conan_Kudo
(DIR) Post #A9ClpPJb5PGFjzdSSG by Ramiferous@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:03:34Z
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@kev No one here is going to give you a hard time for choosing to prioritize time with your family over troubleshooting Linux packages. Windows was good once, back before the telemetry and spyware and forces system updates that do more harm than good. Take all that stuff away and it's still an excellent system. I personally prefer having the level of control Linux and BSD afford me with. Good luck with it and enjoy your walk!
(DIR) Post #A9CoV36EH0p2uYMnS4 by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2021-07-12T07:33:48Z
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@kev So, will you step out as Fosstodon admin ?
(DIR) Post #A9CofdpGa2dDiCU1j6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:35:47Z
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@lienrag why would I do that?
(DIR) Post #A9CpMcemnokEXR4msy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:43:36Z
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@ggarron yeah, I hear a lot of folk doing that. I'm not sure what the use case would be for me though...bash scripting maybe?
(DIR) Post #A9CpeKiIFpxk6HA5nE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:46:38Z
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@manual it's definitely got better. It's fantastic. But for me, it's just too much work to maintain a daily driver. :(
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4u6LJ0onNo53RI by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:26:08Z
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@kev But I also do not face the issue of needing to get something working at the time, which I want to spend with my family (or do something else), I can shift system play time to whenever I want, or not do it at all if I think it's not important enough for me.But I think what you describe is just one symptom, not the cause.The cause in my opinion is general bad support for open source software.That again is (also) caused by bad global weighting of money spend for software development.
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4ucxLkuF0xL6H2 by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:29:51Z
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@kev I work professionally with Software-Asset-Management, which means, that I can glimpse on what is important to big companies to track what they are spending and where.The thing is: Combined they spend milliards for companies like Oracle, Amazon and Microsoft, well no surprise these companies are able to fix issues in their package ecosystem.Compare that to the open source environment.
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4vJ8oueN7n4n1k by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:32:04Z
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@kev I usually make this joke:"The good thing about linux is, that you can resolve every issue on your own""The Bad thing about linux is, that you have to resolve every issue on your own"I can totally understand, if you just give up doing that.
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4vqSp1Iyn8fOy0 by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:36:44Z
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@kev There is an other comparison, that I use to make:using open source is like using public transportation, while using closed source is like using private cars.If everyone uses private cars, the producers of the cars get rich, and every intersection is trafficjammed with cars, and you cannot avoid using one yourself.If everyone would use public transportation, the whole system would be much cheaper, and perform better.I want to get better compensations for open source software.
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4wMMuOpGO5ashE by mohs@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T19:37:54Z
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@kev Writing and maintaining open source software is a public service. But it is not treated with that respect. It is barely possible to get paid for doing that, although it is the right thing to do.
(DIR) Post #A9Cq4wv6pEcC7pqcqW by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:51:22Z
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@mohs I like the analogies you made, they're accurate, I think.The problem for me, I think, compared to your situation is that you're willing to move "tinkering time" to another time. I have no inclination to tinker. I feel there are much more important things I could be doing.I wouldn't call my post a rant. I don't feel I was unjustly unfair on Linux. It's a great ecosystem. It just doesn't meet my needs at the moment.
(DIR) Post #A9CqLWQUa8wasZQgqW by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T07:54:28Z
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@thorn it's been fine for the last few years on my desktop...Glad you found it funny. 👍
(DIR) Post #A9Cr9PCxh2vYyHt3fk by jase@social.x220.co.uk
2021-07-11T18:43:35.062799Z
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@kevSince 2003/4 Ive been a Linux user, beta tester, a distro forum moderator, a distro admin/Dev, and then a Linux user again, for many of the earlier years I was 'that' Linux user, the hardcore GPL, free software fundamentalist.Ive noticed/felt that over the past couple of years or so that somthing changed with the 'feel' of Linux in general, I still love and care about FOSS, FLOSS and open source, but not as passionately.I now have 2 windows installs (gasp!). One dual booted with a mainstream Linux Distro, the another FreeBSD.I recently purchased a Huion Kamvas 13 art tablet for my daughter, which can be used on Linux, but only with a massive investment of time.It was quicker and easier to migrate her machine and data to Windows... yukI really don't like Windows, I think its install process is a poor UX, installing windows makes me feel sad and finding the legit install source for some apps a PITA, but it made my daughter very happy.Im not sure if its my age, or a change in the way the Linux 'community' is, but from my point of view, somthing has been missing for the last 2 years or so.I actually think {Free,Open,Net,Dragonfly}BSD have a better 'feel' surrounding them at the moment.So yeah, I can understand the move to Windows.
(DIR) Post #A9Cr9PfJzbc2OF9hsO by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:03:30Z
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@Jase I think that the Linux community needs to start pulling in the same direction and stop this "I can do it better" culture.It's the simultaneously a strength and a curse of the ecosystem and exactly why we have goodness know how many DE and package managers.I'm not saying we should have 1 of everything, but do we need so many?
(DIR) Post #A9CrNbpLZYVqAAc8g4 by dyamon@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T18:11:18Z
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@kev When someone is introduced to Linux, the first thing you tell them is "don't try to replicate your Windows workflow, it won't work that way". In the same way I'd be skeptical of an "OS agnostic" workflow. :heart_gentoo:
(DIR) Post #A9CrNcIloA33dQNdXU by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:05:50Z
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@dyamon maybe I'm fooling myself, I dunno. It certainly feels relatrively OS agnostic to me though.
(DIR) Post #A9CrgtNiWv3O6osxeq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:09:01Z
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@TrechNex I'll check out PowerToys, thanks.I was aware of Chocolately, but I was referring to the lack of an official package manager.
(DIR) Post #A9CthwC5l5S31u4eQK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:32:14Z
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@knotzel glad it helped, but please don't let this post put you off Ubuntu. It's a fantastic OS and your use case may be different than mine, so may not have the same issues. 🙂
(DIR) Post #A9CtqRWX9vwAVugux6 by Phaserune@boosterfive.com
2021-07-11T14:06:10Z
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@kev what you are saying rings true. I also just got tired trying to get hardware working or getting the same features with hardware on Linux. What is important about Linux is Wine/Proton. It is important that the massive wealth of windows software is not trapped on Windows should Microsoft continue to erode privacy on the platform. That said check out WPD and Tinywall for Windows privacy.
(DIR) Post #A9CtqRzFRAuDwy7qi0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:33:48Z
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@Phaserune I'll check those out, thanks.
(DIR) Post #A9Cur60cjfoM1ydn5U by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:44:56Z
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@Phaserune WPD is brilliant. Thank you!
(DIR) Post #A9CuyoooX7yh23ncgK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:46:30Z
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@jens correct. I'm not a developer so...
(DIR) Post #A9Cv4MmZgSaLojOgwy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:47:29Z
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@dallin yeah, same here.
(DIR) Post #A9CvFPlAxDTuEl0kN6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:49:14Z
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@lhinderberger I actually use GIMP and Inkscape all the time, but I'm not a pro designer (far from it) and they're the tools I learned from the outset as I didn't want to shell out for pro software.I suppose it's all about what we're comfortable using. 🙂
(DIR) Post #A9CvQzYwBIJaSio6ym by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:51:28Z
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@futureisfoss I've tried dual booting, but it's just another headache I'd have to deal with. I'd have 2 OS's to maintain then. I know what I'm like, I'd have my preference and only ever boot into that OS.
(DIR) Post #A9CvYlKOzL5GdDiJF2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:52:57Z
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@sheogorath hahaha I've never been known for my motivational speeches.Incessant moaning on the other hand, I'm all over that!
(DIR) Post #A9CvqRLM1t4NrYaXtA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:56:10Z
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@tomdeb I don't think I do. Some of my issues have been how the application integrates with the OS. I'm not talking notifications etc. (that would be UI) I'm talking the ability to parse the local drive due to container restrictions etc. or being able to successfully launch the application at all.That's how I use my wiki basically - a bunch of .md files on a repo. But I like the ability to open an app, type something out, and have it synced.@dyamon
(DIR) Post #A9CvugCwhpc77dg2nQ by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-07-12T08:56:35Z
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@kev it says a lot about the (d)evolution of the Linux ecosystem if installing applications is now less confusing in Windows than in Linux.I was never a fan of snaps, flatpaks, and appimages. It's interesting to hear I am not alone in this.Thanks for sharing!
(DIR) Post #A9CvzH9xGJYystTBCa by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:57:31Z
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@kungtotte oh yeah, installation of the OS is always a breeze in my experience. It's the death by a thousand cuts that's follows that pains me.
(DIR) Post #A9CwB7AiDqIbNnT9Hs by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T08:59:57Z
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@rysiek yeah, it's a shame. It's made even more complicated by the fact that apt-get instal... now defaults to Snap packages in Ubuntu. If there isn't one, it installs the deb.I don't have a problem with Snaps as such. They're a great concept, but I've had A LOT of issues with them. Mainly performance (taking an age to load initially, but they they're fine) and the lack of theming.
(DIR) Post #A9CwR3RBsEX4R0mG8m by alice@bidule.menf.in
2021-07-12T09:02:58.141474Z
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@rysiek @kev It says a lot of the efficiency of closed gardens. But still an interesting read, thank you very much for sharing your experience !
(DIR) Post #A9CwlpOZHHk2xrSLs8 by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2021-07-11T13:36:40Z
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@hund @kev @oros you can still advocate FOSS while running a proprietary OS.Stop gatekeeping.
(DIR) Post #A9Cx8Cj5DNHbh8ioue by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-07-12T09:10:25Z
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@kev to me it feels like snaps, flatpaks, and appimages are the result of someone looking at package management, finding one or two things they don't like, and going "oh this is easy, I can fix it."Years later turns out package management is Actually Hard.Reminds me of this XKCD:
(DIR) Post #A9CxBBAlRmkrkH5WbY by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-07-12T09:11:02Z
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@kev to me it feels like snaps, flatpaks, and appimages are the result of someone looking at package management, finding one or two things they don't like, and going "oh this is easy, I can fix it."Years later turns out package management is Actually Hard.Reminds me of this XKCD:
(DIR) Post #A9CyBrmN8XpZqEZQjg by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2021-07-12T09:22:17Z
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@kev and that's fine.Your arguments for this boil down to this: your comfort in installing software is important to you, which is fair. It's also valid criticism of the FOSS ecosystem.The developers who are subjected to the pain of Windows development don't enter the equation for you, which... well, a lot of words could be lost on that, but it's not what you'd call considerate.It's just to give you perspective, if you do get adverse reactions from people.
(DIR) Post #A9CyCDvgmaM6XV6BJQ by a1batross@expired.mentality.rip
2021-07-12T09:22:41.295625Z
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@kev ohhhhhhhhhh, it's that kind of thread. :)As a dev, my frustration is that there is too much distributions. But to be honest, I was never forced to use snap, fatpack or appimage. I just don't. There is no snap or fatpack on my machine. There is almost no appimages on my machine too!If there is awesome software, somebody already packaged it. If not, I will build it myself and use checkinstall.Funny but I started using Linux in 2010 too. I agree, time is precious. I ran Gentoo when I was in school and had a lot free time. Now I use Kubuntu and don't care about how it works because it just _does_.Yes, Windows has that standardization feeling because indeed they kinda have. But for me, it wasn't that time saving as you tell. For example, on my laptop, Windows was trying to install audio driver from Windows Update. It's cool right? Not quite. It was too buggy and the quality worsen a lot. The only way to stop Windows doing that is to break updates. Just never allow them.Also, developing software on Windows is very bad. At least I need good terminal and only WSL2 can provide it to me which is basically just Linux. :)The only thing Windows good at is VR games. I tried them under Linux, it's no good and it was basically first time I had nausea in VR. I don't know how to explain that but on your example with Standard Notes, I would not use that and not because it's bad on Linux. It's just written in JavaScript and I don't believe that most JavaScript programmers can write good code. What I'm trying to tell, that both on Linux and Windows you have to be very picky about software you use and even better if you just take the best of two worlds. Welcome to modern IT.
(DIR) Post #A9CznWeCFjkFGDGeLw by ScottMortimer@infosec.exchange
2021-07-12T09:40:22Z
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@kev@ggarronHere is a great use for WSL2: https://www.kali.org/docs/wsl/win-kex/
(DIR) Post #A9D0STudKGWQeRU7yS by screenbeard@aus.social
2021-07-12T09:47:47Z
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@kev I completely get it. I've only recently found some sort of equilibrium by using Debian and Deb packages for packages that absolutely will not work as flatpak (pretty much just VS Code), and flatpak for everything else including Firefox. It took me time at the start to get theming working and work out how to make drag and drop work, but I'm mostly happy with it. But you're 100% right it could be better. I also refuse to install any version of Python except in a container.
(DIR) Post #A9D2NYsRdicYVeF852 by hyperlinkyourheart@mastodon.art
2021-07-12T10:09:18Z
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@kev Understandable. I switched to MacOS for a few years for the same reason, but then got tempted back by a laptop with Linux pre-installed, which has been a good experience so far. If I ever upgrade or switch distro on it I expect it will be a roll of the dice as to whether I continue to have full hardware support and stability...On the other hand I run Windows 10 in a VM for work stuff and in recent months it just grinds to a halt for extended periods with no obvious cause 🤷♂️ Software sucks
(DIR) Post #A9D77D0PgmgJoVzZ7w by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T11:02:20Z
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@miklo bullshit. If I can do all the things I need to do, with little to no friction then it's all good with me.@danielfgom
(DIR) Post #A9D7QQHcY17KUmCcng by Dashtop@mastodon.online
2021-07-12T11:05:53Z
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@kev I don't have theming issues. But I have other issues for which I may switch to amoleathed windows or if someone ever gives me(unlikely) macOS.- Garbage graphic rendering- Garbage audio rendering- Garbage process management(compared to android, chromeOS, mac, iOS)- Too much CL lovers fuss- Not enough easily doable 'real' customization: like AHK
(DIR) Post #A9D8kr9ATkDrYcYXi4 by pankraz@freunde.ma-nic.de
2021-07-12T11:19:27Z
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Yes, unified package formats make life easier for developers, not for users.However, Flatpak has a simple text file (.flatpakref file), which developers can post on their website. It contains the update URL, the required base image, the gpg key,... The user clicks on it and Discover (and hopefully other Package Managers) installs everything automagically.
(DIR) Post #A9D9cfAbDzYo36sn5s by gytis@mastodon.lt
2021-07-12T11:30:30Z
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@kev Why not macOS then? At least it is Unix compliant 🤔
(DIR) Post #A9DFI0A4aDDUnTAS0m by billy@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T12:33:28Z
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@kev I actually switched from Linux to Windows too, and for very similar reasons. At the end of the day I also found that almost all of the programs I use on a daily basis are things like chrome and Android studio, so there was nothing really special that the Linux desktop offered me. I also play games on steam which of course is a million times easier on windows.
(DIR) Post #A9DFZjJzvrA7mVGOYq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T12:37:06Z
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@gytis I'm seriously thinking about getting a Macbook as my next laptop.
(DIR) Post #A9DFuoWFnoYvz038ca by billy@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T12:34:30Z
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@kev On the topic of privacy, your cellphone probably leaks far more damning information than the desktop ever could dream of doing anyways, so I personally feel that it's a pointless endeavor to pursue.
(DIR) Post #A9DFuoyG7gxpNr9VGy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T12:41:03Z
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@billy you know, that's a great point. I never thought about it that way...
(DIR) Post #A9DHLmqWEOHcZBxD1M by billy@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T12:57:05Z
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@kev Yeah, doesn't really matter if it's android, ios, or a dumb phone, the cellular networks (at least in the US) compile your location data by triangulation between multiple towers and often share that with the government or sell it to data brokers. Where you are, who you're with, for how long, etc is probably more invasive than just what apps you open on your computer. Then there's the topic of Bluetooth beacons and this doesn't even consider all of the apps people install
(DIR) Post #A9DLDZ06Dx417qlls8 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2021-07-12T13:40:39Z
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@kev @rysiek Canonical started doing that because they offer 5 years LTS and enterprise deals of 5 years, and it was becoming difficult to offer stable 5 year old releases and at the sime time complay with some paying client's demands to have the latest version of Chromium. Maybe the lesson for canonical should have been, don't offer 5 years LTS fr desktop, and no not screw up APT
(DIR) Post #A9DOVWLb7whLyJ4zRo by Coneng@fosstodon.org
2021-07-12T14:17:06Z
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@kev have you tried using a GNU/Linux laptop like System76 or Tuxedo? Did you try using a distribution that is Not *ubuntu? Using proprietary software is not just affect privacy! At the end if you want mainly convenience then giveaway your data or a better compromise buy Gnu/Linux support as some distros offer support.
(DIR) Post #A9DoBynMFNjLDXPH9c by gytis@mastodon.lt
2021-07-12T19:05:05Z
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@kev MacBook Pro with M1 (arm64) has tremendous battery life 👍
(DIR) Post #A9EfGP0u0LMNGGjhOi by swansinflight@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T04:59:22Z
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@kev when I built my new PC I went Win10. Because.. gaming, really. Why build a new PC that is game capable then not be able to use for the latest and greatest.I also do photography, so, I got Lightroom and Photo Mechanic set up, tweaked to what I thought would make them usable for me... and I hate both of them.I absolutely love Rapid-Photo-Downloader for its better options than Photo Mechanic, Geeqie for it's ease of culling the imported images, 1/2
(DIR) Post #A9EfnGFXbqQ3dYFeWO by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2021-07-13T05:05:38Z
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@kev Arch users be like: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/standardnotes-desktop
(DIR) Post #A9EonBiHNJm39ejXFY by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T06:46:33Z
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@Coneng my laptop is an all intel thinkpad so pretty much as compatible as they come.I mention Fedora in the article. I’ve also tried Solus a few years ago.
(DIR) Post #A9EqYonbyJhJwUVGim by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-07-13T07:06:21Z
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@kev It seems I'm rather late to the party, but I wanted to write anyway, I use a lean system I don't need many things, so linux works for me, now I do agree with you, whatever you can do to maximise time with the family and minimize frustrations, you still have wsl to play with, I just can't say anything bad about it, do what makes you bee the most productive and lets you spend time on what really means something to you :) A computer will never love you back ;)
(DIR) Post #A9G4Cd3AZDOreI3Ogi by ggarron@masto.one
2021-07-13T21:13:53Z
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@kev My blog is on middleman. So I run it there. When I eventually write something.
(DIR) Post #A9J2PBmJeoh2OgubMu by richard@mastodon.art
2021-07-15T07:37:52Z
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@kev Well, here's one: There is one problem with all of this. The ignorance. You have the time. You do. You write posts, you reply etc. Setting up Linux is all about being able to read and write. I have found that basically everything is supported by now. My desktop experience is the best ever (that due to me investing time, true). You are just lazy and ignorant. I am sad to read you promote this evil nonsense. Yeah, I oppose in all forms. I want to stress how this is just pure ignorance. Sorry.
(DIR) Post #A9J3bruYvwM2V2NZ1k by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-15T07:51:27Z
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@richard wow.Who the fuck are you to tell me how I spend my time? How dare you call me lazy and ignorant. You know nothing about me.It's not about having the time, it's about how I want to spend my time. I enjoy writing, I don't enjoy pissing about with numerous little issues with Linux that don't exist in Windows.So why don't you climb back under the rock that you came from and keep your obnoxious opinions to yourself.I hope you see the irony in calling me ignorant...gob shite.
(DIR) Post #A9J6pKDxHJWlwAYf5M by richard@mastodon.art
2021-07-15T08:27:13Z
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@kev hehehe... I take it. Fair enough. Quite ill of me to call out on someone I don't even know. I might even like your person a lot, I don't know. Yet, I will always lash back on anything that serves big corp. I tolerate nothing windowsy with good reason. Least the promotion of it. People use windows out of ignorance and laziness in general.I've spent a lot of time fixing both win (xp, 8.1 and 10) and gnu/linux. I don't have a problem with your person - I have a problem with what is promoted.
(DIR) Post #A9NZ8fWcfiMWeVhVj6 by fito@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T12:03:34Z
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@kev OK, unfollowing then.
(DIR) Post #A9NesR15Rjc8kKamzQ by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T13:07:55Z
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@fito not sure why you felt the need to tell me that. But, yeah, good luck I suppose…
(DIR) Post #A9Nv7L959hdQ9ESfdA by can@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T16:09:51Z
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@kev Why not use Arch Linux? It has up to date packages you can't find on any *buntu's. It's AUR system allows you to install almost any app you can't find in main repos (main/community). For example, check this out: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify/ . Installing that AUR package is possible with just one command if you don't want to use a AUR manager/wrapper (git clone <repo-address.git> && makepkg -si <repo>).It's also very stable. Just wanted to suggest it. Good luck with Windows.
(DIR) Post #A9O64ed7M5qRClQrFg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T18:12:40Z
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@can lol. If I’m not willing to piss around with my system, why on earth would I run Arch??
(DIR) Post #A9O8kS8OP5SoWO7TaC by can@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T18:42:39Z
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@kev I don't piss around with it, and am just using Arch. Installing it in 10 minutes. Most of the issues you mentioned in that post were what I faced while using various "distros" except Arch so I suggested it. But, if "Firefox crashing every time I open it", then I think it's sth else you did and it probably will happen on Windows sooner or later too. You could run `firefox -p` and create another profile to check further and see logs. On Win, they'll say "CCleaner or fresh install" lol
(DIR) Post #A9OAgixE7qLpRBFLyC by ixbo@fosstodon.org
2021-07-17T19:04:15Z
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@kev Another "know how you feel" here from me. Windows 10 has always pretty much "just worked" for me. Desktop Linux has a long ways to go before I could seriously recommend it to non-techie people. I still use Windows for gaming and a few other things because I kept running into issues on Linux—sometimes I just want to sit down and play the damn game! I have a Linux laptop that I use otherwise.
(DIR) Post #A9Pp5T2obc7qerAq6y by chrism@fosstodon.org
2021-07-18T14:11:41Z
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@kev Very late to the party here, but just wanted to say I really understand your reasons. Your family time is more important than OS choice. Windows isn't a bad system once you turn off several things.The Linux community has to do something about software packaging. They need to take a hard look at appimage, flatpak and snap and just choose one.I will have to say macOS is getting worse all the time in so many ways. I would choose Windows over that mess any day.
(DIR) Post #A9Uk1waJJ1Ex8X8o6q by fluff@tiny-pillowfort.floating-in.space
2021-07-20T23:01:05.287251Z
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@kev I find this interesting how much usage of different software is affecting the experienceLike, I've ditched Windows completely when I was 15 years old with exactly the same reasoning behind it, just the other way around.I ALWAYS had troubles with Windows, I feel like I have an anti-windows-aura that makes things not work. However.I never was able to get java libraries I needed for some school things into the environment variables or whatever this is called again (it's really long ago by now) on windowsAnd one day I had to finish an art project by editing a video. After trying out 83764883 propietary softwares (cause you just ONLY get those recommended when you search "windows video editor free", windows movie maker btw. was too barebone for what I had to do) that ALL claimed to be free turned out to all just be test versions and AFTER editing the video, rendering would require you to get the full version or something. Some of them were full of ads even. And then I tried a software that simply got a virus onto my computer. I had to get this video editing done for the next day of school so I had NO TIME to deal with such a stupid thing. Had to reinstall windows, got frustrated during the process, aborted, and, because my dad already set up the system as dual boot, I booted into debian and just had to search for video editing with apt and immediately found kdenlive. No ads, no virus, no "btw if you wanna export the hour of work you put into editing this you gotta pay now!".Oh, and I of course also had several meme experiences with windows doing updates for 3 hours or something the day before a presentation.I just want my system to fucking work the way I want it to and not have to fight against some uncanny valley force that is possessing my computer.I had bad experiences with Ubuntu too though with randomly things breaking without me doing anything, like a real windows experience. had it for only half a year in between, cause it was preinstalled on my tuxedo laptop I got for myself two-three years ago, after I switched back to Debian, everything just worked nicely again, and like, I never ran into ANY problem I would have taken even an hour for fixing.I would definitely dare to claim that the time I spent fixing my own selfmade problems on linux is much MUCH less than the amount of time I had to wait for windows to do WHATEVER it did without telling me what it was doing, etc.So I really can't afford wasting time with windows, I need my laptop to JUST WORK for university
(DIR) Post #A9Uk2u5Y4WHhgVD5UW by fluff@tiny-pillowfort.floating-in.space
2021-07-20T23:05:22.641055Z
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@kev it's also just much more comfy to know that I'll always be able to understand what goes wrong with my computer since it's TELLING ME DIRECTLY. And doesn't do "oops something went wrong. we'll fix this for you (not)" or something similiar.......