Post A97Y60jhLyOPHi4Ero by nfd@cybre.space
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 (DIR) Post #A97JWHmB7gjkLlIYBE by wauz@muenchen.social
       2021-07-09T15:53:21Z
       
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       @sheogorathThere is also the misconception of "market" in an Adam Smith sense. Consumer are not part of the market. Members of market are manufacturers and merchants. The big corporations are the "market". Aldi does the negotiotions with  (e.g.) mushroom canners, but most time corporations like Nestlé and so on.As a consumer you can't "demand", you take what is on the shelf.@tindall
       
 (DIR) Post #A97WcNYbqAyJQCBfMW by wauz@muenchen.social
       2021-07-09T18:20:07Z
       
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       @sheogorathNo, it doesn't really work. We had the Shell boycott in the 90ies, but it worked BECAUSE it was irrational. Exxon was the same way in the that drilling rig problem, but rarely mentioned. After all, only the distributional system was hit: small subcontractors.All consumer markets are in reality offer driven. Gasoline is a good example if this.@tindall
       
 (DIR) Post #A97XGlLkncWOnRQky0 by wauz@muenchen.social
       2021-07-09T18:27:25Z
       
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       @sheogorathBtw: when people are talking about market theory mention Mr A. Smith, they actually mean the market theory they've learne in school, and that's something different."Free" and "perfect" markets is something gov should aim at. BUT:  Smith knew very well, that markets are mean and consumers don't have any powers there. So Smith demanded supervision of cereal markets. And so on.@tindall
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y5zf3Ll5Bx0t0zI by tindall@cybre.space
       2021-07-09T15:17:53Z
       
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       Our society is organized around consumption - in order to survive we are required to participate in inefficient and unsustainable supply chains and purchase products with built-in obsolescence dates. It's not reasonable to shame people for doing that.
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y60FZA0I1mFyAts by tindall@cybre.space
       2021-07-09T15:19:08Z
       
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       Telling people that they're destroying the world by buying cheap kitchenware instead of investing in sustainably sourced knives and a cast-iron pan (all sold for ridiculous prices) is merely cruel and totally unhelpful.
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y60jhLyOPHi4Ero by nfd@cybre.space
       2021-07-09T18:23:43Z
       
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       @tindall tangent: hate it when cast iron cookware costs a ton, since a legit strategy when available is "literally buy any used one you can find, no matter how beaten-up it looks, because it'll work fine with a little TLC"
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y61DpXwUmnAAIpk by neauoire@merveilles.town
       2021-07-09T18:30:14Z
       
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       @nfd @tindall that goes for most tools too, second-hand tools from the 70s are better built and more affordable than the things you can buy in stores new nowadays.
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y61gBqVBGD7Qx2O by mood@jorts.horse
       2021-07-09T17:02:19Z
       
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       @tindall what i particularly wonder about the bizarre goop-esque form of fake activism you describe here, is why do the “concerned advisors” not think that someone would indeed buy something nice and durable if they could, and it made sense for them. it’s incredibly condescending 😔
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y61qpCxggk6PRc8 by tindall@cybre.space
       2021-07-09T15:20:24Z
       
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       Yes, it's true that the companies that produce 3/4ths of the world's carbon emissions do so "because of" the people who buy their products - but it's not as if all those people are just doing it for shits and giggles. People have to live.
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y6264IHsfVNXcNE by wauz@muenchen.social
       2021-07-09T18:36:41Z
       
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       @moodIt's basically a showing off thing of people that feel petty bourgeoisie. They just try to sell their lifestyle as the real McCoy. "We are the good ones" - and you deserve your fate by refusing to be like us.That's just a milieu of actual proletarians, that believes, they were nobility, just by being bailiffs.@tindall
       
 (DIR) Post #A97Y63bIheSSAXA4h6 by tindall@cybre.space
       2021-07-09T15:21:56Z
       
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       In addition, a huge amount of that carbon-focused production is actually not in the hands of individual consumers at all - it's because of national and local governments, the MIC (esp. in China and the US), and long-tail B2B contracts.
       
 (DIR) Post #A9I9DirdKBQ03av0zY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
       2021-07-14T21:19:38Z
       
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       @tindallTotally agree with your posts here. That said, I know people who are genuinely trying to run ethical businesses (often as co-ops or social enterprises) to avoid putting their day-to-day labour into unethical ones. So I do try to support businesses like that by buying products and services from them when I can afford it.