Post A8kQYFH3cv4eDGXqK0 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
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(DIR) Post #A8U4ttEJANQIgOkM9g by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-06-20T15:06:53Z
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Switching Software is a beginner's guide to help people switch to privacy-friendly FOSS apps and federated services. You can follow at:➡️ @switchingsoftware The guide's website is at https://switching.softwareThes a git for the project at https://codeberg.org/swiso/website#SwitchingSoftware #Privacy #FOSS #FLOSS #Libre #FreeSoftware #OpenSource #Computing #Alternatives #Federation #Federated #DeleteFacebook #DeleteGoogle #DeleteMicrosoft #DeleteAmazon
(DIR) Post #A8idEU6JhZRVUfVbQ8 by mxtthxw@mastodon.online
2021-06-21T09:06:52Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware in the process of this right now. Thanks for the link. :)
(DIR) Post #A8idEUflZlnbGc5ufw by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:13:32Z
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@mxtthxw @switchingsoftware @FediFollows #SwitchingSoftware gives a lot of bad advice & even makes some false statements: https://lemmy.ml/post/31487
(DIR) Post #A8idEV9Xn3cOky1h5c by mxtthxw@mastodon.online
2021-06-21T15:17:53Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @FediFollows ah thanks for the heads up :)
(DIR) Post #A8idEVPUpkNXYRUQxE by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:14:46Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw see also https://lemmy.ml/post/32542
(DIR) Post #A8idEVXIMkcJwd8f6u by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:21:59Z
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@mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware this thread is also interesting, where #swiso disregards warnings about #Liberapay & opts to proactively endorse them: https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/141
(DIR) Post #A8idEWCPtrVi0ANVCq by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:27:21Z
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@switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw A project with a privacy mission that tries to get people to use a #Cloudflare service has an inherent integrity & trust problem.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYE5g1kNOXgDEwa by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-06-21T15:39:35Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw ...so, where do you suggest non-tech non-geek people find alternatives?It is not enough to attack something just because you find problems there. You must provide a better alternative too.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYEUqWAVdnjzLAu by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:41:56Z
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@FediFollows @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware It's obviously a gross miscalculation to call Liberapay "imperfect". See https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/141 for a mountain of evidence showing #Liberapay to be nothing short of reckless with privacy. They feed every privacy abuser in the industry. I do not need to "find alternatives", particularly when they service is that of luxery, plus alternates are given anyway.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYEycjSKRI5v7aa by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-06-21T15:47:48Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware Yes you DO need to provide alternatives.A lot of FOSS projects are funded by Liberapay. Where do they get their money from if people stop using the platform?Do you think FOSS projects should be defunded?Do you think FOSS projects should switch to Patreon? Or Paypal?If you trash stuff without thinking through the implications, you may be making the situation much worse.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYFH3cv4eDGXqK0 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:43:50Z
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@switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @FediFollows it's like saying "You should avoid Google search. Use Bing, it's 'imperfect' but it avoids Google"
(DIR) Post #A8kQYFQH4eRkfqrCgi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:51:05Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw No, I don't. Having a middle man to handle your money is a non-essential luxury. Endorsing a service that works against the stated mission of the project is a betrayal and it's worse than no endorsement at all.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYFxF64omK6HX4i by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-21T15:48:33Z
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@FediFollows @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware Also note that #SwitchingSoftware /conceals/ all the privacy pitfalls in their 100% positive endoresement: https://switching.software/replace/patreon/ which is not only reckless, it's intellectual dishonesty and it betrays the public trust.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYFyJ27fWNOmNjU by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-06-21T15:52:06Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw So, you are okay with FOSS projects being defunded then?Or do you think FOSS should receive funding by some other method? If so, which method?
(DIR) Post #A8kQYGNpVE5LeYilW4 by cnx@nixnet.social
2021-06-27T18:56:21.610449Z
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@FediFollows, one alternative I have in mind is fosspay: https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/fosspayIt still requires Stripe which is proprietary though but it indeed drops the Cloudfare dependency. Obviously self-hosting is not an option for everyone however.Cc: @koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw
(DIR) Post #A8kQYGoPuNLuz19zxQ by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-28T13:10:01Z
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@cnx @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @FediFollows #Fosspay is clearly a better choice than #Liberapay. Avoiding #Paypal is a big plus. But I must say when we compare fosspay to liberapay, it's only sensible is consider liberapay as software (not the liberapay.com service). All the evil with liberapay is with the service, which is what #swiso shamefully endorses. Anyway, fosspay sw is still better for favoring #Swipe over #Paypal.
(DIR) Post #A8kQYHH8BcJyQ4aviK by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-06-28T14:47:55Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @cnx @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw You can use Stripe on Liberapay, but not every country offers Stripe.That's why Liberapay offer Paypal, because in some countries there is no alternative.This is all discussed in the issue that the Liberapay founder created on this topic:https://github.com/liberapay/liberapay.com/issues/1394They are literally asking for alternatives, why don't you participate there and try to make improvements?
(DIR) Post #A8kQpbtCnSvfHAfVAW by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-06-28T14:56:56.045381Z
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@FediFollows @koherecoWatchdog @cnx @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw There’s basically no hope for FOSS payment platforms except cryptocurency. Believe me, I’ve tried.
(DIR) Post #A8kRSAHzLcqiy8e2c4 by cnx@nixnet.social
2021-06-28T15:01:26.454664Z
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Even with crypto it’s likely that one’s still need to use proprietary software to convert to fiat, unless perse knows a guy. We need support from our governments to standardize and liberate payment platforms, as long as we still live in meatspace.@alex @FediFollows @koherecoWatchdog @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware
(DIR) Post #A8kRSAntR0N0Z5ZWLI by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-06-28T15:03:53.400666Z
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@cnx @FediFollows @koherecoWatchdog @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware Government bank notes are inherently proprietary.
(DIR) Post #A8v5A1yzQoYxk3GWO0 by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-07-03T18:15:56Z
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I think people looking for alternatives are willing to spend some time and read about why a service might not fully adhere to privacy and security. At the same time, I think that @koherecoWatchdog got a little too focused, dozens of content creators, privacy websites and some enthusiasts are recommending non privacy-respecting software too. Recommendations by @switching.software@mstdn.swiso.org are just one extra viewpoint to consider.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xZZhKFf07D3hSq by dpwiz@mastodon.social
2021-06-27T10:42:48Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw what's wrong with cloudflare privacy? I did a search, but there's no obvious reasons to tar and feather them as abusers.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xZyVpzVfMAfW8u by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-30T19:53:54Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware have a look at the top post here, & be sure to click the arrow next to "Liberapay is a CloudFlare website". See also https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/cloudflare.md
(DIR) Post #A8v5xaRa5ulIoKGjS4 by dpwiz@mastodon.social
2021-07-01T07:36:09Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware That's one big list. But it could be way shorter if all the captcha stuff would be on its own page. The remaining has some interesting points between all the chaff.Ironically, they claim Tyranny of convenience while clinging to convenient, but not SotA, tech.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xagTCYfhYVEceu by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-30T19:58:40Z
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@switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw @dpwiz One thing that people tend to despise is that #Cloudflare doxxed a child abuse whistle blower. That is, someone reported an offending CF site to CF, and CF then disclosed their identity to the site owner, who then published it so users of that site could retaliate. When Matthew Prince (the CEO) was confronted about it, he said the whistle blower "should have used a fake name".
(DIR) Post #A8v5xaroWNkI7gXgLA by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-01T14:11:32Z
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@dpwiz @switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw what's "SotA"? Cloudflare victims are quite far from "clinging to convenient" - some of them are inconvenienced to the point of having to walk away.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xbMIh28FeEo1rM by dpwiz@mastodon.social
2021-07-01T16:16:51Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw Tor is a convenient bundle of multiple things. For example you should use something like Wireguard to evade your ISP.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xboJ0uX935uOVk by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-01T20:27:34Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware You've grossly misunderstood the Tyranny of Convenience to the point that you seem to think you've absorbed Tim Wu's essay just from a mere reading of the title. You should read it. He opposes the idea that convenience is always good but also states "It would be perverse to embrace inconvenience as a general rule. But when we let convenience decide everything, we surrender too much"
(DIR) Post #A8v5xcDTVKfOJ9gUk4 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-01T20:32:07Z
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@switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw @dpwiz It's a good essay on how monopolistic corps exploit convenience. Tor liberates its users but not merely through convenience. On the contrary, Tor is actually inconvenient as its users often get mistreated. Tor is a tool to *counter* some the problems that Wu identifies. And btw, Tim Wu is the same guy who coined the term #netneutrality, which Tor facilitates.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xcVCRQqRC7yeMy by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-06-30T20:01:27Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware Would you trust Cloudflare to handle your sensitive financial data knowing that? This is what #Liberapay is exposing people to, with endorsement from #swiso contrary to their mission statement.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xcePtADXeiI0jg by dpwiz@mastodon.social
2021-07-01T21:48:37Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw Anyway, I'd prefer gnunet-like overlay networks and simpler protocols and formats like Gemini. Tor is still convenient enough to use outdated protocols serving bloated content at nice speeds.CorpoFlare et al. are here to stay. If you *really* want to win this one - pack your stuff, get your friends and walk away.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xd1oUAvspHEhCi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:28:18Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware To say that Tor is only practical for outdated protocols grossly misunderstands Tor. Perhaps you're conflating transport layer w/protocol? Tor is TCP-only but that doesn't impose an age on protocol nor does TCP imply bloat. There are both old and new protocols that use TCP. There are both old & new protocols that use UDP.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xdYQWv1KSQUk2S by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:32:28Z
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@switchingsoftware @FediFollows @mxtthxw @dpwiz A blind claim that Tor is only convenient in "outdated" protocols is unfounded. Which modern protocols are you saying Tor is inconvenient or sluggish for? Cloudflare being "here to stay" is very poor rationale for supporting #Cloudflare. #Amazon, #Google, #Facebook, & #Microsoft are also here to stay but this does not justify empowering them. It does not justify #swiso lying to ppl.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xe6SUOF69yPv5E by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:41:44Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware if "pack your stuff" & "walk away" is a metaphor for boycott #Cloudflare, that's indeed what I do. I boycott all of #MACFANG. But this is not about me; it's about #switchingSoftware, who is betraying their readers by lying to them about the openness of the #Cloudflare site that they endorse & by concealing the pitfalls which directly contradicts the #SWISO mission.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xeaagMLTfQVz3A by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T17:43:50Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware No.This is about ordinary users wanting simple, easy to use alternatives.Switching.software is trying to offer them.You are not.If you don't offer alternatives, then you are not helping the users.If you walk away, those users stay there and we all suffer, because their data inevitably leads to our own data.We are not social islands, if my friend's address book ends up on Facebook's servers then my number is there too.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xeqthjOCU090T2 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-01T20:33:33Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware https://www.nytimes3xbfgragh.onion/2018/02/16/opinion/sunday/tyranny-convenience.html
(DIR) Post #A8v5xf0T892sxgceO0 by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T17:44:24Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware It's very much like the pandemic: unless we help others, we are not safe either.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xfQLZvkIFwjJiq by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:51:12Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz you are not helping others by lying to them, first and foremost. You have to trust them with the truth. False statements are wholly inexecusable, as is the deception of hiding such obvious pitfalls as that listed in bug 141
(DIR) Post #A8v5xfps32A7X6fhVQ by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T17:53:00Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz What statement would you give to people that would encourage them to try alternatives?"The alternative payment systems are all terrible, so just carry on using Paypal and Patreon"Is that what you want to say?No?Then what DO you want to say?
(DIR) Post #A8v5xgHsMuZ0vxm49o by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:57:22Z
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@FediFollows @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware First and foremost, you shouldn't lie to the readers. You shouldn't recommend a walled garden while calling it "open". I answered this earlier. The honest thing for #swiso to say is "we do not know of any service that upholds our values but perhaps you'll find these alternatives better than Patreon, & note the list of pitfalls for why these options also counter our values"
(DIR) Post #A8v5xgi6nNY0FK312u by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T17:59:16Z
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@switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz @FediFollows It's dishonest to conceal the issues from the readers. That means if you're honest, and you list the issues, and yet you want those options to look better than Patreon, you should also list the problems with Patreon.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xh9P9tNjbyooam by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:03:05Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz Look at this from a non-tech user's point of view:Patreon - Company says it is safe, everyone uses it, it is really easy to useAlternatives - "No service upholds our values"...they will choose to believe Patreon because that is psychologically far, far easier and most people can't be bothered to study this topic further.You will never, ever get people onto alternatives by giving technically nuanced explanations. People don't care.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xhYDfdEOqwQdGq by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:03:52Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz Maybe they should care, but they don't, and in that situation we end up having to encourage "least worst" options.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xi0DzVdIFnWzvE by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:07:13Z
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@FediFollows @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware The biggest problem is that SWISO neglected to investigate themselves the lists of non-Cloudflared platforms. They only looked at platforms that go against their values. And instead of listing more ethical non-CF alternatives, they just lie to readers which actually goes against their mission
(DIR) Post #A8v5xiQoOetraFyEMa by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:08:56Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware You keep mentioning these hypothetical alternatives but never provide examples.If they don't exist, then why are we wasting time discussing them?
(DIR) Post #A8v5xipcuOkWpDa32e by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:10:21Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz of course they exist, you've just not bothered to read the thread. Search for villages.io. There are long lists of payment platforms that have several non-CF options, like villages.io.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xjHdEH9QE4gPh2 by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:12:31Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz Villages.io is not a payment platform, it's a barter system for social tasks.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xjlPRYyDiQcC6i by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:13:16Z
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@FediFollows @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware bartering *is* payment. Also, villages.io wasn't the only payment platform listed
(DIR) Post #A8v5xkGFatdlG52pBA by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:14:10Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware You expect people on Patreon to switch from cash to bartering?Does that seem realistic to you?
(DIR) Post #A8v5xkhtw5l4dpyuHI by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:14:36Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz it's a ledger, like bitcoin, it tracks value.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xkqlP8qb5K7z5k by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:13:04Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz This topic came up when I first posted about Liberapay, and all these examples came up, and none of them were payment platforms.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xl6iRpbjsnaixM by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:15:13Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz That's still not a payment system.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xlMfUWMsgH3Soy by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:15:16Z
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@dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware @FediFollows of course it's realistic. It's not a hypothetical idea, it's been deployed. It's available.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xlXIqysJDG1xOi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:16:31Z
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@FediFollows @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware oh so now you're limited to fiat money. No, you don't know what a payment system is. You need not trade with fiat money to call it a "payment system". It tracks value and ownership -- it's therefore a payment system
(DIR) Post #A8v5xm3Yv2gApJ7igC by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:18:33Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware 😆 Oh geez...So now we get the truth. When you finally give these alternatives, they involve crypto.We are "limited" to money that people actually use, i.e. the stuff they get paid with.If you cannot deal with this reality, please stop posting on this thread.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xmU9KBwk9lYx7Y by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:19:05Z
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@FediFollows @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz the list (which you continue to ignore) is not limited to cryptocurrency. And btw, villages is not crytocurrency.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xmwVckdDZipbKC by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:19:45Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz Any examples from that list which don't involve blockchain?
(DIR) Post #A8v5xnM25r32qslz6m by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:20:11Z
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@FediFollows @dpwiz @mxtthxw @switchingsoftware villages tracks value with a ledger, but the lack of blockchain makes it not a cryptocurrency.
(DIR) Post #A8v5xnmcV0JcBLDDY8 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:21:23Z
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@switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz @FediFollows that's not to say cryptocurrency is in any way a bad recommendation. The platform just has to serve the purpose at hand, which can be done with or without cryptocurrency
(DIR) Post #A8v5xoEcosiVaCJaCW by FediFollows@mastodon.online
2021-07-03T18:23:16Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @switchingsoftware @mxtthxw @dpwiz Final chance: do you have any examples of good payment systems which use what most people would call real money?Yes or no?
(DIR) Post #A8v5xofvBOYEwr5NkO by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-07-03T18:24:48Z
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@FediFollows @koherecoWatchdog what a messy thread, not gonna lie
(DIR) Post #A8v644pa1qounAaZfc by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:26:03Z
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@joeligj12 @FediFollows indeed.. it's really not the place to repeat bug 141. This is the place to go => https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/141
(DIR) Post #A8v7YNPvado74tbOjo by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-07-03T18:42:44Z
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@joeligj12 Switching.Software is only good for experts who quickly want a raw list of unvetted alternates, to then do further analysis of their own. But it's not a site to be trusted by ordinary people because as we've seen their recommendations are not vetted. The fact that they lie to readers and conceal issues pretty much makes them useless as far as being a trusted authority
(DIR) Post #A9fgbWpplA1GnKte64 by dpwiz@mastodon.social
2021-07-01T07:41:17Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @mxtthxw @FediFollows @switchingsoftware "financial data" goes to Stripe/PayPal, not CloudFlare.