Post A8aFb9eS9SGuYX0KOG by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
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(DIR) Post #A8aFRVH2uAE8ilSBsm by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T17:01:20Z
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Naturally, any conqueror is going to play one group against another.-- Noam Chomsky
(DIR) Post #A8aFTAMbcUsKRpqaLg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T17:02:10Z
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@arh explains diversity well
(DIR) Post #A8aFb9eS9SGuYX0KOG by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T17:03:57Z
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@amerika no, explains how capitalists create bias to enslave them.
(DIR) Post #A8aFgF25ZVLUh3U9Sq by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T17:04:48Z
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@amerika no, explains how capitalists create bias to enslave people.
(DIR) Post #A8aFwPg7l6k0LNvGym by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T17:07:48Z
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@arh by using diversity, yes!
(DIR) Post #A8aG2C1RReVhjAeLuS by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T17:08:50Z
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@amerika you're not dumb, are you?
(DIR) Post #A8aaI1FlFYbm2pAhXs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T20:55:48Z
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@arh no, but I recognize that diversity -- of any form: religious, cultural, ethnic, racial -- is suicide
(DIR) Post #A8aeRG71lzEsYIkQi0 by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T21:42:15Z
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@amerika that is thr dumbest thing I've ever heard about diversity.
(DIR) Post #A8aeYAgyK8IjlirB9l by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T21:43:33Z
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@arh Nah, bro, it's just another toxic egalitarian program. Make everyone equal by force, and destroy culture so the bureaucracy can rule. You remember what Plato and Aristotle said about it, of course.
(DIR) Post #A8af0H762iGRnCTdj6 by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T21:48:34Z
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@amerika that is not true. People are equal as human beings and diversity's point is not to make people "same". Diversity has no point, it's just the nature of different people living along each other. Don't be childish.
(DIR) Post #A8agsg7JOdeSvn5DX6 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T22:09:39Z
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@arh ...which is why it requires government force, involves constant race riots, and destroys societies...
(DIR) Post #A8ahYJpAfbJtxESBjE by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T22:17:09Z
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@amerika that is far from truth. In fact, duversity first happened when different tribes joined and civilization began. If you look at Middle East, where first cities civilizations started, you see different races, different tribes, different religions, and different cultures living together for ages, continued to today, all people living in peace until about 1500 years ago where the extremism began and 60 years ago when USA and other countries found about resources.
(DIR) Post #A8ai2VHuc51eCBI3mq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T22:22:38Z
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@arh Er, no. Even in ancient times, the middle east was wracked by tribal warfare, and the invasion of Europe didn't help :)
(DIR) Post #A8ajnjuMApa76TMNto by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-23T22:42:22Z
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@amerika wrong. You need to study more.
(DIR) Post #A8apzDBQGivCoFCDnU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-23T23:51:41Z
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@arh Study? History's pretty clear, which is why all the diverse societies self-destructed.
(DIR) Post #A8artXmcxtbYs11WHQ by mystik@midnightride.rs
2021-06-24T00:13:05.111680Z
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@amerika @arh You keep repeating this bs after being owned so many times by so many people... I gotta admire your persistence. No, diverse societies do not self-destruct. India being the perfect example.You're boring.
(DIR) Post #A8b0jiGs13gO5aYYrI by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T01:52:08Z
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@mystik @arhIndia is struggling with its diversity as we speak.It takes time for things to self-destruct.
(DIR) Post #A8bbI4AahTcUCcIdIu by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T08:41:41Z
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@amerika like India? Middle East? South America? What the hell are you talking about? These societies are alive for thousands of years. I admire your hard work to prove this crazy fantasy but it's just getting sad that you can't see the truth. Grow up, will you?
(DIR) Post #A8bzhpRgSu6Qxt70Vc by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T13:15:18Z
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@arh You named a bunch of places having problems with diversity currently.Remember the whole "Argentinians came from boats, but Brazilians came out of the jungle"?Or India wracked by Muslim-Hindu conflict?Or the middle east constantly at war between Semitic groups?You're proving my point.
(DIR) Post #A8c03NAsG0U5edWRn6 by moth@husk.site
2021-06-24T13:19:12.930594Z
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@arh @amerika It also would fit "class awareness" as a mechanism. Too bad Chomsky is an idiot.
(DIR) Post #A8c4ub9tOWeSBqhN8i by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:13:37Z
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@amerika that is bullshit. That's the problem with extremism not with diversity. People live in peace here, there's just some groups of idiots who start wars. Those who are in war are also in war with themselves. You're not living here, you're just seeing what media wants you to see. People are in peace here with each other. Even in Israel/Palestine, most are living in peace, there's just a few who are crazy. You're misinformed.
(DIR) Post #A8c7TrrvSSpe3lExd2 by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:14:20Z
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@moth yeah random guy on internet saying one of the greatest intellectuals of our age is an idiot. Good to know.@amerika
(DIR) Post #A8c7TsKziO5HVuqAwC by moth@husk.site
2021-06-24T14:42:26.084410Z
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@arh @amerika I've picked it apart in Foucaut v Chomsky, and Chomsky alone. Appeal to celebrity is a shit argument though.
(DIR) Post #A8c7qwhndq0VikVa1A by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:46:36Z
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@arh @moth More accurately, Chomsky is a fraud who cooked up a theory because trendy East Coast intellectuals would choke it down. They're not idiots per se, more just dishonest.Tom Wolfe -- an actual thinker -- tackled Chomsky recently:https://www.wsj.com/articles/taking-on-chomsky-and-darwin-1472238740?utm_source=gnaa
(DIR) Post #A8c7wdWfrZr1yT1BBY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:47:38Z
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@arh Live in peace, in a place where war threatens all the time?Not to mention great political instability?I agree that generally it's a few starting the conflicts, but that's true of all conflicts, which means that diversity is to blame.
(DIR) Post #A8c80zIUrMwWegSfZY by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:48:25Z
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@moth @arh Very true. It's an appeal to authority in postmodern form.Even bigger point: the quest for a giant theory formed of a simple core, like egalitarianism, is itself flawed.
(DIR) Post #A8c84GvVlrloCTHC4G by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:48:07Z
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@moth it's not the celebrity part and if you don't understand it I just feel sorry for you.@amerika
(DIR) Post #A8c84HMS9hJxY1si3s by moth@husk.site
2021-06-24T14:49:00.741518Z
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@arh @amerika Talk down to someone else, I'm not so insecure in my position.
(DIR) Post #A8c868WLziZUi2OjxY by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:49:19Z
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@amerika now you're mixing stuff. I think talking to you is a dead end as you fail to understand basic stuff.
(DIR) Post #A8c86jwsq2mGn25wwq by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:49:27Z
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@arh @moth At least on these shores, Chomsky gets a lot of cred for being famous. I think that's what he's riffing on.Currently listening to "Metal from Bahrain," quite an interesting comp. One out of the four bands is very good, two are adequate, and one bad. That's good odds for a comp.
(DIR) Post #A8c8BbpuQadr4r9e0O by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:50:19Z
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@arh Well, that's unfortunate, because you could simply be wrong.The fact is that if all conflicts begin with a few people, then "it's just a few people doing it" doesn't matter.And then we look at the world and see that diversity everywhere is conflict.Tigray is just the latest. Then there's North Ireland, heating up again.
(DIR) Post #A8c8ChNvHeeyZkaFpA by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:50:30Z
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@amerika I've read that, didn't make sense to me.@moth
(DIR) Post #A8c8OaIPSxA844fl3I by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T14:52:39Z
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@amerika holy shit. :)))))) Now you're making me laugh. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #A8c8uPA8OZrgnkyVZg by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T14:58:26Z
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@arh @moth Which part? It helps to have read his "The Painted Word," for general background, but he analyzes language in sort of a sociological angle.https://www.neh.gov/about/awards/jefferson-lecture/tom-wolfe-biography
(DIR) Post #A8cA0hJluHLInk2zQG by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T15:10:45Z
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@amerika I haven't read this one but about Mann's article, the general point didn't make sense to me. I disagree with Chomsky in many stuff like many of his ideas about language and communication but in this, I gotta take Chomsky's side.@moth
(DIR) Post #A8cFVkvp1KlgkzTRtQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T16:12:24Z
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@arh @moth I think Wolfe is arguing that there is no universal language, and there I think he's likely right.
(DIR) Post #A8cFhjXO1thRuMkvSa by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T16:14:31Z
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@amerika I disagree with that. To understand that, you should first come to a conclusion what a language is and how a mean and a way of communication can be accepted as a language. Chomsky explains these very well.@moth
(DIR) Post #A8cmq9Q2z1EMyywbxo by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T22:25:51Z
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@arh @moth That means simply project what our language is on other languages, and the theory didn't hold up in reality, as Wolfe pointed out.Universalism is tempting (simpler) but it's often not true.
(DIR) Post #A8co32voW0Qka2W2aW by arh@toots.alirezahayati.com
2021-06-24T22:39:23Z
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@amerika Again, Chomsky explains this very well. Anyway, the original conversation was about diversity and yet I can't see any proof that diversity is a problem at its core.@moth
(DIR) Post #A8cqP0ao5iyjbcI3Ie by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2021-06-24T23:05:46Z
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@arh @moth We can look at this several ways:1. Abstract: does diversity work? It means no majority culture, so that's a threat. Then there's Putnam's research.2. Concrete: do we have examples of happy societies with diversity? I say no, you say yes.3. Analysis: what is the purpose of diversity, and how does it bring benefit?
(DIR) Post #A8cu87653RRQfl7LGq by moth@husk.site
2021-06-24T23:47:33.380004Z
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@amerika @arh If we're arguing earnestly, the lesson of the tin trade, you don't want to clean up the mines in the us so you need exchange, and there's also an issue in unbaking a cake in that you're looking at a drastic world reshaping event that would be far more chaotic than the current conditions which you argue merit it.