Post A8C8D5LN9aNQlycJSy by juacq97@mstdn.mx
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(DIR) Post #A8BuSk2kiUuNzCTlDc by derek@distrotoot.com
2021-06-11T23:13:51Z
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What Are The Benefits Of Emacs Over Vim?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRkp-uJTK7s
(DIR) Post #A8BvdKwgTDTBHnFy9g by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2021-06-11T23:26:59Z
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I don't like either, I prefer a vi with the full-ex command set and so use nvi.
(DIR) Post #A8C8D5LN9aNQlycJSy by juacq97@mstdn.mx
2021-06-12T01:47:55Z
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@derek While any editor can save your files, only Emacs can save your soul
(DIR) Post #A8CYJ2nq6wNRREQzGy by canicus_pol@canic.us
2021-06-12T06:39:17Z
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I say this as someone who uses both vim and Emacs. This video will not persuade anybody. If you want to persuade people, you need to target what your audience desires. Vim users in a terminal tend to value or want.The objection is best summed up as: "Why should I spend six months learning something when I have simple utiities I can pipe together that are usually better at the same task, and I can spend that time learning more productive things. My time is valuable. Sell me."Telling someone to take six months to learn a utility that, in general, is not as good at a given task as the one people already use is asking them to waste their time, and that's how it's taken. Different font sizes? If they cared a lot about that, they'd be using vscode, gedit, or something like that. A commandline that makes a bad calculator? There's bc. REPL for elisp? They aren't using it. The ability to run short segments? They already have that with commandline REPLs (e.g. test Haskell with ghci). EWW? They have browsers that can render Github.I say this as someone who uses both Emacs and Vim. If I saw this video when I was deciding whether to learn Emacs, you'd have persuaded me that it would be a total waste of my time. I have a family, full-time job, a class to teach, and the desire to study things independently. If I cared about decorations or tricks, I'd not be a Vim user.As it stands, I use Emacs because it has very real use-cases that are worthwhile to me. The System Crafters channel showed that. Perhaps you should do a video on Magit. That's an easy one. It's the best Git interface. Another idea is show how you can pipe information into and out of Eshell and manipulate it in ways you simply can't in a terminal (and show where Eshell just isn't the right tool). Show how you can make small modifications to reading documents or the like that reflect your interests (e.g. I made my Emacs process ancient gematria so I can predict how an ancient author would read a given text; that's too niche to expect an application to do and too complicated to do by hand regularly).Focus on things that will interest your audience. Most of the stuff is a dog and pony show. Emacs users will agree with you. Vim users will say "So what?" People who don't like Vim won't care.
(DIR) Post #A8D6NdvRQe4mAiM2LI by nixfu@liberdon.com
2021-06-12T13:02:11Z
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@derek Ok Derek, damnit now I will give Emacs a real serious try.
(DIR) Post #A8DE1TclqZ2DUBYwvg by lllillilll@distrotoot.com
2021-06-12T14:27:48Z
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@derek Bloated trash, disgusting
(DIR) Post #A8FTo5hVTCuF6eKwPg by GNU_Ninja@distrotoot.com
2021-06-13T16:34:05Z
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@derek Be fair. Even Emacs users don't get Emacs ;)
(DIR) Post #A8GDcXxbAi4PAUITPk by codingcowboy@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-06-14T01:07:27Z
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@derek I just never had a desire to learn lisp and just want an editor to be an editor not a browser or a PIM or a OS. Just a good editor that I can be efficient in.😀
(DIR) Post #A8aHEs3J6V4FVj8Dce by krauq@social.tchncs.de
2021-06-23T17:22:08Z
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@derekI somehow feel I should give emacs a try...