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(DIR) Post #A80BXUyhWWfI28v2Ia by Sasha33@spinster.xyz
2021-06-06T07:16:18.102580Z
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http://library.gayhomeland.org/0006/EN/A_Gay_Manifesto.htmActually written sometime in the late 60's. When gay men were talking about including lesbians in the mix. For people scratching their heads about all the kink in pride parades, all this talk of TRA's claiming they want to be objectified, seeing how many gay males have turned their backs on women...read that link. You will see stuff like:(When gay rights decided to invite lesbians)-We look forward to the emergence of a lesbian liberation voice. The existence of a lesbian caucus within the New York Gay Liberation Front has been very helpful in challenging male chauvinism among gay guys, and anti-gay feelings among women’s lib.2. Male Chauvinism: All men are infected with male chauvinism - we were brought up that way. It means we assume that women play subordinate roles and are less human than ourselves. (At an early gay liberation meeting one guy said, “Why don’t we invite women’s liberation - they can bring sandwiches and coffee.”) It is no wonder that so few gay women have become active in our groups.(Women may not agree with what is going to go down)Gay liberation people must understand that women have been treated exclusively and dishonestly as sexual objects. A major part of their liberation is to play down sexual objectification and to develop other aspects of themselves which have been smothered so long. We respect this. We also understand that a few liberated women will be appalled or disgusted at the open and prominent place that we put sex in our lives; and while this is a natural response from their experience, they must learn what it means for us.For us, sexual objectification is a focus of our quest for freedom.(Children)4. Chickens and Studs: Face it, nice bodies and young bodies are attributes, they’re groovy. They are inspiration for art, for spiritual elevation, for good sex. The problem arises only in the inability to relate to people of the same age, or people who don’t fit the plastic stereotypes of a good body. At that point, objectification eclipses people, and expresses self-hatred: “I hate gay people, and I don’t like myself, but if a stud (or chicken) wants to make it with me, I can pretend I’m someone other than me.”A note on exploitation of children: kids can take care of themselves, and are sexual beings way earlier than we’d like to admit. Those of us who began cruising in early adolescence know this, and we were doing the cruising, not being debauched by dirty old men.(kink and animals)While they can be reflections of neurotic or self-hating patterns, they may also be enactments of spiritual or important phenomena: e.g. sex with animals may be the beginning of interspecies communication: some dolphin-human breakthroughs have been made on the sexual level; e.g. one guy who says he digs shit during sex occasionally says it’s not the taste or texture, but a symbol that he’s so far into sex that those things no longer bug him; e.g. sado/masochism, when consensual, can be described as a highly artistic endeavor, a ballet the constraints of which are thresholds of pain and pleasure.---This is program going as intended. When you see kink, furries, children in the mix and all those bright vomity colors children like ...read some of the older gay rights narratives and programs and you will see if it weren't for lesbians in the mix, NAMBLA would have stayed around openly and proudly (they probably stayed behind the scenes as in 1987 "The overhauling of straight America" gives a shout out to NAMBLA to keep quiet while they launched media campaigns because nobody would believe child predators were victims)Were lesbians used as pawns for a sausage fest? Men's liberation revolves around being able to put their penises wherever they want. Women's liberation is about not being objectified. Is it no coincidence that you hear this "we want to be objectified" coming from TRA's? Did gay men finally get tired of wearing the besties to women mask? How many gay men are really on our side because I sure do see the majority of gay men claiming men are women now. This was brought to my attention and there are more examples of this.
(DIR) Post #A80cBTNtSwB1TyQNIu by RockTheBoat@spinster.xyz
2021-06-06T12:18:16.424008Z
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@Sasha33 So MAD!Kids cannot take care of themselves! I’ve seen the effects of kids exposed to porn and it’s heartbreaking. Yes, kids can be sexual, but it’s only healthy if they explore their bodies for themselves, not when it’s forced upon them at a young age.
(DIR) Post #A80faSSoKFbxjGKVZA by Sasha33@spinster.xyz
2021-06-06T07:50:45.469612Z
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Adding this. Under the statement of VII. ON COALITIONProblems: because radicals are doing somebody else’s thing, they tend to avoid issues which affect them directly, and see us as jeopardizing their ‘work’ with other groups (workers, blacks). Some years ago a dignitary of SDS on a community organization project announced at an initial staff meeting that there would be no homosexuality (or dope) on the project. And recently in New York, a movement group which had a coffee-house get-together after a political rally told the gays to leave when they started dancing together. (It’s interesting to note that in this case, the only two groups which supported us were the Women’s Liberation and the Crazies.)---------So here we are now and gay orgs have turned on women. LGB not included. --------------VI. ON OUR GHETTOWe are refugees from Amerika. So we came to the ghetto - and as other ghettos, it has its negative and positive aspects. Refugee camps are better than what preceded them, or people never would have come. But they are still enslaving, if only that we are limited to being ourselves there and only there.Ghettos breed self-hatred. We stagnate here, accepting the status quo. The status quo is rotten. We are all warped by our oppression, and in the isolation of the ghetto we blame ourselves rather than our oppressors.Ghettos breed exploitation: Landlords find they can charge exorbitant rents and get away with it, because of the limited area which us safe to live in openly. Mafia control of bars and baths in NYC is only one example of outside money controlling our institutions for their profit. In San Francisco the Tavern Guild favors maintaining the ghetto, for it is through ghetto culture that they make a buck. We crowd their bars not because of their merit but because of the absence of any other social institution. The Guild has refused to let us collect defense funds or pass out gay liberation literature in their bars - need we ask why?Police or con men who shake down the straight gay in return for not revealing him; the bookstores and movie makers who keep raising prices because they are the only outlet for pornography; heads of ‘modeling’ agencies and other pimps who exploit both the hustlers and the johns - these are the parasites who flourish in the ghetto.________Here we are now...organizations that have thrown women under the bus are making millions off of gays and lesbians and rebranding it into all about gender identity.