Post A7RorF41xIv0CliAgS by Coneng@fosstodon.org
(DIR) More posts by Coneng@fosstodon.org
(DIR) Post #A7RcYY2FztOM5kCYL2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T15:16:31Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I know I'm gonna get some flack for this, but oh well!Is #Windows unstable? I don't actually think so...https://kevq.uk/is-windows-unstable-here-are-my-thoughts/
(DIR) Post #A7RcfdJSm308UEczbc by mcread@noagendasocial.com
2021-05-20T15:17:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev probably the data leaks are more worrying
(DIR) Post #A7Rdx8YnwwzyHAiLKq by gray@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T15:32:06Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev As someone who manages and deploys thousands of Windows machines on a daily basis, I agree with you. Windows 10 is not unstable, at all.I don't think I could disagree with any of your points.Technically, there is a way to create your own minimal installation for it, but granted, it's far from just downloading an iso.Over the last 3 months, there have been 0 BSOD event's across all of our devices. Sure, applications still crash, but they do on macOS and Linux too.
(DIR) Post #A7Rdzbj2UB5xJDgB1s by uglyhack@mastodon.technology
2021-05-20T15:32:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I use Windows daily for work, and tend to help colleagues with their systems also.I agree that crashes on well-cared-for Windows are rare. I've seen some caused by bad printer drivers. You could say Windows isn't to blame for that, but I don't get that on Linux.My main issue these days is that Windows hides "complexity". This sounds fine, until you need something. E.g. excel exports things using the windows date settings, and you can't set iso8601 if the regional settings are Dutch.
(DIR) Post #A7Re2jtMZycnVQ0A3U by dustin@mastodon.dustinwilson.com
2021-05-20T15:32:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev It’s definitely not as unstable as people say, but funnily enough just today I’ve been running around the office because 5 different computers, including the windows server running the enterprise accounting software garbage all rebooted because of a windows update. Had all computers scheduled to do it at midnight, but apparently 9 AM is midnight.
(DIR) Post #A7Re7gycqSFRudpCNc by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T15:34:05Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev In conclusion I would say windows is a piece of shit but it's not unstable :blobcatheartbongo: :blobcatheartbongo:
(DIR) Post #A7ReKLK0fZC0VzrLYe by MrDers@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T15:36:20Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I believe the word you were looking for is "unusable". Lol! My only experience is corporate computers and the lags and hesitations opening the file manager, files and stuff like that drives me nuts. Its almost like every time I open a folder there is along list of network shares it refreshes. Honestly feels like I spend more time waiting than working.
(DIR) Post #A7RhfVdboEYASBoMIi by clement@toot.forumanalogue.fr
2021-05-20T16:13:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev me and my gf are experiencing bsod on our work computers on a regular basis (about 10 per year each). And I am subject to random reboot once in a while to due update. It can be due to the fact that my work computer is used more like a workstation, being on for few days in a row, but it is a stability issue.There is an important stability issue not covered. The fact that some things randomly stop working at some point and rebooting is the only way to have a fully functional environment.
(DIR) Post #A7RiM9fpLbLKmjBSq0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:21:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@uglyhack I think that’s definitely fair - they do try to hide away the cogs from the front end. I can see why they do that, but it can be frustrating when you need something.Having said that, I don’t remember the last time I went into settings/control panel on my machine.
(DIR) Post #A7RiQLKByGWa4v3rDE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:22:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@jrballesteros05 what makes it a piece of shit?
(DIR) Post #A7RiUc6tVMLVIPsTmC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:23:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@MrDers corporate Windows is a different beast because it has so much crap running in the system tray.
(DIR) Post #A7Rid614CODyMfCFii by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:24:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@clement is that Windows though, or at the application level?I have no idea, could be either, but it’s clearly an issue with your machines than Windows as a whole. Windows May still be the root cause though, of course.
(DIR) Post #A7RjK7wito1qnngSMS by jle@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:32:22Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Ditched Linux for Win on a machine as well: https://jlelse.blog/thoughts/2021/04/installed-win
(DIR) Post #A7RjTAgq4DevuzZBzM by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:33:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev As I answer in your other toot, the update system in Windows is crap, not because you can choose when to reboot but when an important update don't want to install. It is a pain when that's happen. The performance is poor, especially when you open many tabs in the browser. I experienced this in a machine a bought to my father with 4GB RAM soldered(My mistake). A linux with a decent DE like XFCE works much better. In the case I have to choose a proprietary OS I'd rather MacOS by far.
(DIR) Post #A7RjVtVgOk9VVKeAYy by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T16:34:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Of course I also said that I wouldn't be objetive when I talk about Windows.
(DIR) Post #A7RmJnCgJrQeKggErY by mzumquadrat@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:05:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev My main gripe with windows (besides its horrible privacy) is the lack of control i as the user have. On my linux machine i am in control. I control when my machine is doing updates, when it restarts, what DE/WM to use, what services are running. Can i control all that with Windows too? Mostly. But it is extremely hard to do so. In my opinion control over the system is much more aproachable on linux than on windows.
(DIR) Post #A7Roj9JxQNNY4nInoW by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:32:54Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@mzumquadrat agreed, that’s definitely true but most people (myself included) have no interest in doing that. I just want to boot my OS and have it get out of my way. As long as stuff is where I expect it to be; for me that’s a panel at the top and some kind of start menu behind the super key, I’m good.
(DIR) Post #A7RorF41xIv0CliAgS by Coneng@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:34:22Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev to be clear your question was unstable/frustrating. So it wasn't exclusively about stability. As for the Blue screen, I have seen a lot at work for multiple models of Lenovo laptops that we use.
(DIR) Post #A7RpDrThoUV3iOVTLk by werwolf@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:38:25Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I don't mind if it's stable or not, it's proprietary software so it's malware
(DIR) Post #A7RpYLEMu4qLmb69lQ by greenpete@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:42:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@werwolf @kev I remember reading an article quite a few years ago that pointed out that by Microsoft's own definition, Windows IS malware.It (unlike me now 🙄 ), linked to the place on MS's own website that gave the definition.Given the telemetry alone, I would agree.Either way, stable or not, it's been dead to me since around 2006 when I finally moved to Linux full time... Happy days! 😀
(DIR) Post #A7Rphs24JjAO7atB8y by mzumquadrat@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T17:43:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev And that's totally okay. The fact that i wouldn't touch Windows with a ten feet pole ;) does not mean that i can not see the benefit for other people using it. My main concern with other people using it is, that i hope that they made an educated decision and are not using it because they have no choice (either by unawareness or because someone choose it for them). But that is something to solve on a personal level.
(DIR) Post #A7RsGUmsvto24YQQPw by RyuKurisu@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:12:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev when asking about Windows 10, you both asked about instability **and frustration**; AFAIK I've answered only about the frustrating part, but the *forced* reboots can be considered as instability 😏👍
(DIR) Post #A7Rsj47h9JkVlwmYEK by darekkay@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:17:37Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev > I don’t think Windows 10 actually performs poorly.As a frontend developer, the difference between a Mac and Windows is huge when it comes to Node applications (i.e. working with many small files). I did a benchmark with similar hardware a few years ago in my work project. "rm -rf node_modules && yarn install": Windows 19min vs. Mac 2min. Running Jest tests: Windows 23min vs. Mac 5min. I mostly prefer Windows from tooling perspective, but Mac is more enjoyable due to the speed gain.
(DIR) Post #A7Rt0m6Etmzt5OXtOy by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:20:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Back when you asked for our experience, so actually forgot to mention how my Windows completely broke itself (I even did a toot about it) since it didn't wanna apply an update and rebooted and the asked again to update, and I clicked ok. And then it broke. I still had the EFI boot file of that broken install until a week ago when I figured out how to depot old boot entries
(DIR) Post #A7Rup2y6YTavpxHBeS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:41:12Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@darekkay wow! Like I said, this post is just about my experience with it.
(DIR) Post #A7Rut0yzsaTepxaNCC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:41:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@mzumquadrat absolutely!
(DIR) Post #A7RuyS50YqWcKBzQqu by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T18:42:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Coneng that’s fair. I’ll edit the post.
(DIR) Post #A7RwHLayzevXfcWHRo by gcrkrause@lediver.se
2021-05-20T18:57:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I have a Windows work maschine and it happens every week it forces me to reboot this thing no matter what I am actually working on.I think its nice, since I get payed to wait like 20mins a week for my notebook, but for an operating system its poor.
(DIR) Post #A7Rx85zVjzWYcd92fY by gortbrown@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T19:07:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Windows has its quirks, but I don't think I've actually had any instability on any non-insider builds.
(DIR) Post #A7RzpIa70Q661xzdse by clement@toot.forumanalogue.fr
2021-05-20T19:37:12Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev application level, but affecting things like explorer. Also, when restarting an application is not enough, it makes me think that the issue comes from the os, although I don't have a deep understanding of windows.Both our work have specific policies, but in my company, we are using build-in tools.
(DIR) Post #A7S8pUiulGbfHAHLOa by jamie@mstdn.helios.red
2021-05-20T21:18:06Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I think half the bad press Windows gets is because people (and IT depts) buy cheap laptops with 4gb ram and rubbish processors. My work laptop is awful - but Windows 10 flies on my Thinkpad.My order of preference is MacOS > Windows > Linux > Anything else.
(DIR) Post #A7S9eLjHxbMa9NhfE0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T21:27:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@jamie you know, I don’t think I’ve ever used MacOS. I’ve looked at it and clicked about, but never used it for more than like a minute.
(DIR) Post #A7SBANlK2P4dfxUbnk by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T21:44:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@gortbrown @kev Kev Quirks hehe hehe
(DIR) Post #A7SBLOy1tk46b9gtvs by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T21:46:20Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@joeligj12 @gortbrown I was waiting for someone to say that! 😂
(DIR) Post #A7SF9Gj76tSVNlBU0G by gortbrown@fosstodon.org
2021-05-20T22:28:59Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev @joeligj12 haha I didn't even notice that! 😂
(DIR) Post #A7SPmiupEmZZdz79eq by adamsdesk@mastodon.technology
2021-05-21T00:28:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev I've used Windows since v3.1 personally and in corporate environments all the way to Windows 10. I've had my share of nightmares with it. It has its purpose but to me since Windows 10 came along it has gone to crap. Users are now testers without a pay check and just not reliable as a Linux or Unix setup. I've been the end user and the staff that gave support and helped setup the network infrastructure along with the workstations. As you can the I've lost faith in Windows.
(DIR) Post #A7Sl6rT9F8M709c1iq by robert@social.winter.ink
2021-05-21T04:27:04Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Very much agree. I use Windows on my desktop and it never skips a beat. I also never notice any application lag, everything is smooth as silk. But my Threadripper, graphics cards and buckets of ram might be compensating a little. 😉So I’d recommend it as a stable workhorse. In fact, I have more stability issues on Linux. I far prefer the approach to privacy on my distos of choice, but if we are only talking stability…
(DIR) Post #A7SpZj4tv4hHBwI3AO by Crocmagnon@fosstodon.org
2021-05-21T05:17:06Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev at work we have 3 types of installs: macOS, windows 10 on Dell XPS and Linux on Dell XPS. I hear a lot of complaints about the people on windows, but it seems more related to the Dell hardware than Windows itself.Random crashes (BSOD), audio not working, flakey command line tools, etc. One colleague decided to install a dual boot on their computer, since then they haven’t have any issue.I guess in our case it’s not windows but rather the support for Dell hardware?
(DIR) Post #A7TK32wa8RONpLIQ1w by frank@linuxrocks.online
2021-05-21T10:58:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev From my experience it also depends on which flavour of Windows 10 you're working on and what you are doing with it (software). As a user of Windows 10 Enterprise (managed by work, so no forced untimely updates) with WSL2 and Windows Terminal, I don't have any issues with it.
(DIR) Post #A7i4Yq5Js895GBEOhs by aspie4K@aspiechattr.me
2021-05-28T13:45:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kev Windows 10 itself is generally reliable.Updates do however not uncommonly break random stuff on some machines, in some cases causing permanent data loss. And of course updates are forced.And I don’t think I need to mention the privacy aspect of which we’re all aware.I feel much more comfortable on Linux or, in the world of proprietary OS’s, macOS as once you fire up a terminal it’s practically the same as using Linux and you get great power from those M1 chips.
(DIR) Post #A8HnduUMghrypvX4sq by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-06-14T19:25:46Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Well, I can't finish installation of XP because it BSODs every single time. I just wanted to play old games that don't work on wine 😒@kev I know that you are talking about Win10 but I am annoyed and got the opportunity to rant.
(DIR) Post #A8HqT3Vv5mLDVKm9Pk by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-06-14T19:57:24Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@murtezayesil using VMWare and an OS that’s like 20 years old doesn’t count. 😂😂
(DIR) Post #A8HrEo8DaPkxhHSX3o by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-06-14T20:06:00Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
It is Windows XP. It just BSODs.@kev