Post A716TxVnbGyb0xpToO by ManniCalavera@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #A6yt8bxwpDeYOCZAZs by spacekookie@octodon.social
2021-05-06T18:31:41Z
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Apparently the new audacity owners are adding telemetry to it :/ This is....concerning. Especially because that PR discussion has _zero_ opposition to the feature being addedhttps://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835
(DIR) Post #A6yyjMFeiHYM8aBrqi by spacekookie@octodon.social
2021-05-06T18:40:22Z
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Reminder to structure your projects in a way that they can't easily be taken over by a single company. Yes, I know it's a privilege being able to work on free software besides your day job. But if you have people getting paid for their work, make sure it's via different funding sources, or organisations.Companies _will_ try to take over successful projects. Embrace, extend, extinguish never really went away and we have to deal with the fact that companies _want_ control over our communities
(DIR) Post #A6yyjO0UBebha76mTw by spacekookie@octodon.social
2021-05-06T18:54:20Z
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I left a comment https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#issuecomment-833778895
(DIR) Post #A6zaYJBJaFUZglJnMG by vandys@mst.vsta.org
2021-05-07T02:42:20Z
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@spacekookie I don't know what's creepier: that they're doing this, or that lots of people don't seem to care.If somebody doesn't fork it, I will certainly snapshot pre-spyware and just live with building from source.
(DIR) Post #A6zbssmX23slqZ6IYy by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2021-05-07T02:57:16.313941Z
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@spacekookie >Universal Google Analytics is used:rmsmad:
(DIR) Post #A6zc1X9mnoxvNu6RE0 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2021-05-07T02:58:50.087732Z
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@spacekookie It gets worsehttps://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/836
(DIR) Post #A6zmzfTzyUca7js07E by spacekookie@octodon.social
2021-05-06T19:04:48Z
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@stsp STOP DOING ANALYTICS meme.Wanted to know what your users thought of your software anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that. It's called SURVEYS:D
(DIR) Post #A6zn2DvQtCRlWZv8oS by spacekookie@octodon.social
2021-05-06T20:25:41Z
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@jookia @stsp lol equating having analytics in your program to quality is a high mark that you have to prove. Plenty of proprietary software scrapes every user action out of your client and is, at the same time, fucking awful.Analytics are this big data brain worm that companies keep going back to because it allows them to stake their company value on how many active users they have. it's a capitalist tool, not a design one
(DIR) Post #A6znUF4iCyxrCMcZvs by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2021-05-06T20:50:13Z
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You don't get quality information from automated tools, ever. At best you could have gotten it from other ways, at worse it's plain unusable and your user may resent you for it, especially with automatic opt-in, even with easy opt-out.
(DIR) Post #A6znUZRQUF18MbP076 by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2021-05-06T22:50:15Z
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An actual survey from your project newsletter/mailing list/Twitter account. And more regularly from support requests and crash reports.
(DIR) Post #A6znUoSgdpwEwr6if2 by clacke@libranet.de
2021-05-07T00:59:29Z
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@jookia @hypolite opt-out is not consensual, it merely pretends to be
(DIR) Post #A6znV2CXYfLDYpf1RA by clacke@libranet.de
2021-05-07T01:16:06Z
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@jookia @hypolite It's a plausible-deniability trick that allows you to collect data and then go "they could have opted out".If people were keen to share that data, they'd opt in.
(DIR) Post #A6znV8ogxjQM4tYZjk by clacke@libranet.de
2021-05-07T02:32:37Z
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@jookia People talking to each other.
(DIR) Post #A6znVL1tYT7DxJpHyy by clacke@libranet.de
2021-05-07T04:19:34Z
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@jookia How is it not analytics? I talk to you and then analyze what we said.How is it not UX? It's the original communications interface that every user interface we make is forced to try to to adapt to.
(DIR) Post #A6znVUAjYyX8JL1yVc by clacke@libranet.de
2021-05-07T05:01:26Z
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@jookia As a user, I expect an audio editor to edit audio, I don't expect it to connect to the network.MusicBrainz functionality to automatically tag audio I load would be a potential example off the cuff that should be a plugin, not built in and not opt-out. And that's nothing compared to this.If it's adding 5k of code and interacting with Google services the only acceptable form is a plugin installed by the user, with warning labels like how even adversarial interoperability apps like NewPipe are labeled on F-Droid.
(DIR) Post #A6ztuzQ77VSoBolkZ6 by mystik@midnightride.rs
2021-05-07T06:19:19.828594Z
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@spacekookie Besides, who uses Github anymore? I won't be complaining on THAT platform.Sad state of affairs.
(DIR) Post #A716Tx5DC7i1gVOFN2 by Downes@mastodon.social
2021-05-06T22:32:42Z
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@spacekookie So... how _do_ companies take over an open source project like Audacity?Need to know how it works in order to know how to prevent it.
(DIR) Post #A716TxVnbGyb0xpToO by ManniCalavera@mastodon.social
2021-05-07T16:18:44Z
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@Downes @spacekookie As someone who knows nothing about development but is a fan of Floss, I'd like to know that too.@digitalcourage , is that something you're interested in looking into?
(DIR) Post #A717UxcwkzZRcFDLF2 by katp32@layer8.space
2021-05-07T14:56:14Z
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@spacekookie In fairness, as it says at the very top of the page, repeatedly, telemetry is disabled by default, and the option to compile it with support for telemetry is also disabled by default.I'm admittedly extremely uncomfortable with the fact that they intend to make any calls to Google, I thinks that's a very poor decision, but still, as long as it's disabled by default on all sides, it isn't really "ruined".
(DIR) Post #A717Uy8qqN5jDC8oyG by kirschwipfel@nerdculture.de
2021-05-07T20:26:04Z
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@katp32> telemetry is disabled by default, and the option to compile it with support for telemetry is also disabled by default.Changing these defaults later is a very small change (in term if lines of code) and might be done without anybody noticing.Also chances are high that on platforms, where pre-built software is used (e.g. Windows), the binaries will be delivered with surveillance turned on by default. Otherwise why would one implement surveillance in the first place?@spacekookie