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(DIR) Post #A6OYSRFDIw9WCVhKPA by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T05:56:20Z
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In the same way I have seen how companies have decided to get rid of GNU and GPL I will do the same with them as much as I can. These will be the steps I will follow:1. Remove any tools from(or hardly influenced by) Red Hat unless is strictly necessary. For example, I can live without firewalld despite I like it a lot but I haven't found a good replacement for Networkmanager(I am not sure if it's from red hat) because I need it for openvpn.2. Choose the GPL option as much as I can.
(DIR) Post #A6OZ68wYlY6n1buC8m by ghil@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:03:34Z
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@jrballesteros05 So hum when did Red Hat tried to get rid of GNU or GPL?
(DIR) Post #A6Oa1Af735BKrSwBrk by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T06:13:53.711492Z
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@ghil @jrballesteros05 redhat is still pzne of the largest contributor to the kernel, gcc folks and multiple other open source projects... so, source?
(DIR) Post #A6Oa3ba1wHq0vQilPM by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T06:14:20.133500Z
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@ghil @jrballesteros05 one*thanks auto correct
(DIR) Post #A6OaQee0iF6n5aZcVU by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:18:27Z
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@ghil I didn't say Red Hat did it specifically, I said companies in general. Even many of them repudiated to use GPL.In any way I don't see Red Hat as a free software ally. Especially since IBM bought them. The first step in my case is to get rid of anything from red hat. Red hat will be the first company I will get rid of because I don't like blackmails, especially from a company who only brought cancer to the ecosystem just to get money.
(DIR) Post #A6OapEj0DYdTwOd7s8 by ghil@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:22:53Z
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@jrballesteros05 You didn't say Red hat specifically, but your post was, in essence:I will get rid of companies that tried to get rid of GPL and GNU.The only company you named was Red Hat.You see where we lost you?If this is some weird stance for Stallman, you could've just said so instead of trying to come up with shit against a company that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
(DIR) Post #A6ObOz262OcLhKbfI8 by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:29:23Z
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@ghil ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding but I didn't mean that. I will change my words to avoid misunderstandings. I will get rid of companies that tried to get rid of GPL and Red Hat. It is true that they never say to get rid of GPL, but all the others arguments I have against Red Hat are valid.
(DIR) Post #A6OcKPVcGxWKJnnVYW by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T06:39:46.175052Z
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@jrballesteros05 @ghil I still fail to see what redhat did that can be referred to as cancer...
(DIR) Post #A6OdfVy7YBY8O8l1GK by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:54:46Z
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@reto @ghil I am not going to change my mind about red hat because I think they are a cancer, especially for pushing systemd into GNU/Linux and making the life more difficult for people like me who does not want to use that crap.https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.htmlThis article was written by a person who does not defend the GPL, actually he has other article about the problems of GPL.
(DIR) Post #A6OdtsZoI8WIYlEgZU by ghil@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:42:10Z
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@reto @jrballesteros05 Oh hum the short answer is, Chucho is on the stallman side, and since Red Hat denounced Stallman and asked for his resignation from the FSF, Red Hat is probably the devil now in that story.I no longer take part in these discussions as it's a moot point where everyone talks past each other and nothing gets fixed or changed.
(DIR) Post #A6OdtszKlEw7pvB4M4 by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T06:57:22Z
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@ghil @reto You are wrong. If you see my history of toots I have been bitching about red hat before the RMS drama. The RMS drama is a stronger reason to get rid of Red Hat and other companies.
(DIR) Post #A6OjRRCx3NutIHMhlI by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T07:59:28.435965Z
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@jrballesteros05 @ghil God...>systemd-resolved has hard coded fallback DNS servers for Cloudflare, Quad9 and Google. Even if you turn these off, a bug might cause these to be used anyway (which actually happened at one point)That's an effing compile time option in systemd, you don't need to use any of those default fallbacks.The argument that a security related bug might have been malicious on purpose is applicable to any project, especially controlled by individuals/ companies in a country that allows for secret subpoenas (including the USA). This is no better or worse from Red Hat than it is for Linus himself and hence a stupid argument without any proof whatsoever.Red hat repeatedly is *fixing* bugs in the kernel via its engineers.The rest of the reasons isn't much better and mostly just a person ranting about stuff that comes from Poettering.----Honestly, I couldn't care less if you dislike Red Hat and avoid anything they touch like the plague (good luck though without a kernel ;P )But if you cite articles as "proof" and a valid reasoning at least use one that has merit.
(DIR) Post #A6Ol0jUv90Oo6mAEDo by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T08:16:44Z
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@reto @ghil You said "Good luck without kernel" as Red Hat was the creator, Red Hat is a contributor(One of the most important though) with other companies and many people. But Red Hat doesn't control the kernel, the day they are I will move to any BSD.The reasons in the article are valid, why many people believe that everything is a rant against Pottering? Do you know how Gnome make difficult to work on non-systemd? If you don't want to see the "proof" it does not mean that are invalid. Sorry
(DIR) Post #A6OnECwbArkx6jfB9U by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T08:41:54.133975Z
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@jrballesteros05 (untagging ghil)I just mentioned two points from said article which I consider invalid for the reasons stated, yet there's no counter argument from you in regards to those points.And yes, Gnome depends on systemd and that's their choice if it makes their life easier. There are multiple other Wms/DEs that don't.Gnome has ever been *very* opinionated and doesn't generally speak to the techy crowd who want a million options (myself included, can't stand gnome for that reason).You really don't need to use gnome if you don't like it so I fail to see the problem.
(DIR) Post #A6Op12uPNFE67xUSoK by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T09:01:54Z
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@reto About the two points you mentioned. The first one you might be right and I agree that Red Hat is a company who fix a lot of bugs but something that I usually fix editing a file now I have to check in the compile time or trust in the distribution to do it. I think we give enough control to others and trust other and with systemd I have to give more control. The fact 1 is true! but I've seen naives who believes systemd is not owned by Red Hat. 1/2
(DIR) Post #A6OpzCzh0RkomUeLtw by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T09:12:47Z
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@reto About Gnome it's not about "You don't like don't use it", actually it's what I do. The problem it's in the past even BSD could use Gnome and now they had problems because of systemd, and just because someone said "BSD are not more relevants" . The thing is making me angry is that more software is hard depending on systemd, in part because they push to do so. I want to leave systemd in the same way I can leave s6 or runit without breaking things.
(DIR) Post #A6OsQ0HgZK9v5byEPg by ryo@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T09:40:02Z
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@jrballesteros05 I just make sure that these companies never ever get a single dollar from me.Not directly an not over some other channels.Using their products for free without being recorded in a statistic is even more punishment.I have no merci for those who side with bullies and an angry mob. Period.
(DIR) Post #A6P4VH7eahsmD5Yfqa by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2021-04-19T11:55:27.900892Z
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@jrballesteros05 unix compatibility is hard, at least once you start using fancy features.Any software that uses for example the io_uring functionality will not work on the BSDs, any software that uses pledge will not work on Linux.Just some examples of features some applications want to use in various circumstances. Is it possible to ifdef the functionality? Sure, but that means additional developer burden as now you suddenly need to concern yourself with multiple kernel interfaces.It's fine for a developer to say we support a single OS and a single system interface in my opinion as it's their project after all (and they would need to work around the various platform restrictions)In the case of gnome, iirc all they want is dbus and a session manager, which can be implemented by the BSDs and there are non systemd variants of those.But eventually you are reimplementing all the same features systemd already has and then I fail to see why a rewrite was necessary. Why reinvent the wheel?
(DIR) Post #A6P9LZfPHvN6bEXWHg by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T12:49:21Z
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@reto I know unix compatibility is hard and I don't discuss that. The OS are similar but at the same time are intrinsically different. It's fine if systemd developers say they want to support only Linux but it's not fine they make Gnome depend on them, just because they have Red Hat's daddy to support them. I even don't agree that Red Hat decides the course of GNU/Linux just because they sponsor systemd and Gnome. Systemd people even wanted Tmux to hard-depend on them.
(DIR) Post #A6P9YDxxHa313nFP2e by jrballesteros05@fosstodon.org
2021-04-19T12:51:53Z
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@reto I don't agree in the way they absorbed udev. And there are alternatives but many of them are just forks, then people complain because there are too much fragmentation on FLOSS, but with those kind of decisions it's normal. There is also a bigger problem about non-standards interfaces that systemd are implementing. This should worry us but people seems to be fine with it. https://www.techworm.net/2016/10/can-crash-linux-systemd-single-tweet.html