Post A6FfUx7mn8eSA8iaZM by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #A6FD3kwfAWuZqyl75c by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:44:03Z
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I just learned about the hard-coded filter in #Lemmy and I'm starting to question if I wanna support project with "hard-coded" filters and bs excuses for having and maintaining it. This goes against the whole point of self-hosted freedom.. I strongly thinking about closing down Meowrr.com for this..
(DIR) Post #A6FDDXgLKtWfc8n9QO by thaha@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:45:50Z
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@stux If there is a alternative to Lemmy, then maybe use that one instead on Meowrr.com?I also strongly condone any hard-coded filters inside, open source or not, software. It is not what the fediverse I build for.
(DIR) Post #A6FDFL29KhvIxuqdKC by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:46:09Z
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@thaha Perhaps indeed!
(DIR) Post #A6FDHeejLgkiOyzxoW by thaha@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:46:35Z
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@stux If there is a alternative to Lemmy, then maybe use that one instead on Meowrr.com?I also strongly condone to any hard-coded filters inside, open source or not, software. It is not what the fediverse is build for.
(DIR) Post #A6FDbBlgSkrybEZ7HU by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:50:04Z
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I'm closing down the #Lemmy instance #Meowrr https://meowrr.com/post/323 Reason:https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
(DIR) Post #A6FDrKhN1lCCvjFJ20 by GoatsLive@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T17:53:01Z
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@stux Don't blame you one bit. All of my sites just use a flat file or database entry that I control.
(DIR) Post #A6FE7cQyr2D4ZNLThw by selea@social.linux.pizza
2021-04-14T17:55:54Z
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@stux yeah,I am unable to host a swedish instance because of this. Many legitimate non-slur words in Swedish is spelled exactly like slurs in english.gg
(DIR) Post #A6FEtvRDVAyXPPUSO0 by aetios@kawen.space
2021-04-14T17:56:07.418898Z
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@thaha @stux condoning is the opposite of what you mean! you mean condemn.
(DIR) Post #A6FEtvrnuKF6jrvgpM by thaha@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T17:56:47Z
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@aetios @stux O haha. You learn something new everyday!And thanks, English isn't my native language!
(DIR) Post #A6FEtwI2KnE63ECdiS by aetios@kawen.space
2021-04-14T17:59:51.531000Z
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@thaha @stux we zijn allemaal Nederlands in dit draadje
(DIR) Post #A6FEtwkkc2C9UHdZTM by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:04:38Z
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@aetios @thaha Haha echt hè! Moet er hard over nadenken hoor dit rare Nederlands
(DIR) Post #A6FFEi5UKkUo5IEnya by mur2501@qoto.org
2021-04-14T18:08:26Z
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@stux They say they are against slurs but they kinda sound the same as the people who use slurs :blobcatgooglyshrug:
(DIR) Post #A6FFbXSo00upnN1uGu by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:12:37Z
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@mur2501 The whole system discriminates kinda.. if it’s being used in other languages it doesn’t work at all :mortyderp: And their reasons.. Just a big no no
(DIR) Post #A6FFfAzXUXn5G34j20 by hamjb@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:13:15Z
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@stux great.It's not a discussion their thread. They try to dominate and find reasons, why their dictatorship is fine.Ugly.Great that you did shut it down. Don't give them power by distributing it in any way.
(DIR) Post #A6FFkoapgJzXWmCw76 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:14:15Z
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@hamjb Thank you♥️ I don’t wanna support that, ever
(DIR) Post #A6FGDjFubZctN7D2w4 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:19:28Z
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p00000f! And it’s gone!
(DIR) Post #A6FGJfBMf8eETZubwG by hamjb@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:20:33Z
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@stux that's great. Hopefully an increasing number of people acts against lies, whatever place, like you.Of course it isn't fine to have strange things happen an instance. But this can be solved by moderation, filters etc. openly. No need to hide something within code and argue like crazy, that "needs to be this way"Next step: build in backdoors. "For your safety" "for remote protection".No no.Where this leads to we know from big institutions.
(DIR) Post #A6FGptd6U00sYCFyZE by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T18:24:32.336722Z
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@stux This whole situation inspired me to make a comic again. "Ode to Dessalines". CW: depiction of hate and no no wordsCC BY-NC-SA 3.0
(DIR) Post #A6FGqyzm1ExPTuNWhk by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:26:32Z
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@hamjb Exactly that! Server admins can define it on their own very well. No need for hard coded stuff like that
(DIR) Post #A6FGxcnyv6KOge1vWa by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:27:46Z
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@welt Haven't though about that..! That's also a possibility, just use other characters or completely new words and they could still mean the same so the whole "filter list" is just a weird collection?
(DIR) Post #A6FGyo3Qa73hrgonEe by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:27:54Z
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@mhamzahkhan Right..!
(DIR) Post #A6FH1TzbcudUVuJ5KC by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T18:26:37.988912Z
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@stux Basically it does nothing and hurts normal people having legimate conversations that need those words.
(DIR) Post #A6FHWLNVhlQcm1Cgfw by mgrondin@youdabomb.social
2021-04-14T18:33:19.003881Z
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@stux Well...that's really bad of the project. Did not realize they had this. I have not joined or used it much but was considering hosting one when it was more mature.No moreLet each user build a list of words they don't want to see and that be that. Mastodon does this right? And pleroma as well i think?
(DIR) Post #A6FIhfYL8VFEU3EWhM by mhamzahkhan@intahnet.co.uk
2021-04-14T18:34:56Z
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@stux "in public spaces there's no appropriate context in which bigoted slurs should be used."Check out this delicious looking Venison FAGGOTS with sweetcorn https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/venison-faggots-sweetcorn-recipe
(DIR) Post #A6FIhfuJompFaDW4xM by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T18:47:16Z
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@mhamzahkhan for example yes! But also the way people explain certain things! I have learned so much here on the fedi just by talking to people who are in a certain situation and needs certain words for explaining
(DIR) Post #A6FLwRf9MT4lbu9jWq by kireicake@neckbeard.xyz
2021-04-14T19:23:39.492759Z
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@stux What they're trying to do sounds impossible and overcomplicates what should be an easy, instance-based process.
(DIR) Post #A6FMAtfq0u0uXVMvzs by kireicake@neckbeard.xyz
2021-04-14T19:26:16.052340Z
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@selea @stux That's your fault. Swedish is a racist language because it doesn't censor words that are offensive in English. Therefore, you must be punished by being removed from the conversation.
(DIR) Post #A6FMM0bOauqtDFacEK by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T19:28:12Z
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@kireicake @selea same as you right now lol
(DIR) Post #A6FMRY6nRgm4Zxv2IK by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T19:29:12Z
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@kireicake indeed, with so much ‘reasons’ that don’t make any sense
(DIR) Post #A6FNbJNHBKTTjQqW9o by kireicake@neckbeard.xyz
2021-04-14T19:42:14.855763Z
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@stux @selea Huh? That was sarcasm if it was unclear.
(DIR) Post #A6FNf526ReZoPWjuds by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T19:42:51Z
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@kireicake @selea that was not clear to me no :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A6FNiw1JtaxZcJDA6S by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T19:43:33Z
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@kireicake @selea That makes the "load" very different, sorry :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A6FNt4URGDOmmTfHg8 by kireicake@neckbeard.xyz
2021-04-14T19:45:27.193726Z
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@stux @selea np. I should have marked it with an "/s". Single posts don't really convey a lot of context.
(DIR) Post #A6FO0q86XFvgYmvFmi by kireicake@neckbeard.xyz
2021-04-14T19:46:51.777301Z
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@stux @selea That might explain this, too. LOL.2021-04-14 15.46.13 neckbeard.xyz 559608213394.jpg
(DIR) Post #A6FPKeYjMcvCQ8O8SO by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T20:01:33Z
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@kireicake For me it was the dots and lack of emoji that made it ‘serious’ and that would make it a completely different post :ablobwink:
(DIR) Post #A6FVxI5dRBXBkgaOq8 by unixphilosophy@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T21:15:47Z
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@stux that sounds very annoying
(DIR) Post #A6FW0SEGCGtS4C83Um by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T21:16:21Z
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@unixphilosophy And certainly not what we stand for 😮
(DIR) Post #A6FbRDiIlxrOdZlMYK by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:16:57Z
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@selea Can you please give examples of Swedish words that get blocked? We will fix those, and we plan to implement language tagging, then there will be separate slur filters for each language.@stux
(DIR) Post #A6FbSgylRw6DgzAILY by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:17:29Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Or just an extra admin option... :mortyderp:
(DIR) Post #A6FbbxpQApHSYWDS76 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:19:10Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Perhaps maybe even an 'external' DB where more people can add/approve certain words etc
(DIR) Post #A6Fc2VXxQrKsf0hkPo by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:23:57Z
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@stux Could you open an issue explaining how you would like the slur filter to work? The main goal for us is to prevent fascists from using Lemmy and spreading their hate. The slur filter has proven effective for that so far. So if we allow admins to completely disable the slur filter, we need another way to keep fascists out. But we are certainly open for new ideas.@selea
(DIR) Post #A6Fc8zeaPNV1lytiYi by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T22:23:17.566261Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux It doesn't matter if you plan to if you didn't wait to implement it before fucking non-English speakers over. You guys have a lot of work ahead of you if you want to fix every language in existence ever. Unless you don't, in which case changing the language might be a good workaround for the filter 😊
(DIR) Post #A6FcKCPNKLHyW47sq8 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:27:09Z
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@LemmyDev @selea I think I can scramble something together :ablobwink: But my main choice would still be the optional like Mastodon, Pleroma etc, etc. You see, the main block functions(instance wide) works great and there will always be 'a few' who use it for nasty purposes and we can ban them out😄 (Gab for example)If people rlly want they could remove the REGEX part and still spread hateful content, or replace letters with numbers etc etc😉Personally I dont think THIS is the right solution
(DIR) Post #A6FcV6hqrpjg17yBUW by IRLStreamer@poa.st
2021-04-14T22:29:12.340605Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux Mastodon trannies discover the Scunthorpe problem
(DIR) Post #A6FcYvy0joTzrsLw5A by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:29:48Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Btw, I get the part about trying to take away the "easy part for mis-use" But I'm afraid it ends up the other way if you know what I mean :ablobwink: "Who" decides what's "good" and "bad" those concepts get real fuzzy quite fast! Also context does matter soo much! Especially in Lemmy I think with the topics and way of discussion :) A platform ALWAYS needs good moderators to be a friendly place, not robots or code for that matter, those are just the tools
(DIR) Post #A6FckGG1de0bz2BEci by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:31:51Z
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@stux And our preference is to keep fascists out, for us thats more important than what some admins and users want. Sure Lemmy can be forked, but so far the mere existence of the slur filter makes that a lot of right-wingers dont try Lemmy. Meaning less moderation work for us. Sure they can fork it, but thats extra work for them. And like I said, good alternatives are definitely welcome.@selea
(DIR) Post #A6FcmnQPIGbFQhFF6O by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:32:20Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Me again :blobcatgiggle: Just wanna add a little example:mstdn.social is quite big these days and I still moderate every single hashtag by hand💪 For one to make it look better with capitals etc and second to 'filter out' the nasty stuff that does not fit without our CoC (very general)
(DIR) Post #A6Fd1oGgRP0QO8r7hY by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:35:01Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Got it :ablobwink: If that works out for you it's okay I guess :blobcatgiggle: But I am out sorryRunning a social media platform requires lots of work and attention and I think the user should ALWAYS come on the first no matter the work :blobcatgiggle: Else just don't start a social platform but just a game haha😇 But ill think about something 💪
(DIR) Post #A6Fd50XBIBqnIe65uC by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:35:36Z
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@stux Another problem is that we have almost no moderation tools, especially not for federation. So the slur filter also helps as a crutch until we improve the mod tools (that will be our priority over the next year).@selea
(DIR) Post #A6FdM9OPbrS5hHAbJo by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:38:42Z
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@stux Its really easy, the Lemmy community decides (on Github, Lemmy.ml and Matrix). From the comments I have seen on Lemmy, everyone is happy with the slur filters after trying it for some time. The only complaints are on Reddit and Mastodon, apparently by people who dont even use Lemmy (or havent used it much). Of course we are going to listen to our own community, not to other communities. If someone prefers Reddit or Mastodon over Lemmy, I'm happy for them.@selea
(DIR) Post #A6FdWLAmfM4f81edou by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:40:33Z
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@stux Its your choice, though personally I'll be on the lookout for your third Lemmy instance 😜 @selea
(DIR) Post #A6FddlaCs9jZ455RJI by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:41:52Z
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@LemmyDev @selea I'll keep my eye out on the repo for sure :ablobwink: We'll see what happens in the future! Good luck with the project 💪 :lemmy:
(DIR) Post #A6FdgmRq739YcHbtjM by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T22:40:36.364969Z
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@LemmyDev @stux @selea The people who are complaining are people who are turned off. You're basically just saying "hey look at this echochamber!" as proof that other people's opinions don't matter. These are potential users you're pushing away for incorrect reasons.
(DIR) Post #A6Fe18FOlz3m19UmY4 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:46:06Z
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@LemmyDev @selea I totally get that, and it's not an attack my friend :cathug: Why not take feedback from all? The more input the bigger the platform can get the more people leave horrible platforms like TW, FB etc :ablobwink: I always think, we're all in this together why not make it better also together I'm not saying you only should listen to Mastodon or Reddit but there's also an inbetween 💪
(DIR) Post #A6Fe6sHV30GmElDUFU by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T22:45:19.223239Z
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@LemmyDev @stux @selea you're not stopping fascists by banning "nigger" or whatever. They have more creative and subtle ways of being bigoted. The filter only fucks people trying to follow the rules over. Maybe you *might* be turning off nazis, but you're also turning off anyone who isn't of your exact mindset, speak another language, or other minorities. You're trading accessibility to aformentioned people for a weak filter that does nothing to stop bigots or trolls. I think making a space intentionally exclusive and unwelcoming to certain people like that is just silly.
(DIR) Post #A6FeAkX3nfJvMWLIp6 by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:47:51Z
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@stux Its all good. I am here taking feedback right now, but not everything that gets requested we will do. And I just explained why we wont get rid of the slur filter.@selea
(DIR) Post #A6FeHyRCUwpKW52wt6 by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:49:09Z
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@LemmyDev @selea All good! :blobcathearts: And I respect that, I mean it's your project with your hard work so at the end of the day you decide :blobcatgiggle: Other can find whatever they want but attacking it never an option I think :cat_hug_triangle:
(DIR) Post #A6FeRAiGEF9pC3PccC by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:46:42Z
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@welt Its totally fine if some people dont want to use Lemmy. Not everyone will like it, for different reasons. The important thing is that there are some other people who like to use Lemmy.@selea @stux
(DIR) Post #A6FeRB6ilIiuPur9k0 by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T22:48:59.180888Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux Then enjoy your little club with exclusively english speaking people. Because that's really in the sprit of the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #A6Fef1WbBdEQkdYwCG by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:53:19Z
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@stux Exactly, and I'm happy to discuss this with you if it helps us to better understand each others views and opinions. Nice talking to you 😀 @selea
(DIR) Post #A6Fehx6g4Mdduwpo3s by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T22:53:51Z
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@LemmyDev @selea Same! Thanks! :blobcathearts:
(DIR) Post #A6Ff4KjctuvPZOizpo by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T22:54:12Z
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@welt Please open an issue with the Swedish words that get blocked.@selea @stux
(DIR) Post #A6Ff4LAvGQl8w3UnNg by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T22:56:03.427806Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux I don't speak Swedish, it was just an example that I pulled from another user in this thread. You should ask them, although it seems like quite a few get caught as they mentioned.
(DIR) Post #A6Ff9f5ge6eS9NaH2G by eris@disqordia.space
2021-04-14T22:58:56.705947Z
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@selea @stux out of curiousity why not just set up an instance on lenny? (lemmy fork without the filter)
(DIR) Post #A6FfJu4vmCLvWv78W8 by IRLStreamer@poa.st
2021-04-14T23:00:47.777082Z
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@welt @LemmyDev @selea @stux like Hungarians under Soviet occupation, or prisoners under guard, we will always find a wayLook at this
(DIR) Post #A6FfQl4bejcXczENW4 by IRLStreamer@poa.st
2021-04-14T23:02:02.113275Z
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@welt @LemmyDev @selea @stux does your word filter catch this
(DIR) Post #A6FfUx7mn8eSA8iaZM by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T23:01:24Z
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@welt So which languages do you speak?@selea @stux
(DIR) Post #A6FfUxaV4NcVbC9WKG by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T23:00:52.487524Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux English, and a bit of French (as in not very well)
(DIR) Post #A6FfuYFRu6kUXTVcLQ by inb4dox@goyim.app
2021-04-14T23:04:16.036260Z
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@stux @LemmyDev @selea "quite big"
(DIR) Post #A6FfuYpFkzOAKWGD9U by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T23:07:20Z
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@inb4dox @LemmyDev @selea Okay not super big but maybe big-ish? :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A6Fg9xGt9OLQUUWkfw by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-14T23:10:07Z
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@inb4dox @LemmyDev @selea It's still 22732 x 40= 909 280 hashtags though :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #A6FgMIcHcF0YANQ8jQ by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T23:10:15Z
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@welt and you want to tell us how to support different languages? 🤔 @selea @stux
(DIR) Post #A6FgMJ3E04YhVw1ej2 by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T23:10:30.819722Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux Now that's a bad faith argument. There are people in your issues and in this very thread complaining about it who speak other languages. I'm advocating for them. It's like saying "you aren't in prison? so who are you to tell us that we should reform the system?"
(DIR) Post #A6Fi3J5noykU37IdYe by LemmyDev@mastodon.social
2021-04-14T23:21:26Z
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@welt No, you are suggesting that Alan Turing ask a mediocre highschool student to explain how math works. Someone who only speaks one language doesnt understand how different languages work.@selea @stux
(DIR) Post #A6Fi3JUcKib9I4uSEi by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-14T23:29:29.239224Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux I don't need to be a language expert to understand that doing a dumb regex on text might cause problems, especially when there has been people who speak in those languages bringing these issues up. Math and language are fundamentally different things and a false equivalancy. I don't need to know Spanish to know that, let's say, "negro" has very different meanings from my language to theirs. This really comes off as you sidestepping what I mentioned was about. Why aren't you addressing why the people in this thread who are incorrect and why I'm mislead? I don't see how I am.
(DIR) Post #A6Fkt5sAPwpw0zk8xs by robby@zoinks.one
2021-04-15T00:02:50.166114Z
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@LemmyDev @welt Someone who only speaks one language doesn’t understand how different languages work.That’s simply not true. Being monolingual doesn’t mean you’ve never been exposed to any other languages.
(DIR) Post #A6Fl5yXYzS6j2TFTHM by welt@pl.spiderden.net
2021-04-15T00:03:35.555777Z
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@robby @LemmyDev You know, using the line of reasoning they are here, couldn't I say the exact same thing to them? If they don't know every language it might affect, I could argue that "well, you don't know LanguageX, so therefore you must assume that the qualified people are right."
(DIR) Post #A6FsBdZAaFDHPCe9mS by tn5421@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-04-15T01:24:57.916097Z
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@stux can it not be forked?
(DIR) Post #A6FtcmXVQgvf0ZNN1k by sjb@mstdn.io
2021-04-15T01:40:59Z
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@stux In lemmy/crates/utils/src/utils.rs you can find a string called SLUR_REGEX, it's like the master swear word that contains all other swear words...
(DIR) Post #A6GIu2Ra32u26zvhMu by publicvoit@graz.social
2021-04-15T06:24:14Z
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@stux This happens when you try to solve a social problem with technology. 😒
(DIR) Post #A6GZlm9cQYx4UiAqrg by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-04-15T01:36:20Z
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@LemmyDev @selea @stux you can find the common ones yourself by running your regular expression against the list from the wswedish package (and corresponding for any other language using Latin script that you'd like to support).Those are not exhaustive dictionaries but and might miss words in common use in subcultures, some compound words like the ones just exemplified from Danish in another comment, and so on, but it would be a start.
(DIR) Post #A6GZlmdkcX3S0AGupc by loke@functional.cafe
2021-04-15T02:21:15Z
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@bkhl @LemmyDev @selea @stux the Scandinavian languages, as well as German and I believe Dutch don't put spaces between compound words, so what in English would be "food store entrance" would be matbutiksentré in Swedish.Now of course this word will never be found in any dictionary, because you have an almost unlimited mix if letters that can occur in a single word.I don't have your list of words in front of me, but I'm sure that I'd be able to come with serval examples of compound words that will end up with one of the banned words in the middle. This is why you're hearing so much complaining about this from people speaking germanic languages. What in English is a rare and sometimes funny occurrence of misclassification, because hunt for that sequence of the letters that is banned in the middle of a perfectly normal word. And if your knowledge of colloquial English isn't great, you'll never understand what's going on and it may be a complete mystery why your message was blocked.I fully understand the reasoning behind this design decision, and I know I'm not going to convince you that the approach isn't great. But I do hope that you'll consider the possibility that the reason users are not complaining much is because you have a self-selected group of people users from whom you collect those opinions. The people on the site are going to be the people who don't have a problem with it. I did run a Lemmy instance for the last while. I wanted it to be around Lisp development. It wasn't very active and I shut it down until such time that federation works. Now I'll probably wait until this drama has played out. I probably wouldn't suffer that much from this give the fact that it's in English and the topics are very non-controversial. However, the hassle to modify the code in case a problem does show up is enough to make want to wait until a better solution is available. I don't expect you to change your minds on this just because of my opinion. It'd be rude of me to tell you how to run your project, but I just wanted to share my view. Besides this message is so long that it probably won't be read in any case. 😁
(DIR) Post #A6GZln9IjEI9a1270a by loke@functional.cafe
2021-04-15T02:36:41Z
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@bkhl @LemmyDev @selea @stux thinking about my previous reply made me remember the evolution of word processors in Sweden. Those of us that are old to remember when they arrived will recall just how useless the spell checkers where. Initially they were all based on word lists, which works fine in English, which was the native language of most developers of word processors. When they translated the software to Swedish, and added the Swedish dictionary it just didn't work. You had red squiggles everywhere.Spell check didn't become useful for Swedish until they came with a complete language model. This is the opposite of the problem of lists of banned words, but the general principle is the same.I think when a lot of us see attempts at creating these lists, we see the problems of spell checkers all over again, and that is why we feel concerned about such solutions.
(DIR) Post #A6GZlndmtsg76ZISWm by bkhl@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-04-15T02:47:30Z
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@loke @LemmyDev @selea @stux because of this conversation I started looking into Finnish slurs again. Now, this isn't that, but this is still very funny: http://www.rsdb.org/race/finnishSome idiot is going around telling people that we use the word "finne" as a slur.
(DIR) Post #A6GZlo6r9nvkYitfpw by stux@mstdn.social
2021-04-15T09:33:11Z
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@bkhl @loke @LemmyDev @selea Haha i wanna be an ‘Ice Monkey’ :bloblaugh: briljant
(DIR) Post #A760Q0XEn2xjIX2CYK by bojkotiMalbona@infosec.exchange
2021-05-10T01:44:11Z
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@tn5421 @stux It has been forked, to "#Lenny".
(DIR) Post #AFH5PhWjldad8g4b8y by Nyla_Smokeyface@tech.lgbt
2022-01-09T20:14:53Z
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@stux Not sure if you're aware but I read through the GitHub issue you linked and it seems like they've finally decided to add this as of July 30, 2021. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1481I mean you obviously don't have to host it again if you don't want to, just thought you should know.