Post A61MSCDVbVKel9vbEW by avalos@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #A60rCxNXOPgjohs93Y by makeworld@sunbeam.city
2021-04-07T19:32:08Z
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https://drewdevault.com/2021/04/07/The-next-chat-app.htmlDrew DeVault has some correct criticisms of Matrix. Although I haven't run a server myself directly, I've been in close contact with people who have, and I know what a task it is.However, DD seems to think this disqualifies Matrix all together. I'd like to think that it can overcome these difficulties, maybe with upcoming implementations like Dendrite.
(DIR) Post #A60rPXDDzQtwQb2vGy by aetios@kawen.space
2021-04-07T19:34:45.397650Z
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@makeworld dd has a big mouth and is full of himself
(DIR) Post #A60sFNRtXEL3Cod1M0 by makeworld@sunbeam.city
2021-04-07T19:42:54Z
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@tost oh yikes. I thought it had active development.
(DIR) Post #A60tIOzGN9BCncF5VY by rain@melonbread.dev
2021-04-07T19:56:35.527597Z
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@makeworld I have deployed 3 different #Matrix servers all different ways (Standard installation (on Debian), Yunohost, & Ansible Playbook (docker) all for various purposes. While each way had it its own quirks to get set up (Ansible playbook being the best way to go IMO) maintaining them is little to no effort. The performance of Synapse ("flagship" #Python Matrix server) is only a major issue when federating large number of federated rooms on lower end hardware (Raspberry Pi, $5 VPS' and so on) and you only notice the hitches when joining those rooms and your server busting ass to catch up. Shoot if you just want a non federated server for internal chat meant a for a select group it runs smooth on most hardware. Matrix.org is trash many servers have found other places to host their channels and just provide a Alias to matirx.org. Overall is it perfect.... no, but is it improving...yes! Also if all you want is chat and nothing else fancy there are a couple client that support the encryption stuff on mobile and desktop that are not based on Element if a "modern" chat client is not your cup of tea.
(DIR) Post #A60wozsp1pz0MMSob2 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-04-07T20:34:18Z
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@makeworld It's hard to take seriously someone who says "compelling alternative to IRC" in 2021. Literally anything is better than a protocol that requires users to stay online 24/7 to not miss discussions.
(DIR) Post #A60wp0MxDo5NroYsYy by allison@blob.cat
2021-04-07T20:36:05.399930Z
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@be @makeworld but ephemerality is a *feature* /s
(DIR) Post #A61IFCgk8jeidn9SAy by adam@hax0rbana.social
2021-04-08T00:36:07Z
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@makeworld I run a Matrix server and have no problem keeping it up and running.It's a small server, so maybe if you have tens of thousands of users it performs poorly? As for poor client performance, again, I've seen no evidence.Confusing UI? Neither I nor any of my users have had any problems. Don't know what they're on about.I tried Dendrite first and almost abandoned Matrix because of it. It was a nightmare. After I switched to Synapse, all the problems went away.
(DIR) Post #A61MSBNOjFeG9XXz0a by avalos@cybre.space
2021-04-07T20:54:24Z
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@makeworld The biggest problem with Matrix is the huge and rapidly changing API, as well as a lot of bad design decisions (e.g. JSON/HTTP polling) that would take creating a different protocol to solve. Dendrite does not really solve any problem, it rather makes the existing ones less noticeable. Being written in Go means a lot more performance, efficiency and reliability (to the point where it can run in your phone or web browser); but complexity and bad protocol design decisions are still there.
(DIR) Post #A61MSBnz8OupTzzDRw by waweic@chaos.social
2021-04-07T21:42:07Z
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@avalos @makeworld Matrix *already is* the different protocol. And totally needlessly aswell. There is no technical reason why they couldn't simply have gone with XMPP
(DIR) Post #A61MSCDVbVKel9vbEW by avalos@cybre.space
2021-04-07T21:44:37Z
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@waweic @makeworld True, XMPP is probably a better choice. The XMPP ecosystem needs to grow and evolve. OMEMO needs to be fully standardized.
(DIR) Post #A61MSCe60ebE5cMpfs by waweic@chaos.social
2021-04-07T21:46:14Z
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@avalos @makeworld It basically just needs some funding. That's the single reason why Matrix is proliferating. The protocol isn't better, it's arguably worse in many aspects. But Matrix.org got the money
(DIR) Post #A61MSD52OU9NRAyLfU by avalos@cybre.space
2021-04-07T21:48:57Z
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@waweic @makeworld Actually, XMPP is still one of the most used chat protocols, but users are not aware because Big Tech doesn't bother talking about it.
(DIR) Post #A63n4jh8ZJAEiZkCjg by jrmu@freespeechextremist.com
2021-04-09T05:29:25.052556Z
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@be @makeworld IRC is the only protocol that can be run and written by the user community. It's the only one not controlled by Silicon Valley corps or investors itself. Sure, it has a simple protocol, so we just add features on top. Here's our effort to improve IRC: https://ircnow.org