Post A5qHYIENWIqMdirbFI by fazzah@fosstodon.org
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 (DIR) Post #A5qHYIENWIqMdirbFI by fazzah@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:19:04Z
       
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       @be @joerebelloharley is there any software that fits into your ideals of cooperative technology right now? mastodon for example?
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYIdY0iybtmdhTc by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:23:01Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley I think most FOSS projects are already cooperative. The exceptions would be big corporate dominated ones like Android, or open core/proprietary relicensing bullshit like GitLab and MongoDB (even before the switch to their nonfree license, they were predatory). https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2020/jan/06/copyleft-equality/
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYJ3mRBxbD8ueMi by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:24:41Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley Any project with a dictator is (arguably) not cooperative. Notable examples would be Linux and Ubuntu.
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYJUip1VkYhWAMK by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:29:33Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley I suspect Linux is closer to being cooperative than Ubuntu despite Torvalds' reputation for being hostile. Has Linus imposed his way against consensus or a significant minority of the Linux kernel community? Shuttleworth sure has defied community outcry over his decisions: https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1182
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYJuxFUUjs3n7FQ by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:49:58Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley Also consider Ubuntu's repeated efforts to do things their own way instead of cooperating with other Linux distros, for example Mir and Snap. Snap is especially anticooperative IMO because they're trying to build a cross-distro package manager while everyone else is working on a competing solution (Flatpak).
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYKLtdK2tDcOdF2 by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:55:05Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley Oh yeah and the Snap repository server isn't even open source 🙃 Fuck Canonical. I'm glad the rest of the Linux world is rejecting their power grab with Snap. It would be horrible if the major new way of packaging applications for Linux required using Canonical's proprietary server.
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYKiwFeTeN5B29o by peter@babic.dev
       2021-04-02T17:06:25.951364Z
       
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       @be @fazzah @joerebelloharley there's also appimage
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qHYLwRiusO9GVKqm by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T16:31:16Z
       
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       @fazzah @joerebelloharley To be clear, I think it's fine for a small project to have one person making the ultimate decisions. But once more people start contributing regularly, they should share in the governance.
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qKHiVEt7cj3nXNqa by be@fosstodon.org
       2021-04-02T17:08:34Z
       
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       @peter @fazzah @joerebelloharley Yeah. My understanding is that AppImage is a simpler format whereas Flatpak has batteries included such as sandboxing. I do like that AppImage doesn't require any runtime, but that will be a non-issue with distros installing Flatpak by default (though again, I doubt Ubuntu ever will, or if they do, it will be years later after Snap has clearly become irrelevant).
       
 (DIR) Post #A5qKHiwXFdSSQSJBOS by peter@babic.dev
       2021-04-02T17:37:04.071180Z
       
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       @be @fazzah @joerebelloharley I like your insight on the topic. I know al these approaches existed for some time now, but I have not even gotten into the situation to even consider using them as opposed to using the OS default package manager.How ofthen do you need to use snap/flatpak/appimage during the month usually?