Post A5mMsBK2HCPOPam3O4 by posrev@counter.fedi.live
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(DIR) Post #A5mH2GShQFTfWVFd4q by fazzah@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T18:40:26Z
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"We believe we need to build on the FOSS movement with an explicitly anticapitalist political movement which proactively collaborates with other movements for justice." https://communalsoftware.codeberg.page
(DIR) Post #A5mLhtJMHmjzhZzE4e by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:34:06.256744Z
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@fazzah @wizzwizz4| the surprise, undemocratic reinstatement of Richard StallmanSure, maybe. But after the fact, the support letter got more signatures, so is it really undemocratic at this point?Anyway it's kind of par for the course for organisations to be run undemocratically, isn't it? I'm not saying that's a good thing, just that the FSF is not worse than average in that respect.(Haven't read the rest of the article yet. Will do so after dinner.)
(DIR) Post #A5mM0qvbN2UpoRurJY by fazzah@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T19:36:50Z
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@Hyolobrika @wizzwizz4 organization fighting for freedom needs to WAY BETTER than average.
(DIR) Post #A5mMKu4ROd8TLobyAC by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T19:41:11Z
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@Hyolobrika @fazzah The people who Richard Stallman has already pushed away from the movement have not voted.When there's a public petition against the cultural status quo, and only ¾ as many people have signed it v.s. those who support the status quo, and the *status quo is self-reinforcing*, there's probably a lot of harm in the status quo.I don't agree with much of the letter, so I didn't sign it. But I support the re-removal of Richard Stallman.
(DIR) Post #A5mMpuNMJOHrH4FDUW by posrev@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:46:48.047308Z
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@Hyolobrika | the surprise, undemocratic reinstatement of Richard StallmanSure, maybe.What is undemocratic in reinstalling Richard Stallman?@fazzah @wizzwizz4
(DIR) Post #A5mMsBK2HCPOPam3O4 by posrev@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:47:13.026436Z
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@Hyolobrika | the surprise, undemocratic reinstatement of Richard StallmanSure, maybe.What is undemocratic about reinstalling Richard Stallman?@fazzah @wizzwizz4
(DIR) Post #A5mN5de4Hbys1EYpOq by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T19:49:38Z
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@posrev @Hyolobrika @fazzah There's a small, unelected group of people who authorised the reinstatement. (That group may have included Richard Stallman; it's sufficiently secretive that I don't know.)But whether it's democratic is entirely besides the point, imo. “Is it a good thing?” is the question we should be asking.
(DIR) Post #A5mNYZM1JfVX6lukL2 by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:54:51.485172Z
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@posrev @Hyolobrika @fazzah @wizzwizz4 I'm guessing it'd be that the majority of the members didn't have the power to vote on the issue?
(DIR) Post #A5mNnEEK8aSlw8Iw2i by posrev@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:57:31.399878Z
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@wizzwizz4 I don’t see a problem. He on the board not the presidend of @fsf. @rms says some questionable things at times. That is not a reason to cancel him out. If it was’nt for rms we would’nt have GNU/Linux and open source software.@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mNpjQl6bVZHaJYRc by posrev@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T19:57:58.692008Z
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@wizzwizz4 I don’t see a problem. He’s on the board not the president of @fsf. @rms says some questionable things at times. That is not a reason to cancel him out. If it was’nt for rms we would’nt have GNU/Linux and open source software.@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mO5Rc77FKCer7NMu by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:00:47Z
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@posrev @Hyolobrika @fazzah That's also not the reason that I have objections to his leadership.• People should be judged on the present, not the past.• Leadership roles are not a privilege you deserve; they're a responsibility.And Richard Stallman is not a good leader, however much I appreciate him as a person. He's pushed so many people away that I reckon his contribution to the free software movement since the 90s has been net-negative.
(DIR) Post #A5mODGixUFyjCX3Bs8 by hector@explosion.party
2021-03-31T20:02:12.120751Z
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@fazzah well that was fast. Flaky leftists gonna flake.> After further discussion, it has been agreed to use the term "cooperative technology" instead of "communal software" and the essay has been moved.
(DIR) Post #A5mOS6quTKzEvbqWzg by posrev@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T20:04:54.646711Z
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@wizzwizz4 He is being given another chance. Everyone makes mistakes. He has’nt broken the law. He said some questionable things and he admitted that. The cancel culture looks like a hate campaign.@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mPcOJCWb9HuyXti4 by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T20:17:56.743848Z
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@wizzwizz4 @fazzah> The people who Richard Stallman has already pushed away from the movementWhere is the evidence that they exist?>have not voted.Assuming that's true, they could have if they wanted to. We shouldn't make decisions based on what we think people want but rather, what they say they want. If they don't make their voices heard, that's their problem; nothing can be done about that.> When there's a public petition ... [paragraph snipped]I'm not sure I get your reasoning here. It look like a non-sequiter. Are you saying that we shouldn't care what the majority think?
(DIR) Post #A5mPkUqY6K6UVm0cNs by PestToast@paypig.org
2021-03-31T20:19:26Z
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@wizzwizz4 You think Stallman is the status quo?@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mQ3JLj4TrKM7YyrQ by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:22:49Z
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@Hyolobrika @fazzah > Where is the evidence that they exist?Their testimony, and the testimony of their friends. I take it you haven't read https://hartmans.livejournal.com/100652.html? (Which came out after I already knew this; it's just in my clipboard.)> Assuming that's true, they could have if they wanted to.Not if they didn't know about it, or had been pushed into apathy.> [snipped]Those who *publicly* declare things are a skewed sample of any population.
(DIR) Post #A5mQ5vcfk7fjdajnlY by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:23:18Z
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@PestToast @Hyolobrika @fazzah Within parts of the free software movement (like GNU and the FSF), yes.
(DIR) Post #A5mQF0EhxY1mYIr74q by PestToast@paypig.org
2021-03-31T20:24:56Z
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@wizzwizz4 >within partsyea, you're really speaking truth to power here...Do you actually believe the bullshit you say, or is this all tactics to serve a goal? Be honest.@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mQcc6rJTdGfuRW64 by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:29:12Z
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@PestToast @Hyolobrika @fazzah It's all tactics to serve a goal. That goal is to promote Richard Stallman's free software ideals, and make things better for people in the ways he (claims he) wants to.Unless he actually tries to improve his treatment of others (note: nothing about what he's written online), him being *in a leadership position* is not compatible with that.I'd like him still to be involved. He can still contribute, if he chooses. But not as a leader.
(DIR) Post #A5mQq61nOAJpEIVHGq by PestToast@paypig.org
2021-03-31T20:31:38Z
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@wizzwizz4 Why not start a new organization that isn't muddied by the horrible stigma of RMS? Why do you need to oust this man from his own organization? Why is that so important to you?@Hyolobrika @fazzah
(DIR) Post #A5mQsU6sp6KMUw1QkS by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:32:05Z
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@PestToast @Hyolobrika @fazzah Sentimentality.Though the @conservancy seems to be that organisation.
(DIR) Post #A5mRKpeIKs23PMAQG8 by PestToast@paypig.org
2021-03-31T20:37:11Z
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@wizzwizz4 >Sentimentality.a non-answer>Though the @conservancy seems to be that organisation.Then people should join that organization. Stop trying to steal the labor of RMS. He made FSF, he should get to keep it.@Hyolobrika @fazzah @conservancy
(DIR) Post #A5mRWxtBWalgRIuvs8 by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:39:23Z
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@PestToast @Hyolobrika @fazzah Okay, good plan. I'll do that.
(DIR) Post #A5mRdILQNuHDcP91JQ by PestToast@paypig.org
2021-03-31T20:40:32Z
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(DIR) Post #A5mSvNlf3mNbbYba1Q by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T20:54:59.093954Z
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@wizzwizz4 @fazzah> Their testimony, and the testimony of their friendsListening to long blogposts instead of polling stats favours views with the loudest adherents over those with the greater number of adherents.> Those who *publicly* declare things are a skewed sample of any population.It is not guaranteed not to be, true. But so is the sample of those who will respond to a survey (and that relies on trusting the survey operators not to fudge the numbers). Is the former sample any more skewed than the latter?
(DIR) Post #A5mT0v4eegNSLn85kO by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:56:00Z
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@Hyolobrika @fazzah I mean actual people I've actually talked to. The blog post is not my evidence. I have not done a survey.
(DIR) Post #A5mTCvp9gze49SbjWK by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-31T20:58:11.327963Z
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@wizzwizz4 @fazzahPeople you personally happen to have talked to are a skewed sample of any population.
(DIR) Post #A5mTKHzBh4cKucoBSy by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2021-03-31T20:59:30Z
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@Hyolobrika @fazzah And my claim is that the sample exists.