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(DIR) Post #A5gbbLIhnHq7tEs7v6 by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T00:28:35Z
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Regarding #RMS and the letter to remove him from all leadership positions, this makes several important points: https://www.arp242.net/rms.htmlBottom line, that I agree with: "being unfair is being unfair, no matter who the target may be".Anyone here who signed that letter who would consider explaining their thinking? Looking for someone who both read it and signed it, knowing what you were signing and who is still standing by the claims in the letter. Anyone?
(DIR) Post #A5gbbLiEGOFxAOoVhg by alexl@mstdn.io
2021-03-29T01:03:49Z
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@eliasr Reading this makes me think that Stallman is definitely autistic and I am baffled that it is not the first thing that comes to mind to those who know him in person: have they really never met an autistic person or seen a movie with an autistic character?All these complaints about inclusiveness and these people can't even recognize an autistic person.
(DIR) Post #A5hJ3CzoYn5eGqZOfA by hicks@mstdn.io
2021-03-29T09:10:38Z
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@alexl He is autistic and that's why I was half-shocked by his take on pedo but if we admit this condition, we must then revise other conditions which have been "normalized" eg: transgenderism .In all drama in FOSS, one part was either autistic or trans-gender and usually the mob are part the last one.Recognizing this fact is not about anti-, it helps to understand and not react too fast.@eliasr
(DIR) Post #A5hPZC8LtvPOaWCNrk by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T09:41:32Z
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@hicks @alexl > not react too fastThat, I think, is an increasingly important quality in the world today.It would be great if there was a way to make people think more before they react.For me it is hard to ignore the connection to the rise of surveillance capitalism in recent years. Things like Facebook making money by steering people's behavior towards many quick clicks, shortening the attention span more and more. It's getting worse, I wonder if we as a society can turn it around.
(DIR) Post #A5hPfK4FJfugvpCTDs by hicks@mstdn.io
2021-03-29T09:59:43Z
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@eliasr I agree but we can't put everything on Facebook's back.We are on Mastodon right now and the topic is about a FOSS figure (with a condition) being harshly attacked, still, debates don't seem to happen.I see well articulated posts from anti-cancelers (not even pro-rms) but no arguments from the instigators/supporter of #rms removal.I might havebeen blocked but then, it is indeed worrying as a freedom movement/platform. FOSS should be about respect, transparency and data!@alexl
(DIR) Post #A5hQTfrmXgyt1FNbEm by lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
2021-03-29T04:18:26Z
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@eliasr I'll try. I agree with Martin in this post until the letter is mentioned.I think that telling non-binary people how to use pronouns is awful although, I'd have to agree that is most likely RMS being very pedantic. It's possible that we are missing information because FSF Staff are under an NDA and the author of the claim tried to still express that with this quote. I imagine that frustration because it has been talked about privately may have also contributed to that.1/?
(DIR) Post #A5hQTgNKeODab68nPk by lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
2021-03-29T04:23:52Z
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@eliasr I believe that simply calling him "creepy" rather than misogynistic is wrong. From what I've read, RMS has enabled people who were harassing women in GCC to defend his person. He has also fought to keep an abortion joke in technical documentation. He has violated the safe space guidelines at LibrePlanet many times from what I can gather and has tried to hide rather than excuse himself for the behaviour. I do not think this can be attributed simply to "being creepy".2/?
(DIR) Post #A5hQTgm9A84Fq3kc5o by lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
2021-03-29T04:31:39Z
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@eliasr I do believe that RMS is ableist to some degree because of his Down syndrome post. He has not apologized for it, he edited it. This seems to me like a continuation of his lack of accountability.Worth mentioning that Stallman has made another post where he says he agrees with Richard Dawkins when he calls it immoral to not abort a fetus which has been tested for down syndrome. I believe that's close to eugenics and ableism.3/?
(DIR) Post #A5hQThBJeYCV67WiK8 by lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
2021-03-29T04:35:51Z
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@eliasr The post mentions that it may be unjust to call Stallman's thoughts as a "dangerous ideology" and I will disagree there too. Stallman's thoughts have enabled bad things and he has advocated for bad things. I do believe that the word choice is appropriate in that case. "brand of intolerance" I believe is also correct. RMS enabled people to fall to paradox of tolerance through inaction and enablement.
(DIR) Post #A5hQTha8AI3AL58X0C by lionirdeadman@fosstodon.org
2021-03-29T04:39:04Z
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@eliasr Overall, yes, the letter is harsh but it is that way because it is a last ditch effort. RMS will not go away if people try to be nuanced and try to justify his actions. It will just enable to continue the way he is because "he's not the devil".Those are my thoughts, feel free to ask for any sources. I avoided putting them to not make a million posts.5/5
(DIR) Post #A5hQTi0Mal29eRPTtI by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:10:34Z
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@lionirdeadman Thanks a lot for explaining, this helped my understand better.I will ask you about one particular point, please don't take that as dismissing the other things you wrote. I appreciate all your points but I want to ask about one particular thing, namely the issue of RMS fighting to keep an abortion joke in technical documentation.The reason is that I looked that one up myself the other day, and found it interesting. Let me explain.(to be continued)
(DIR) Post #A5hQTiRexGrt16BHRA by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:17:19Z
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@lionirdeadman The joke is in the documentation of the abort() function in glibc, it looks like this: (here I have taken a screenshot from page 709 in https://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/Manuals/glibc-2.2.3/pdf/libc.pdf)
(DIR) Post #A5hQTirXP3ZIJMHwm0 by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:18:19Z
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(DIR) Post #A5hQTjGLunPxYJtlS4 by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:33:42Z
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@lionirdeadman My understanding of that joke is that it makes fun of some proposed federal censorship regulations. The joke is defending the right to abort as well as the right to abort().It is basically saying: each person should have the right to make their own decisions both regarding their own computer, and regarding their own body.The fact that RMS is "pro choice" on the abortion issue can be looked up elsewhere I think, it is not surprising given that he usually defends freedom.
(DIR) Post #A5hQTjtLZobrVG8uES by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:38:44Z
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@lionirdeadman It is true that people have criticized RMS for his fighting to keep that joke in the manual. There can be reasons for criticism here, but really not for calling him "misogynist". On the contrary, valid criticism could be that he is making "pro life" supporters feel less inclined to use GNU software. RMS is effectively using his power as GNU chief to further his pro-choice opinion. Does that really contribute to you calling him a "misogynist"?
(DIR) Post #A5hQTkaaz1CjfONRdw by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:43:13Z
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@lionirdeadman Valid criticism based on the abortion joke could be, for example:- RMS is alienating people with strong "pro-life" opinions- RMS is making technical documentation messy by including irrelevant things like jokes in it- RMS is micromanaging GNU, he should have let the person responsible for the glibc manual make the decision without interferingOf the above, I think the most valid one is the third, about RMS doing misusing his leading position by into such details.
(DIR) Post #A5hQTlKgDg4FyJwFTU by eliasr@social.librem.one
2021-03-29T08:47:49Z
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@lionirdeadman Considering the points I just made about the abortion joke, will you concede that your criticism in that case was based on a misunderstanding? If not, please explain how that joke issue contributes to you calling RMS a "misogynist".Let me also ask if you, in calling RMS a misogynist, have considered the fact that he has consistently defended women's rights when it comes to the abortion issue? Many people consider that a pretty important issue.
(DIR) Post #A5jGdNamM0anxtsBoO by Mek101@mstdn.io
2021-03-30T07:45:12Z
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@hicks@alexl @eliasr He retracted his "pedo take" years ago
(DIR) Post #A5jGdO10mTZnHG98hU by alexl@mstdn.io
2021-03-30T07:53:07Z
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@Mek101 @hicks @eliasr It wasn't in the first instance, he meant between adults and sexually mature teenagers (14+ years at least). Then he changed his mind because someone explained to him that scientifically it is a psychologically harmful thing for the young ones.