Post A5fGKftDhPY2cwCblA by CosmaruCiorilor@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #A5eakPbvIdeceQr9gu by Godcast@poa.st
2021-03-28T01:44:53.961863Z
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Listening to an audiobook about the Greek Myths and all the shenanigans their gods go up to. Got me feelin like pic related.
(DIR) Post #A5edpNKFWSdasHeDwm by BassForte1@poa.st
2021-03-28T01:48:50.031120Z
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@Godcast greek gods: *turn into animals and have gay rape*edgy pseudo pagans: "we should abandon Christ and retvrn to based pantheon"
(DIR) Post #A5fCAZ4vlhDGn3bUjw by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T08:41:21.910559Z
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@Godcast Something I've always pondered since I studied historiography is how accurate a view we have of the contemporary views and beliefs of the pre-christian pagans. I.e, if our views of their pantheons are coloured by what's essentially bawdy tales and shitposts which doesn't have the religious significance we attribute to it due to a lack of context.Zeus in particular I think suffers from it, since (iirc) what I remember of the homeric hymns and what cultic rites associated with the guy seem like an entirely different being from the shapeshifting rapist he's elsewhere.Then again, one of the church fathers (I forget which) did also criticize contemporary pagans for pretending to be moral when they worshipped gods they all could agree would be immoral assholes.
(DIR) Post #A5fCAZZPwLbEJbrqG8 by Godcast@poa.st
2021-03-28T08:44:12.057324Z
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@Umlauts yeah, it's hard to really grasp what was going on
(DIR) Post #A5fCfG8GGBbf0SnWdM by Samhydeigger@poa.st
2021-03-28T08:49:44.932378Z
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@Godcast @Umlauts Chesterton actually writes really well about this in The Everlasting Man (imo the only required Chesterton non-fiction reading). He really admires the old Roman paganism and says that they weren't worshipped as gods as we understand 'worship' and 'gods' now but were rather an integral part of their day to day life, kinda like you'd rub a charm for good luck but instead praying to a certain god regarding that activity. So yeah it's not like they had a Mass day or whatever, and their holidays were more feasts a ruler would throw, iirc. Pre-Christian religions were very cool imo.I mean later he argues that as ancient paganism became more and more ritualized it became more and more "fake" but thats a tangent.
(DIR) Post #A5fD7U10ElcUAirRHU by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T08:54:16.161021Z
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@Samhydeigger @Godcast >Pre-Christian religions were very cool imo.I wouldn't even call them religions. But that's because the term religion itself is subject to a lot of academic autism because it derives from how christianity and its denominations have been defined and described.
(DIR) Post #A5fDHKfVqITW50VP72 by Samhydeigger@poa.st
2021-03-28T08:56:37.801804Z
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@Umlauts @Godcast Yeah how we understand religion is incredibly derived from our experience with Christianity and to a lesser extent Islam, which is based. Kabbalah Judaism is so secretive (and evil) no one outside autists and the Jews themselves get it.
(DIR) Post #A5fDpIjDYwmruMR6H2 by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:01:10.631798Z
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@Samhydeigger @Godcast >islam>based
(DIR) Post #A5fDpJ9RzPlrDii3A8 by Samhydeigger@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:02:45.865599Z
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@Umlauts @Godcast u know what i mean
(DIR) Post #A5fE36KgRjmZW9XasK by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:04:58.699139Z
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@Samhydeigger @Godcast I've read too much islamic scripture to stomach any possible implication that arabs-larping-as-jews cult is based.
(DIR) Post #A5fEFL6PMILcnfhPV2 by Samhydeigger@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:07:28.474211Z
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@Umlauts @Godcast I didn't mean Islam is based just the fact that we derive all of our knowledge of religion by comparing it to Christianity which is based. And the early medieval understanding of Islam was that it was a Christian heresy which I lowkey kinda believe... Mohammed was likely tutored by an Arian priest iirc
(DIR) Post #A5fEsj5o64rQUyCPb6 by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:14:02.759978Z
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@Samhydeigger @Godcast >And the early medieval understanding of Islam was that it was a Christian heresyI disagree with them only on the level that what shari'a law I've read and the various schools of interpretations it has reads exactly like Jews and how Jews twist and interpret laws to suit them. So I see it being more accurate in describe Islam as arabs larping as jews.
(DIR) Post #A5fEvYy6CBGry1wk1A by Samhydeigger@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:15:06.339760Z
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@Umlauts There were some nutty heresies early on so would make sense tbh
(DIR) Post #A5fFlU93NDhu4ApRVA by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:15:49.447953Z
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@Samhydeigger Nutty heresies haven't really stopped. Just look at progressive christians.
(DIR) Post #A5fFlUYZqK7jLKlpHk by Hartmann@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:24:29.231941Z
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@Umlauts @Samhydeigger I read an article arguing that Mohammed was illiterate and that the Quran was written primarily by Jewish scribes who occasionally inserted veiled insults towards Mohammed into the text. Also explains the strong parallels between Muslim and Jewish thought. I've been looking for it again but I haven't been able to find it
(DIR) Post #A5fG8nPJvGJST4YKyO by Umlauts@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:27:45.633125Z
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@Hartmann @Samhydeigger >Jewish scribes who occasionally inserted veiled insults towards Mohammed into the text.>all the references in the Hadiths to Muhammad spilling semen all over his clothes and Aisha having to clean it up all the timeWould make sense if a jew wrote it, but arabs are plenty filthy on their own.
(DIR) Post #A5fGKftDhPY2cwCblA by CosmaruCiorilor@poa.st
2021-03-28T09:30:17.610396Z
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@Umlauts @Hartmann @Samhydeigger This is the first thing that crossed my mindDon't muslims find that part about Muhammad wearing semen-stained clothing that Aisha has to clean suspicious?