Post A5Nax3Y1d6XYdTxpwG by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
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(DIR) Post #A5LDyGS4S5p7gUrlT6 by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T17:26:47.481Z
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20:30 or so >switch to gentoo for peak minimalismGentoo is ANYTHING but minimalist. A minimalist operating system would not have any development tools or headers and shit unless the purpose is to do development. Sure you can minimize what features are enabled for packages but that does not make the distro minimalist. Gentoo is very much a maximalist distribution.
(DIR) Post #A5LExHeyZgwH60zzIO by robby@zoinks.one
2021-03-18T17:39:33.887270Z
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@ttkk --depclean --with-bdeps=n
(DIR) Post #A5LGYB4q71YnLfFiIy by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T17:56:51.820Z
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>add everything and then remove things you don't needsmdhBet it doesn't even remove GCC.
(DIR) Post #A5LGxMTcrhuDwZr3A0 by robby@zoinks.one
2021-03-18T18:02:39.137750Z
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@ttkk https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LTSP#Decreasing_chroot_size"... you can even unmerge gcc this way"
(DIR) Post #A5LGxMqJVM3P4wTAWW by waltercool@pl.slash.cl
2021-03-18T18:03:32.687502Z
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@robby @ttkk You can, but it’s STRONGLY non suggested.
(DIR) Post #A5LHhKdm1bRXZMWOem by waltercool@pl.slash.cl
2021-03-18T18:11:53.364660Z
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@ttkk @robby Yeah, but this is mostly a problem about how Linux works, sadly.All Linux instances use GNU tools to work, and there is one pieces of software without any proper replacement: glibc (GNU libc).There are of course, alternatives to glibc like musl (ABI compatible), but you find ton of problems building other packages sadly.GLibc won’t build without GCC, they use the GNU standard of C, which isn’t 100% compatible on LLVM (Clang)
(DIR) Post #A5LHjIrTbstWdBs3xA by robby@zoinks.one
2021-03-18T18:06:00.419646Z
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@waltercool @ttkk Of course. I'm just saying its nonsense to call Gentoo either "minimalist" or "maximalist". It's exactly what you configure it to be; nothing more, nothing less. However some would consider that alone to be "minimalist".
(DIR) Post #A5LJFI6A5BwVU8YZKi by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T18:12:29.818Z
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@robby@zoinks.one @waltercool@pl.slash.clThese labels are only useful for describing the general usage of the distribution. You could start with Mint and one by one remove everything that isn't strictly necessary but people would not call it minimalist.Removing GCC is not suggested since the whole idea of the system is that you can compile and thus customize everything. Having compilers and other such unecessary tools on a machine is not minimalist though. Gentoo is minimalist similar to how Mint is minimalist.
(DIR) Post #A5LJcxFnEaJRmpLTW4 by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T18:18:54.736Z
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@robby@zoinks.one @waltercool@pl.slash.clI think you misunderstood what I mean with minimalism. Problem is not the GNU tools or their bloat. Problem is the at higher level than that. Replacing GCC with Clang or TCC is not going to fix that since none of those tools belong on a minimal install. To get to a minimal install you define the use case and add only the things absolutely necessary for that. Obviously GCC or some other compiler would be necessary in some use cases like a build server or a development machine but for most other cases it is unnecessary. I only picked GCC since that is very obvious example of lack of minimalism in Gentoo.
(DIR) Post #A5LJhH7ZJGyUYvYgu8 by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T18:20:59.503Z
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@robby@zoinks.one @waltercool@pl.slash.clI would like to add that most of the BSD suffer from the same issue since they insist on using ports.
(DIR) Post #A5LKHVRPXtNfOs7Fei by robby@zoinks.one
2021-03-18T18:38:48.463301Z
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@ttkk @waltercool df -h $(which gcc) on my Fedora system and my Arch system both report the size to be 1.2M. It is not unreasonable to spare 1.2M on a PC for such an essential tool (I bet @luke already has gcc installed). If you cannot spare that, Gentoo gives you the tools to work around storing gcc on your machine beyond initial setup.I have made my point, have a good day.
(DIR) Post #A5LKLi3Kb8CVflrCrI by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-18T18:40:38.202Z
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@robby@zoinks.one @waltercool@pl.slash.cl>thinks it about disk space>has made his pointsigh
(DIR) Post #A5N12WbrPQgVrr4Ay0 by glaucon@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-19T14:05:54.511Z
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@ttkk linux without a toolchain is just soy+linux.
(DIR) Post #A5NKdrCLirWXZ7eH2m by johnnysins@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-19T17:52:11.520Z
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@ttkk If gentoo isn't minimalist do you have any other alternatives that actually allow you to have less packages than gentoo???
(DIR) Post #A5Nax3Y1d6XYdTxpwG by ttkk@videos.lukesmith.xyz
2021-03-19T19:54:54.261Z
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@johnnysinsThere are plenty of distributions with less packages than gentoo.You could try buildroot or some other tool for creating embedded images. But even with these you don't get an absolutely minimal system by default.